Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Gallar]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Investing in bitcoin aggressively is basically very good for those who have a lot of cold cash. Because usually investing in bitcoin aggressively involves very large funds. Although if viewed from a different perspective, investing in bitcoin aggressively can be done by anyone as long as they have discretionary income. Because the main thing to consider when becoming an aggressive investor is the risk factor. So for people who dare to take big risks by putting their wealth in bitcoin, it can be said that such people are also aggressive investors.

Because it has been proven at this time, large companies like Microstrategy also buy bitcoin aggressively and most likely the money invested is not absolutely cold money. In addition, buying bitcoin aggressively when there is a decline, may be one of the right ways to get more bitcoin. But in my opinion we don't need to be fixated on price declines if we want to buy bitcoin aggressively. Because if our goal is long-term investment, I think buying at any price is not a problem. But talking about this, it depends on each person's comfort.

[Derekfunds]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose, which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.
that is why I we always advise poor investors with low capacity not to buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, only buy with your little discretionary  income to enable you take control over your emotions and still continue your bitcoin accumulation journey for long term holding.

I agree with you to some point but saying buying aggressively when there is a Dip will only favors the rich is what I don't totally agree with you because been rich doesn't mean your discretionary is also rich there are rich people who do not have good discretionary and there are also poor people who don't have enough money but yet there discretionary is quite okay and good. Having a good discretionary depends on individual mindset towards or concerning that particular thing, some people may have good source of income but they don't prioritize a particular thing though by default rich people are suppose to have a good discretionary than the other but priority and interest is now a factor.

[Sim_card]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose, which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.
that is why I we always advise poor investors with low capacity not to buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, only buy with your little discretionary  income to enable you take control over your emotions and still continue your bitcoin accumulation journey for long term holding.

I agree with you to some point but saying buying aggressively when there is a Dip will only favors the rich is what I don't totally agree with you because been rich doesn't mean your discretionary is also rich there are rich people who do not have good discretionary and there are also poor people who don't have enough money but yet there discretionary is quite okay and good. Having a good discretionary depends on individual mindset towards or concerning that particular thing, some people may have good source of income but they don't prioritize a particular thing though by default rich people are suppose to have a good discretionary than the other but priority and interest is now a factor.

I disagree with you that rich people don't have large discretionary income than the poor because they might have various cash inflows and little expenses. A rich investor has the flexibility to invest aggressively into bitcoin amd grow how portfolio faster to a good height than a poor man because he has all the luxury to use all three methods of accumulating bitcoin without stressing his financial life as long as he's serious and focus to keep his bitcoin accumulation ongoing with persistent, consistent and aggressive overtime.

I feel that you are mistaken the meaning of discretionary income for something else. Discretionary income is the left over money after removing the monthly for your monthly needs and expenses. You can use your discretionary income to do whatever you like amd it wouldn't affect your living. Imagine a poor man that earns $1000 with two kids and his wife. At the end of the month, his expenses is $800, and he has a discretionary income of $200 which he can use to invest in bitcoin or gamble it.

A rich man with two kids and wife has an income of $100000 every month, with an expenses of $30000 every month, who do you think is in the position to invest more aggressively without thinking twice. Of course, is the rich man.

[Joy- maker]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose, which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.
that is why I we always advise poor investors with low capacity not to buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, only buy with your little discretionary  income to enable you take control over your emotions and still continue your bitcoin accumulation journey for long term holding.

I agree with you to some point but saying buying aggressively when there is a Dip will only favors the rich is what I don't totally agree with you because been rich doesn't mean your discretionary is also rich there are rich people who do not have good discretionary and there are also poor people who don't have enough money but yet there discretionary is quite okay and good. Having a good discretionary depends on individual mindset towards or concerning that particular thing, some people may have good source of income but they don't prioritize a particular thing though by default rich people are suppose to have a good discretionary than the other but priority and interest is now a factor.

I was never expecting you to agree with me in some points of my, you should have agreed with me instead of condemning the truth that I just spoke. Because you and I knows that when it comes to bitcoin investment, a dip in bitcoin always favor the rich investors more than the poor investors.

As an speaking right now if not 90% of investors who are rich , at least 80% of them has already taking advantage of the durrent dip in bitcoin by buying aggressively, while the investors with low incomes are still on calculations on how they can  map out some part of there income to purchase bitcoin on this current dip, that why I want you believe me bro am speaking the fact.

And  I believe you can now see the difference between the rich investors with high income and the poor investors with low income, and I also believe you have seeing the the reason why I said that buying bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip will always favor the rich investors more than the the poor investors.

