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April 30, 2019, 08:39:43 AM
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Corruption. I mean in my ideal society I hope there is no corruption there are so many people that have no job because of this corruption in the government. Transparency of financial of society that is more effective when they do this, almost everyone will be in peace knowing that they know where the money spend.
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April 30, 2019, 12:26:32 PM
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IMO the ideal society is very similar to the one US ranchers live in. You buy a piece of land, build a fence and have all the right to protect it that includes shooting thieves, building whatever structure you like, spending your money the way you want. To me this is the definition of freedom. What I don't like about the EU laws is prevention instead of punishment. You are fined and prosecuted for attempting to do something, instead of being punished for doing it, which violates your basic right of choice.
I had enough of living in a society where you can get fined or jailed for protecting yourself from an assault or theft and even for cutting down a tree on your own land.

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April 30, 2019, 02:27:01 PM
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Ideal society would be that everyone has their basic needs met. 

-free housing
-free food
-free school
-free healthcare

Its disturbing that America has more vacant houses than homeless people.  Its a very big problem when there are investors buying multiple homes just to let them sit empty.  I don't believe the free market should be involved with something that you need to live.
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April 30, 2019, 08:47:15 PM
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For me, justice, freedom, clean government and freedom of belief makes a good society. Nothing is more better than living free with nothing to worry about because you have a just and good government society. No worry if I pray everywhere without being persecuted for my religion and belief.

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April 30, 2019, 09:41:47 PM
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I will just throw this question here. I wish to hear what people have to say, your thoughts. Wrote couple words if you want, if you thought about it more than others give us more details. I bet there are people who never thought about it, but for sure someone did, let`s hear you.


Thought experiment: all of last year's bitcoin history just happened in a parallel universe, and you all have no access to the main blockchain.
You do have the source code, and are free to start/join any blockchain you'd like.

Which block chain would you invest in? (What characteristics would you tweak from the current main blockhain?)
In fact, I guess you should keep a portfolio of coins from several different blockchains. How would you allocate that portfolio?

The main tweakable characteristic of the current chain is it's maturation time: Let's call 21,000,000 bitcoin 1 Megatoshi.
Then, the key difference between the chains is the "Megatoshi half life": the current chain has a half life of about four years - every four years the number of bitcoins not yet generated is halved. How would you diverge your portfolio in this respect? Would there be sense in investing in different blockchains with the same half life and other characteristics, or will there be only a few different chains, and no two chains will have the same intrinsic characteristics?

Note that this has a real impact on the potential growth of your chain - too short a half life (like 10 minutes) means that all the coins are generated too fast, the public doesn't have enough time to join, and your coins will essentially be worthless. A half life of a millenia means nobody can generated hardly any coin, and your coins are again worthless.

Four years seems like a magic number (another credit to Satoshi's brilliance), but I'm wondering if in this thought experiment you would want to diversify at all. Perhaps even in this case the masses will converge into a single block chain, simply for the added security in masses that the dominant blockchain conveys.

One that is for the people, by the people

1. one with decentralized voting built into it, so we can vote on issues rather voting people to vote for us. (unlimited jobs created for when robots take over, universal basic income)
2. one where the tx fees go to support global projects (garbage,hospitals,self sustaining farms, back up housing for the people in natural disasters,food for the working class, gas for the working class and the decentralized voting allows us the people to say where our taxes go)
3. one with a fairly distributed supply (weather it be equal hashing power to all users on the network or duration dispensed into unique address verified by picture and fingerprint via file sharing, we can use populations? if don`t unite and people still want government instead of changing their own diapers)
4. one with a built in exchange p2p trading(these banks getting "hacked" then getting bailed out by other banks or governments need to stop)
5. one that people would not trade for the current fiat because it is the new fiat (I will be the first to accept it for food on my farm cherries,peaches etc AKA "the bitcoin pizza")
6. one that does leave our future generations enslaved because we mined it all before them (we all should start the race equally no matter if we are born later in life, bitcoin is a 100% premine to anyone being born after 2025 pretty much and watch the ending of huntercoin on youtube the simulation of what happens, at a 100m dash race do you start early because you showed up early?)
7. one that is not another mans money supply, but everyone creates the supply so it is everyone's (FREEDOM)
8. one that is not so harsh on the environment and power usage but instead uses the power for a good use and does not create waste (the power in btc could feed millions)
9. one that the united nations united to become the "united nation" to create because they are the people to do this and make it work slowly I mean they got unlimited funds already. (and no one needs to give up anything they already own)
10. I would not need another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvuN_WvF1to
I guess us Germans can put it behind and forgive you to  Grin, Water under the bridge brothers.
Oh, Can we also allow woman to not be forced to wear a shirt over their nipples I mean equality #freetheboob2020 come on there is African tribes that seem fine without that silly law. Plus boobs release stress just by looking at them.  Grin There would be a lot less people doing church shootings or blowing up mosque and synagogues if they were looking at some boobs on the drive over. I mean that should be up to the ladies if they want to show them or not, just like us men can. Well lets take a public poll!

