Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[JayJuanGee]

You seem to be the arrogant one, LGD2Business.

This thread is not even about trading.
Specifically we are here talking about various BTC accumulation strategies, and sure maybe you are distracted by the title of "buying the dip," but still we have an investment focus in this thread.

Another thing.. sure you may well be correct that it is safer to trade bitcoin than shitcoins, yet it is hardly even a great topic, even if it were relevant to this thread - especially since whatever trading approaches that anyone chooses to employ has a lot of potential variability, to the extent that trading is not devolving into variations of degenerate gambling in the first place.

Looking at your forum registration date, yeah you have been registered on the forum for 10 years, so yeah, it is nice to interact with members who have experience, yet you still might be grappling with how investing into bitcoin differs from trading it, to the extent that you might want to try to stay topical in terms of this particular thread.. and yeah, there is nothing wrong with having differing ideas, yet it is going to be quite irritating if you are going to want to talk about trading, when the ways that you have been talking about bitcoin so far seems to be deviating from the focus of this thread.

If you have followed the topic and looked at the message where the main discussion started, you must have noticed that a few people are deliberately rephrasing words differently to steer the issue into an off-topic debate. New users trying to manipulate the topic in this way should not be allowed.
When you look at the entire message, you can see that when I mentioned trading Bitcoin, I was referring to buying from the dip. I wasn't talking about trading in the sense of constantly buying and selling. Therefore, in the context of the topic my message was a normal on-topic discussion. However, since these people are spammers who don't even understand what they read, they cut half of a sentence and started attacking based on that.

They are cutting only one sentence from my message and distorting it from its original meaning to manipulate the situation. I wonder what the real purpose is of those who create an uproar as if you said something you never actually said and then attack based on that. I guess they have no other concern than creating fake debates to fill their message quotas. If they earn a few merits in the process, it becomes even more profitable for them. I don't even think they have invested in Bitcoin at all.

Fair enough if you had not been intending to talk about trading.

I am not claiming to be able to identify the difference between genuine posters and those who might be merely making up facts and/or just spinning superficial ideas.

Inevitably in a thread like this there is going to be a lot of repetition, and it can sometimes take time for several of the newer members to find their groove in the thread and/or in the topic of bitcoin, including that once we have gained some experience, then we will have more likelihood to identify areas in which we agree and disagree with other members, and also sometimes even recognizing that we need to customize some of the general ideas to our own application in regards to our own particulars.

We might not even realize that we fucked up in some kind of way until it is too late to fix our mistakes -  which brings me back to the idea that if we are working on applying the various ideas about investing into bitcoin and strengthening our cashflow management practices, it may well take a whole cycle or more before we are really starting to get into a groove of having had experienced both bear and bull periods, even though surely even exact historical bitcoin price patterns are not guaranteed to repeat.

Even on the topic of shitcoining and trading, there may be guys  who choose to engage in those practices, and there surely are other threads in which they can bat around those kinds of ideas, and even in this thread we might end up touching  upon those kinds of topics because  some members continue to grapple with figuring out the difference, or even figuring out for themselves if there might  be some smaller level of exposure and/or experimentation that they might be able to do with with shitcoining and/or trading and to still keep themselves focused on bitcoin investing.. and surely I have frequently suggested to not allow any more than 10% of the size of the bitcoin investment to go into trading and/or shitcoining, yet each person has to figure out those kinds of boundaries for themselves...and of course, they are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their own choices, including if they might end up making mistakes.. and if the mistakes are not too large, then they can also learn to fight another day as compared with some folks who make mistakes that are so large that they are not able to completely recover from the level of their mistakes.

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I disagree with you, investing is not easy and if it was or if it is almost/everybody would have ventured into it, investing is not easy because one have to think through the advantage and disadvantage of it before one can venture into it and some people in the process of thinking they lose interest because they might think out some scenarios that may be difficult for they scale through because anything about investment, there is always a risk so is not easy and sustaining and investment for a long term is not easy too even though you know the strategy because there are stage one will reach, one will be so confused though sustaining an investment will be or. An be easy if you have the necessary things such as your discretionary, emergency fund and back up fund and most importantly you need to be discipline, determined and know how to manage your investment and sometimes even with all these some people still find out hard to sustain there investment you why? Because they are not disciplined and determined.

I doubt that investing is as difficult as you seem to be making  it out to be.   Most people already have the basis skills  to invest, which is that they instinctively figure ways to make sure that they are mostly spending less than they make and that they have a little bit of a cash cushion.  Sure some people are better at keeping a cash cushion than others, yet most people know the basic skills of making sure that they don't run out of money. 

