Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Showlove01]

That should be true, but I think some investors who intend to hold Bitcoin in the long term also often look at Bitcoin price movements to be able to enter at the lowest price to get the best price so they can accumulate more Bitcoin and I think that's not wrong even though an investor also uses the DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin, but sometimes when the price correction is very deep, someone will change the strategy so that they can be more profitable by buying Bitcoin in larger quantities than usual.

Those who want to hold Bitcoin for the long term never look at the price. They always look at how quickly they can enrich their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they always think that the price of Bitcoin today may not be the same tomorrow. They never calculate daily profit/loss, weekly profit/loss or monthly profit/loss in this way. Their goal is long-term. They think about where they want to be in Bitcoin after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years. Today the price of Bitcoin is $115,000, if tomorrow this price drops to $100,000, then they never regret their previous purchase, but rather they choose this as a buying opportunity because the price is currently falling and they buy as aggressively as possible and increase their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they have confidence in Bitcoin, they have understood that no matter what the price of Bitcoin is today, in the long term, i.e. after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years, its price will be several times higher than its current value.
Therefore, investors who are confident in Bitcoin, i.e. Bitcoin real investors, never look at the price of Bitcoin, but when they have a reasonable income to invest in Bitcoin, they invest in Bitcoin with it. And if the price drops, they take it as an opportunity to buy, if possible, and if they have a separate fund to buy aggressively, they invest at that moment.

I think it is wrong to say that  long term holders are always looking for ways to quickly enrich there portfolio. It is mostly those with short term motive , that is those that wants to make quick profit that thinks they can be able to enrich there portfolio within a short time and  then cash out or start taking profit from there investment.
Long term holders understand the importance of consistency as regards building a better portfolio in bitcoin. Trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is majorly the behaviour or attributes of short term holders or traders

There is nothing wrong for an investor to always looks for a way to quickly increase their portfolio provided that they are doing it within their means of financial circumstances without starving the other areas of their life to achieve that, trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is not just a characteristics of a short term holder or traders as you said, we are not encouraging whinpiness but to be aggressively and persistently buying Bitcoin within our financial strength without over doing things in order to increase our portfolio, this is the motivation for every investor.

You are right any investor who has a little source of income and due to that he also has a little discretionary, such investor will be wishing and hoping to improve one day because everyone want to improve in there investment but not by going or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. There are folks that are not always contented with what they have and this folks can decide to increase or double up because of wants or unnecessary desire and this can result to selling of investment even when they are not due so even when we wish or want to..., we should be grateful and be contented with what is available.

[AYOBA]

I think most people that invest in bitcoin would always have some interest checking the situation of the market it would be hard to dispute that fact, but it’s different when someone is worried about the price market of bitcoin, knowing fully well the nature of their investment and also knowing that a long term investment is quite the best possible way to go about investing in bitcoin and to hodl for a long term purpose.

That is why the number of people investing in Bitcoin grows by the day. Since people discovered that no matter how small the amount they invested in Bitcoins, they will get some interest, everyone now prefers to invest in or accumulate Bitcoins for an extended period of time, which will undoubtedly result in greater earnings in the future. However, the only thing we need to keep in mind when investing is patience; being overly worried about the bitcoin price market will prevent our long-term investment ambitions from becoming a reality.

Perhaps if there was a possible way of locking our Bitcoin investment and just to keep buying and accumulating always, that would’ve been the possible way of keeping our Bitcoin investment safe from some temptation of always going all round to always checking the price of Bitcoin and also getting worried about the price of what the situation of market price.

Honestly, with the way overtemptation makes some people feel bad whenever they invest in Bitcoins, if there are ways to lock it up, people will not be too worried about market price fluctuations. No matter how bad the Bitcoin market becomes, they will just ignore it because they will have no business dealing with the market until the lockout period has over before they can access to their Bitcoin investments.

[cxtreenal]

That should be true, but I think some investors who intend to hold Bitcoin in the long term also often look at Bitcoin price movements to be able to enter at the lowest price to get the best price so they can accumulate more Bitcoin and I think that's not wrong even though an investor also uses the DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin, but sometimes when the price correction is very deep, someone will change the strategy so that they can be more profitable by buying Bitcoin in larger quantities than usual.

Those who want to hold Bitcoin for the long term never look at the price. They always look at how quickly they can enrich their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they always think that the price of Bitcoin today may not be the same tomorrow. They never calculate daily profit/loss, weekly profit/loss or monthly profit/loss in this way. Their goal is long-term. They think about where they want to be in Bitcoin after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years. Today the price of Bitcoin is $115,000, if tomorrow this price drops to $100,000, then they never regret their previous purchase, but rather they choose this as a buying opportunity because the price is currently falling and they buy as aggressively as possible and increase their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they have confidence in Bitcoin, they have understood that no matter what the price of Bitcoin is today, in the long term, i.e. after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years, its price will be several times higher than its current value.
Therefore, investors who are confident in Bitcoin, i.e. Bitcoin real investors, never look at the price of Bitcoin, but when they have a reasonable income to invest in Bitcoin, they invest in Bitcoin with it. And if the price drops, they take it as an opportunity to buy, if possible, and if they have a separate fund to buy aggressively, they invest at that moment.

I think it is wrong to say that  long term holders are always looking for ways to quickly enrich there portfolio. It is mostly those with short term motive , that is those that wants to make quick profit that thinks they can be able to enrich there portfolio within a short time and  then cash out or start taking profit from there investment.
Long term holders understand the importance of consistency as regards building a better portfolio in bitcoin. Trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is majorly the behaviour or attributes of short term holders or traders

There is nothing wrong for an investor to always looks for a way to quickly increase their portfolio provided that they are doing it within their means of financial circumstances without starving the other areas of their life to achieve that, trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is not just a characteristics of a short term holder or traders as you said, we are not encouraging whinpiness but to be aggressively and persistently buying Bitcoin within our financial strength without over doing things in order to increase our portfolio, this is the motivation for every investor.

You are right any investor who has a little source of income and due to that he also has a little discretionary, such investor will be wishing and hoping to improve one day because everyone want to improve in there investment but not by going or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. There are folks that are not always contented with what they have and this folks can decide to increase or double up because of wants or unnecessary desire and this can result to selling of investment even when they are not due so even when we wish or want to..., we should be grateful and be contented with what is available.