[Pi-network314159]

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose

well it depends on what you describe as poor or rich. each an everyone has there level or limit at which they can afford things, and they may see it as being advantageous over the other. for example if bitcoin fall from $109k to $80k and Mr. A bought bitcoin worth of $1m and Mr. B bought bitcoin worth of $100k at same dip, and Mr. C also bought bitcoin worth of $10k each at lump sum, each of them will be glad they bought bitcoin at a low price because of the dip in price without thinking if anyone may have bought higher or not. so in conclusion everyone will invest according to their capacity or what they can afford to lose. because the way you sounded makes it look as if its only the poor that can invest with what they can afford to lose.
 

which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.

selling bitcoin too quickly to get back the fund invested is not always because of emergency but due to the fear of missing out, and selling too quickly is not only for the poor but for both poor and the rich. they do it mostly because of fear of uncertainty.

[Promocodeudo]

I disagree with you, investing is not easy and if it was or if it is almost/everybody would have ventured into it, investing is not easy because one have to think through the advantage and disadvantage of it before one can venture into it and some people in the process of thinking they lose interest because they might think out some scenarios that may be difficult for they scale through because anything about investment, there is always a risk so is not easy and sustaining and investment for a long term is not easy too even though you know the strategy because there are stage one will reach, one will be so confused though sustaining an investment will be or. An be easy if you have the necessary things such as your discretionary, emergency fund and back up fund and most importantly you need to be discipline, determined and know how to manage your investment and sometimes even with all these some people still find out hard to sustain there investment you why? Because they are not disciplined and determined.

So you think the reason why everyone has not invested into Bitcoin is because the investment isn't easy, that's funny  because I must tell you that it is not the reason, as a matter of fact there no way everyone will find a particular investment very attractive to invest in, it not possible, I want you to understand that even as Bitcoin has proven to be trusted and achieved a long awaited milestone, there are still individuals who may not find it worthy of there investment because of how skeptical they are towards the said investment, as for merit and demerits of Bitcoin, I must tell you that every investment got this, so it not only Bitcoin, so if as an investor you keep looking at the advantage and disadvantage as you said before thinking of investing in Bitcoin then in all ramification it means you aren't serious about investing in the first place or your aren't much aware of the said investment and how it works.

An investor can only be confused at a point of his investment as you said only when he fail to follow the dos and donts of this investment which is adding more source of income to enable him accumulate gradually or aggressively without stress or the mindset of withdrawing prematurely, for you to sustain your investment you must invest with the amount that you're convenient with, you don't have to follow Mr A to invest the way he chooses to invest when you don't know how sufficient his source of income is, do things to the best of your ability when investing, then you'll see that Bitcoin investment isn't difficult at all, it all depends on how efficient your consistency is.

[JayJuanGee]

BUT, the point is, there are people who hate Chad Saylor because of his Bitcoin bet, but they shill their memecoins with dog and cat pictures. Laughable.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am not sure if that is the point... but sure there are a lot of folks who seem to not understand what Saylor/MSTR is doing.. .and some of them are shilling meme  coins or NFTs or some other variable of valueless shit-coin related projects/gambles/trades.

Yeah, it’s really crazy how so many people in this space has failed to understand the actual concept of Michael Saylor and MSTR (Microstrategy) or what they’re really tryna do.
They’re nothing more but about the Bitcoin life and I don’t see them apologizing for it.
I mean, Saylor has in several occasions been very vocal about his personal views on Bitcoin, as well as how it’s a shield against inflation, a store of value and a complete game changer for the economy and financial system.

But it beats me to see that, regardless of all the things he’s said out so loud, there are still lots of people who still doesn’t get it. They’re all still busy shilling their favourite shitcoins. All of these shitcoins and NFTs are only fun to watch and speculate on, but I really don’t see them changing the world.
I’ve come to realize that Saylor and MSTR ain’t just trying to make some quick profits, but they’re taking a much more innovative and strategic approach towards ensuring that that they build a totally new and financial system that’s a lot more secure, equitable and decentralized than the ones we see right now.

And with how enthusiastic they are about this, I strongly believe that they can as well just pull it off because a lot of people are not opting into their vision. Plus, MSTR on the other hand, with their Bitcoin holdings, they’re also putting their money, exactly where their mouth is.
And yeah, even it might appear that Saylor/MSTR has been receiving lots of criticism and even dismissals despite the efforts they’ve put and still putting into this vision, I still believe in the popular saying, “He who laughs last, laughs the best” because in the end, they’ll definitely prove the doubters wrong when they show the world what Bitcojn can really do and how it can change the world economy.