With investing into bitcoin, it becomes important to attempt to maintain a larger cash cushion at all times so that there is never any need to tap into the bitcoin investment at a time that is not completely of the investor's choosing.  So it can become more complicated when the cashflows are erratic with the income being low and/or the expenses being high, yet these are not greatly difficult kinds of skills and practices to learn, including sometimes learning self-discipline, emotional control and delayed gratification - which are also frequently abilities that people already have, they just need to put them into practice in the event that they are not accustomed to doing that.

[Justbillywitt]

Don't you think that our level of aggressiveness should be directly proportional to our discretionary income and not as a result of a market conditions, there is no Market conditions that is not good enough for an aggressive buying, you can still Buy aggressively  even at the time of a peak price as a long term investor it has to do with the availability and the level of your discretionary income for investment.

To much excitement of this time can make lots of people to buy with the money to be use to sort out their basic needs after which they will start struggling to pay for basic needs.

Investors who are still able to buy Bitcoin more aggressively are those who do not use their basic needs money for that because they usually have it specifically and separately from their basic needs. However, if you have seen ordinary people who follow the footsteps of aggressive investors in buying Bitcoin and have sacrificed money for their basic needs, I think you need to guide them well enough so that they do not build the wrong steps even though they are for the right purpose of investing in Bitcoin in the long term.

What other guiding can we possibly give them other than what we are doing here. That's why I find this thread very interesting and very helpful, irrespective of the various attacks and criticisms it has faced from people who do not appreciate what we do here. The things such people needed for their investments journey and how to successfully hold their bitcoin has been laid down in this place. This is a place where bitcoin is discussed, where things to do and not to do are discussed. They should just put in the effort and read some few pages and they will get the insights on issues regarding when and when not to be aggressive. Ours is to come here and discuss the necessary issues that will help everyone who wants to apply them. It is left for them to appreciate it and put it into practice or neglect and face the consequences on the long run. There is no other guidance we can give them order than this. Because when they will be making their purchases in exchange none of us will be there but them alone.

[Agbamoni]

Rank does not signify that a particular user has the best of knowledge on everything in the forum. He may have higher rank but his knowledge on Bitcoin investment is limited. Also, the only reason i am against what he said is because we are meant to be discussing on how to accumulate more Bitcoin at this period not a plan to start trading a valuable asset like Bitcoin.

At the same time Zacks we cannot push someone to start what he may not be able to finish. That will be a financial mistake since everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their finance and take responsibility for every action they make. Let him make his choice if he wants to trade Bitcoin or not, but when discussing in this thread he should only talk about investing and not trading.

LOL did you seriously write this nonsense or are you just trolling? We will not allow noob members like you to mislead new investors. You can't go and tell people that trading altcoins is safer than trading Bitcoin. You can't fool people like that. People will come and blame you when they lose their money, but you will continue your life like you don't care? There is no place here for people like you who try to manipulate people.

Where do you come from? Excuse me, what do you mean by noob, trolling and misleading of new investors? You have eyes but you cannot see, i will leave you to take the time and read what i wrote here over and over again before you start accusing me of something i do not know what you are talking about.

I will not join you to turn this thread into "smack talk" . There are better things to be doing than join you ruin the conversation going on here.

You seem to be the arrogant one, LGD2Business.

This thread is not even about trading.
Specifically we are here talking about various BTC accumulation strategies, and sure maybe you are distracted by the title of "buying the dip," but still we have an investment focus in this thread.

Another thing.. sure you may well be correct that it is safer to trade bitcoin than shitcoins, yet it is hardly even a great topic, even if it were relevant to this thread - especially since whatever trading approaches that anyone chooses to employ has a lot of potential variability, to the extent that trading is not devolving into variations of degenerate gambling in the first place.

Looking at your forum registration date, yeah you have been registered on the forum for 10 years, so yeah, it is nice to interact with members who have experience, yet you still might be grappling with how investing into bitcoin differs from trading it, to the extent that you might want to try to stay topical in terms of this particular thread.. and yeah, there is nothing wrong with having differing ideas, yet it is going to be quite irritating if you are going to want to talk about trading, when the ways that you have been talking about bitcoin so far seems to be deviating from the focus of this thread.

If you have followed the topic and looked at the message where the main discussion started, you must have noticed that a few people are deliberately rephrasing words differently to steer the issue into an off-topic debate. New users trying to manipulate the topic in this way should not be allowed.
When you look at the entire message, you can see that when I mentioned trading Bitcoin, I was referring to buying from the dip. I wasn't talking about trading in the sense of constantly buying and selling. Therefore, in the context of the topic my message was a normal on-topic discussion. However, since these people are spammers who don't even understand what they read, they cut half of a sentence and started attacking based on that.

