Tagging yobit campaign participants is right?

[No HATE]

Here I am again, you just wake me up because the community is divided again, some would say "okay", some would say "they should be tag for promoting scam" ..Are you serious?

But before I share my point on the issue, everyone must have an idea first on the active campaigns in the forum, they'll know by checking on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0.


So here's my stance on the issue.

Don't tag members of yobit campaign, just skip that x10, it's been there a long time already, and the last time yobit run a campaign, participants were not tag and livecoin participants were not tag as well because that's the right thing to do. 

Be matured guys, you're complicating things a lot and why not just allow people  to do (wear) what they want by not threatening them of tagging them when they wear yobit signature.

IMO, Mixers are the most evil in crypto because they use for money laundering and those who wear a signature supported that shady activity of them.
Why wear chipmixer? Because they paid you a decent rate, up to BTC0.0375 a week is big enough, big enough for the members to sell their souls and criticize others, sorry if I make that as an example because I notice that most of the critics are from that campaign, sorry again if I'm wrong.

No offense, this is only my opinion and I always like to see fairness in the forum, besides those investors are not kids, they know the risk when investing.

STOP THE HATE, LOVE ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE IT'S CHRISTMAS.

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[otto_diesel]

Dude it's not clear that it is a scam or not. i will test it for community sake, and show the results in a week.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212100.0

and you are right. organized hatred and witch hunting are not good ideas.

[blurryeyed]

I've tagged scams & scam promoters since day one, always have & always will.

Don't promote known scams for payment & you won't get tagged.

Simple.

If you do get tagged for promoting scams, the last thing you want to do is send stupid PM's like this:

Posted for for transparency, my reply to OP's threatening PM:

i m a DT  1member,

So what? That only makes it worse.

i warned the people about yobit.

Yet you still prostitute your profile for them.

delete your negative trust, or i can give you a negative for witch hunting.

Stop promoting scams & remove your Yobit sig campaign & I might think about it - seeing as you asked me so kindly. You won't be the first scam promoter to leave me retaliatory feedback & I'm sure you won't be the last.

Nice to see DT1 members threatening other members......

..because it will only make things worse.

[crazy-joe]

It's just a HYIP I don't understand why this HYIP would be worse than the other ones?
Most of ICO turn to be scams and gambling sites are also very risky, so I don't understand why you're so hateful

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's just a HYIP I don't understand why this HYIP would be worse than the other ones?

What Yobit is offering is high-yield I guess, but only in percentage terms because those coins they have offered are worthless in and of themselves (I checked).  I though I read that the funds to pay out came from those shitcoin devs themselves, and I don't think there's a risk of actually losing your shitcoins.  They can end your "investment plan" at any time (I think) but you get to keep whatever interest you earned. 

Or whatever the hell Yobit's doing, who really knows with them. 

Dude it's not clear that it is a scam or not. i will test it for community sake, and show the results in a week.

That's good.  I'm sure Yobit will have no idea that you're testing it, since they seem to be oblivious to everything including the cries and pleas from legions of unsatisfied customers. 

I'm of the opinion that the campaign participants shouldn't get tagged, but this is an iffy one.  The campaign isn't just advertising Yobit itself, but a specific functionality on the site that looks very much like a Ponzi scheme.  It would be really nice if someone from Yobit would visit the forum to defend itself, but I know that's never going to happen.

[JollyGood]

I've tagged scams & scam promoters since day one, always have & always will.

Don't promote known scams for payment & you won't get tagged.

Simple.

If you do get tagged for promoting scams, the last thing you want to do is send stupid PM's like this:

Posted for for transparency, my reply to OP's threatening PM:

i m a DT  1member,

So what? That only makes it worse.

i warned the people about yobit.

Yet you still prostitute your profile for them.

delete your negative trust, or i can give you a negative for witch hunting.

Stop promoting scams & remove your Yobit sig campaign & I might think about it - seeing as you asked me so kindly. You won't be the first scam promoter to leave me retaliatory feedback & I'm sure you won't be the last.

Nice to see DT1 members threatening other members......

..because it will only make things worse.

Another excellent post from blurryeyed because it basically seems to capture the mood of the majority of the forum members.

[yahoo62278]

I've tagged scams & scam promoters since day one, always have & always will.

Don't promote known scams for payment & you won't get tagged.

Simple.