I think that Saylor and/or MSTR can be criticized for other reasons, such as they fail/refuse to recognize and appreciate that value of direct person to person interactions with bitcoin, and also a lot of the value of bitcoin comes from abilities  to directly interact with bitcoin and with out intermediaries.

Yet, so many folks criticize Saylor/MSTR for supposedly getting over his skies and supposedly being over-leveraged, when those kinds of facts are not even true, except maybe if they might be able to focus on the extent to which his custody might not be as secure as it should be, in terms of whatever, contractual relationships that he has in regards to custodians, including whatever role  that governments might be playing to make sure that he does not lose his bitcoin (or lose the rights to them).

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Buying Bitcoin aggressively is more beneficial when there is Dip because you will be able to buy a large figure of..., and buying aggressively depends on our financial capacity, some investors make mistake buy buying Bitcoin aggressively even when they are not prepared and then later run they are panicking because of the little dip that will happen. Using all your discretionary to invest during a dip to me is not actually right because it is Always good to have small savings ( discretionary) even after investing for  security reasons.

Yes you are correct however if you have a strong backup funds which is emergency, reserves and float funds and there's a dip you can be using all your discretionary income to accumulate aggressively because you won't get into a problem since you already have a strong backup funds but if you don't have a backup funds then you need to start building it along side your Bitcoin investment meaning you we have to divide your discretionary income  parts one for your backup funds building and another part for your Bitcoin accumulation.

exaltly if an investor  has a strong back up funds, he or she can buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, but this buying of bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip in the market always favour the rich investors, because they have other sources of  income and the capacity to handle any emergency when it occurs.
But for the poor investors with low capacity I don't think buying bitcoin aggressively when there a dip will favour them, because they might intend to buy bitcoin with what they can't afford to loose, which may lead to early selling of their bitcoin investment when there is an emergency.
that is why I we always advise poor investors with low capacity not to buy bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip, only buy with your little discretionary  income to enable you take control over your emotions and still continue your bitcoin accumulation journey for long term holding.

I agree with you to some point but saying buying aggressively when there is a Dip will only favors the rich is what I don't totally agree with you because been rich doesn't mean your discretionary is also rich there are rich people who do not have good discretionary and there are also poor people who don't have enough money but yet there discretionary is quite okay and good. Having a good discretionary depends on individual mindset towards or concerning that particular thing, some people may have good source of income but they don't prioritize a particular thing though by default rich people are suppose to have a good discretionary than the other but priority and interest is now a factor.

I disagree with you that rich people don't have large discretionary income than the poor because they might have various cash inflows and little expenses. A rich investor has the flexibility to invest aggressively into bitcoin amd grow how portfolio faster to a good height than a poor man because he has all the luxury to use all three methods of accumulating bitcoin without stressing his financial life as long as he's serious and focus to keep his bitcoin accumulation ongoing with persistent, consistent and aggressive overtime.

I feel that you are mistaken the meaning of discretionary income for something else. Discretionary income is the left over money after removing the monthly for your monthly needs and expenses. You can use your discretionary income to do whatever you like amd it wouldn't affect your living. Imagine a poor man that earns $1000 with two kids and his wife. At the end of the month, his expenses is $800, and he has a discretionary income of $200 which he can use to invest in bitcoin or gamble it.

A rich man with two kids and wife has an income of $100000 every month, with an expenses of $30000 every month, who do you think is in the position to invest more aggressively without thinking twice. Of course, is the rich man.

I think that you are correct with everything you say Sim_card - yet I still think that it is important to point out that the level of aggressiveness has to do with the level of your discretionary income that you are investing rather than the actual amount of the discretionary income...

So in a lot of senses, your example of a rich guy could invest quite whimpily (and ONLY a very small part of his $70k monthly discretionary income) and still outpace the poor guy who only has $200 monthly of discretionary income to work with. 

I am not going to proclaim that I exactly know what is aggressive versus what is whimpy, yet we have to start with the consideration of our own discretionary income levels rather than cross comparing folks who have much different circumstances.

You might even say that everything is the same with your poor guy and your rich guy in term of their having emergency funds for 3 months and various other reasonable back up funds, so then the ONLY difference is that one has $200 per month available for investing and the other has $70k per month available for investing, yet since the differences in the amounts are so extreme, it becomes way more difficult to be reasonable in our comparisons.

