@theymos is it true that you forced OG to remove Laudas tagg ?

[Quickseller]

if this is true its good news,theymos is taking actions against abusive members it would be nice if not only lauda,but most of his abusive gang members.

The action, if true, was done in favor of lauda...

Well OG’s trust improved more than the cats.. could be said theymos was looking after OG.

If he was looking solely after OgN he could have given the ultimatum to lauda only. There isn’t any reason to make them both remove feedback if one of them is a scammer.

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[eaLiTy]

Theymos have full control over this forum, if he wants to see a feedback removed, he just need to click button "Remove" rather than wasting his time to blackmail feedback sender

If Theymos removes the feedback by himself, what is the point as the dispute stands, he wants to sort the issue between the disputing parties rather than fighting over and even if he asked both parties to remove the feedback by themselves  there is a point in his approach, to sort the issue.

Will Theymos accept even if there is a conversation is to be seen, only he could shut all these speculations.

[TMAN]

if this is true its good news,theymos is taking actions against abusive members it would be nice if not only lauda,but most of his abusive gang members.

The action, if true, was done in favor of lauda...

Well OG’s trust improved more than the cats.. could be said theymos was looking after OG.

If he was looking solely after OgN he could have given the ultimatum to lauda only. There isn’t any reason to make them both remove feedback if one of them is a scammer.

or everyone could stop with the conspiracy shit and realise that Theymos cares more about the forum than a couple of old timers having a stupid row!!

[Thule]

Theymos have full control over this forum, if he wants to see a feedback removed, he just need to click button "Remove" rather than wasting his time to blackmail feedback sender

If Theymos removes the feedback by himself, what is the point as the dispute stands, he wants to sort the issue between the disputing parties rather than fighting over and even if he asked both parties to remove the feedback by themselves  there is a point in his approach, to sort the issue.

Will Theymos accept even if there is a conversation is to be seen, only he could shut all these speculations.

Just because theymos demand to take away negative feedback a scam won't change to a non scam.

[Quickseller]

if this is true its good news,theymos is taking actions against abusive members it would be nice if not only lauda,but most of his abusive gang members.

The action, if true, was done in favor of lauda...

Well OG’s trust improved more than the cats.. could be said theymos was looking after OG.

If he was looking solely after OgN he could have given the ultimatum to lauda only. There isn’t any reason to make them both remove feedback if one of them is a scammer.

or everyone could stop with the conspiracy shit and realise that Theymos cares more about the forum than a couple of old timers having a stupid row!!

I didn’t say anything about a conspiracy. I explained why theymos might do this (Lauda has received positive trust subsequent to scamming), and why I thought why this is an example as to why the trust system is not working properly (lauda is selectivity scamming and is supported by many who are conflicted [or are afraid to oppose lauda]). 

[OgNasty]

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda.  

[FFrankie]

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda.  

Why not just tell us the whole story?

If theymos told you not to do it, than why did you?

This sounds like another reason why the trust system is so broken.

[The-One-Above-All]

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda.  

This is what we had thought. There is no way Theymos would act and request legitimate scam tags are removed from persons that have lied for direct financial gain.

Then is seems a very ill advised move. If we consider keeping the board "aware" of people that have previously scammed, been implicated in extortion, shady escrow dealings, and trust abuse.  It stands to reason you do not "forgive" scamming or forget scamming. It is straight forward, you try to scam or extort people out of money you are a scammer. It does not change over time, it does not matter who you are.

I think it in the boards interest to re apply the red tags and if you feel you need to apply additional red tags to be fair then get slapping those down on other people too.

Anyone whom has demonstrated clearly that they are dangerous in financial terms to other members they need a scam tag. Person on DT are not there to say : they are my pals, or we think they are okay now, or they may give us red trust back so we are scared to give red. Give red to scammers or get off DT.  It is no place for the weak or frail. Then entire board is left vulnerable if you fail in your responsibilities.

We are very pleased if what you say about theymos in this instance, is true ( we do trust the word of ognasty). We have been concerned that theymos had seemed to favor these types of dangerous persons over honest members who may kick up a fuss but for the right reasons.

Transparent and fair rules for all persons, so that all members are treated equally. Thats the only way to proceed with this movement.

[Vod]

Well, this should be enough or not?

If theymos really forced OG to remove Laudas tagg

He did not.

But he did.       OG likes to play games, because he was not forced.  He had the choice to remove the trust or be blacklisted from DT, same as Lauda, Anduck and me.  He is the only one lying about it, cause he is a liar. 

[Vod]

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda.  

"IF YOU...." You cherry pick words and lie.  

[TMAN]

Well, this should be enough or not?

If theymos really forced OG to remove Laudas tagg

He did not.

But he did.       OG likes to play games, because he was not forced.  He had the choice to remove the trust or be blacklisted from DT, same as Lauda, Anduck and me.  He is the only one lying about it, cause he is a liar. 

So it’s VOD’s word V OG now.

@theymos @anduck @lauda

Who will bring OBSERVABLE PROOF?

[Vod]

So it’s VOD’s word V OG now.

@theymos @anduck @lauda

Who will bring OBSERVABLE PROOF?