They are cutting only one sentence from my message and distorting it from its original meaning to manipulate the situation. I wonder what the real purpose is of those who create an uproar as if you said something you never actually said and then attack based on that. I guess they have no other concern than creating fake debates to fill their message quotas. If they earn a few merits in the process, it becomes even more profitable for them. I don't even think they have invested in Bitcoin at all.

Fair enough if you had not been intending to talk about trading.

I am not claiming to be able to identify the difference between genuine posters and those who might be merely making up facts and/or just spinning superficial ideas.

Inevitably in a thread like this there is going to be a lot of repetition, and it can sometimes take time for several of the newer members to find their groove in the thread and/or in the topic of bitcoin, including that once we have gained some experience, then we will have more likelihood to identify areas in which we agree and disagree with other members, and also sometimes even recognizing that we need to customize some of the general ideas to our own application in regards to our own particulars.

We might not even realize that we fucked up in some kind of way until it is too late to fix our mistakes -  which brings me back to the idea that if we are working on applying the various ideas about investing into bitcoin and strengthening our cashflow management practices, it may well take a whole cycle or more before we are really starting to get into a groove of having had experienced both bear and bull periods, even though surely even exact historical bitcoin price patterns are not guaranteed to repeat.

Even on the topic of shitcoining and trading, there may be guys  who choose to engage in those practices, and there surely are other threads in which they can bat around those kinds of ideas, and even in this thread we might end up touching  upon those kinds of topics because  some members continue to grapple with figuring out the difference, or even figuring out for themselves if there might  be some smaller level of exposure and/or experimentation that they might be able to do with with shitcoining and/or trading and to still keep themselves focused on bitcoin investing.. and surely I have frequently suggested to not allow any more than 10% of the size of the bitcoin investment to go into trading and/or shitcoining, yet each person has to figure out those kinds of boundaries for themselves...and of course, they are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their own choices, including if they might end up making mistakes.. and if the mistakes are not too large, then they can also learn to fight another day as compared with some folks who make mistakes that are so large that they are not able to completely recover from the level of their mistakes.

With due respect i might be ignoring this thread for a while because i will not allow someone else to throw shits at me for saying the right thing here. Will be back when i see the environment is condusive for everyone.

Anyway, congrats to all investor Bitcoin is gaining massively. We hope to see 100k+ in two days time. Keep on accumulating.

[JayJuanGee]

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With due respect i might be ignoring this thread for a while because i will not allow someone else to throw shits at me for saying the right thing here. Will be back when i see the environment is condusive for everyone.

Anyway, congrats to all investor Bitcoin is gaining massively. We hope to see 100k+ in two days time. Keep on accumulating.

It seems to me that there is a need to have thick skin on the interwebs, and sure, it is up to you if you want any other forum member to discourage you from participating in this thread or in any other thread.

[Agbamoni]

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With due respect i might be ignoring this thread for a while because i will not allow someone else to throw shits at me for saying the right thing here. Will be back when i see the environment is condusive for everyone.

Anyway, congrats to all investor Bitcoin is gaining massively. We hope to see 100k+ in two days time. Keep on accumulating.

It seems to me that there is a need to have thick skin on the interwebs, and sure, it is up to you if you want any other forum member to discourage you from participating in this thread or in any other thread.

Perhaps i made the decision to hasty. On a second thought i wont let his opinion to my comment bother me anymore. I know not eveyone will view things the same way with me. I just need to learn how to not give a F**k to it.

Am glad you responded

[JayJuanGee]

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With due respect i might be ignoring this thread for a while because i will not allow someone else to throw shits at me for saying the right thing here. Will be back when i see the environment is condusive for everyone.

Anyway, congrats to all investor Bitcoin is gaining massively. We hope to see 100k+ in two days time. Keep on accumulating.

It seems to me that there is a need to have thick skin on the interwebs, and sure, it is up to you if you want any other forum member to discourage you from participating in this thread or in any other thread.

Perhaps i made the decision to hasty. On a second thought i wont let his opinion to my comment bother me anymore. I know not eveyone will view things the same way with me. I just need to learn how to not give a F**k to it.

Am glad you responded

Sometimes when I feel that another member is bashing me, I will fight back, and other times, I will just ignore it and stick with the topic to the extent that the other member might have had raised any ideas worthy of response...

