Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed?

[olcaytu2005]

 Everyone sees that there is a trusted members gang in this forum. They are not trusted. One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts. In this world, no one is trusted.


They just attack whoever they want. Abusing everything. They have trust power and they suppose they are the owner of bitcointalk.

Let's talk.


Trust System must be removed?? or maybe trusted member list must be removed?? everyone should choose their trusted member list?

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.

Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true.  He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush.  Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts.  Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know.  Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum.  Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama.  Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.

[olcaytu2005]

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.

Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true.  He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush.  Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts.  Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know.  Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum.  Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama.  Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.

You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?

I dont use bitcointalk for 1 year I don't care negative trust. Never. Bu there is a gang here and they think they are the owner of the forum. Theymos do nothing. He just sits back. Forum manages by the gangs.

[bones261]

The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?

[olcaytu2005]

The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

[TryNinja]

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

Except that most people don't trust a just recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits in his new account to get as many "reputation" as he had.

[olcaytu2005]

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

Except that most people don't trust a recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits to get as many 'reputation' as he had.

In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted

[bones261]

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.

[TryNinja]

In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted

What does this have to do with anything?

People trust whoever they want to trust.

[olcaytu2005]

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.

Unfortunately, Not everybody uses their mind.

[marlboroza]

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.

Your opinion will be added to this thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.

You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?

Oh, you got us there...

[olcaytu2005]

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.

Your opinion will be added to this thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.

Please add this thread. So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

[Vod]

So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?

[olcaytu2005]

So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died The rules different for the trusted members. Why? As you know Law always protects the strong one (like goverments). So are the Bitcointalk rules. Always protects the moderators, theymos and trusted members. Because theymos created it.

[Vod]

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died?   Did you get a cut?

[olcaytu2005]

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died?   Did you get a cut?

Advertising is encouraging? just with a bounty program? Bounty managers just manage the bounty programs. that s all. They are not encouraging poeple to give money. They just advertise as theymos did. So If we type;

" Bounty Program is not endorsed by the Bounty Manager. It may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. "

Do that protect us???


Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent

[The-One-Above-All]

Everyone sees that there is a trusted members gang in this forum. They are not trusted. One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts. In this world, no one is trusted.


They just attack whoever they want. Abusing everything. They have trust power and they suppose they are the owner of bitcointalk.

Let's talk.


Trust System must be removed?? or maybe trusted member list must be removed?? everyone should choose their trusted member list?

We fully agree with you. Observable liars, scammers, probable extortionists and those employing shady escrow dealings such as lauda and his group of shady friends have no place on a trust system.

We suggest that you research these trust abusers, find their observable dirty past historical behaviors and keep reminding them of these constantly whilst remaining on topic and relevant.

You could locate either cryptohunter or thule and look at their sig banners. In there are just "some" of their observable untrustworthy behaviors. Cryptohunter has also numerous times presented the observable events they most want to remain hidden.

He seems to have been prevented from posting or has just taken a break. We have decided to dedicate some of our time to continue his fight whilst he is away.

Meta board is a PRIME place to post about this, but you would need to keep it general or your posts will be moved to the rep section.
They will likely try to get you banned though so you will need to take care to remain within the board rules.

There are many others here that feel the same way about the abused and broken trust system as you do. Most are not scammers but have been trust abused and given a scam tag.
Don't give up.

[marlboroza]

Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent

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[olcaytu2005]

Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent

More lies from this scum

Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.

Owww well-done bro. I bet you dont have a job :DDDDD So when you read this do you buy tokens? or do you do your research?  If you are not stupid you search right?

When you see a banner ad on bitcointalk do you buy immediately?? Do you trust Theymos??? 

[The-One-Above-All]

Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent

More lies from this scum

Hello everyone, pre sale is ongoing. Do not miss out 40% discount.

The reader should be made aware that marlboroza is not at all worried about lies when his friend lauda tells them. Example when lauda was claiming that he was on the xcoin launch and there was not instamine LOL

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131477.msg50628003#msg50628003

that entire thread was the reason for the majority of our own red trust. They simply do not like observable events that demonstrate they are untrustworthy being brought up in public.

You want weapons to crush this bunch? read all of cryptohunters previous postings on them. They use the trust system to eliminate whistle blowers and their COMPETITION in sig campaigns/managers and escrows.