🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[TopTort777]

13 wins and 12 by KO. Tuivasa looks dangerous, but he is 6-3 only in UFC. I would say lets see him first against someone against top5, and they come back to "dangerous man on earth " Let first check how he feels against top on in a long fight.

I have confused Tuivasa and Tafa. Justin Tafa had weight problem and weigh more than HW limit allow. The reason I have confused them are their belly side quadriceps tattooes.



Tuivasa on the left, Tafa on the right.

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I haven’t made these bets yet but looking at the matches and browsing over their stats, my leans are AJ Dobson at 1.87, Alexander Hernandez at 2.47, William Knight at 2.48, Andrei Arlovski at 1.70, Nasrat Haqparast at 2.23, and Robert Whitaker at 3.35.  That’s 4 underdogs out of 6.  It will def need some luck.  Lmao.  I think a parlay on Wells and Morozov at 2.13 looks like a nice safe bet too.

And here’s a couple of Embedded vids to see what these guys are up to days before the event.  Lezzz gooo!

UFC 271:  Embedded Ep 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8qN_8Quz_8

UFC 271:  Embedded Ep 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l237FHdqmV4

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13 wins and 12 by KO. Tuivasa looks dangerous, but he is 6-3 only in UFC.

Tuivasa didn't take his first fights in the UFC seriously.

After his 3rd straight loss to Sergey Spivak, Tuivasa realized he needed to make a change and trained at American Kickboxing Academy in california. Apparently making that change and seeing many talented fighters in the gym everyday was what he needed to get motivated.

Since making that change, Tuivasa has had 4 straight wins by KO.

Derrick Lewis said he choked under the pressure of fighting in front of his texas home crowd, back when he fought Ciryl Gane. Lewis has also struggled with a back injury over the years, leading to inconsistent performances.

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Robert Whittaker showed many visible improvements in his game, back when he fought Kelvin Gastelum. I think this fight between Adesanya and Whittaker will be closer and more competitive than their 1st meeting.

[notblox1]

Israel Adesanya just signed a new deal with UFC right before his upcoming fight with Whittaker but he is not happy how UFC was promoting this championship title fight.
Some people wanted him to fight Kamaru Usman in a super fight, including Usman manager, but he is not interested that much because he and Usman are both born and coming from same country Nigeria.
It would be interesting fight to watch and I think Adesanya would win, but one of them would have to change weight a lot.
Listen full Adesanya interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtxbimY2NI

[yazher]

It would be interesting fight to watch and I think Adesanya would win, but one of them would have to change weight a lot.
Listen full Adesanya interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtxbimY2NI

That would be a fight of the year for UFC but there's no rush because after he successfully defeated Whittaker, he can finally go to Usman. That would be another big money for both the promoter and the fighters because these two are the current best fighter in this era. The UFC will allow that fight because they won't gonna decline if both fighters agreed together. Dana white might gonna approve this fight after this, so yeah, hope Adesanya will win this fight sweeply.

[Dart18]

I just checked the odds on Adesanya to win and they are so low that it makes no sense betting on him to win.
This fight card is really interesting not only because of the main event, but because black beast Derrick Lewis is back and it's always fun watching his fights.
I didn't make any predictions yet but I plan to do that in next few days.

Israel Adesanya 1.36 - Robert Whittaker 3.40
Yes, it's not much profitable if you are Adesanya fan. This is where a parlay might help out to increase the winnings.
Derrick Lewis 1.55 - Tai Tuivasa 2.60
Combining Adesanya and Lewis in a parlay gives you 2.1 which is a respectable profit in my opinion but that's if you want to risk it.

[TheNineClub]

13 wins and 12 by KO. Tuivasa looks dangerous, but he is 6-3 only in UFC. I would say lets see him first against someone against top5, and they come back to "dangerous man on earth " Let first check how he feels against top on in a long fight.

I have confused Tuivasa and Tafa. Justin Tafa had weight problem and weigh more than HW limit allow. The reason I have confused them are their belly side quadriceps tattooes.



