Colorado school Shooting! (case sealed)

[JSRAW]

Not a good start of morning.

Another Gun violence in USA, target was school once again. according to news 7 8 students were injured and 1 student died in the shooting. 2 suspects already in police custody after shootout and news coming out that one shooter is an adult and other is juvenile, both are student at the same school.

I am aware of that "Gun" issue is very sensitive topic in America. but I as an outsider failed to understand that how come guns are so easily available for civilians and kids. there is something really wrong here and one can not say every time that shooter was a nut job or mentally disturb.

Its only my point of view as a outsider "If someone really need a gun just to feel safe then he-she living in the wrong place"  that's how I look at the gun owners especially civilians in cities.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/colorado-school-shooting-live-updates-several-injured-highlands-ranch-today-live-updates-2019-05-07/

Police identify one suspect

At least one suspect in Tuesday's shooting has been identified as Devon Erickson, 18, the Douglas County Sheriff's Office said. Police said they would not be releasing any photos as they were still conducting interviews.

Police said earlier neither suspect was injured.

The student who died was identified as Kendrick Castillo, 18, a graduating senior. Sheriffs officials said he helped stop one of the shooters.

STEM School will be closed the rest of the week

The STEM School will be closed the remainder of the week, the Douglas County school superintendent said early Wednesday. The rest of Douglas County schools will remain open.

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Students walk out of Colorado school shooting vigil, saying their trauma was being politicized

HIGHLANDS RANCH, Colo.-Gun rights advocates posted support on social media Thursday for Students who walked out of a gun-control rally in anger and tears
over concerns the event inappropriately politicized their grief.

Teen suspects in Colorado school shooting formally charged; case sealed

CASTLE ROCK, Colo. (Reuters) - Two teenagers accused of fatally shooting a classmate and wounding eight others at a Denver-area high school last week were charged with murder and attempted murder on Wednesday.

Devon Erickson, 18, and Alec McKinney, 16, are accused of opening fire on fellow students in two classrooms at the Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) charter school in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, on May 7. McKinney, who identifies as male, was listed on the court docket as Maya Elizabeth McKinney.

Douglas County District Judge Theresa Slade has put the charges along with the entire case file under seal, banning the public from seeing it. Both teenagers were each facing a range of charges including first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, arson and theft.

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Reserve for updates and good arguments from other users.

[Flying Hellfish]

1) Nothing will ever change in the US until they get special interest money out of politics (like the rest of the developed world has done).
2) The common response from Muricans (especially in this nut house lol) is going to be MOAR GUNS, if those poor kids at school were armed
    with their own military hardware they could protect themselves against the crazies....

The US can't even pass legislation to close a well known "gun show" loop hole, something roughly 90% of Americans want.

[okala]

I see this as another effect of gun control in the US, a juvenile carrying gun already and shooting other students the government really need to do something about the guns in the hands of the people without license. Thanks God they were arrested by the police already, the US need to take steps to curtail all this just like other developed countries.

[TECSHARE]

Its only my point of view as a outsider "If someone really need a gun just to feel safe then he-she living in the wrong place"  that's how I look at the gun owners especially civilians in cities.

Why is it you get to decide where others should be living though? Where do you live? Does your nation even have anywhere near 350+ million people in it? Independence and self defense are very core American tenets.

1) Nothing will ever change in the US until they get special interest money out of politics (like the rest of the developed world has done).
2) The common response from Muricans (especially in this nut house lol) is going to be MOAR GUNS, if those poor kids at school were armed
    with their own military hardware they could protect themselves against the crazies....

The US can't even pass legislation to close a well known "gun show" loop hole, something roughly 90% of Americans want.

So you think this is happening because lobbyists are just so good at convincing kids to shoot up schools? What they think school shootings sell guns? I am missing your logic here. Also regarding "get special interest money out of politics (like the rest of the developed world has done)." I only have one thing to say... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH. What a myopic twat.