It might be better to come up with better examples, and so maybe a poor person who has $50 per week of discretionary income versus a richer person who has $1,000 per week of discretionary income.   Yeah, the richer person is not outrageously rich, but he still has 20x more discretionary income to be able to work with.

For me it becomes a bit more meaningful to attempt to compare similar situations or maybe just describe differences in one or two variables rather than making outrageously broad-brush descriptions of so many differences, even though surely we have people at the extremes and then we have a variety of variations of those same persons who are in between the extremes.

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I was never expecting you to agree with me in some points of my, you should have agreed with me instead of condemning the truth that I just spoke. Because you and I knows that when it comes to bitcoin investment, a dip in bitcoin always favor the rich investors more than the poor investors.

As an speaking right now if not 90% of investors who are rich , at least 80% of them has already taking advantage of the durrent dip in bitcoin by buying aggressively, while the investors with low incomes are still on calculations on how they can  map out some part of there income to purchase bitcoin on this current dip, that why I want you believe me bro am speaking the fact.

And  I believe you can now see the difference between the rich investors with high income and the poor investors with low income, and I also believe you have seeing the the reason why I said that buying bitcoin aggressively when there is a dip will always favor the rich investors more than the the poor investors.

Of course, many of us are going to know that rich folks are going to have a lot of advantages in something like bitcoin and/or investment, if they are enlightened towards the value of bitcoin as an investment.

Yet, at the same time, I think that a lot of poor people (and/or those who are not very rich), mistakenly overly focus on the mere fact that rich folks have a lot of advantages, and there are likely a lot of importances for any of us forum members to be trying to figure out how to stay focused on advantaging in terms of our own personal circumstances rather than getting too worked up about the various advantages that rich folks happen to have.

For sure, poor folks do not have as much money to work with, and of course, poor people are going to need to be more organized and perhaps even ongoingly motivate, otherwise they have a lot of areas in which they could end up screwing up and causing themselves delays in progress or even completely eliminating their abilities to get up to a certain level of wealth that they might start to cushion themselves more from their poverty.

So there are a decent number of rich folks that have a lot of back up funds and back up systems that poor people do not naturally have, unless the poor people are needing to build those kinds of back up systems in order to progress towards making themselves more and more rich, which could well take them 4-10 years or more to put strong cashflow management and back up systems in place, and then maybe even 15-20 years or more before they might start to really feel like they have made it and they can start to relax a bit more... ..

Don't get me wrong.  I am not even proclaiming that a poor person is going to have to suffer for 15-20 years before he is advantaged by his focus, work, organization and/or motivations to build his wealth and his cashflow systems, since I surely believe that advantages are likely to continue to be felt each year, even though in the first years the magnifying (and compounding) effects are likely to either be non-existent and/or perhaps even fairly low in their perceptibility.  ..and yeah, even after working our asses off for 15-20 years or more, we are not guaranteed success or even to have had made the correct choices or even to be better off with bitcoin as compared to other places that we had placed our investments, so each of us has to figure out how much focus and/or efforts and/or value in which we want to place into bitcoin as compared to other places that we could place our time, energies and value.

[Tungbulu]

BUT, the point is, there are people who hate Chad Saylor because of his Bitcoin bet, but they shill their memecoins with dog and cat pictures. Laughable.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am not sure if that is the point... but sure there are a lot of folks who seem to not understand what Saylor/MSTR is doing.. .and some of them are shilling meme  coins or NFTs or some other variable of valueless shit-coin related projects/gambles/trades.

Yeah, it’s really crazy how so many people in this space has failed to understand the actual concept of Michael Saylor and MSTR (Microstrategy) or what they’re really tryna do.
They’re nothing more but about the Bitcoin life and I don’t see them apologizing for it.
I mean, Saylor has in several occasions been very vocal about his personal views on Bitcoin, as well as how it’s a shield against inflation, a store of value and a complete game changer for the economy and financial system.

But it beats me to see that, regardless of all the things he’s said out so loud, there are still lots of people who still doesn’t get it. They’re all still busy shilling their favourite shitcoins. All of these shitcoins and NFTs are only fun to watch and speculate on, but I really don’t see them changing the world.
I’ve come to realize that Saylor and MSTR ain’t just trying to make some quick profits, but they’re taking a much more innovative and strategic approach towards ensuring that that they build a totally new and financial system that’s a lot more secure, equitable and decentralized than the ones we see right now.