Being content with your limited resources and continuing to strive means that you are a brave person. Being content with yourself will create a mindset of further improvement in you. You have a source from which the amount of discretionary funds is very small but you have high morale to reach a higher position financially. Brave decisions will definitely make you more satisfied one day. In line with reality, I was very worried about my financial capacity even a few years ago because of the fear of closing the way of stable income due to the effect of inflation in the country. With the change of time there is a great opportunity to reach a financially comfortable position in the future by applying long term Bitcoin strategies and market analysis through the application of Bitcoin technical knowledge. Having a low source of income makes it easier for you to save energy because you want to gain more capacity by accumulating Bitcoin.

[ruykeri]

That should be true, but I think some investors who intend to hold Bitcoin in the long term also often look at Bitcoin price movements to be able to enter at the lowest price to get the best price so they can accumulate more Bitcoin and I think that's not wrong even though an investor also uses the DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin, but sometimes when the price correction is very deep, someone will change the strategy so that they can be more profitable by buying Bitcoin in larger quantities than usual.

Those who want to hold Bitcoin for the long term never look at the price. They always look at how quickly they can enrich their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they always think that the price of Bitcoin today may not be the same tomorrow. They never calculate daily profit/loss, weekly profit/loss or monthly profit/loss in this way. Their goal is long-term. They think about where they want to be in Bitcoin after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years. Today the price of Bitcoin is $115,000, if tomorrow this price drops to $100,000, then they never regret their previous purchase, but rather they choose this as a buying opportunity because the price is currently falling and they buy as aggressively as possible and increase their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they have confidence in Bitcoin, they have understood that no matter what the price of Bitcoin is today, in the long term, i.e. after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years, its price will be several times higher than its current value.
Therefore, investors who are confident in Bitcoin, i.e. Bitcoin real investors, never look at the price of Bitcoin, but when they have a reasonable income to invest in Bitcoin, they invest in Bitcoin with it. And if the price drops, they take it as an opportunity to buy, if possible, and if they have a separate fund to buy aggressively, they invest at that moment.

I think it is wrong to say that  long term holders are always looking for ways to quickly enrich there portfolio. It is mostly those with short term motive , that is those that wants to make quick profit that thinks they can be able to enrich there portfolio within a short time and  then cash out or start taking profit from there investment.
Long term holders understand the importance of consistency as regards building a better portfolio in bitcoin. Trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is majorly the behaviour or attributes of short term holders or traders

There is nothing wrong for an investor to always looks for a way to quickly increase their portfolio provided that they are doing it within their means of financial circumstances without starving the other areas of their life to achieve that, trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is not just a characteristics of a short term holder or traders as you said, we are not encouraging whinpiness but to be aggressively and persistently buying Bitcoin within our financial strength without over doing things in order to increase our portfolio, this is the motivation for every investor.

You are right any investor who has a little source of income and due to that he also has a little discretionary, such investor will be wishing and hoping to improve one day because everyone want to improve in there investment but not by going or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. There are folks that are not always contented with what they have and this folks can decide to increase or double up because of wants or unnecessary desire and this can result to selling of investment even when they are not due so even when we wish or want to..., we should be grateful and be contented with what is available.

I understand two things here that you said. Due to low income, their discretionary income is also low, so many people want to invest more to increase their discretionary income. This is a very common idea because everyone wants to invest more and increase their wealth. And I think the more aggressively you can invest in Bitcoin from your discretionary income, I think it is good. The more money you invest in Bitcoin by following DCA, the sooner you will be able to reach your desired goal. Because if the price of Bitcoin continues to increase like this, it will take more time to invest in Bitcoin, and because it takes more time, you will have to buy fewer Satoshi at a much higher price in the future. So if you can invest a little aggressively from the beginning with your discretionary income, then you will be able to achieve your goal of Bitcoin soon. And you said that there are many people who want to increase their wealth several times, so they take unnecessary risks and later lose all the money they invested. Now the reason for this may be that they are not investing with the right strategy. If someone follows DCA with discretionary income and starts buying Bitcoin regularly. Along with this, he creates an emergency fund (for 3 to 6 months) and a reserve fund, then if he has any financial problems in the future, he will be able to solve them easily. He will not have to sell his Bitcoin. If you invest in this way, the possibility of loss is greatly reduced. However, it is better not to be greedy, but if the demand increases, there is no problem. He will invest according to his needs in the right way. There is no alternative to investing in Bitcoin for a long time because investing for a long time increases the possibility of success in the future.

[Joeboy]

That should be true, but I think some investors who intend to hold Bitcoin in the long term also often look at Bitcoin price movements to be able to enter at the lowest price to get the best price so they can accumulate more Bitcoin and I think that's not wrong even though an investor also uses the DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin, but sometimes when the price correction is very deep, someone will change the strategy so that they can be more profitable by buying Bitcoin in larger quantities than usual.

Those who want to hold Bitcoin for the long term never look at the price. They always look at how quickly they can enrich their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they always think that the price of Bitcoin today may not be the same tomorrow. They never calculate daily profit/loss, weekly profit/loss or monthly profit/loss in this way. Their goal is long-term. They think about where they want to be in Bitcoin after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years. Today the price of Bitcoin is $115,000, if tomorrow this price drops to $100,000, then they never regret their previous purchase, but rather they choose this as a buying opportunity because the price is currently falling and they buy as aggressively as possible and increase their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they have confidence in Bitcoin, they have understood that no matter what the price of Bitcoin is today, in the long term, i.e. after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years, its price will be several times higher than its current value.
Therefore, investors who are confident in Bitcoin, i.e. Bitcoin real investors, never look at the price of Bitcoin, but when they have a reasonable income to invest in Bitcoin, they invest in Bitcoin with it. And if the price drops, they take it as an opportunity to buy, if possible, and if they have a separate fund to buy aggressively, they invest at that moment.

I think it is wrong to say that  long term holders are always looking for ways to quickly enrich there portfolio. It is mostly those with short term motive , that is those that wants to make quick profit that thinks they can be able to enrich there portfolio within a short time and  then cash out or start taking profit from there investment.
Long term holders understand the importance of consistency as regards building a better portfolio in bitcoin. Trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is majorly the behaviour or attributes of short term holders or traders

There is nothing wrong for an investor to always looks for a way to quickly increase their portfolio provided that they are doing it within their means of financial circumstances without starving the other areas of their life to achieve that, trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is not just a characteristics of a short term holder or traders as you said, we are not encouraging whinpiness but to be aggressively and persistently buying Bitcoin within our financial strength without over doing things in order to increase our portfolio, this is the motivation for every investor.

