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April 21, 2019, 11:11:32 AM
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Over the past few days I've seen a lot of YoBit signature wearing accounts breaking several rules like:


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Obviously the posts can be reported and left to be judged by the Bitcointalk moderators but there is no way to can amount of spam we've seen over the past few days (and I suspect it will only get worse).

So my question is: Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam? Obviously, a simple slip up is completely forgivable. I'm talking about the obvious spammers/account farmers.

Please do not turn this into another discussion about DT, Lauda, trust abuse or extortions.

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April 21, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
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as long as You see them breaking any rules report them and let the Mods do their job, It's up to them whether they want to Tag or not. they know how to deal with this kind of situation, Mods are Mods for a reason they are the Saviour of this forum. These spammers are nothing to them.

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April 21, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
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If they are breaking rules then it should handle by moderators. And seems they are breaking rules as well. I don't think trust system should use for spammers. Personally I am not encourage to tag them. Also report their post isn't easy task. Lots of people's already joined their campaign.

How it will be if admin disable Yobit link from signature? So no one could wear that signature with link.

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April 21, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
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No. Trust is for things that aren't handled by forum rules, such as promoting a scam exchange or Ponzi.

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I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!".
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- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.
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I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!".
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- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.


I'm not talking about disagreeing with anyone. I doubt the moderators can handle this amount of spam (especially if everyone starts reporting posts).

No. Trust is for things that aren't handled by forum rules, such as promoting a scam exchange or Ponzi.

Plenty of DT1/DT2 tend to tag other people "to protect the community" so I was wondering what their opinions are on these spammers continiously breaking the forum rules on purpose. I personally wouldn't use the trust system for it.

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April 21, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
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Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine.

Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed.
If Yobit (this time) is really an advocate of quality posts in their campaign they'll be following on their own rule on removing participants who have received negative feedback in the forum no matter  what the DT's negative feedback is. You'll be helping Yobit avoid having participants abusing the 20 paid post daily (140 posts a week) by adding more shitty content in the forum.



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However if participants part of Yobit if not tagged from their spam will most likely be tagged by being part of the Yobit campaign itself. Yobit as an exchange has a bad reputation already in the forum and is not trusted anymore, all of their negative feedback in the forum are all left unresolved before they got inactive for a long time. So I expect that a lot of DT members would be easy to hand out negative feedbacks to participants wearing their signature. Some DT members already have given their warning about the campaign so I won't even think twice of removing their signature just to risk my reputation in the forum.

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Doing this would be very harmful to the forum. You should let the moderators do their job.

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Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam?
Based on the rules you have listed (which I agree are being regularly and frequently broken) - no. Moderation and bans are separate from the trust system and negative ratings. Being a spammer doesn't make you inherently untrustworthy per se, and although many people will be less likely to trust spammers, they don't deserve red trust for this reason alone.

However, there is another point to be raised. There have been many accounts tagged by a variety of DT members in the past for promoting known scams in their signatures - everything from exchanges, to ICOs, to vanity address generators, to legal services. I have not spent a great deal of time reading in to it, but from what I have read, it seems that everyone who isn't part of the YoBit campaign agrees that YoBit is a scam. I'm not saying campaign participants should be red trusted for this, but it is a separate and potentially more serious issue than simply wanting to tag them for being spammers.

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April 21, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
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Basically trust system is not design to tag spammer.

Trust system being made for scammer ( trading purpose )

Only moderator that able to punish the spammer by banning them all.

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Obviously the posts can be reported and left to be judged by the Bitcointalk moderators but there is no way to can amount of spam we've seen over the past few days (and I suspect it will only get worse).
Just report them as much as you can and and fast as you can. This is a good time to uprage your report count to a maximum with your keen eyes and reporting abilities. I am also doing the same.

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So my question is: Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam? Obviously, a simple slip up is completely forgivable. I'm talking about the obvious spammers/account farmers.
Tagging people for spamming is not what theymos wasts DT members to do. Whoever wants to do so is free to do that keeping their DT status at risk. What can be done is a proper gathering of evidence to around YoBit being a shady exchange - if at all that is true, which I also dont know for sure other than that they list all the shitcoins that get released. That should be enough to make people move on from their exchange's signature campaign in fear of red trust on their account for promoting such an exchange.

Maybe DT can reach a consensus about whether to consider YoBit as a normal or shady exchange with consideration of all the facts revolving around them.

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April 21, 2019, 03:09:52 PM
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Accusations to Yobit so far weren't really proven apart those altcoins that can't be withdrawn from their exchange due to the outdated blockchain/wallet on their side. AS far as I know this can be resolved through the support as I have solved mine before which I eventually withdraw BTC. There were people who had been in their campaign since 2014 - I think the user Gabmen was one of them.