Tuivasa on the left, Tafa on the right.

Well, I don't blame you for mistaking them, all of those Samoan guys are huge so I would say that any of them can have weight problems at any event. But they are also tough as nails. I always wondered that maybe that inherent toughness was preventing them from technique improvements and different fighting styles, or maybe the lack of wrestling that is holding them back from really breaking out in those top 5's of their divisions.

[Bttzed03]

Watching Vlog Series - Episode 1, I'm a bit disappointed that he's trying to downplay this title fight and treating it the same as his last 3 fights. It is certainly not and I hope that's just mind games. Maybe he's trying not to pressure himself too much which would affect his preparation.

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I think this fight between Adesanya and Whittaker will be closer and more competitive than their 1st meeting.

This is what I'm expecting as well but I hope it still ends in a KO/TKO in the first three rounds because that's where my bet is

~ I always wondered that maybe that inherent toughness was preventing them from technique improvements and different fighting styles, or maybe the lack of wrestling that is holding them back from really breaking out in those top 5's of their divisions.

It could be the culture or the tradition.

They have some popular wrestlers in the WWE though

[Betwrong]

^  I don’t think there lots of action going to Whitaker.  If there was, we’d see line movement going Whitaker’s way and make the odds a little closer.  The lines are still very wide imo.  And the people who are betting on Whitaker are doing it for line value.  There’s a higher chance he could win in a rematch than what the line indicates.  Dunno...  It just feels that way for me.  Lol.  ‘This is not financial advice.’.  

Anyway I think Whitaker has improved a lot since his loss vs Adesanya.  Can’t wait to see him back in there.

So, you are betting on Whitaker then? I can perfectly understand you because betting on the underdog is what I like to do too. It's just this time I think Whitaker has no chance at all. But that's my personal opinion, ‘This is not financial advice.’ either.  

There are lots of fight worth watching on UFC 271.

Adesanya vs Whittaker. Will anime fan be able to beat Whittaker once again? I guess yes. I think Adesanya feels boring in his division. Almost every fight looks soo easy for him. If he wins again, who should he fight next? He will be like Canelo in boxing. He should move either to other division or beat everyone for the second time.
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This is my impression too. There's a video on YouTube, "israel adesanya all losses" , and even in those videos Adesanya looks great, and it looks like he loses only because of bad luck. I like the top comment under the video:



The man is the UFC's best Middleweight currently, no doubt about it.

[TopTort777]

I think the solution for Whittaker to get his belt back is wrestling. Fighting against Adesanya in stance will be a copy-paste of their first fight. Adesanya is faster, has reach advantage, striking skills are better. Whittaker has got some achievements in Australia in wrestling championships.

Wrestling is the weakest point of Adesanya. As a kickboxer, if he is on the ground, he can not box or kick (sorry for that joke ). He should be taken down in the centre of octagon, otherwise he will fence to stand up and sneak (does this all the time).

Did you notice Andrei Arlovski vs. Jared Vanderaa in preliminary card? Think this is first time Arlovski is not in main card. He is getting old, less interested for people, yet still dangerous.

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Robert Whittaker showed many visible improvements in his game, back when he fought Kelvin Gastelum. I think this fight between Adesanya and Whittaker will be closer and more competitive than their 1st meeting.

I feel exactly the same.  And how can you not put a little action on Whitaker at 3.35 - 3.40 for the line value.  It’s def a good bet esp if you think he’s going to look like he’s 2.15 - 2.20 in the cage.  That under 4.5 rounds at 2.05 looks good too imho.  I don’t think we see a decision imho.

Anyway, press conference is in around 8 hours or so.  Should be fun with Adesanya up there.  

UFC 271:  Pre Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube/watch?v=j9E5vSNcrRg

And here’s jeremypwr’s Multi Master Challenge.  Enjoy!

UFC 271:  Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5385117.0

[YuginKadoya]

Well, I don't blame you for mistaking them, all of those Samoan guys are huge so I would say that any of them can have weight problems at any event. But they are also tough as nails. I always wondered that maybe that inherent toughness was preventing them from technique improvements and different fighting styles, or maybe the lack of wrestling that is holding them back from really breaking out in those top 5's of their divisions.