You are right any investor who has a little source of income and due to that he also has a little discretionary, such investor will be wishing and hoping to improve one day because everyone want to improve in there investment but not by going or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. There are folks that are not always contented with what they have and this folks can decide to increase or double up because of wants or unnecessary desire and this can result to selling of investment even when they are not due so even when we wish or want to..., we should be grateful and be contented with what is available.

Even if we are contented and grateful with what we already have, there are still times when certain emergency situations which are beyond our control may come up. And in such moments, the pressure of that situation might push us into wanting to tamper with our Bitcoin holdings just to cope with that very situation. That is exactly why it’s so very important for one to always create a backup fund, coz emergencies don’t send notice before they arrive.

[icebar]

With the change of time there is a great opportunity to reach a financially comfortable position in the future by applying long term Bitcoin strategies and market analysis through the application of Bitcoin technical knowledge. Having a low source of income makes it easier for you to save energy because you want to gain more capacity by accumulating Bitcoin.

People's sources of income are not the same for everyone. If those who have limited income if they hold Bitcoin regularly with the portion of income, then their current position may change in the future. I think that accepting Bitcoin and investing here regularly will work as a good opportunity for those who have limited income source. Those who want to change their financial situation must hold Bitcoin for the future. This can give a person financial freedom in the long run, but to reach that stage, one should definitely start investing. If you start with a small amount of discretionary income according to your ability, it is definitely possible to acquire large assets in the long run which may seem little at first.

[Moreno233]

Perhaps if there was a possible way of locking our Bitcoin investment and just to keep buying and accumulating always, that would’ve been the possible way of keeping our Bitcoin investment safe from some temptation of always going all round to always checking the price of Bitcoin and also getting worried about the price of what the situation of market price.

Honestly, with the way overtemptation makes some people feel bad whenever they invest in Bitcoins, if there are ways to lock it up, people will not be too worried about market price fluctuations. No matter how bad the Bitcoin market becomes, they will just ignore it because they will have no business dealing with the market until the lockout period has over before they can access to their Bitcoin investments.

I don't know what you mean by overtemptation but I do know that those who fail to invest only their discretionary income into Bitcoin will end up in panic when price is making a correction. You cannot have peace of mind when you invest money for your basic needs or money that is not your own into Bitcoin. This practice is not recommended for any investor because it creates fear and anxiety since the investor would want to see the investment in profits just now whereas Bitcoin have the liberty to do what it pleases. To avoid being in this terrible situation, it is always recommended to invest from your discretionary income only and also set up emergency which will help the investor take care of any urgent matters that was not planned for when calculating the allocation of the discretionary income or income for basic needs.

[Lembo69]

Perhaps if there was a possible way of locking our Bitcoin investment and just to keep buying and accumulating always, that would’ve been the possible way of keeping our Bitcoin investment safe from some temptation of always going all round to always checking the price of Bitcoin and also getting worried about the price of what the situation of market price.

Honestly, with the way overtemptation makes some people feel bad whenever they invest in Bitcoins, if there are ways to lock it up, people will not be too worried about market price fluctuations. No matter how bad the Bitcoin market becomes, they will just ignore it because they will have no business dealing with the market until the lockout period has over before they can access to their Bitcoin investments.

I don't know what you mean by overtemptation but I do know that those who fail to invest only their discretionary income into Bitcoin will end up in panic when price is making a correction. You cannot have peace of mind when you invest money for your basic needs or money that is not your own into Bitcoin. This practice is not recommended for any investor because it creates fear and anxiety since the investor would want to see the investment in profits just now whereas Bitcoin have the liberty to do what it pleases. To avoid being in this terrible situation, it is always recommended to invest from your discretionary income only and also set up emergency which will help the investor take care of any urgent matters that was not planned for when calculating the allocation of the discretionary income or income for basic needs.

You should not invest in Bitcoin any money that is allocated for your daily expenses. Invest money from your considered income. Or any money that you will not need in the next 10 years. Or if you have money that you want to keep in the bank, invest that money in Bitcoin. Or if you do not have such money, then keep investing in the DCA strategy with small amounts of money and increase your portfolio. And start investing for the long term.

Set aside some amount of money from your income source every month for investment. And keep investing slowly with that money, so that your investment will increase over time and you can also invest for the long term

[sotelorene]

That should be true, but I think some investors who intend to hold Bitcoin in the long term also often look at Bitcoin price movements to be able to enter at the lowest price to get the best price so they can accumulate more Bitcoin and I think that's not wrong even though an investor also uses the DCA strategy to accumulate Bitcoin, but sometimes when the price correction is very deep, someone will change the strategy so that they can be more profitable by buying Bitcoin in larger quantities than usual.

Those who want to hold Bitcoin for the long term never look at the price. They always look at how quickly they can enrich their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they always think that the price of Bitcoin today may not be the same tomorrow. They never calculate daily profit/loss, weekly profit/loss or monthly profit/loss in this way. Their goal is long-term. They think about where they want to be in Bitcoin after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years. Today the price of Bitcoin is $115,000, if tomorrow this price drops to $100,000, then they never regret their previous purchase, but rather they choose this as a buying opportunity because the price is currently falling and they buy as aggressively as possible and increase their Bitcoin portfolio. Because they have confidence in Bitcoin, they have understood that no matter what the price of Bitcoin is today, in the long term, i.e. after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years, its price will be several times higher than its current value.
Therefore, investors who are confident in Bitcoin, i.e. Bitcoin real investors, never look at the price of Bitcoin, but when they have a reasonable income to invest in Bitcoin, they invest in Bitcoin with it. And if the price drops, they take it as an opportunity to buy, if possible, and if they have a separate fund to buy aggressively, they invest at that moment.