Yobit campaign status was CFNP since last 2017 which there are fewer users only promoting yobit up to 2019 of March. This month of April 2019, they opened their campaign for new participants now a lot of you complains about it?

 
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April 21, 2019, 03:15:36 PM
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Do you think it is justifiable to leave negative feedback for spamming in the Yobit campaign (and other campaigns alike) to render them useless for future spam?[/b]
No.  Some of us tried this before the merit system was implemented and Theymos did not approve, and it isn't a good use of the trust system.  Doesn't matter if the circumstances have changed with Yobit's new campaign, because that actually isn't anything new.  True, they haven't had a campaign running in a while but they did before--and with the same campaign rules.

Reporting spam/shitposts to the mods is the best way to handle this IMO, even though that's going to be a hell of a lot of reporting.  Believe me, I would love to tag these idiots but that's what we have the merit system for.

Tagging people for spamming is not what theymos wasts DT members to do. Whoever wants to do so is free to do that keeping their DT status at risk.
Right.  And I doubt any DT member who starts tagging people for their post quality is going to stay on DT for long.  As far as determining whether  Yobit is a scam exchange or not, there's been some discussion already.  My own opinion is that they're not a scam exchange and their campaign participants should not be tagged.  Yobit definitely has some problems and has had a ton of complaints, but that's true of a lot of crypto businesses.  Cryptsy was a scam.  Mt. Gox was a scam.  Other exchanges have scammed.  Yobit is not on that list, IMO.

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April 21, 2019, 03:16:14 PM
Last edit: April 21, 2019, 03:27:54 PM by AdolfinWolf
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It doesn’t matter whether you tag them or not - yobit doesn’t seem to care.
Even though they said redtrusted users weren’t accepted into the campaign, this rule is not actually enforced. (I mean, who would’ve thought, it’s yobit, right?)

As long as your account isn’t banned, you’re invited to the party to make some serious dough!

How long does it take to see the results on the Yobit website?


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It updates every 3-4 hours but sometimes it might took 5 hours. For me, it updates 4 hrs and 30 minutes to 5 hours. But, still it updates you just need to wait.
User tagged by DT getting paid for his posts.^

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April 21, 2019, 03:17:18 PM
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If they are breaking the rules, report the post and lets the mods handle it. It is not your job to decide whether they are breaking the rules or not.

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April 21, 2019, 03:24:32 PM
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Afaik, tagging at trust-feedback only for users who broke the trust rules (in general behavior): what happened, who is he/her, and how it happens; especially for trading, monetary and security system. And DT members work in this area.

For the user who broke some forum rules. I think it's clear enough that users should get sanction/punishment, terma/permaban from the forum. And this is moderator should do so.




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April 21, 2019, 03:26:49 PM
Last edit: April 21, 2019, 03:44:06 PM by YOSHIE
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I think now that spam are increasing, from various posts in the forum, Signature, Yobit will take a lot of victims, from accounts that are suddenly blocked, red trust, With post spam, scamer, alleged deposit process by users, to data manipulation graphics, etc.
This often happens in parts.
Discussion of Bitcoin, Economy, Altcoin discussion, Off-topic, sales exchanges, trade etc.
various other things, which are often seen appear.


On the Bitcointalk forum for example, which you can see for yourself on the topic (Scam Accusations), was posted on a post that revealed the same thing.



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April 21, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
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I am not in favor of tagging spammers too. Same reason, it wasn't meant for that.

We should rather encourage members to report each spam post they see. It would be hard as we can't please everybody, but it will be good for the forum if ever. You are worried about mods being unable to handle the reports, it seems like they can still handle them atm. When the time comes that they can't I think theymos will make a way.

 
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April 21, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
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Even most of the DT members says it is not appropriate to tag spammer because DT system is not meant for spammers.

If you find spammers just use Report to Moderator button which is the right thing if we want to clear spams.If we tag spammers then most of the bounty participants were spammers so we are going to tag them all?

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April 21, 2019, 04:47:53 PM
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All campaigns that require a certain amount of post each week could be seen as adding more spam  to this forum, Yobit campaign is paying people without the need to reach a certain amount of posts how great is that. They also never said that you should post the max amount of post they are willing to pay and when Yobit did announce the relaunch of the signature they directly added some extra rules to this campaign so they did thought about the problems from the last signature campaign.

It's never good to judge about a whole group of people when some individuals are the main problem, in each campaign you will find rotten apples and if people go to far you have always the forum mods and staff that can kick/block people from joining a specific campaign.



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Poor quality and unconstructive posts will not be tolerated on this campaign. You don't need to write an essay with each post but one word replies in spammy off topic threads or streams of constant half-assed one liners will immediately get you removed. Please just put some effort in to your posts and you'll be fine.

Users with negative feedback from defaulttrust members are no longer permitted on the campaign. If you sign up you will be removed.

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