Hey buddy... when there is a violent person, how is the issue resolved? Usually the plan is to call the police, you know the guys with guns... Now hear me out, I know this is an insane idea for a British subject in the land of Canukistan to grasp, but what if schools had teachers who were willing to get professional training in order to be safely armed in schools so that the good guys with guns are already there instead of having to wait 5-30 minutes for police to respond and then decide if they maybe or maybe not want to actually intervene. In the case of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, the courts ruled the police didn't even have an obligation to respond since they sat outside and let the shootings continue. You are right though, we should continue letting unaccountable 3rd parties be responsible for our safety and the safety of our children. Regarding the "gun show loophole", it doesn't exist. Stop getting your information about our laws from sound bytes.

[nutildah]

It's truly a shame, and it's also a shame that so many Americans are so dead set on not doing anything about it. I don't think educators should have to get firearms training and have to carry a gun in order to do their job, however that's certainly the direction things are headed.

Its only my point of view as a outsider "If someone really need a gun just to feel safe then he-she living in the wrong place"  that's how I look at the gun owners especially civilians in cities.

Why is it you get to decide where others should be living though? Where do you live? Does your nation even have anywhere near 350+ million people in it? Independence and self defense are very core American tenets.

If memory serves, he's from India, which has a population of over 1.3 billion yet far fewer gun deaths a year than America. It would appear mass murder is also an American tenet.

[BitBustah]

Most murders don't receive media attention.  Just because it happens in a school they make a big deal out of it.

Criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what, at least give regular people an option to defend themselves if they want.  Most crimes stem from wealth inequality so that is the issue that needs to be tackled if you want to stop violence.

[JSRAW]

Why is it you get to decide where others should be living though? Where do you live? Does your nation even have anywhere near 350+ million people in it? Independence and self defense are very core American tenets.

No sir, I am not trying to decide about living arrangements of others, I just pointed out the common sense.

As @nutildah pointed out correctly that I am Indian and I only hear news about the gun shooting in my country when some terrorist attack happens or police encounters.
 

The US can't even pass legislation to close a well known "gun show" loop hole, something roughly 90% of Americans want.

Where can I read about that more?

[Flying Hellfish]

Where can I read about that more?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

And of course as predicted the hard alt right wing nut jobs right on Q   MOAR GUNS MURICA FUCK YA

[SaltySpitoon]

Its a tricky issue here, because the proposals to change are too far in the extreme to get support from regular gun owning citizens. Its become a polarizing issue, because people aren't willing to talk about starting reasonable low impact measures, and testing the results. Gun violence is indeed a problem, but the best solution isn't necessarily the most extreme solution, and those are the only ones being proposed.

We could get rid of all rubber duck related fatalities if we executed anyone who owned a rubber duck, but that isn't really the best solution. If you talk to a lot of people that are pro gun rights, they don't have anything bad to say about the responsibility of gun ownership. Many have no problem with requiring basic safety measures, teaching hunters safety, properly storing cleaning, etc. Things that prevent accidents. Guns are just tools, they are a bit more convenient for violence than say a chainsaw in slasher movie style.

Gun responsibility is completely skipped over, and the first reaction after something occurs is, this wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal. People don't seem to realize that minors can't own guns legally. Their possession is illegal, yet they somehow don't seem to obey the law? Laws don't stop criminals, if you are planning on doing something that will result in a life sentence in prison or your death regardless, you don't care how much money you need to spend to obtain a weapon illegally, or the other consequences, which more often fall on the guy who wants a hunting rifle to shoot deer with. If you want to keep guns out of kids hands, teach their parents to keep their weapons unloaded and locked up, you don't need to penalize people who aren't doing anything wrong, in the process of making a statistically futile effort at lowering violence.

[Flying Hellfish]

Its a tricky issue here, because the proposals to change are too far in the extreme to get support from regular gun owning citizens. Its become a polarizing issue, because people aren't willing to talk about starting reasonable low impact measures, and testing the results. Gun violence is indeed a problem, but the best solution isn't necessarily the most extreme solution, and those are the only ones being proposed.

We could get rid of all rubber duck related fatalities if we executed anyone who owned a rubber duck, but that isn't really the best solution. If you talk to a lot of people that are pro gun rights, they don't have anything bad to say about the responsibility of gun ownership. Many have no problem with requiring basic safety measures, teaching hunters safety, properly storing cleaning, etc. Things that prevent accidents. Guns are just tools, they are a bit more convenient for violence than say a chainsaw in slasher movie style.