For example, I might decide to just let them know that they are probably not providing any kind of meaningful response if they feel that they have to exaggerate or to make false statements that are also apparent to other members, and so if the other forum member is engaging in that kind of behavior to just throw out meaningless and even non-fact based attacks, it could be showing a misunderstanding or it could by showing that such member is not even trying to engage in an actual meaningful conversation on the topic.

You likely notice from time to time, in several threads, there are guys that come into the thread just to stir shit with crazy ideas that might not even completely relate to the topic of the thread, but sometimes it can be difficult to exactly point out how they are doing it or even sometimes it may seem petty to even attempt to point out their seemingly bad intent, even though the shit stirring seems to be part of their purpose. 

Sometimes it still can be o.k. to engage, and other times, the nonsense of some other members might not be worthy of a response, especially if it seems apparent that other members are also noticing that the posts of the shit-stirring member are not really bringing up anything meaningful in terms of substance of the thread or necessary to be responded to.

[ginsan]

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With due respect i might be ignoring this thread for a while because i will not allow someone else to throw shits at me for saying the right thing here. Will be back when i see the environment is condusive for everyone.

Anyway, congrats to all investor Bitcoin is gaining massively. We hope to see 100k+ in two days time. Keep on accumulating.

It seems to me that there is a need to have thick skin on the interwebs, and sure, it is up to you if you want any other forum member to discourage you from participating in this thread or in any other thread.

Perhaps i made the decision to hasty. On a second thought i wont let his opinion to my comment bother me anymore. I know not eveyone will view things the same way with me. I just need to learn how to not give a F**k to it.

Am glad you responded

I think we have a good discussion in this thread, there are suggestions that may seem more spontaneous and maybe some of them are not able to accept it with a cool head so they think that they are being humiliated in this thread even though that is not true at all. What I mean is that we continue to be and can accept every reply from users with a cool head.

I honestly say that I have also received a stronger reply than what they said. But for me it is a normal thing because we can take one lesson so that we can accept their reply with a cool head or not continue it in the next post.

I hope you stay in this thread and we discuss together about how to invest in bitcoin.

But it's up to you because for me there are always pros and cons in sharing opinions because it can be accepted sometimes not.

Oh yes, I see this thread is already running or has entered page 733 and maybe it won't be felt in the next month it will reach 1000 pages.

For me, there are many things that I can learn in this thread, especially about how to invest in bitcoin properly through DCA, Lump sum and also get many constructive ideas from users who have long experience in investing in bitcoin. Although some of them are beginners here, sometimes they have deeper knowledge about investing because they have invested earlier in bitcoin before they joined the forum. Therefore, I think you can consider your decision to leave this thread, it does not mean that I advise you but I prefer to stay together to learn what we don't know yet.

[sotelorene]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

[Mayor of ogba]

You seem to be the arrogant one, LGD2Business.

This thread is not even about trading.

Specifically we are here talking about various BTC accumulation strategies, and sure maybe you are distracted by the title of "buying the dip," but still we have an investment focus in this thread.

Another thing.. sure you may well be correct that it is safer to trade bitcoin than shitcoins, yet it is hardly even a great topic, even if it were relevant to this thread - especially since whatever trading approaches that anyone chooses to employ has a lot of potential variability, to the extent that trading is not devolving into variations of degenerate gambling in the first place.

Looking at your forum registration date, yeah you have been registered on the forum for 10 years, so yeah, it is nice to interact with members who have experience, yet you still might be grappling with how investing into bitcoin differs from trading it, to the extent that you might want to try to stay topical in terms of this particular thread.. and yeah, there is nothing wrong with having differing ideas, yet it is going to be quite irritating if you are going to want to talk about trading, when the ways that you have been talking about bitcoin so far seems to be deviating from the focus of this thread.

If you have followed the topic and looked at the message where the main discussion started, you must have noticed that a few people are deliberately rephrasing words differently to steer the issue into an off-topic debate. New users trying to manipulate the topic in this way should not be allowed.
When you look at the entire message, you can see that when I mentioned trading Bitcoin, I was referring to buying from the dip. I wasn't talking about trading in the sense of constantly buying and selling. Therefore, in the context of the topic my message was a normal on-topic discussion. However, since these people are spammers who don't even understand what they read, they cut half of a sentence and started attacking based on that.

They are cutting only one sentence from my message and distorting it from its original meaning to manipulate the situation. I wonder what the real purpose is of those who create an uproar as if you said something you never actually said and then attack based on that. I guess they have no other concern than creating fake debates to fill their message quotas. If they earn a few merits in the process, it becomes even more profitable for them. I don't even think they have invested in Bitcoin at all.