If you do get tagged for promoting scams, the last thing you want to do is send stupid PM's like this:

Posted for for transparency, my reply to OP's threatening PM:

i m a DT  1member,

So what? That only makes it worse.

i warned the people about yobit.

Yet you still prostitute your profile for them.

delete your negative trust, or i can give you a negative for witch hunting.

Stop promoting scams & remove your Yobit sig campaign & I might think about it - seeing as you asked me so kindly. You won't be the first scam promoter to leave me retaliatory feedback & I'm sure you won't be the last.

Nice to see DT1 members threatening other members......

..because it will only make things worse.

Another excellent post from blurryeyed because it basically seems to capture the mood of the majority of the forum members.

I disagree with user blurryeyed due to the fact that he is selectively tagging users and not sharing his views and red tags fairly across the board.

Guy tagged me, that's fine. I'm not the retaliatory type and his opinion is his opinion. I think if he is going to have this opinion though, he needs to go and tag everyone wearing a FortuneJack sig, everyone wearing any exchange sig, everyone wearing a mixer sig, and everyone wearing a sportsbet.io sig.

Almost all of these have a scam accusation open against them minus a few mixers but IMO mixers are mostly shady activity happening.

Everyone is free to have their own opinion of any situation but I do encourage you all to be fair in your opinions. Don't be selective in your judgements due to being worried about consequences or pissing some people off.

[DarkStar_]

Guy tagged me, that's fine. I'm not the retaliatory type and his opinion is his opinion. I think if he is going to have this opinion though, he needs to go and tag everyone wearing a FortuneJack sig, everyone wearing any exchange sig, everyone wearing a mixer sig, and everyone wearing a sportsbet.io sig.

Almost all of these have a scam accusation open against them minus a few mixers but IMO mixers are mostly shady activity happening.

I disagree with you here, and don't think they should all be in the same basket. (disclaimer: obvious bias, just like how yahoo also has a bias)

Mixers are simple: you give them coins, they give you someone else's coins, and you can do whatever you want with them. That's how they say they work, and that's how they work in practice. If they fail that obligation, obviously it's problem. Until then, you can dislike them because they give people privacy (#BanMonero and every other privacy coin! While your at it, ban every exchange that supports XMR pairs and doesn't enforce KYC on everyone) or whatever, but AFAIK there is no recent studies that show that mixers are "mostly shady activity"; in fact it's the opposite. If you have a different source to support your claim, I would be happy to read it and retract this statement.

Gambling sites can be a bit less straightforward with all of the T&C crap with the potential for KYC and the need for gambling sites to protect them from 'promotion abusers'. They do mention that they 'reserve the right to KYC' and to 'investigate winnings' (I think that's what most scam accusations are about). At least it is mentioned somewhere. When they deceive players by having a fake provably fair system or an improper provably fair setup while claiming themselves to be provably fair, that's an issue. Or, if they advertise a 1% house edge while actually having higher, that's a problem too.

As far as I'm aware, Yobit calls their InvestBox "100% safe". With their signature, they advertised 10% returns with their X10 token, linking to a page that says "100% safe". You could argue that they aren't lying here: people are getting 10% returns on X10 token after all. However, nowhere is it stated the X10 token is a fictional blockchainless token created by Yobit for the purpose of InvestBox. No where is it stated that they 'reserve the right to print as many tokens as they want to dump on the market'. (please correct me if I'm wrong). The omission of that very important piece of information is what differentiates Yobit with other 'shady' sites. I would argue that this is a very important piece of information, as it's the difference between your investment being worth whatever the market value is, and your investment not being able to be sold because Yobit placed a sell order of 6000 BTC worth of X10 at 1 satoshi.

People are fine with ponzi schemes when responsibly disclosed, and not a claim of "make 10% daily profit risk free!!!!1!11". Can you say that Yobit has reasonably disclosed the risks of an investment in X10? (or at the bare minimum, vaguely mentioned it?)

[yahoo62278]

I disagree with you here, and don't think they should all be in the same basket. (disclaimer: obvious bias, just like how yahoo also has a bias)

Mixers are simple: you give them coins, they give you someone else's coins, and you can do whatever you want with them. That's how they say they work, and that's how they work in practice. If they fail that obligation, obviously it's problem. Until then, you can dislike them because they give people privacy (#BanMonero and every other privacy coin! While your at it, ban every exchange that supports XMR pairs and doesn't enforce KYC on everyone) or whatever, but AFAIK there is no recent studies that show that mixers are "mostly shady activity"; in fact it's the opposite. If you have a different source to support your claim, I would be happy to read it and retract this statement.