Gun responsibility is completely skipped over, and the first reaction after something occurs is, this wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal. People don't seem to realize that minors can't own guns legally. Their possession is illegal, yet they somehow don't seem to obey the law? Laws don't stop criminals, if you are planning on doing something that will result in a life sentence in prison or your death regardless, you don't care how much money you need to spend to obtain a weapon illegally, or the other consequences, which more often fall on the guy who wants a hunting rifle to shoot deer with. If you want to keep guns out of kids hands, teach their parents to keep their weapons unloaded and locked up, you don't need to penalize people who aren't doing anything wrong, in the process of making a statistically futile effort at lowering violence.

Only in America is a miltary weapon considered a tool.  A fucking AR-15 is designed to do 1 thing and 1 thing VERY effectively, kill a person.  IMO there is simply no need for the general public to have easy access to these types of weapons.  In all honestly I am personally happy that none of my neighbours are allowed to poses military designed hardware simply because the VAST majority are simply to stupid to be able to safely own such equipment.

My kids have NEVER once been in an active shooter drill at school, I am perfectly fine with not allowing military hardware in the GP's hands if it means my children can actually grow up without fearing being shot at fucking school...

[SaltySpitoon]

Only in America is a miltary weapon considered a tool.  A fucking AR-15 is designed to do 1 thing and 1 thing VERY effectively, kill a person.  IMO there is simply no need for the general public to have easy access to these types of weapons.  In all honestly I am personally happy that none of my neighbours are allowed to poses military designed hardware simply because the VAST majority are simply to stupid to be able to safely own such equipment.

My kids have NEVER once been in an active shooter drill at school, I am perfectly fine with not allowing military hardware in the GP's hands if it means my children can actually grow up without fearing being shot at fucking school...

I wouldn't say that an AR-15 is the best hunting/home defense weapon, but there are very real circumstances where someone may want one. I don't personally care for them, but I don't see why they are stigmatized. Knives are designed to cut, guns are designed to shoot, cars are designed to drive. If someone wants to shoot someone but doesn't have a gun, they can either stab or run down someone. Guns are just a tool, what matters is the intent of the owner.

I do not agree that people need guns to defend themselves in public. I'm fairly against open/concealed carry. If you are in the woods and you are carrying a machete to hack bush, thats fine. If you carry that machete into a grocery store, you deserve whatever is coming your way. If you have a shotgun for home defense, so be it. As long as I don't break into your house, its none of my concern.

If I had to take a stab at one of the major points of the issue is, its that the US is BIG. If there is a federal gun law, it applies to Alaska the same way that it applies to New York. Shootings aren't taking place in Wyoming, they are taking place in population centers.  People do legitimately need guns in some places, in others they may not need them, but as long as they meet certain criteria (an adult, not a felon, etc) and they take responsibility for their tools, so be it.

[nutildah]

Its a tricky issue here, because the proposals to change are too far in the extreme to get support from regular gun owning citizens. Its become a polarizing issue, because people aren't willing to talk about starting reasonable low impact measures, and testing the results. Gun violence is indeed a problem, but the best solution isn't necessarily the most extreme solution, and those are the only ones being proposed.

We could get rid of all rubber duck related fatalities if we executed anyone who owned a rubber duck, but that isn't really the best solution. If you talk to a lot of people that are pro gun rights, they don't have anything bad to say about the responsibility of gun ownership. Many have no problem with requiring basic safety measures, teaching hunters safety, properly storing cleaning, etc. Things that prevent accidents. Guns are just tools, they are a bit more convenient for violence than say a chainsaw in slasher movie style.