I feel you pain, and I understand the angle you are coming from. When I saw your comment about "trading bitcoin being better than trading altcoins," I knew you were talking about investing in bitcoin for the long term, and that was the reason why I said to you, If you are talking about investing in bitcoin for the long term, you should use the right word so that newbies in the thread will not be misled into believing that trading bitcoin for short-term profit is better than investing in bitcoin for the long term. Here is this thread: Trading bitcoin is seen as trading bitcoin for short-term profit, and that was the reason why those folks cut only that sentence to reply to you.

[Wind_FURY]

Sell a kidney if you must, but keep the Bitcoin.
https://x.com/saylor/status/1895325810942411234

Chad Saylor is a Chad. Doesn't panic, hands steady, unmoving, relaxed during the biggest drawdown of his Bitcoin investment journey. Everyone should remember that he used his company as collateral for his multi-billion Dollar Bitcoin Bet. If he gets a margin-call - he's a Legend, if Bitcoin surges to All Time High - he's a Legend.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your use of the term collateral is probably not correct, and you keep repeating nonsense ideas about what you believe Saylor and/or MSTR is doing.

OK, Chad Saylor didn't issue MSTR stock directly as collateral. Chad Saylor issued MSTR stock as collateral, but with a few extra steps.

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If he would tremble, then that would be a precedent for sure.
He doesn't have the audacity to do so, because he knows what he is doing  

Why do you want to worship Saylor/MSTR? or to believe that bitcoin's prices are dependent on one man or one company..   That is ridiculous.

Saylor is also just coming upon ONLY 5 years of being in bitcoin.

There definitely are people who are silently laughing at me for idolizing this man and they would probably call me names, BUT many of those people's wallets hold memecoins that they would shill to their followers instead of Bitcoin. Haha.

You are getting worse... and worse..

You don't even seem to know what the fuck Saylor/MSTR is doing, and now you want to start worshipping Saylor?

You are like delusional half the time.

What did the Chad Saylor do? Risked a large amount of money because he believes in Bitcoin as an investment. THAT, ser, I do understand.

BUT, the point is, there are people who hate Chad Saylor because of his Bitcoin bet, but they shill their memecoins with dog and cat pictures. Laughable.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Churchillvv]

It seems to me that a lot of guys here do not prioritise reading the thread or even the OP before posting here and that makes me feel very ill to respond to posts here.

Even if you do not have time to read the whole thread try as much as possible to read at least 1- 5 pages of the thread and also the last 2-3 pages before making any post. it has become obvious that some of you guys here are literally making off topic post with little touch of bitcoin but never the core ideas behind the thread which is "buy the dips"
The dips are almost closing up for the bull run however, grab the minimum you can as time is limited but then remember it's not over yet DCA is also there for the next 4-5 years. Good luck guys keep buying.

[JayJuanGee]

Sell a kidney if you must, but keep the Bitcoin.
https://x.com/saylor/status/1895325810942411234

Chad Saylor is a Chad. Doesn't panic, hands steady, unmoving, relaxed during the biggest drawdown of his Bitcoin investment journey. Everyone should remember that he used his company as collateral for his multi-billion Dollar Bitcoin Bet. If he gets a margin-call - he's a Legend, if Bitcoin surges to All Time High - he's a Legend.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your use of the term collateral is probably not correct, and you keep repeating nonsense ideas about what you believe Saylor and/or MSTR is doing.

OK, Chad Saylor didn't issue MSTR stock directly as collateral. Chad Saylor issued MSTR stock as collateral, but with a few extra steps.

Collateral refers to a kind of debt instrument.  So for example, if there were debt instruments issued, and MSTR was used as collateral or bitcoin was used as collateral to service the debt then that would be a collateral situation.  Saylor/MSTR has mostly not been doing that. 

I believe  that in 2022 or so, Saylor/MSTR learned their lesson, when they had a collateralized loan with Silvergate bank, and so they ended up paying that collateralized loan back early.  That loan had been collateralized by bitcoin.. but Saylor/MSTR paid that loan back and they stopped getting into those kinds of loan products (at least so far).

If Saylor/MSTR issues extra shares then they are getting money for those shares, and the person buying the shares are buying a portion in the company, so the shares are not encumbered.  Now you might assert that if Saylor/MSTR generates more shares, then the rest of the shares would be diluted since if there used to be 100,000 shares, and if they issue 10k more shares,  then the outstanding shares are 10% less valuable because 10% shares have been issued, which would largely be true, except that Saylor is specifically using the money to buy bitcoin, so then everyone in the company owns more bitcoin per share because the company bought bitcoin with the money that was generated from selling additional shares.  None of the shares are encumbered since the bitcoin is 100% owned by the company once the money is used to buy BTC with the money that was generated from the shares. 