And with how enthusiastic they are about this, I strongly believe that they can as well just pull it off because a lot of people are not opting into their vision. Plus, MSTR on the other hand, with their Bitcoin holdings, they’re also putting their money, exactly where their mouth is.
And yeah, even it might appear that Saylor/MSTR has been receiving lots of criticism and even dismissals despite the efforts they’ve put and still putting into this vision, I still believe in the popular saying, “He who laughs last, laughs the best” because in the end, they’ll definitely prove the doubters wrong when they show the world what Bitcojn can really do and how it can change the world economy.

I think that Saylor and/or MSTR can be criticized for other reasons, such as they fail/refuse to recognize and appreciate that value of direct person to person interactions with bitcoin, and also a lot of the value of bitcoin comes from abilities  to directly interact with bitcoin and with out intermediaries.

Yet, so many folks criticize Saylor/MSTR for supposedly getting over his skies and supposedly being over-leveraged, when those kinds of facts are not even true, except maybe if they might be able to focus on the extent to which his custody might not be as secure as it should be, in terms of whatever, contractual relationships that he has in regards to custodians, including whatever role  that governments might be playing to make sure that he does not lose his bitcoin (or lose the rights to them).

Yeah that’s true. I’d consider that to be a valid criticism if that’s the case. Because their focus on Bitcoin is mostly based on Bitcoin as a store of value and also a valuable financial asset, rather than also acknowledging Bitcoin’s potential to enable a direct P2P transactions as well as interactions.

I believe this bid mostly because they’re more focused and caught up in the institutional investment aspect and benefits of Bitcoin and thereby paying little or no attention to the fact that the real power of Bitcoin actually comes from its potential to facilitate decentralized transactions and also empower individuals.

The Custody issue is also a valid concern for real I mean, dealing with that much money (billions of dollars) worth of Bitcoin, you’d definitely wanna make sure that’s it stored in the safest way possible you know, and also make sure that there aren’t any kinda shady contractual agreements or relationships or interference from the government that’ll go on there.

So Hell Yeah, if the criticism on Taylor/MSTR is only based on these, then I wouldn’t personally have any problems with it, but where I have a problem is when some folks actually fails to focus their criticism on things that actually matters but rather start spreading rumours and misinformation as well as focusing on things that are completely irrelevant.

[Justbillywitt]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

[I_Anime]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

You can be aggressive as you like when comes to bitcoin purchases Aslong you have enough discretionary income to back things up , because going with money that you gonna need , like for basic needs is not a smart one at all because it will only give you more reasons to sell early and most time selling early may = to losses , there are some folks that sold their bitcoin when the prices drop to the range of $78k recently because of some certain expenses they wanna take care of and this is where emergency funds are needed because with it you be able to hold your bitcoin as long as you can, even when there might be some expenses you be able to handle them without tampering with your bitcoin investment.

[Mr Reporter]

I disagree with you, investing is not easy and if it was or if it is almost/everybody would have ventured into it, investing is not easy because one have to think through the advantage and disadvantage of it before one can venture into it and some people in the process of thinking they lose interest because they might think out some scenarios that may be difficult for they scale through because anything about investment, there is always a risk so is not easy and sustaining and investment for a long term is not easy too even though you know the strategy because there are stage one will reach, one will be so confused though sustaining an investment will be or. An be easy if you have the necessary things such as your discretionary, emergency fund and back up fund and most importantly you need to be discipline, determined and know how to manage your investment and sometimes even with all these some people still find out hard to sustain there investment you why? Because they are not disciplined and determined.

So you think the reason why everyone has not invested into Bitcoin is because the investment isn't easy, that's funny  because I must tell you that it is not the reason, as a matter of fact there no way everyone will find a particular investment very attractive to invest in, it not possible, I want you to understand that even as Bitcoin has proven to be trusted and achieved a long awaited milestone, there are still individuals who may not find it worthy of there investment because of how skeptical they are towards the said investment, as for merit and demerits of Bitcoin, I must tell you that every investment got this, so it not only Bitcoin, so if as an investor you keep looking at the advantage and disadvantage as you said before thinking of investing in Bitcoin then in all ramification it means you aren't serious about investing in the first place or your aren't much aware of the said investment and how it works.

Well With the little experience i have understood and witnessed in BITCOIN systems this pass few years is that people have put thier faith in BITCOIN investment only that itself is enough to boost BITCOIN investment, just as you have said the investment is not easy BITCOIN investment it selfplay with your mentality first before it give you your rewards assets.