This was not a shot at you or anyone else on the forum except the biased individual handing out red tags selectively.

https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/ This link taken from BESTMIXER.IO THREAD shows that some users do use mixers for illegal purposes. So 1 could imply that mixers are shady.

That's not what my post was about though, not in full at least. blurryeyed tagged 10-15 users over the yobit campaign (kinda mind boggling really since i'm just trying to keep the thing as clean as possible and I was a recipient of his tag), and claims he is always against scams and such, yet has failed to tag any perticipants advertising for other exchanges, sportsbet.io(multiple scam accusations against them), mixers, FortuneJack, and many other sites with scam accusations.

As far as I'm aware, Yobit calls their InvestBox "100% safe". With their signature, they advertised 10% returns with their X10 token, linking to a page that says "100% safe". You could argue that they aren't lying here: people are getting 10% returns on X10 token after all. However, nowhere is it stated the X10 token is a fictional blockchainless token created by Yobit for the purpose of InvestBox. No where is it stated that they 'reserve the right to print as many tokens as they want to dump on the market'. (please correct me if I'm wrong). The omission of that very important piece of information is what differentiates Yobit with other 'shady' sites. I would argue that this is a very important piece of information, as it's the difference between your investment being worth whatever the market value is, and your investment not being able to be sold because Yobit placed a sell order of 6000 BTC worth of X10 at 1 satoshi.

People are fine with ponzi schemes when responsibly disclosed, and not a claim of "make 10% daily profit risk free!!!!1!11". Can you say that Yobit has reasonably disclosed the risks of an investment in X10? (or at the bare minimum, vaguely mentioned it?)

I was never in favor of the Sig change, or even contacted ahead of time. I just woke up to them changing everything. I lobbied with the exchange and got them to agree to different signatures due to the fact that neither I nor the community agreed with the Investbox.

See, i'm perfectly fine with a person having an opinion, and i'm perfectly fine with someone disagreeing with my opinion on a subject. Look around, seems like there are so many different groups whom all have different opinions but the same opinion within the group.

I'm not going on a DT crusade or even getting mad at anyone. I don't feel tagging users are justified and i'm voicing my opinion same as you. Doesn't mean I hate you or dislike you. We just somewhat disagree on some points. Life goes on.

[JollyGood]

I've tagged scams & scam promoters since day one, always have & always will.

Don't promote known scams for payment & you won't get tagged.

Simple.

If you do get tagged for promoting scams, the last thing you want to do is send stupid PM's like this:

Posted for for transparency, my reply to OP's threatening PM:

i m a DT  1member,

So what? That only makes it worse.

i warned the people about yobit.

Yet you still prostitute your profile for them.

delete your negative trust, or i can give you a negative for witch hunting.

Stop promoting scams & remove your Yobit sig campaign & I might think about it - seeing as you asked me so kindly. You won't be the first scam promoter to leave me retaliatory feedback & I'm sure you won't be the last.

Nice to see DT1 members threatening other members......

..because it will only make things worse.

Another excellent post from blurryeyed because it basically seems to capture the mood of the majority of the forum members.

I disagree with user blurryeyed due to the fact that he is selectively tagging users and not sharing his views and red tags fairly across the board.

Guy tagged me, that's fine. I'm not the retaliatory type and his opinion is his opinion. I think if he is going to have this opinion though, he needs to go and tag everyone wearing a FortuneJack sig, everyone wearing any exchange sig, everyone wearing a mixer sig, and everyone wearing a sportsbet.io sig.

Almost all of these have a scam accusation open against them minus a few mixers but IMO mixers are mostly shady activity happening.

Everyone is free to have their own opinion of any situation but I do encourage you all to be fair in your opinions. Don't be selective in your judgements due to being worried about consequences or pissing some people off.

Thank you for your post. I completely agree because in my personal opinion it would be wrong for anyone to tag users left, right and centre based alone on them promoting a particular signature - unless there is something else more sinister going on.

I do agree with everybody being opinionated and having the right to express that opinion but the notion of possible consequences applies to both those that are for and those that are against any issue. No matter who is involved in any debate, as long as the argument remains on-topic and within the bounds of decency it means traction can be gained. Some users having a fear of retaliatory feedback (which is against forum rules) by a group of users/alt-accounts that manipulated their way to DT1 does not bode well for the community. To stifle debate using DT privileges is one of the lowest level forms of action any user can take here in this forum.