I think it is wrong to say that  long term holders are always looking for ways to quickly enrich there portfolio. It is mostly those with short term motive , that is those that wants to make quick profit that thinks they can be able to enrich there portfolio within a short time and  then cash out or start taking profit from there investment.
Long term holders understand the importance of consistency as regards building a better portfolio in bitcoin. Trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is majorly the behaviour or attributes of short term holders or traders

There is nothing wrong for an investor to always looks for a way to quickly increase their portfolio provided that they are doing it within their means of financial circumstances without starving the other areas of their life to achieve that, trying to enrich one portfolio quickly is not just a characteristics of a short term holder or traders as you said, we are not encouraging whinpiness but to be aggressively and persistently buying Bitcoin within our financial strength without over doing things in order to increase our portfolio, this is the motivation for every investor.

You are right any investor who has a little source of income and due to that he also has a little discretionary, such investor will be wishing and hoping to improve one day because everyone want to improve in there investment but not by going or doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. There are folks that are not always contented with what they have and this folks can decide to increase or double up because of wants or unnecessary desire and this can result to selling of investment even when they are not due so even when we wish or want to..., we should be grateful and be contented with what is available.

Even if we are contented and grateful with what we already have, there are still times when certain emergency situations which are beyond our control may come up. And in such moments, the pressure of that situation might push us into wanting to tamper with our Bitcoin holdings just to cope with that very situation. That is exactly why it’s so very important for one to always create a backup fund, coz emergencies don’t send notice before they arrive.

You seems to misunderstood what showlove was saying,  showlove is not talking about emergency situation that can come up that we can not be able to control but I think what that dude was saying is that as an investor one have to be satisfy with the rate at which they are accumulating because everyone has their own capacity and capability and so if you try to exceed this your capacity when you can not account for it, it means you are already derailing and of course if you don't prepare and have emergency funds and backup funds ready, there will always be a problem when emergency arises.

[JayJuanGee]

The advantage of depending on bitcoin as a better alternative to the conventional banking system is far too enormous and are all centred as a means that is to your own advantage. keep $10k in the bank ten years ago and go back to get it, if the bank is still in existence and you are able to get your money, the $10k qill remain same amount with chances that such account might have been termed a dormant account that has been handed over to the government placing you at the lossing end. do same with bitcoin for that lenght of time and you can boost that you are a millionaire at the present because of the difference between bitcoin price ten years ago and what it currently is now.

You are correct that $10k into bitcoin, would have had resulted in at least a million dollars under a variety of scenarios..

We likely would not expect buying BTC at the bottom of the market, yet we could figure the range to be of BTC prices 10 years ago (in 2015) to have had been  between about $225 to $450 per BTC, so best case would have been around 44.44 BTC, and worse case would have had been 22.22 BTC... and so any of those cases would have resulted in at least $1 million valuation of the bitcoin as long as the person had sufficiently and adequately protected such BTC.

Even if a person would have had invested the $10k over two years from January 1, 2015 until December 31, 20016 (that would have had been $100 per week), and would have had resulted in right around 30 BTC.

Definitely, it is true that the difference between having $10k in a regular bank account or investing $10K in Bitcoin in 2011 is quite staggering and it really speaks to the differences cryptocurrency as a store of value can manifest.
Just reflect, that 10 years ago, had you just sat on a $10k in a bank account, inflation alone would have continually decreased the purchasing power of the money. Even then when the account is 100 percent safe, you are highly likely to end up with more or less the same amount or may be a little higher but surely nowhere near the growth that was achieved with Bitcoin.

Suppose now we go back to the early 2015 when Bitcoin was trading at between $225 and 450. If you could have anticipated and purchased in at those prices, you would have stood to gain anywhere between 22 to 44 more BTC with the same dollar investment that you had already made. Skipping ahead to the modern day where the price of the Bitcoin is climbing into the six figure range, that old stash of coins could easily be worth a million plus dollars. That obstetrically is what creates transformational wealth holding through the volatility and having the faith in the technology.
Better still is the (DCA) technique whereby you end up investing on a regular basis over a period of say two years instead of circumventing the funds at once. DCA would still have left about 30 BTC accrued, and would have eliminated the risk of perfect market timing.

Like a bot, you are largely just saying the same thing that I already said, and so we describe the history in regards to what might have had happened to a guy with $10k.. .. and sure maybe some facts like that could also inform us what to do today, even though some facts like that could inspire some guys in the opposite direction in regards to his coming to the conclusion that he is too late to be investing into bitcoin now as compared to 10 years ago, .. even though he cannot turn back the clock and surely part of the instruction of really looking into bitcoin is to learn about bitcoin and its past performance could actually trigger some folks into looking into bitcoin more than they would have if it were to not have such a spectacular price performance history.

You are correct that $10k into bitcoin, would have had resulted in at least a million dollars under a variety of scenarios..

We likely would not expect buying BTC at the bottom of the market, yet we could figure the range to be of BTC prices 10 years ago (in 2015) to have had been  between about $225 to $450 per BTC, so best case would have been around 44.44 BTC, and worse case would have had been 22.22 BTC... and so any of those cases would have resulted in at least $1 million valuation of the bitcoin as long as the person had sufficiently and adequately protected such BTC.

Even if a person would have had invested the $10k over two years from January 1, 2015 until December 31, 20016 (that would have had been $100 per week), and would have had resulted in right around 30 BTC.

Definitely, it is true that the difference between having $10k in a regular bank account or investing $10K in Bitcoin in 2011 is quite staggering and it really speaks to the differences cryptocurrency as a store of value can manifest.

It is only Bitcoin that is a store of value, all other cryptocurrencies are just shit coin invented with the intention of milking naive and greedy investor of their hard earned money, so it would be better you are specific when talking about Bitcoin, so that newbies will not start thinking that all this alt and shit coin that are all over the place in the market are reliable, not knowing that they are gambling with their money blindly thinking they are doing the right thing.

Better still is the (DCA) technique whereby you end up investing on a regular basis over a period of say two years instead of circumventing the funds at once.

Accumulating Bitcoin in the space of just two years is too small to achieve a very big stash of Bitcoin, unless your discretionary income is also huge. If someone like a low or average income earner want to accumulate Bitcoin that can be able to change his financial status forever, he has to accumulate for the minimum of 10 years, then after that period of time he can now decide how long to hold.
So  accumulating Bitcoin in the space two years is too small for and average or low coiner earner to accumulate a reasonable stash of Bitcoin that can have a major impact on his finance.