[Mr Reporter]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

You can be aggressive as you like when comes to bitcoin purchases Aslong you have enough discretionary income to back things up , because going with money that you gonna need , like for basic needs is not a smart one at all because it will only give you more reasons to sell early and most time selling early may = to losses , there are some folks that sold their bitcoin when the prices drop to the range of $78k recently because of some certain expenses they wanna take care of and this is where emergency funds are needed because with it you be able to hold your bitcoin as long as you can, even when there might be some expenses you be able to handle them without tampering with your bitcoin investment.

Honestly speaking a friend of mine also was a victim of this to by selling his BITCOIN when he was in need for money that why i careful study my account balance before i buy any BITCOIN so that it may not affect that newbies are always advisa when investing alway use what you can afford to lost

[Joy- maker]

I disagree with you, investing is not easy and if it was or if it is almost/everybody would have ventured into it, investing is not easy because one have to think through the advantage and disadvantage of it before one can venture into it and some people in the process of thinking they lose interest because they might think out some scenarios that may be difficult for they scale through because anything about investment, there is always a risk so is not easy and sustaining and investment for a long term is not easy too even though you know the strategy because there are stage one will reach, one will be so confused though sustaining an investment will be or. An be easy if you have the necessary things such as your discretionary, emergency fund and back up fund and most importantly you need to be discipline, determined and know how to manage your investment and sometimes even with all these some people still find out hard to sustain there investment you why? Because they are not disciplined and determined.

So you think the reason why everyone has not invested into Bitcoin is because the investment isn't easy, that's funny  because I must tell you that it is not the reason, as a matter of fact there no way everyone will find a particular investment very attractive to invest in, it not possible, I want you to understand that even as Bitcoin has proven to be trusted and achieved a long awaited milestone, there are still individuals who may not find it worthy of there investment because of how skeptical they are towards the said investment, as for merit and demerits of Bitcoin, I must tell you that every investment got this, so it not only Bitcoin, so if as an investor you keep looking at the advantage and disadvantage as you said before thinking of investing in Bitcoin then in all ramification it means you aren't serious about investing in the first place or your aren't much aware of the said investment and how it works.

Well With the little experience i have understood and witnessed in BITCOIN systems this pass few years is that people have put thier faith in BITCOIN investment only that itself is enough to boost BITCOIN investment, just as you have said the investment is not easy BITCOIN investment it selfplay with your mentality first before it give you your rewards assets.

no I disagree with you when you said bitcoin investment we play with someone mentality before giving the person rewards, for me it's not bitcoin investment you're referring to and you are going to mislead newbies with this statement you just made, because the bitcoin investment I know we never play with someone mentality before reward the person.
And the only thing I can think of that plays with someone mentality before rewarding the person is trading and not bitcoin investment.
For the fact that you have your back up funds, and you're running your bitcoin investment with your discretionary income that you don't need for long time, bitcoin investment we never play with your mentality before giving you rewards just as you said, so take note.

[Derekfunds]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

You can be aggressive as you like when comes to bitcoin purchases Aslong you have enough discretionary income to back things up , because going with money that you gonna need , like for basic needs is not a smart one at all because it will only give you more reasons to sell early and most time selling early may = to losses , there are some folks that sold their bitcoin when the prices drop to the range of $78k recently because of some certain expenses they wanna take care of and this is where emergency funds are needed because with it you be able to hold your bitcoin as long as you can, even when there might be some expenses you be able to handle them without tampering with your bitcoin investment.

Honestly speaking a friend of mine also was a victim of this to by selling his BITCOIN when he was in need for money that why i careful study my account balance before i buy any BITCOIN so that it may not affect that newbies are always advisa when investing alway use what you can afford to lost

Your friend sold his Bitcoin because he doesn't understand the principles of investing in Bitcoin because if he does he wouldn't have sold it and with what you said, if you try it, it will definitely affect you and you will also sell like that your friend premature. How will you study your account balance before you buy Bitcoin or accumulate, you are suppose to have a discretionary which you can use to invest and not from your main account and secondly your discretionary should not be in same place with your main money before you misplaced the two and run into problem. Every investment in this life has a pattern and approach to which one is suppose to follow and have you ask yourself why is that some people that don't even have a big source of income are doing absolutely well in their..., the reason is because they are following the right track and everything in life becomes easy when the right principles are applied.

[Joy- maker]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

You can be aggressive as you like when comes to bitcoin purchases Aslong you have enough discretionary income to back things up , because going with money that you gonna need , like for basic needs is not a smart one at all because it will only give you more reasons to sell early and most time selling early may = to losses , there are some folks that sold their bitcoin when the prices drop to the range of $78k recently because of some certain expenses they wanna take care of and this is where emergency funds are needed because with it you be able to hold your bitcoin as long as you can, even when there might be some expenses you be able to handle them without tampering with your bitcoin investment.