Let's add their stamina if they could last long inside while performing wrestling with their opponent, and we all know that wrestling is tiring for most guys that are big on their build that is why I think that would be most of their problem, and guys like these tend to finish the fight mostly on the 1st or 2nd round because they can not hold a lasting fight of stamina, pretty much the same goes with Derrick Lewis, and Francis Ngannou, but from Ngannou's last fight with Ciryl Gane I think that Francis Ngannou has improved with his stamina that could now last the distance,

Watching Vlog Series - Episode 1, I'm a bit disappointed that he's trying to downplay this title fight and treating it the same as his last 3 fights. It is certainly not and I hope that's just mind games. Maybe he's trying not to pressure himself too much which would affect his preparation.

This is what I am afraid of, he is kind of bored right now because there is no opponent good enough to take him down he recently said that his fight with Jan Blachowicz got him bored, I really think this is a red flag on Blachowicz part, or this might be an excuse because he got beaten up badly by Blachowicz, this is a big opportunity for him to have two belts at the same time, but Israel Adesanya is a learning fighter so I think this Asensanya VS Whittaker was the plan.

I think the solution for Whittaker to get his belt back is wrestling. Fighting against Adesanya in stance will be a copy-paste of their first fight. Adesanya is faster, has reach advantage, striking skills are better. Whittaker has got some achievements in Australia in wrestling championships.

Wrestling is the weakest point of Adesanya. As a kickboxer, if he is on the ground, he can not box or kick (sorry for that joke ). He should be taken down in the centre of octagon, otherwise he will fence to stand up and sneak (does this all the time).

Did you notice Andrei Arlovski vs. Jared Vanderaa in preliminary card? Think this is first time Arlovski is not in main card. He is getting old, less interested for people, yet still dangerous.

Whittaker May resulted with wrestling maybe that is his game plan that he is readying at least he is fired up because of this fight, I really want to see Whittaker try and make this fight more different than what happened with their 1st fight, and giving fans the excitement they all want,

all fighter that is full-on striking surely their weakness would be a guy that is full into wrestling, but if Robert Whittaker would result into this kind of method this could surely be new for him,

[TheNineClub]

Well, I don't blame you for mistaking them, all of those Samoan guys are huge so I would say that any of them can have weight problems at any event. But they are also tough as nails. I always wondered that maybe that inherent toughness was preventing them from technique improvements and different fighting styles, or maybe the lack of wrestling that is holding them back from really breaking out in those top 5's of their divisions.

Let's add their stamina if they could last long inside while performing wrestling with their opponent, and we all know that wrestling is tiring for most guys that are big on their build that is why I think that would be most of their problem, and guys like these tend to finish the fight mostly on the 1st or 2nd round because they can not hold a lasting fight of stamina, pretty much the same goes with Derrick Lewis, and Francis Ngannou, but from Ngannou's last fight with Ciryl Gane I think that Francis Ngannou has improved with his stamina that could now last the distance,

Stamina is an issue in HW as a whole. And yes, there were outliers like DC, but he came from a wrestling background and that gave him a good headstart on that front. Especially with that American Kickboxing dirty boxing/clinch strategy, just imagine someone that big leaning on you all the time, it just takes a lot out of you. Ngannou has improved drastically, I have to give him credit for that, he learned so much from the first Miočić fight, but also, his opposition was predominately willing to strike with him not giving him to worry much when it comes to wrestling or even clinching (Aside from a couple of tries here or there, and don't even get me started on Cain, he was waaaaaaaay over the hill when he fought Francis).

