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May 05, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
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Another option is also reporting the user to the bounty manager for the project he translated for as well as to DT members like members already mentioned in the thread. That way he can get blacklisted and reconsider his actions in the future. 

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May 05, 2019, 10:52:39 PM
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How will I detect also if I am not native? Actually question regarding detection of automated translation. How it will detect? Perhaps poster would claim that he/she know multiple languages. Then how it would be moderated? I am not wondering about report, I am wondering how moderators will handle it. Based on what?

That is why you don't see an French moderator moderating the Arabic local board, because that will result in terrible judgment, there is no way for someone who doesn't speak the language to know how was a text translated unless it's super obvious.

automatic translation can be accurate in terms of understanding , you take a text in French, translate it to English, most of the time you will get a "clue" of what is it about, but going from English to French and posting the results - it is going to be ugly.

a week or two ago, there was a topic translated to Arabic about some new ICO , and OP was asking for "prime minister"  Roll Eyes ( i think he was looking for a manager) but google failed him.

if the Moderator did not understand Arabic, he would not have deleted that post.

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May 06, 2019, 06:32:01 AM
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Yes, .Heisenberg_Hunter  requested to check the translation. I guess you can ask someone having DT powers to tag these translators.
You can still "Report To Moderator" , it will go on Global Mods queue in absence of local mods but I have no idea how they will be able to take action when they also do not know the language.

I used to report to Benson first who was the Indian mod but he also used to take no action and it will be tough for the global mods to deal with it as they don't understand Hindi. Only once one topic got deleted for using automated tools but that was because the project manager complained I guess else all others go unnoticed.

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May 06, 2019, 08:58:14 AM
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No mod ?
That's a terrible situation to be in. Before Halab was named mod of the French section, a few of us had to take care of that "fake translators" problem. We wasted a lot of energy there.
I suppose you made a request to Theymos about having a new one ?
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May 06, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
Last edit: May 06, 2019, 10:03:08 AM by JSRAW
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Yes, .Heisenberg_Hunter  requested to check the translation. I guess you can ask someone having DT powers to tag these translators.
You can still "Report To Moderator" , it will go on Global Mods queue in absence of local mods but I have no idea how they will be able to take action when they also do not know the language.

I tagged one translator after checking his recent thread. this user  rangnatht clearly using Google translator for translations.

I will check rest of them tonight and will proceed accordingly.

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May 06, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
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No mod ?
That's a terrible situation to be in. Before Halab was named mod of the French section, a few of us had to take care of that "fake translators" problem. We wasted a lot of energy there.
I suppose you made a request to Theymos about having a new one ?

A request was made in Meta here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3125174.20

But no mod was elected as it is said that Indian section doesn't have much activity and since many languages are spoken here, the mod may not be able to handle such reports. I can see some other Local sections also without a mod like the German section and hence members are handling such issues and reporting them.

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May 06, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
Last edit: May 06, 2019, 11:54:41 AM by Heisenberg_Hunter
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Been a little busy yesterday to reply to this topic. I have approached both r1s2g3 and erikalui for helping me out in revealing the fake translators and the result was Overview of Fake Hindi Translators in the Indian Board. Probably most of them were aware of the fake translations taking place in the Indian Board, but not much reported them nor the action were taken by moderator and the DT to tag them or remove those topics. r1s2g3 triggered the wrong translation work and erikalui spent their time to provide the evidences. The translators are getting out of control in the board, and even though if I report those posts they are not being removed. I do mention my topic as a reference in the comment while I report but to the contrary they are not being removed.

I used to report to Benson first who was the Indian mod but he also used to take no action and it will be tough for the global mods to deal with it as they don't understand Hindi. Only once one topic got deleted for using automated tools but that was because the project manager complained I guess else all others go unnoticed.

I am aware that Benson wasn't really taking any measures when he was a MOD to prevent the abuse and with the increase in the ICO's and Bounties in 2017-2018 the fake translators have risen enormously in the Indian Board too. The translators are receiving easy money by just shitting all over the board with their filthy translation spams.

As far as I have figured out Greek moderator mitzie and other global mods like rickbig handles my reports most of the time. I am quite sure few of the local board mods are acting as a global moderator in the shadows without having an official title. Since there isn't really a moderator for the board right now, we need to depend upon global mods and DT people by providing enough evidences and helping them to clean the board.

The translated topics in the Indian Board are quite easier to find out since they are most probably being translated by Google Translators which doesn't add any real meaning to the topic.



Situation 1 :

The Indian Board is literally very terrible right now, but they are atmost readable to an extent. I report quite often and within a day or two they would be handled. Brand New Members who are not Indians are using the situation (A board with no MOD) to promote their shit. At times, a group of spammers just like the Chitauri clan rush inside the board and spam with the same messages unless they are being reported and nuked.

Situation 2 :

2 weeks back, a group of Brand New accounts came to the board, necro-bumped 3-4 year old dead topics and posted a bitcointalk link. Once I clicked through the bitcointalk link, they linked to a fake phishing Electrum software download. All of a sudden I reported all these topics (should have been 5+) and they were removed the following day. The problem is that, we Indians are diversified and very few of them are non-spamming people. Most of them indulge in Bounties, Scams and spamming the forum endlessly in the Altcoin Subs.

For example, user sellinglegandaryaccount is using multiple local language (almost more then 5 different languages). May be its possible he/she know all languages and also there suspicion that he/she is using automated translation tools.
Such situations happen quite a few times in the Indian Board too but they can be left aside. I have seen a user posting translated announcements in more than 3-4 languages but they seem to translate only one project. So they should have been an employee of the project and post topics related to the project which cannot be considered as a translation abuse.

P.S If theymos cannot appoint a MOD, he could better delete the board. It is becoming worse than the Off-Topic and Archival board  Grin
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May 06, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
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Well is very simple, generally the mod of the section know the language where the moderate (I hope) in that case if you report a message translated with google or other tools they can read and find the errors done by Google, for example on the Italian section we sometimes have f....ed up translations done clearly with those tools, verbs are often wrong from the translator.

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May 06, 2019, 08:24:43 PM
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On my local board one can spot them due to the way the expression are constructed, and especially when inaccurate words are placed in the phrases (this makes them stand-out). If I see them I report them, but more often than not, my local moderator detects them himself and deleted them.
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This is true for the most smaller languages, where google translate has not enough content to fine tune the translation. For some of the languages, it's not possible to use the google translate becuase of the poor performance...
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