Honestly speaking a friend of mine also was a victim of this to by selling his BITCOIN when he was in need for money that why i careful study my account balance before i buy any BITCOIN so that it may not affect that newbies are always advisa when investing alway use what you can afford to lost

when they say invest what you can afford to losose in bitcoin, that doesn't mean that you should study your account balance before buying bitcoin, the reason for that statement is that since bitcoin is volatile in nature and it price can fluctuate rapidly and unpredictablely it is advicable that someone should invest what he or she can afford to loose in bitcoin, in other for them to take control over their emotions when a DIP occur in bitcoin.

And Secondly don't be like that your friend who sold his or her bitcoin investment at early stage because of the emergency that he or she needed to settle, and in othe for you to be more profitable in bitcoin investment, your bitcoin holding should be for long-term at least 4 to 10 years or there about, and also make sure to set up an emergency fund and a reserve fund in case of any unforseen circumstances, because those funds we help you tackle emergencies and expenses, to enable you build a solid investment portfolio for long term.

[Wind_FURY]

Can anyone check the Fear And Greed Index? I believe it would be as low, OR LOWER, than the low that happened during June, 2022.

 👀

To those people who are still building their Bitcoin HODL Investment and thought about waiting for a DIP/discount before adding more Bitcoins, then the current price point currently might be a very good entry.

[Pi-network314159]

It seems to me that a lot of guys here do not prioritise reading the thread or even the OP before posting here and that makes me feel very ill to respond to posts here.

well you are right but the fact is that in a thread like this you cant judge people by there post here since everyone is here to learn. so far as here is concerned everyone's opinion matters. only that some guys who joined in new may not be well knowledgeable about bitcoin but striving to learn. we all have been a newbie and pass through those stages. if you want to doubt me then check the first week of you registration and read through your posts then you will understand what i mean   how are sure you as sr member is making sense to those guys who are good in bitcoin technical? so sometimes it will be better of if we let some things be. some times if you are observant you will notice that when some post becomes too many and meaningless, even JJG skips it and go to a more reasonable post, until such user who post garbage may have improved or step up in their posting pattern or quality of their post.

Even if you do not have time to read the whole thread try as much as possible to read at least 1- 5 pages of the thread and also the last 2-3 pages before making any post. it has become obvious that some of you guys here are literally making off topic post

your statement is Apostrophic, it would have been better if you point out the person in question than reffering to no body while talking to somebody, or are you being afraid?

let me give you a glimps of what this looks like....



complaining your problem to the fucking chair instead of a human.



complaing your problem to the fucking wall. Lolz

[SilverCryptoBullet]

Can anyone check the Fear And Greed Index? I believe it would be as low, OR LOWER, than the low that happened during June, 2022.

 👀

To those people who are still building their Bitcoin HODL Investment and thought about waiting for a DIP/discount before adding more Bitcoins, then the current price point currently might be a very good entry.

There are some websites to check Bitcoin's Fear and Greed Index. Checking the index is a first step, but a second step is important by applying the advice "Be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy".

If people were greedy when others were fearful when Bitcoin dropped to $78,300, bought the dip, they would have gotten about 20% profit when Bitcoin bounced to $98,400.

Websites for checking Bitcoin's Fear and Greed Index.
https://www.bitcoinmagazinepro.com/charts/bitcoin-fear-and-greed-index/
https://charts.bitbo.io/fear-greed/

For crypto market.
https://www.coinglass.com/pro/i/FearGreedIndex
https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/fear-and-greed-index/
https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/

[Umulala-alala]

Buying Bitcoin aggressively with the fund set aside for basic is one of the step for every Bitcoiner to sell at lost price no matter the good intention s/he has and no matter how people make wrong decision with their Bitcoin investment we can only make them understand the fact about how to accumulate Bitcoin profitably because even if you're Satoshi and you provide them the right guide they will still end up following their path.

Your response is a bit contradictory to me because how do buying bitcoin aggressively a step for bitcoiners to sell at lost. Anyways while i am still trying to grasp what you are saying, i can tell you that there is no such thing as bitcoiners selling at lost price while investing aggressively but i can put it in a clearer way for you. Buying aggressively can only depend on the size of your discretionary income such that you can chose to invest all without minding how big the amount is since it is still at the level of your discretion. It can also depend on how big your income is and how little your expenditures are that will tell if you will have enough discretionary amount to invest aggressively.