You are correct that generally speaking, a large majority of people would not be able to aggressively front load their bitcoin investment such as putting a large amount of money in a short time, such as investing $10k or even $20k over two years.

On the other hand, we were given an example of a guy who might have had invested $10k into bitcoin 10 years previously (such as in 2015), and if we are given such a scenario, we should be trying to work within the framework of the hypothetical that we have rather than just proclaiming that the hypothetical is not realistic... The fact of the matter is that there are quite a few circumstances that guys could come to bitcoin and they are not in their early 20s,  yet instead they are in their mid-30s or even mid-40s, so they may have already spent 10 years or  more attempting to build up their various investments, and so even if they might be reluctant to cash out of some of their earlier accumulated assets and to go straight into bitcoin, they might also want to formulate some form of reasonably aggressive reallocation strategy that might allow them to either transfer value from  the other assets or at least to divert assets into bitcoin.

Let's say that there is a guy with an income that is around $40k, and maybe he spent more than 10 years building up his various investments, so over 10 years, he might have had invested $40 to $60k or more into traditional investments, and his traditional investments might have also gone up in value over the past 10-ish years, in such a way that the value of his investment portfolio might be more than twice as much as he had put into it.. So a guy with $120k worth of an investment portfolio and perhaps still with an income or around $40k per year, he might want to put 10% to 25% of his investment portfolio into bitcoin, but he might have some reservations in regards to any practices that might involve across the board selling of assets in his investment portfolio, even though he might have portions of his investment portfolio that he would be more than willing to transition into bitcoin, yet not as a lump sum, but instead as a kind of frontloading form of DCA.. ..

so such a guy might be ready, willing and/or able to invest $10k, to $20k to even $40k of his $120k-ish investment portfolio into bitcoin over two years and maybe his goal would be to still end up with having $100k in his non-bitcoin investment portfolio and perhaps getting up to $40k into bitcoin, so then both his non-bitcoin and after two years of fairly aggressively investing (reallocating) into bitcoin, his bitcoin investment and his not bitcoin investment amounts would add up to $140k in total (which is presuming the movement of $20k from the non-bitcoin to the bitcoin and adding an additional $20.8k from new capital (which is merely $400 per week for 104 weeks).  This is not unrealistic for a 35 to 45 year old guy who might have had been building up his investment portfolio for 10 or more years, he might still consider himself to be relatively young in terms of his having at least a 10 year investment time horizon - perhaps even a 20 year or more investment time horizon, even though he would be glad to reach some kind of fuck you status earlier rather than later, maybe tentatively considering somthing like $80k to $100k as an annual income that he would like to be able to get from his bitcoin investment by the time he gets to a point of being able to live off of his investments (rather than having to work.. or at least being able to choose the kinds of work that he does, if any).

This kind of scenario does not seem unrealistic, even though guys might be at differing numbers. There are some guys who might even have BIGGER numbers than the scenario that I outlined, yet not everyone is in their very earliest stages of building their investment portfolio, even if they might be in the earliest of stages of adding bitcoin into the mix of their investments.

[Stable090]

You should not invest in Bitcoin any money that is allocated for your daily expenses. Invest money from your considered income. Or any money that you will not need in the next 10 years. Or if you have money that you want to keep in the bank, invest that money in Bitcoin. Or if you do not have such money, then keep investing in the DCA strategy with small amounts of money and increase your portfolio. And start investing for the long term.

If you decide to invest the amount which you going to be using for your daily expenses on bitcoin, then you not really ready to start your bitcoin investment journey, because whenever you are in need of money, you will have to go back to your wallet, and sell the bitcoin which you invested in, so to me it’s completely wrong to invest any amount which you know is going to be useful within a short period of time.

Some people don’t really know how bitcoin investment works before investing in bitcoin, immediately they hear about bitcoin, they just want to rush into it, they are just after the amount which they will earn, and they don’t always care to do research before they invest in bitcoin. If you are making investment with the amount which you will be using for your daily needs, then you should know that your investment is only going to be for short term, and you might likely not going to be in profit during that period.

[JayJuanGee]

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There may be some folks who shave off $10 here and there and they spend another $100  or $1k, and they consider it to be such a convenience, yet they are either still in their accumulation phase and/or they have not yet reached overaccumulation status, so they should be spending and replacing if they come across circumstances in which they end up spending their bitcoin prior to reaching overaccumulation status.

Surely people can do what they like.. and even imagine a guy who earns $50k per year, and he had been investing into bitcoin at $200 per week for 6 years, so he invested around $62k, and he accumulated 3 BTC, and so he is really feeling good about his whole situation.  He is still quite a bit short of reaching overaccumulation status since he would like to be able to draw an $80k per year bitcoin income, yet at the same time, he is wanting to discontinue accumulating bitcoin and he is wanting to spend some bitcoin from time to time since he does not have any other investments.  This guy might be o.k. to stop investing into bitcoin and to invest into other things, but if he starts to spend from his bitcoin too early then it might take him a bit of time to reach his own overaccumulation status., and currently it is likely that by mid-2031 around 6 years from now, even if he does not accumulate any more bitcoin, 3 BTC might be enough to be able to perpetually sustain an $80k per year income off of it.

Perhaps at some point where people reach in investment it usually seem like it’s enough if calculated from where they started based on the mere fact that it was a bit hard to make up the decision to invest in the first place hence once achieved a level of accumulation the tendency of wanting to start tempering with the investment grows, hence I agree what being able to shave of $10 while still being able to spend $100 or $1k thereafter would be more preferable if the accumulation ratio is increase based on what on can afford to do without for quite a long period of time.

The compounding power of $10 might be great in a long run and would be able to sustain one with some level of income after 4 years to 8 years or more depending on how much long one will be able to keep accumulating but at least 2 cycles consecutively yet $100 will be worth more compared with $10 after such a long period of investment, this is the absolute credibility of bitcoin not many are able to achieve.

For the guy who accumulated approximately 3 BTC he would be able to live of this accumulation in a long run but if he keeps accumulating since he is still able to work and foot his bills then the possibility of reach an absolute over accumulation stage is very much possible yet he might want to stop accumulating now and still do well if he decides to hold for 2 to 3 cycles more and 3 BTC will be worth some amount in fiat that might seem like a jackpot to those who do not see the possibilities and opportunities which bitcoin investment through any of the 3 popular methods DCA, Buying the Dips and Lump Sum which DCA is the most convenient for such goals.