So your talking about collateral makes no sense in the context in which shares were issued.

I am pretty sure that I also discussed the convertible bond in one of my other posts to you, which such creation of convertible bonds also does not cause any encumberance of the bitcoin, so there is no collateral involved in those converitble bonds either.  So your continuing to talk about collateral means that you are not even talking about any kind of financial instrument that Saylor MSTR is currently issuing, since I am pretty sure that Saylor/MSTR stopped encumbreing their BTC after their 2022 experience with Silvergate. .

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If he would tremble, then that would be a precedent for sure.
He doesn't have the audacity to do so, because he knows what he is doing  

Why do you want to worship Saylor/MSTR? or to believe that bitcoin's prices are dependent on one man or one company..   That is ridiculous.

Saylor is also just coming upon ONLY 5 years of being in bitcoin.

There definitely are people who are silently laughing at me for idolizing this man and they would probably call me names, BUT many of those people's wallets hold memecoins that they would shill to their followers instead of Bitcoin. Haha.

You are getting worse... and worse..

You don't even seem to know what the fuck Saylor/MSTR is doing, and now you want to start worshipping Saylor?
You are like delusional half the time.

What did the Chad Saylor do? Risked a large amount of money because he believes in Bitcoin as an investment. THAT, ser, I do understand.

Just because the numbers are larger, how is Saylor/MSTR engaging in higher levels of risk than individuals?   He has various cashflow management matters, and we do not know all of the details, yet I think that his debt to asset ratio is pretty damned low.  Sure, there is a lot of bitcoin being held by a variety of custodians, yet we do not necessarily know the details of his custodial arrangements, but you don't seem to be referring to custodial concerns.  You seem to be narrowly focused on the fact that Saylor bought a lot of bitcoin, and proclaiming that buying a lot of bitcoin is risky, but still don't even seem to understand what Saylor/MSTR is doing.  It seems strange that you would  proclaim Saylor/MSTR to be engaging in "risky" behaviors merely because they bought a lot of bitcoin.

BUT, the point is, there are people who hate Chad Saylor because of his Bitcoin bet, but they shill their memecoins with dog and cat pictures. Laughable.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am not sure if that is the point... but sure there are a lot of folks who seem to not understand what Saylor/MSTR is doing.. .and some of them are shilling meme  coins or NFTs or some other variable of valueless shit-coin related projects/gambles/trades.

[Popkon6]

It seems to me that a lot of guys here do not prioritise reading the thread or even the OP before posting here and that makes me feel very ill to respond to posts here.

Even if you do not have time to read the whole thread try as much as possible to read at least 1- 5 pages of the thread and also the last 2-3 pages before making any post. it has become obvious that some of you guys here are literally making off topic post with little touch of bitcoin but never the core ideas behind the thread which is "buy the dips"

We basically believe who is investing and who will invest, and whether any other Bitcoin holders have faced problems. And we discuss more unique things here and criticize the investment issues and other investors are attracted to Bitcoin and they start investing.
And we discuss how to sustain our Bitcoin investment for a long time. That's why we don't give much importance to reading the past pages, because we discuss the current new updates here.

The dips are almost closing up for the bull run however, grab the minimum you can as time is limited but then remember it's not over yet DCA is also there for the next 4-5 years. Good luck guys keep buying.

I would like to ask you whether you bought the dip that occurred in the Bitcoin market two days ago? This current investment created the most opportunity to buy the dip. I have been holding Bitcoin for a long time, investing in DCA, and will continue to hold it for several years to come, and occasionally buying when the dip occurs. However, I prefer the weekly DCA investment method the most.

[suzanne5223]

Don't you think that our level of aggressiveness should be directly proportional to our discretionary income and not as a result of a market conditions, there is no Market conditions that is not good enough for an aggressive buying, you can still Buy aggressively  even at the time of a peak price as a long term investor it has to do with the availability and the level of your discretionary income for investment.
 
To much excitement of this time can make lots of people to buy with the money to be use to sort out their basic needs after which they will start struggling to pay for basic needs.

Investors who are still able to buy Bitcoin more aggressively are those who do not use their basic needs money for that because they usually have it specifically and separately from their basic needs. However, if you have seen ordinary people who follow the footsteps of aggressive investors in buying Bitcoin and have sacrificed money for their basic needs, I think you need to guide them well enough so that they do not build the wrong steps even though they are for the right purpose of investing in Bitcoin in the long term.