Possibly you might have omitted where he said buying bitcoin with money set aside for basic needs. The key words there is ( Basic needs). I think this is why you were confused with what @Suzanne5223 was trying to say. When reading a posts, it's better we are relaxed. We should not be in haste, or high with substances as this might make us not to read through the lines. Now that I have pointed out where you missed, hope you will go back to his post and see that he was actually on track with what he saying.

You can be aggressive as you like when comes to bitcoin purchases Aslong you have enough discretionary income to back things up , because going with money that you gonna need , like for basic needs is not a smart one at all because it will only give you more reasons to sell early and most time selling early may = to losses , there are some folks that sold their bitcoin when the prices drop to the range of $78k recently because of some certain expenses they wanna take care of and this is where emergency funds are needed because with it you be able to hold your bitcoin as long as you can, even when there might be some expenses you be able to handle them without tampering with your bitcoin investment.

Honestly speaking a friend of mine also was a victim of this to by selling his BITCOIN when he was in need for money that why i careful study my account balance before i buy any BITCOIN so that it may not affect that newbies are always advisa when investing alway use what you can afford to lost

It is important we buy bitcoin from our discretionary income not from money we will be needing soon so that will we not sell out our bitcoin when we weren't supposed to sell, investing with money for family upkeep is very wrong because what we are making is long time investment, your friend wasn't investing with his discretionary income he never got the right information how bitcoin investment is it be could be that he believes that bitcoin investment is a get Richer quick investment just as ponzi, so trying to study your account balance before purchasing bitcoin shows that you are investing with your discretionary but money kept for family upkeep and it is wrong it's just like gambling/trading.

[Obari]

[edited out]

The point is, stupid or smart, whatever viewpoint a person may have in shitcoining, they would STILL too hold those profits in Bitcoin. Because what kind of mental decay is a person having if he insists that he/she should HODL a shitcoin or, Oh My God, a stupid MEMECOIN of a dog with a hat shilled by the most mentally decayed people in the cryptocurrency community.

Or they probably are not stupid. They probably sold they're memecoins at their ATH and left their "community" to HODL those worthless shitcoins.

I am not going to presume that shitcoiners are smart enough to put their value in bitcoin.  Sure some shitcoiners figure out that they need to store most of their value in bitcoin, yet many of them fall into the camp of degenerate and/or misinformed gamblers, so they end up wrongly concluding that they are not going to end up richie unless they put enough value into whatever shitcoin of the day they happen to be chasing, so almost no matter what, they will end up overallocating to various kinds of shitcoins and shit projects, and potentially even consider that wherever they are holding their value is merely temporary and rotating and sure, they may well be correct that their intention was to move it in and then move it out, yet no one wants to sell at a loss so sometimes (or perhaps frequently) they get their value locked into various pieces of shit with ongoing dilemmas regarding when to get out or even whether to put more value into their already existing shitcoins when the price is going down rather than their anticipated UP.   Getting lured into shitcoins tends to be a trap in which they suck more and more and more value out of the gullible ones who are investing into them, and so yeah, bitcoin is too boring for them, and they end up with pretty high odds of underperforming as compared to if they had just focused 90% or more of their time, energies and value on bitcoin... but they can't and they cannot control themselves, even if they might  have been intending to limit their shitcoin involvement it devolves into greater and greater and greater value and ultimate losses prior to their potentially learning their lesson (and sure not all of them learn their lesson, they stay in the world of shitcoins, dumb, trading and/or gambling).

Funny enough, a lot of people still think holding bitcoin is boring forgetting that bitcoin is king and has proven itself over time to be the hope of the common man in cryptocurrency.
Over the time, I’ve come to realize that, lack of contentment is the major reason, a lot of people would want to dive into shitcoins because they want to see a *1000 on their capital in less than one day and boom, they get stocked without getting anything.

I still wonder why someone would want to hold some shitcoins for  very long without even researching the team behind the project and all of that and still expect a huge return on their investment, that’s insane if you ask me.
Secondly, most persons see bitcoin as very expensive and impossible to invest in it because they already have a very wrong orientation and think you will have to buy a whole bitcoin to be able to hold which is wrong as the DCA  method as proven over time to be the hope of the common man allowing us to buy and hold bitcoin in any size at anytime.

In conclusion, most people who invest in shitcoin always have the intention of breezing and out with all the profits but gets trapped and confuse and most times have lots of regrets.
So to avoid regrets let’s invest in bitcoin.