Regarding whether all signatures should be deemed as scams as long as even one scam accusation has been made against them (that is what I deduced from your post), I think it has to be based on merit such as the background of the user making the allegation, the allegation itself and the company/project/individual the allegation was made against. What I am not in favour of is an argument that anybody tagging one shady practice by default should tag all shady practices. Likewise, I am not in favour of an argument that just because a user making an allegation against one project should by default make similar allegations against all like-for projects.

Which projects any user decides to tag is their own decision and which they decide to not tag is based on their own research because there could be many factors involved in their decision making process. Another weak argument about users posting that all exchanges inflate trading volumes so if such-and-such exchange does it too then it should not be a problem. The truth is it is a problem. All scams should be exposed regardless.

It is just about trying to express these views in an open and fair manner without the fear of getting trolled or abused, or having negative feedback (retaliatory or otherwise) thrown at them and it should work both ways with those making the allegation and those the allegation is being made against.

[otto_diesel]

don't miss a point:  i wore* a cryptotalk.org signature. (not yobit 10x) 2 or 3 person have tried to lynch me for wearing. yobit 10x token. and making yobit 10x token promotion. It's a extremely dangerous lynch culture.  if some person try to lynch anyone i will give negative because it's a untrustworthy and unstable act.

edit: not worn, wore

[o_e_l_e_o]

So 1 could imply that mixers are shady.

There is a fundamental difference here though. Mixers are a tool used to increase privacy. Some people use them for illicit purposes, sure, but that's not their primary aim. The same could be said of VPNs, Tor, the internet, cash, you name it. All these things can be used for illicit purposes, although it is not their primary aim. We don't call any of them scams or shady despite this. (Well, maybe fiat, but more because he government manipulates it for their own benefit )

By design, YoBit's InvestBox's will rip off their users. It is not a product which has a legitimate function but is being used by some to rip off users. It's only function is to rip off users. It has been designed for illicit purposes, as opposed to being exploited by some for illicit purposes. There is no other outcome possible other than users losing money.

[JollyGood]

So 1 could imply that mixers are shady.

There is a fundamental difference here though. Mixers are a tool used to increase privacy. Some people use them for illicit purposes, sure, but that's not their primary aim. The same could be said of VPNs, Tor, the internet, cash, you name it. All these things can be used for illicit purposes, although it is not their primary aim. We don't call any of them scams or shady despite this. (Well, maybe fiat, but more because he government manipulates it for their own benefit )

By design, YoBit's InvestBox's will rip off their users. It is not a product which has a legitimate function but is being used by some to rip off users. It's only function is to rip off users. It has been designed for illicit purposes, as opposed to being exploited by some for illicit purposes. There is no other outcome possible other than users losing money.

The structure of the InvestBox is not viable so far as it being a sound investment is concerned.

The fact Yobit keeps returning here to our forum using various campaigns to pump out its message shows the value in which Yobit hold this forum. Most of their business would shut down if they were not allowed to use our forum to lure in gullible investors.

[Harlot]

It is really about their freedom to wear a signature it is about what they are trying to promote here in the forum and what Yobit is trying to promote is another potential scam that can victimize a lot of people here in the forum. Just remove the noise and hate you are seeing here in the forum and try to see the facts on why they hate it and what they are trying to prevent from happening. Also tags are something that the DT members decide to do and they have their own minds to decide on how to deal this situation so really its up to them if they have the same view as you have in this situation but judging from what I am reading even DT members are divided on this as well.

[johhnyUA]

Guy tagged me, that's fine. I'm not the retaliatory type and his opinion is his opinion. I think if he is going to have this opinion though, he needs to go and tag everyone wearing a FortuneJack sig, everyone wearing any exchange sig, everyone wearing a mixer sig, and everyone wearing a sportsbet.io sig.

Just ignore this shit. He also tagged very selectively even Yobit participants in meaning that he not tagged his friends who wear Yobit signature as i see .

Also, he uses his alt to create "more" feedbacks.

[Btchunter3333]

I've tagged scams & scam promoters since day one, always have & always will.

Don't promote known scams for payment & you won't get tagged.

Simple.

If you do get tagged for promoting scams, the last thing you want to do is send stupid PM's like this

Hi, i understand you tagged this people wearing a yobit signature, you tag all who wear it?

And you and other people who get scammed by Yobit what legal actions you do against them?

or just write here on forum and nothing else?