And when OG get exposed as a liar again? 
Nothing will happen - he holds 500 btc of the forums money. 

[FFrankie]

So it’s VOD’s word V OG now.

@theymos @anduck @lauda

Who will bring OBSERVABLE PROOF?

And when OG get exposed as a liar again? 
Nothing will happen - he holds 500 btc of the forums money. 

Where has OG ever been caught in a lie? I don't think someone holding the fourms liar would ever lie. Maybe cherry picking words, and not telling whole truths I do not consider lying. I consider it being a politician

[xolxol]

Theymos doesnt want Lauda and his associates to be on their positions,i guess the end game for these abusers is getting near.
well im going to wait what happens now to these DT abusers  

[Thule]

So it’s VOD’s word V OG now.

@theymos @anduck @lauda

Who will bring OBSERVABLE PROOF?

And when OG get exposed as a liar again?  
Nothing will happen - he holds 500 btc of the forums money.  

@Vod

Any idea why theymos wanted Lauda's negative feedback being removed?

[Vod]

Any idea why theymos wanted Lauda's negative feedback being removed?

Yes. To quote him exactly:

None of you "strongly believes that [any of the others] is a scammer", which is the criteria for negative trust. You're just holding never-ending, self-perpetuating grudges for tiny past grievances which have blown up for no good reason.

I agreed 100%, and have been removing inappropriate trust left for others.  So has Lauda and Anduck.

OG is the only one whose ego has had a problem with this.

[Thule]

Any idea why theymos wanted Lauda's negative feedback being removed?

Yes. To quote him exactly:

None of you "strongly believes that [any of the others] is a scammer", which is the criteria for negative trust. You're just holding never-ending, self-perpetuating grudges for tiny past grievances which have blown up for no good reason.

I agreed 100%, and have been removing inappropriate trust left for others.  So has Lauda and Anduck.

OG is the only one whose ego has had a problem with this.

Thanks i hope theymos will enforce this also for non DT members.

[The-One-Above-All]

So it’s VOD’s word V OG now.

@theymos @anduck @lauda

Who will bring OBSERVABLE PROOF?

And when OG get exposed as a liar again? 
Nothing will happen - he holds 500 btc of the forums money. 

theymos told him to leave laudas red trust there

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theymos told him if he did not remove it, then he would be blacklisted from DT?


these 2 statements seem pretty different. There would certainly have to be some "cherry picking" to convert one to the other.

Perhaps vods and anducks terms were different. I have seen no evidence either of you are implicated or observed to be related in anyway to actual scamming directly. Other than perhaps supporting scammers. That is a bit different.

It could be argued though by NOT red trusting persons you know are scammers or place members at financial risk then you have no business on DT. It is part of your task to red trust scammers and those that place the board members at risk regardless of what happens to your account. People who can NOT risk their own accounts to do the right thing should request themselves to be blacklisted from DT.

LOL look at vod. None of you believe lauda is a scammer??Please, the observable instance of him lying for financial gain (scamming) is concrete. The extortion looks to have a strong case, the escrow looks bad, the trust abuse and silencing of whistle blowers is in black and white. Then it appears you can not believe ANYONE here is a scammer.

When other people lie for financial gain, or there is a strong case they tried to extort another member, or they use trust to silence those that mention observable instances in their past they want hidden, or their escrow looks highly shady then they can NOT get red trust. It is INAPPROPRIATE to give them red trust. LOL

Trust system is totally bogus. Delete it.

You will still get trust abuse in this system until theymos enforces this

1. No hard evidence of scamming people financially  = NO RED TRUST  or DT gets black listed
2. Refusal to red trust a member when shown hard evidence of scamming =  DT gets black listed.

this decentralized system with no strict enforced guidelines, and not only room to abuse but financial incentive to abuse is ridiculous. How could it ever work?  a couple of disobedient DT members getting black listed and they will all fall in line.

[Vod]

theymos told him to leave laudas red trust there

You are a fool.

OG did not state Theymos told him to leave Lauda's red trust.  Don't think Theymos would appreciate that lie...

OG stated "IFyou [believe these filler words],THEN Theymos asked me to leave the trust.

Do you see the cherry picking?  lol

I'll state the fact one more time.   OGNasty was given a choice (not forced!) to remove his trust abuse or be blacklisted from DT.

[The-One-Above-All]

theymos told him to leave laudas red trust there

You are a fool.

OG did not state Theymos told him to leave Lauda's red trust.  Don't think Theymos would appreciate that lie...

OG stated "IFyou [believe these filler words],THEN Theymos asked me to leave the trust.

Do you see the cherry picking?  lol

I'll state the fact one more time.   OGNasty was given a choice (not forced!) to remove his trust abuse or be blacklisted from DT.

Where is theymos to tell us the truth? All this sneaking and snaking around. Transparency when we are dealing with scammers or the treatment of scammers is vital. Every persons fiances depend upon it.

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda.  

I'm sure most would agree that suggests that theymos told him not to remove laudas negative feedback. I very much doubt OG would try to mislead the reader to that degree.  Can we not have some people on DT who are just not scammers and will red trust scammers when shown evidence of their  scamming. How difficult can it actually be?