Even though guys can do whatever they like, I frequently like to suggest that there could be something like a whole cycle between a guy might transition between buying bitcoin and selling bitcoin, so in my example, if I am suggesting that the guy believes that he might be able to reach his accumulation goal (by already having 3 BTC) by mid-2031, then he may well want to continue to accumulate bitcoin until mid-2027 (4 years before) or until mid-2028 (3 years before). 

But, yeah, guys have to decide how much sense such logic makes to them, and sometimes if they are not confident in their calculations they might want to keep accumulating a bit more just to have a bit more cushion.

My tentative recommendation would be to keep accumulating bitcoin until maybe the timeline for starting to withdraw from your bitcoin stash is less than 4 years from that time that you stop accumulating, which largely means no bitcoin sales (except spend and replace) until reaching overaccumulation status and if you feel like not continuing to accumulate then you could stop up to 4 years prior to your starting to withdraw, even though you could still be advantaged by continuing to accumulate.

Since the possibility of accumulating more even when one might want to stop and and hold for 4 years prior when he or she stop accumulating it’s very much likely that one with such a discipline of accumulating to such an extent would probably not stop accumulating even when they might have the feeling of reaching an overaccumulation stage hence it’s most likely to be seen in the actions of calibers in the WO from my observations however after 4 years of consistent accumulation will probably see myself in the WO being able to sustain the DCA over the years.

If you were to have 4 years of consistent accumulation, then the coins that you bought at the beginning of such accumulation would be reaching their 4 year minimum status, yet the coins that you bought in the last 1-2 years would still haver 2-3 years more that they needed to mature in order to have an age of at least 4 years of HODLing status.

I know many guys do not think about their later purchased coins causing them a need to HODL for at least 4 years, and they might be having difficulties getting out of a trading rather than an investing mentality... If any of us are considering ourselves as investors we need to have intentions to hold for 4 years for any coin that we buy.

Of course, some thing could come up that causes us to need to break our investment and to put it into a trade, meaning that we sell before 4 years, yet it seems to me that an investor is not coming to bitcoin with a HODL period of anything less than a 4 year intention, and more likely their intention would be to HODL 10 years or more, absent some age and/or health concerns that would contribute to their entertaining timeline ideas of less then 10 years but at least 4 years.

You are free to think about your bitcoin differently from me, yet I consider 4-10 years or longer to really be the way each new BTC purchase should be considered in order to maintain an investment perspective.

Of course if a person had already been in bitcoin for more than 2 cycles, he may well not be buying as much BTC as he had done historically, unless he had been in a position in which he could not buy bitcoin.. so yeah, there are possibilities that guys might invest in bitcoin for many years in relatively whimpy ways, and really ONLY be able to increase their level of aggressiveness at later points in their lives, which may well be the case for young people who might not have much of an income and who also might be ongoingly taking on expenses that relate to their training and/or their education while they are in their teens and/or 20s..

[New Judgement]

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Fair enough, and sometimes as you learn you will have questions or you might want to share your experiences, and the forum can be very helpful like that.  I am not against the idea of reading more than posting, yet the forum is not like a book, so there might be some needs to have interaction in order to attempt to get better value out of your forum participation.

Yes I just realised that lately that is why I started posting and asking questions were I am confused and also be seeking clarifications where I am confused. At the beginning it was hard for me to get started. Although one thing that prevented me from posting earlier due to the fact that I didn't have much idea of what were being discussed since it was my first time of belonging to a forum as this. I have been to different sites, but this particular one is entirely different.

I doubt that we have learning without making mistakes, and I know that I have made plenty of mistakes over my 11.5-ish years participating on the forum...

Yes Sir, mistakes are inevitable as humans. We make mistakes and also learn from our mistakes and try as much as we can to correct some of those mistakes and those we can't correct, we live with it and learn from them. You have spent reasonable number of years in this forum and you have been consistent with your participations. Not many people can be this consistent for this number of years.

[laijsica]

Perhaps if there was a possible way of locking our Bitcoin investment and just to keep buying and accumulating always, that would’ve been the possible way of keeping our Bitcoin investment safe from some temptation of always going all round to always checking the price of Bitcoin and also getting worried about the price of what the situation of market price.

Honestly, with the way overtemptation makes some people feel bad whenever they invest in Bitcoins, if there are ways to lock it up, people will not be too worried about market price fluctuations. No matter how bad the Bitcoin market becomes, they will just ignore it because they will have no business dealing with the market until the lockout period has over before they can access to their Bitcoin investments.

I don't know what you mean by overtemptation but I do know that those who fail to invest only their discretionary income into Bitcoin will end up in panic when price is making a correction. You cannot have peace of mind when you invest money for your basic needs or money that is not your own into Bitcoin. This practice is not recommended for any investor because it creates fear and anxiety since the investor would want to see the investment in profits just now whereas Bitcoin have the liberty to do what it pleases. To avoid being in this terrible situation, it is always recommended to invest from your discretionary income only and also set up emergency which will help the investor take care of any urgent matters that was not planned for when calculating the allocation of the discretionary income or income for basic needs.

You should not invest in Bitcoin any money that is allocated for your daily expenses. Invest money from your considered income. Or any money that you will not need in the next 10 years. Or if you have money that you want to keep in the bank, invest that money in Bitcoin. Or if you do not have such money, then keep investing in the DCA strategy with small amounts of money and increase your portfolio. And start investing for the long term.

Set aside some amount of money from your income source every month for investment. And keep investing slowly with that money, so that your investment will increase over time and you can also invest for the long term

Discretionary income is the amount of money left over after meeting the daily needs of the family properly. This method is excellent for investing in Bitcoin under DCA method. Buying Bitcoin in a lump sum through floating cash may be better if you are confident about investing in Bitcoin. You should invest in Bitcoin through your own decision by accheiving basic concepts and knowledge about Bitcoin and refrain from making decisions against the wishes of others. You are completely responsible for your assets, so you should use your own discretion in making the right decisions.

Bitcoin is a volatile asset that can pump or dump its price at any time, so it should be deposit as discretionary income for investment. Real assets are needed to survive in the future and at the same time, buying Bitcoin to protect your assets from the risk of inflation may be a excellent decision for you.