I would give half of my income to satoshi each time I got some or earned some, he or she or them deserve it, they gave the bankers and governments a out, no one needs to die, and we can start focusing on space exploration that is another unlimited job or what were going to do when that sun burns out. Instead us killing each other we can take on problems like a alien invasion, climate change, space exploration, poverty, homelessness, sea exploration, building back up housing for when a hurricane hits. We already have a common enemy new world order, it is the sun burning out on us and natural disasters!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135915.0 refer to this post for the solutions no I am not trying get you to buy anything, just look at the tech and think about. We are all the same species and same race, us Humans need to work together.

You ever see how land is created? A real fountain, One where the bottom gets reinforced before the top, trickle up economics, the top never falls then like a game of jenga that ends the same way everytime, just look at history  Roll Eyes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIdUkfgt64 This is how land is made.


 

Something like this, Where your vote actually matters. People unite and respect the 51% rule even if they vote against something. Otherwise they are free to leave the system.
Instead of the money system as we know it, we have a fairly disturbed currency for once, not just for people who got in early. Even people being born later in life should be able to obtain wealth from nature. When we start a 100m race everyone starts at the same time not because they showed up early. One where all people are all given a fair chance to enterprise.
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April 30, 2019, 10:08:23 PM
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May 01, 2019, 02:38:00 PM
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For me, justice, freedom, clean government and freedom of belief makes a good society. Nothing is more better than living free with nothing to worry about because you have a just and good government society. No worry if I pray everywhere without being persecuted for my religion and belief.
Yes and all this boil down to good governance where the welfare of the citizens is put as the first priority of the government and creating an enabling environment for entrepreneur which will lead to development and good security. An ideal society can never be achieve without the ruling class be able to embrace good and a corruption free government administration.
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May 01, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
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It's not possible for such life to exist, but an ideal world will be gentle, loving and caring) There will be peace, harmony and increase in love towards each other. We humans are the crimes, the sins, the evil deeds.. We're too evil and incomplete to ever create such a beautiful world)
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May 01, 2019, 05:14:35 PM
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the ideal society is the one where one has the most power, money and wealth and is not bored.

so there will never be an ideal society for all at the same time.

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May 02, 2019, 08:33:39 AM
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I really do like tribes and their culture. Basically that is my ideal kind of society.

Tribes get something from nature and always do returns the favor.

Tribes are helping individuals from their community to keep the foundation solid.

In short what I also want is a respectful and helping community who actually lives in good harmony.


the ideal society is the one where one has the most power, money and wealth and is not bored.

so there will never be an ideal society for all at the same time.

That is not what all the people wants. Basically that is your ideal society that you cannot lived on. Be realistic
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May 07, 2019, 01:40:18 AM
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A common response for these types of questions is usually one that involves everyone being on a level playing field, having enough money and resources to live comfortably, in a world without war, hunger or violence. While these ideas sound good on paper, we have seen through history how attempting to run a nation this way, let alone an entire world, is dangerous and does not end well.

People tend to overlook the benefits of having inequalities in society, to have the "haves" and "have nots", of having war and violence.
If everyone could be a "have", and live comfortably and peacefully no matter their job or education level, there would be no drive for self-improvement, and no motivation to climb the ranks and be successful. It is this this drive to succeed that gives us innovation and improvement.
To live with the dangers of not succeeding as essential, as fear, whether it is fear of powerful nations, to fear of hunger, that drives and motivates.

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May 07, 2019, 02:39:28 PM
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A common response for these types of questions is usually one that involves everyone being on a level playing field, having enough money and resources to live comfortably, in a world without war, hunger or violence. While these ideas sound good on paper, we have seen through history how attempting to run a nation this way, let alone an entire world, is dangerous and does not end well.

People tend to overlook the benefits of having inequalities in society, to have the "haves" and "have nots", of having war and violence.
If everyone could be a "have", and live comfortably and peacefully no matter their job or education level, there would be no drive for self-improvement, and no motivation to climb the ranks and be successful. It is this this drive to succeed that gives us innovation and improvement.
To live with the dangers of not succeeding as essential, as fear, whether it is fear of powerful nations, to fear of hunger, that drives and motivates.