When an individual use money for basic needs to buy Bitcoin,  such Bitcoin may not be held for long because basics needs are needs that cannot be postponed else life will not be convenient. So I agree with you that people should be properly guided so they know the difference between money for investment and money for other needs. The essence of investing is to be able to hold for long  so that should be the focus.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

There is a difference between being aggressive and being overly aggressive or perhaps sloppy.

A person who invests into bitcoin should consider that he is able to invest aggressively and even to potentially use all of his discretionary income for investing into bitcoin, yet if he ends  ups making a mistake and over investing or even purposefully decided to invest with money he needs for his expenses, he is no longer investing, he is trading and/or gambling and he has gone overboard... and if he says that he is just being aggressive, he is wrong. because he has gone overboard.

Surely we have some guys who might miscalculate their level of investment, and that would be sloppy, and surely we have many times discussed that back up funds and even emergency funds could rescue us from our having had made mistakes in our calculation, yet four our own financial and psychological well being, we should be trying to build practices that we are not making those kinds of mistakes, and even if we are a beginner investor and we are spending months building up our emergency fund, we may also realize that it takes a long time to build our cashflow management practices and our back up funds that even allow us to push our aggressiveness limits, yet even while we are building we still might be wanting to exercise judgements to be as aggressive as we are able to be without over doing it.. and surely, we still have to pay attention so that we do not make mistakes that push us over the line into overaggressiveness and perhaps end up losing some of our progress when we engage in such practices of overaggressiveness, we might not realize our mistake until we have no way to recover from it without suffering more damage than we had needed to suffer.

You are right, and I agree with everything you said about the difference between being aggressive and being overly aggressive. Besides, it is good to be aggressive at some point to stay hungry for something big, but there's still a need to balance it in a way that the decisions we make won't lead us to the gambling aspect of the Bitcoin investment.
I think the best thing to do to invest in the opportunity the market presented aggressively while maintaining good cash flow practices is by analyzing our income, investment, and subtracting our daily need expenses.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

I make the statement because the Bitcoiner is no longer investing but gambling (just as JayJuanGee once said) with the fund that was set aside for another purpose i.e, going beyond the limit of your discretionary income.
S/he chooses to use the fund to invest in Bitcoin due to its potential and the opportunity the market presents. If the market downtrends after s/hehas  accumulated the BTC and an emergency issue happens where s/he needs back the fund used for investment, there's no choice for the person than to sell the BTC. It is something that once happened to me.

[Rockstarguy]

Who is buying? It has fallen slightly, but just enough so that I can take advantage of buying, only the smartest buy when there are falls in the price of BTC.

The articles talk a lot about the liquidation of BTC, but I focus on my personal situation, it is a shame that I have not been able to buy much, my fortnight has not allowed me to do so completely, I hope that many are taking advantage, it does not matter how much they do, the objective is clear.

Since you already have an existing strategy you are using to accumulate bitcoin and you have also taken advantage of the current dip but not to your satisfaction, there is no need to be ashamed of yourself for not buying the dip enough before it will expose you to buying the dip with the money that is meant to take care of daily needs, and you end up struggling to sort out your daily expenses. Some investors think that it is by buying the dip they can maximize their bitcoin portfolio, but if they are consistent enough in accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy for 4-10 years or more, they will greatly maximize their bitcoin portfolio, so keep calm and buy the dip you can afford to buy, and continue accumulating bitcoin consistently with your already existing strategy; you will maximize your bitcoin portfolio.

Whenever the dips takes place and what you could afford to accumulate seems small to you because buoyant enough to buy the amount that you are satisfied with, you don't need to worry yourself or feel bad concerning the little you have been able to afford.  If you decide to go for the amount you can't afford by tampering with the money that is meant for the basic things you need it can really affect you.  Do not go more than your ability,  just go for what you can chest and afford no matter how small it is.

As an investor the way you are so interested about to accumulate bitcoin in the dip, you also need to consider your way about on how to manage your self to survive too because any little mistakes not to consider the money you need for upkeep  can affect you. Buy Bitcoin according to your financial capability,  their are still more dip to buy more.

[BitBakerr1]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

[bitzizzix]

Who is buying? It has fallen slightly, but just enough so that I can take advantage of buying, only the smartest buy when there are falls in the price of BTC.

The articles talk a lot about the liquidation of BTC, but I focus on my personal situation, it is a shame that I have not been able to buy much, my fortnight has not allowed me to do so completely, I hope that many are taking advantage, it does not matter how much they do, the objective is clear.