[Tamaperdana]

With the change of time there is a great opportunity to reach a financially comfortable position in the future by applying long term Bitcoin strategies and market analysis through the application of Bitcoin technical knowledge. Having a low source of income makes it easier for you to save energy because you want to gain more capacity by accumulating Bitcoin.

People's sources of income are not the same for everyone. If those who have limited income if they hold Bitcoin regularly with the portion of income, then their current position may change in the future. I think that accepting Bitcoin and investing here regularly will work as a good opportunity for those who have limited income source. Those who want to change their financial situation must hold Bitcoin for the future. This can give a person financial freedom in the long run, but to reach that stage, one should definitely start investing. If you start with a small amount of discretionary income according to your ability, it is definitely possible to acquire large assets in the long run which may seem little at first.

Yes, even people with small incomes would certainly find it beneficial to invest in Bitcoin. Basically, if you can consistently invest in Bitcoin, even if the initial accumulation is small, if accumulated regularly over 10 years or more, it will certainly yield excellent results.

But there's one thing I want to clarify here. While it's true that Bitcoin is a powerful investment asset and holds enormous potential for the future, we shouldn't assume that simply owning Bitcoin will guarantee us financial freedom. While that assumption isn't inherently wrong, it's far better to also continually hone our existing skills. In my opinion, Bitcoin investors who possess other valuable skills, whether in business or other income-generating activities, will be much closer to achieving financial freedom in the future.

But this is just my opinion. Furthermore, when it comes to financial freedom, some people may have differing perspectives on the matter. So, my assumptions may or may not make sense to you.

[Silikiem]

Some people don’t really know how bitcoin investment works before investing in bitcoin, immediately they hear about bitcoin, they just want to rush into it, they are just after the amount which they will earn, and they don’t always care to do research before they invest in bitcoin.

I think the most important thing here is for them who are desirous to venture into bitcoin investment is to be able to figure out a discretionary income and get started first in accumulating bitcoin. If a person is able to figure out a discretionary income to invest in bitcoin I think the person is good to go ahead with bitcoin accumulation first, he mustn’t waste time doing an extra more research about bitcoin when he has the discretionary income available to accumulate because all what the person needs especially as a newbie to accumulate with is just a discretionary income. Let’s be realistic , a newbie is and will always be newbie and there’s no amount of research work done will make him a pro in an investment that’s so unpredictable due to its volatile nature like bitcoin, he can never have everything perfect or have a proper understanding unless he get involved in it, even most of the investors who are old in bitcoin investment are still finding it difficult to really grab everything in bitcoin, and it’s quite obvious that the person already had a basic knowledge about bitcoin or might have heard of bitcoin before he decides to venture into it. I think there’s every opportunity, time and space for the person who already started in accumulating bitcoin and hodl to also be able to do the extra research works, learning and unlearn while already in accumulation and hold. Along the line, as he’s accumulating and hodl bitcoin for the long term goal, he will be able to spot out some of his mistakes and also try to make some corrections and adjust in the long run of a long term investment strategy.

[JayJuanGee]

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Yes Sir, mistakes are inevitable as humans. We make mistakes and also learn from our mistakes and try as much as we can to correct some of those mistakes and those we can't correct, we live with it and learn from them. You have spent reasonable number of years in this forum and you have been consistent with your participations. Not many people can be this consistent for this number of years.

Sure.  Sometimes it can take time to respond to various posts or to follow several threads.. ... Some of my ideas about bitcoin have changed through the years too, so sometimes there might be more repetition in my posts than I would wish to have... which may be one of the reasons for my putting some of my ideas in my investment ideas thread and in my sustainable withdrawal thread so that I can refer back to some of those posts (Including the sustainable withdrawal tool and the fuck you status chart).. and yeah, I don't have too many threads on the forum so far, as compared with some of the other forum members who have been writing/posting on the forum for several years, so guys have differing areas of interest, too...

[Tungbulu]

My tentative recommendation would be to keep accumulating bitcoin until maybe the timeline for starting to withdraw from your bitcoin stash is less than 4 years from that time that you stop accumulating, which largely means no bitcoin sales (except spend and replace) until reaching overaccumulation status and if you feel like not continuing to accumulate then you could stop up to 4 years prior to your starting to withdraw, even though you could still be advantaged by continuing to accumulate.

Since the possibility of accumulating more even when one might want to stop and and hold for 4 years prior when he or she stop accumulating it’s very much likely that one with such a discipline of accumulating to such an extent would probably not stop accumulating even when they might have the feeling of reaching an overaccumulation stage hence it’s most likely to be seen in the actions of calibers in the WO from my observations however after 4 years of consistent accumulation will probably see myself in the WO being able to sustain the DCA over the years.

If you were to have 4 years of consistent accumulation, then the coins that you bought at the beginning of such accumulation would be reaching their 4 year minimum status, yet the coins that you bought in the last 1-2 years would still haver 2-3 years more that they needed to mature in order to have an age of at least 4 years of HODLing status.

I know many guys do not think about their later purchased coins causing them a need to HODL for at least 4 years, and they might be having difficulties getting out of a trading rather than an investing mentality... If any of us are considering ourselves as investors we need to have intentions to hold for 4 years for any coin that we buy.

Of course, some thing could come up that causes us to need to break our investment and to put it into a trade, meaning that we sell before 4 years, yet it seems to me that an investor is not coming to bitcoin with a HODL period of anything less than a 4 year intention, and more likely their intention would be to HODL 10 years or more, absent some age and/or health concerns that would contribute to their entertaining timeline ideas of less then 10 years but at least 4 years.

You are free to think about your bitcoin differently from me, yet I consider 4-10 years or longer to really be the way each new BTC purchase should be considered in order to maintain an investment perspective.

Of course if a person had already been in bitcoin for more than 2 cycles, he may well not be buying as much BTC as he had done historically, unless he had been in a position in which he could not buy bitcoin.. so yeah, there are possibilities that guys might invest in bitcoin for many years in relatively whimpy ways, and really ONLY be able to increase their level of aggressiveness at later points in their lives, which may well be the case for young people who might not have much of an income and who also might be ongoingly taking on expenses that relate to their training and/or their education while they are in their teens and/or 20s..