Interesting opinion.
I think that people focus to much on personal comfort and satisfaction, to fulfill personal wishes, well-being etc.
We should also focus on the community and family as well.
Important things in life are also personal security, happiness, to find meaning in life, live for the sake of others etc.
If more people will live in such way we will gradually create ideal society.



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May 07, 2019, 11:42:00 PM
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For me, the ideal society is the current society. As I am living in  India and it is quite well developing right now from both education and economic aspects. Maybe I cannot compete with the world but I can actually learn whatever I want and that separates me from all the other kids in my locality who are just following orders from their parents and teachers but I can do whatever I want. I have the freedom and I used it to get more and more knowledge.
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Justice and Mercy. Specially here in our country it feels like Justice is wanted it is always missing. There a lot of people committing crimes but they throw innocent people in prison.

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May 08, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
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An ideal world should be a much more helping, friendly environment compared to today's society. Where all individuals have the tendency to be rude, competitive, selfish, judgmental and hostile. In an ideal world, the majority of these tendencies would not exist at all)
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There are only ideals but no utopias. It's pretty much impossible with the way we are being humans. Many tried and failed horribly to bring about a "perfect society".

I ain't asking for much but these would be the minimum for me.

1. Property rights - a person should be able to keep what he worked for not taxed excessively.
2. Equal rights - everyone have the same legal rights. No special privileges for being a member of a certain ethnicity or religion.
3. Decent public healthcare and education - it don't even have to be completely free but it would good to have some safety net.

A common response for these types of questions is usually one that involves everyone being on a level playing field, having enough money and resources to live comfortably, in a world without war, hunger or violence. While these ideas sound good on paper, we have seen through history how attempting to run a nation this way, let alone an entire world, is dangerous and does not end well.

People tend to overlook the benefits of having inequalities in society, to have the "haves" and "have nots", of having war and violence.
If everyone could be a "have", and live comfortably and peacefully no matter their job or education level, there would be no drive for self-improvement, and no motivation to climb the ranks and be successful. It is this this drive to succeed that gives us innovation and improvement.
To live with the dangers of not succeeding as essential, as fear, whether it is fear of powerful nations, to fear of hunger, that drives and motivates.

Equality in opportunities, not outcome. Inequality will always be present, even in places when people claim to be against it.

I think what matters is the degree of inequality. When you have only a small amount of the population living comfortably and the rest is miserable, then there's something wrong. Either the majority is being exploited or the elite has found a resource to exploit and kept it all to themselves. I always see Americans complain about inequality. They've probably never been to the more destitute parts of Asia or Africa to see what inequality is.
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Ideal society would be that everyone has their basic needs met. 

-free housing
-free food
-free school
-free healthcare
This sounds good, but creates disincentives to work and be a productive member of society. If all of these needs are met, why would someone work?

Providing all of the above is not only expensive, but it will lead to very few people having adequate of the above because there are not enough people working to produce the above.


Its disturbing that America has more vacant houses than homeless people.  Its a very big problem when there are investors buying multiple homes just to let them sit empty.  I don't believe the free market should be involved with something that you need to live.
In general, few people will intentionally have their property sitting vacant. Most people who invest in real estate will attempt to find tenants willing to pay rent who can produce income for the investor until he sells the property.
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May 20, 2019, 02:28:08 PM
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For me, the ideal society is the current society. As I am living in  India and it is quite well developing right now from both education and economic aspects. Maybe I cannot compete with the world but I can actually learn whatever I want and that separates me from all the other kids in my locality who are just following orders from their parents and teachers but I can do whatever I want. I have the freedom and I used it to get more and more knowledge.

I heard that many people in India are very poor and can not finish school and build a better future.
Some are also socially isolated because they are members of lower caste.
In my opinion, India can't be ideal society but I believe that you are content and happy with your life.
To make a society ideal everyone must have equal opportunities.

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May 20, 2019, 03:09:35 PM
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Altho an ideal society does not exist and probably never will, because the world is in constant change, i would imagine it would be something in the middle of socialism and nationalism. Going too far on the one side of the pendulum creates a opportunity for radicals to seize power. One side acquiring too much power will radicalize the other side as well and thus we will get large scale protests and eventually a civil war if one side is ignored for too long.
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May 20, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
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An ideal world should be a much more helping, friendly environment compared to today's society. Where all individuals have the tendency to be rude, competitive, selfish, judgmental and hostile. In an ideal world, the majority of these tendencies would not exist at all)
Governments need to make that kind of environment if they want this ideal society but they won't allow this to happen because politicians can't stay profitable if we have good society to live.

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