Since you already have an existing strategy you are using to accumulate bitcoin and you have also taken advantage of the current dip but not to your satisfaction, there is no need to be ashamed of yourself for not buying the dip enough before it will expose you to buying the dip with the money that is meant to take care of daily needs, and you end up struggling to sort out your daily expenses. Some investors think that it is by buying the dip they can maximize their bitcoin portfolio, but if they are consistent enough in accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy for 4-10 years or more, they will greatly maximize their bitcoin portfolio, so keep calm and buy the dip you can afford to buy, and continue accumulating bitcoin consistently with your already existing strategy; you will maximize your bitcoin portfolio.

Whenever the dips takes place and what you could afford to accumulate seems small to you because buoyant enough to buy the amount that you are satisfied with, you don't need to worry yourself or feel bad concerning the little you have been able to afford.  If you decide to go for the amount you can't afford by tampering with the money that is meant for the basic things you need it can really affect you.  Do not go more than your ability,  just go for what you can chest and afford no matter how small it is.

As an investor the way you are so interested about to accumulate bitcoin in the dip, you also need to consider your way about on how to manage your self to survive too because any little mistakes not to consider the money you need for upkeep  can affect you. Buy Bitcoin according to your financial capability,  their are still more dip to buy more.

If you always make regular purchases at a predetermined time regardless of the decline that occurs, then you are a consistent person and this is a consistent and disciplined investor, namely someone who does not force or sacrifice money that is really needed or specifically set aside such as for emergency funds or whatever to be diverted to buy Bitcoin just because there is a decline that he thinks is not right. And as long as your goal is indeed for the long term and you do it consistently and also disciplined, never be afraid of not getting big profits or not having a lot of Bitcoin, and if you really want it, you can do it separately without having to change the money management that you have set and run well and still use additional money outside of that all that you will use to buy Bitcoin when there is a decline without changing the strategy you are running.

[Barikui1]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

The real fact here is that if it's an amount of money you can do away with for a very long period of time, their is nothing stopping you from accumulating aggressively during a serious dip as long as your source of income is there,
your  emergency funds and backup funds are in place, because they gives you the leverage of doing so without making your holdings defenseless if their is any emergencies that arises after then.
Then as for the aspect where most Bitcoin investors invest aggressively with during a dip with the money meant for emergency situations, that's actually a terrible mistake because at that particular point in time, their investment is mostly vulnerable to any emergencies that may arise after that time, and it's just a matter of time before they start tempering with it when a pressing financial needs arises.

[Joy- maker]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose, which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.
that is why I we always advise poor investors with low capacity not to buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, only buy with your little discretionary  income to enable you take control over your emotions and still continue your bitcoin accumulation journey for long term holding.

[Tungbulu]

BUT, the point is, there are people who hate Chad Saylor because of his Bitcoin bet, but they shill their memecoins with dog and cat pictures. Laughable.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am not sure if that is the point... but sure there are a lot of folks who seem to not understand what Saylor/MSTR is doing.. .and some of them are shilling meme  coins or NFTs or some other variable of valueless shit-coin related projects/gambles/trades.

Yeah, it’s really crazy how so many people in this space has failed to understand the actual concept of Michael Saylor and MSTR (Microstrategy) or what they’re really tryna do.
They’re nothing more but about the Bitcoin life and I don’t see them apologizing for it.
I mean, Saylor has in several occasions been very vocal about his personal views on Bitcoin, as well as how it’s a shield against inflation, a store of value and a complete game changer for the economy and financial system.

But it beats me to see that, regardless of all the things he’s said out so loud, there are still lots of people who still doesn’t get it. They’re all still busy shilling their favourite shitcoins. All of these shitcoins and NFTs are only fun to watch and speculate on, but I really don’t see them changing the world.

I’ve come to realize that Saylor and MSTR ain’t just trying to make some quick profits, but they’re taking a much more innovative and strategic approach towards ensuring that that they build a totally new and financial system that’s a lot more secure, equitable and decentralized than the ones we see right now.

And with how enthusiastic they are about this, I strongly believe that they can as well just pull it off because a lot of people are not opting into their vision. Plus, MSTR on the other hand, with their Bitcoin holdings, they’re also putting their money, exactly where their mouth is.
And yeah, even it might appear that Saylor/MSTR has been receiving lots of criticism and even dismissals despite the efforts they’ve put and still putting into this vision, I still believe in the popular saying, “He who laughs last, laughs the best” because in the end, they’ll definitely prove the doubters wrong when they show the world what Bitcojn can really do and how it can change the world economy.