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Whittaker May resulted with wrestling maybe that is his game plan that he is readying at least he is fired up because of this fight, I really want to see Whittaker try and make this fight more different than what happened with their 1st fight, and giving fans the excitement they all want,

all fighter that is full-on striking surely their weakness would be a guy that is full into wrestling, but if Robert Whittaker would result into this kind of method this could surely be new for him,

He could try but it would be hard for him to take Adesanya down imho.  Whitaker is shorter and Adesanya prolly has a tad bit more weight in him at fight day.  Vettori had a hard time taking him down.  And Blachowicz is a 205’er so it’s not a good comparison for Whitaker.

Anyway...  The weigh in show is live now.  Let’s see how these guys look on the scale.

UFC 271:  Live Weigh In Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAv3rlZKB4s

[TopTort777]

Lewis va Tuivasa.

Both are boxers mostly, with some kicking skills (Tuivasa is good with lowkicks). But the one who can wrestle will win. Lewis has trained wrestling last years, or better say it defence against wrestlers (Blaydes did not succeed with adept wrestling skill). Did you know Tuivasa has never made a takedown in his career? His wrestling is bad, he can only rely on his strength. Also, they both are big, but Lewis has 10cm reach advantage. That can be bad against straightforward Tuivasa. I predict that Lewis will win by TKO. And I hope it wont be a boring fight as both will be caution against a puncher.

[YuginKadoya]

Stamina is an issue in HW as a whole. And yes, there were outliers like DC, but he came from a wrestling background and that gave him a good headstart on that front. Especially with that American Kickboxing dirty boxing/clinch strategy, just imagine someone that big leaning on you all the time, it just takes a lot out of you. Ngannou has improved drastically, I have to give him credit for that, he learned so much from the first Miočić fight, but also, his opposition was predominately willing to strike with him not giving him to worry much when it comes to wrestling or even clinching (Aside from a couple of tries here or there, and don't even get me started on Cain, he was waaaaaaaay over the hill when he fought Francis).

Well, it is an issue as a whole in the UFC as well but certainly, wrestling is a whole way high level to burn that stamina than striking that is why yes kudos to the man Francis Ngannou for taking a big leap with his ground game and training with wrestling will surely give him a good boost with his cardio, but as he has said he doesn't want to result in such things because he wants a Knockout win, and this is his first decision win, and because of his injuries that is why he resulted to clinching more often and there is no explosiveness in his part, that is why Ciryl Gane is so surprised in Ngannou's change of pace, he surely learns a lot from that lost on Stipe Miocic.

He could try but it would be hard for him to take Adesanya down imho.  Whitaker is shorter and Adesanya prolly has a tad bit more weight in him at fight day.  Vettori had a hard time taking him down.  And Blachowicz is a 205’er so it’s not a good comparison for Whitaker.

Anyway...  The weigh in show is live now.  Let’s see how these guys look on the scale.

UFC 271:  Live Weigh In Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAv3rlZKB4s

That is a good point weight will surely give a hard time for Whittaker resulting in only wrestling, I think Vettori had a hard time because he can't keep up with Adesanya's speed and constantly evading all possible takedowns that Vettori has executed, but yeah there is some point that he is having a hard time taking Adesanya to the mat and yes you got a point that we should not compare Whittaker more in the recent Adensanya have faced, and there are a lot of a difference regarding their height and reach aswell.

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Even if Adesensay is going to be takedown, he might be able to still control the fight with his reach. He is back in his comfortable weight so it's not surprising to see him bend again.

Lewis va Tuivasa.

Both are boxers mostly, with some kicking skills (Tuivasa is good with lowkicks). But the one who can wrestle will win. Lewis has trained wrestling last years, or better say it defence against wrestlers (Blaydes did not succeed with adept wrestling skill). Did you know Tuivasa has never made a takedown in his career? His wrestling is bad, he can only rely on his strength. Also, they both are big, but Lewis has 10cm reach advantage. That can be bad against straightforward Tuivasa. I predict that Lewis will win by TKO. And I hope it wont be a boring fight as both will be caution against a puncher.

It would be good if Dereck can execute his wrestling before he is going to be caught by Tuivasa's punches. Between the two, Tuivasa is much quicker if Tuivasa also has wrestling skills he can effectively execute to a much slower heavyweight like Dereck. Dereck relies on the opportunity for a counter-attack that his reach advantage won't count if he is caught by an aggressive fighter that can inflict heavy blows.