I find your perspective on investing in Bitcoin with a long term hold strategy to be very much agreeable and spot on. When investors approach Bitcoin investment with a long term perspective, this significantly impacts their mindset as well as their strategy, as they're automatically placed in a better position to choose a much better plan and strategy that'll help them effectively navigate through the complexities of investing in Bitcoin and also avoid much distractions and overreactions due to the short term reactions of the market, as they can potentially ride out these short term market fluctuations and also avoid making impulsive decisions.

When investors develop and maintain a long term approach, their focus automatically shifts from seeking for short term gains to the potentials for Bitcoin's value to grow and increase in the long term. And very importantly, individuals should also at all times consider their unique financial situations, their investment goals, as well as their risk tolerance level as these would help them choose a more suitable investment strategy that'll align with their set goals. And for younger investors, or those investors that have a limited income, it'll be more feasible for them to start investing with a small amount with a flexible strategy, and then with time, gradually increase their investment amount as their income increases. This is a great way to build a more stable foundation for long term investment.

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Yes Sir, mistakes are inevitable as humans. We make mistakes and also learn from our mistakes and try as much as we can to correct some of those mistakes and those we can't correct, we live with it and learn from them. You have spent reasonable number of years in this forum and you have been consistent with your participations. Not many people can be this consistent for this number of years.

Sure.  Sometimes it can take time to respond to various posts or to follow several threads.. ... Some of my ideas about bitcoin have changed through the years too, so sometimes there might be more repetition in my posts than I would wish to have... which may be one of the reasons for my putting some of my ideas in my investment ideas thread and in my sustainable withdrawal thread so that I can refer back to some of those posts (Including the sustainable withdrawal tool and the fuck you status chart).. and yeah, I don't have too many threads on the forum so far, as compared with some of the other forum members who have been writing/posting on the forum for several years, so guys have differing areas of interest, too...

It's absolutely normal for ideas to evolve overtime, and honestly, repetition can actually turn out to be a natural part of the process as one refines their thoughts. When one organises their ideas on a specific thread like this one, it helps one easily track their progress and always refer back to key concepts too

The threads you mentioned above such as the sustainable withdrawal tool and the fuck you status chart are both very valuable resources that offers a more vivid guidelines for investors hoping for a better way to manage their finances effectively and also achieve financial independence through Bitcoin investment.

[Bluedrem]

Sure.  Sometimes it can take time to respond to various posts or to follow several threads.. ... Some of my ideas about bitcoin have changed through the years too, so sometimes there might be more repetition in my posts than I would wish to have... which may be one of the reasons for my putting some of my ideas in my investment ideas thread and in my sustainable withdrawal thread so that I can refer back to some of those posts (Including the sustainable withdrawal tool and the fuck you status chart).. and yeah, I don't have too many threads on the forum so far, as compared with some of the other forum members who have been writing/posting on the forum for several years, so guys have differing areas of interest, too...

To be honest, I have learned a lot from here for investing in Bitcoin. I was involved in Bitcoin even before joining the forum. At that time, I often made mistakes in investing in Bitcoin. Even though the price of Bitcoin increased significantly, I could not profit from it in any way because when the price of Bitcoin kept falling, I would panic and sell my Bitcoin thinking that later when the price would decrease further, I would be able to buy more Bitcoin with this current money. When the price was low, I would wait for the price to decrease further, then if the price of Bitcoin increased, then I would have to buy Bitcoin with more money again. At that time, I did not know much about the effectiveness of DCA.
Since the day I came to this thread, I used to follow your answers the most and could learn a lot.
For example, a person cannot invest in Bitcoin if he only has a fixed income. I want a discretionary income for investment which comes from the extra money left after fulfilling all basic needs.
How to invest in DCA with discretionary income for a week/month. As a result, if we calculate the average price of Bitcoin from the day of starting DCA to the last day of investment, the average price is much lower than the price of Bitcoin on the last day. As a result, most of the time there is a high expectation of getting profit from that Bitcoin.
Thank you JJG for coming to this thread and informing people like us with small income about the right ways to invest in Bitcoin.

[JayJuanGee]

Sure.  Sometimes it can take time to respond to various posts or to follow several threads.. ... Some of my ideas about bitcoin have changed through the years too, so sometimes there might be more repetition in my posts than I would wish to have... which may be one of the reasons for my putting some of my ideas in my investment ideas thread and in my sustainable withdrawal thread so that I can refer back to some of those posts (Including the sustainable withdrawal tool and the fuck you status chart).. and yeah, I don't have too many threads on the forum so far, as compared with some of the other forum members who have been writing/posting on the forum for several years, so guys have differing areas of interest, too...

To be honest, I have learned a lot from here for investing in Bitcoin. I was involved in Bitcoin even before joining the forum. At that time, I often made mistakes in investing in Bitcoin. Even though the price of Bitcoin increased significantly, I could not profit from it in any way because when the price of Bitcoin kept falling, I would panic and sell my Bitcoin thinking that later when the price would decrease further, I would be able to buy more Bitcoin with this current money. When the price was low, I would wait for the price to decrease further, then if the price of Bitcoin increased, then I would have to buy Bitcoin with more money again. At that time, I did not know much about the effectiveness of DCA.
Since the day I came to this thread, I used to follow your answers the most and could learn a lot.
For example, a person cannot invest in Bitcoin if he only has a fixed income. I want a discretionary income for investment which comes from the extra money left after fulfilling all basic needs.
How to invest in DCA with discretionary income for a week/month. As a result, if we calculate the average price of Bitcoin from the day of starting DCA to the last day of investment, the average price is much lower than the price of Bitcoin on the last day. As a result, most of the time there is a high expectation of getting profit from that Bitcoin.
Thank you JJG for coming to this thread and informing people like us with small income about the right ways to invest in Bitcoin.

I am glad that you are finding ways to improve your bitcoin investment techniques, and hopefully improving your cash management skills and practices too.  Many of us can feel like geniuses when the BTC price is going up (and reaching new ATHs), yet it frequently takes a whole cycle or longer to really start to feel more solid in regards to the bitcoin that we may have had been building up, and there still could be periods in which the BTC holdings of the newer guys are in the negative for many months and sometimes even for 2-3 years or more.  

So building a bitcoin investment portfolio can take a long time before we really start to feel comfortable in regards to the bitcoin and also other aspects of our cashflow management systems and practices that we might have had been building and strengthening for years (and making some mistakes along the way, too). .