[YuginKadoya]

my picks for the upcoming fight for the UFC 271 highlighted in green are my picks

Israel Adesanya VS Robert Whittaker

Stake Odds for this fight are 1.36 for Israel Adesanya, While 3.50 for Robert Whittaker, this rematch is the anticipated fight, they surely think that Robert Whittaker is going to take care of Adesanya with his wrestling but with the Odds result I think many are still in favor with Israel Adesanya, In my opinion, Israel can still take on Robert Whittaker, even though Robert Whittaker would practice his wrestling I think Adesanya is more mobile with his movement and has high takedown defense and I think Robert Whittaker would have a hard time with Adesanya with their weight and reach I think he can not wrestle Adensanya so I will still stick with Israel Adesanya,

Derrick Lewis VS Tai Tuivasa

Stake Odds for this fight 1.56 for Lewis while Tuivasa is 2.65, right now I think this may be a close fight and many bettors are still thinking about the potential of Tuivasa but I think Derrick Lewis has the advantage with his experience so I may go with Derrick Lewis and I guess his recent loss to Ciryl Gane have opened him to know his weakness and I think he is taking care of that weakness, I really think that both fighters have the strength to knock out each other but I am much confident on Derrick Lewis's strength, so I will go with Derrick Lewis with these ones.

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^  I think the unders for both of those matches could prolly hit.  The under 4.5 rounds for the main event is plus money at 2.06 and the under 1.5 for Lewis vs Tuivasa is at a decent 1.63 for what it is.  Those two will def throw leather and try to KO each other’s heads off from the get go.

And here are the weigh in results guys...  Perez missed weight by 2 lbs, so Schnell turned down the match.  Knight missed weight by 12 lbs, Grishin still took the fight but it’s going to be at heavy weight now.  Lmao.  Nice.

Champ Israel Adesanya (184) vs Robert Whittaker (184)
Derrick Lewis (266) vs Tai Tuivasa (265)
Derek Brunson (185.5) vs Jared Cannonier (185)
Kyler Phillips (136) vs Marcelo Rojo (136)
Bobby Green (155.5) vs Nasrat Haqparast (156)
Andrei Arlovski (246) vs Jared Vanderaa (265)
Roxanne Modafferi (126) vs Casey O’Neill (125.5)
Alex Perez (128)* vs Matt Schnell (126)
Maxim Grishin (206) vs William Knight (218)*
Ronnie Lawrence (136) vs Mana Martinez (136)
Alexander Hernandez (156) vs Renato Moicano (156)
Fabio Cherant (206) vs Carlos Ulberg (204)
AJ Dobson (185) vs Jacob Malkoun (186)
Douglas Silva de Andrade (136) vs Sergey Morozov (135)
Blood Diamond (170) vs Jeremiah Wells (170.5)

*Missed weight

[7788bitcoin]

Even if Adesensay is going to be takedown, he might be able to still control the fight with his reach. He is back in his comfortable weight so it's not surprising to see him bend again.

Israel Adesanya have a good take down defense and in his weight division i think it is more than enough but i am expecting a completely prepared Robert Whittaker in the rematch as he was waiting for this for a long time. I hope he will not play to the tune of Israel Adesanya rather mix up the style and keep him guessing with take downs and heavy leg kicks.
 

It would be good if Dereck can execute his wrestling before he is going to be caught by Tuivasa's punches. Between the two, Tuivasa is much quicker if Tuivasa also has wrestling skills he can effectively execute to a much slower heavyweight like Dereck. Dereck relies on the opportunity for a counter-attack that his reach advantage won't count if he is caught by an aggressive fighter that can inflict heavy blows.

Derrick Lewis is fighting in his hometown and he will be a force with his one punch knockout power. The fight will not go to the distance and that is certain. I have not seen Tai Tuivasa showing any wrestling skills, i am expecting a stand and bang fight.

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