Gun responsibility is completely skipped over, and the first reaction after something occurs is, this wouldn't have happened if guns were illegal. People don't seem to realize that minors can't own guns legally. Their possession is illegal, yet they somehow don't seem to obey the law? Laws don't stop criminals, if you are planning on doing something that will result in a life sentence in prison or your death regardless, you don't care how much money you need to spend to obtain a weapon illegally, or the other consequences, which more often fall on the guy who wants a hunting rifle to shoot deer with. If you want to keep guns out of kids hands, teach their parents to keep their weapons unloaded and locked up, you don't need to penalize people who aren't doing anything wrong, in the process of making a statistically futile effort at lowering violence.

Only in America is a miltary weapon considered a tool.  A fucking AR-15 is designed to do 1 thing and 1 thing VERY effectively, kill a person.  IMO there is simply no need for the general public to have easy access to these types of weapons.  In all honestly I am personally happy that none of my neighbours are allowed to poses military designed hardware simply because the VAST majority are simply to stupid to be able to safely own such equipment.

My kids have NEVER once been in an active shooter drill at school, I am perfectly fine with not allowing military hardware in the GP's hands if it means my children can actually grow up without fearing being shot at fucking school...

Right, that and rubber duckys aren't exactly designed to be weapons.

Laws don't stop criminals but making it harder for them to acquire a gun might.

Let's just say there weren't more guns than people in America. That would mean their scarcity would drive their black market price up and potentially put them out of reach of at least some would-be mass murdering psychos.

I'm not saying guns need to be banned outright but there's definitely some room for improvement in current legislation.

[SaltySpitoon]

Right, that and rubber duckys aren't exactly designed to be weapons.

Laws don't stop criminals but making it harder for them to acquire a gun might.

Let's just say there weren't more guns than people in America. That would mean their scarcity would drive their black market price up and potentially put them out of reach of at least some would-be mass murdering psychos.

I'm not saying guns need to be banned outright but there's definitely some room for improvement in current legislation.

The (original) nuclear bomb wasn't designed to be a weapon, and silly putty was supposed to contribute towards the war effort in WW2. The intent behind its creation doesn't really matter, how people use it is what matters.

I agree, there is room for improvement with regulation, but the popular pushes are typically far too extreme, thats why they can't gather enough support. My point is that many gun owners understand and respect the tools they own. They cringe just as hard if not harder when someone does something stupid that gives guns a bad name. Scarcity would drive up price, correct, but do you think mass murdering psychos care about emptying out their bank accounts? They don't really need to worry about next month's rent. Lets be honest here, the kids that are doing school shootings aren't buying guns from the black market, they are getting them from irresponsible adults.

If I had to TLDR this, I'm for reasonable regulatory changes with more emphasis on personal responsibility. I just think that the typical pro gun control argument is just as extreme as the far right pro gun argument. You don't get progress fighting fire with fire, you get progress by making reasonable demands and concessions.

I think there lies a greater problem than guns though. Violence glorifying culture + hormonal/bad decision making + constant bombardment of information by social media/news is a bad combination. Prior to Columbine,  gun ownership laws were even less strict, yet because it wasn't glorified previously, it wasn't a common occurrence. I'm not saying the media is at fault here, but slapping a ban guns bandaid on probably won't change anything, and just creates more enemies.

[TECSHARE]

It's truly a shame, and it's also a shame that so many Americans are so dead set on not doing anything about it. I don't think educators should have to get firearms training and have to carry a gun in order to do their job, however that's certainly the direction things are headed.

Its only my point of view as a outsider "If someone really need a gun just to feel safe then he-she living in the wrong place"  that's how I look at the gun owners especially civilians in cities.

Why is it you get to decide where others should be living though? Where do you live? Does your nation even have anywhere near 350+ million people in it? Independence and self defense are very core American tenets.

If memory serves, he's from India, which has a population of over 1.3 billion yet far fewer gun deaths a year than America. It would appear mass murder is also an American tenet.

Wow. Very impressive. What you are basically telling me is if you don't own a car your chances of dying in a car accident drop significantly, so you decide it is best no one own any cars as you unilaterally ignore all of the other benefits of ownership. In this case, you ignore the fact that India, while it has less REPORTED "gun crime" it also has a murder rate that is 3 times as high (among other problems gun ownership helps with). https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

Where can I read about that more?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

And of course as predicted the hard alt right wing nut jobs right on Q   MOAR GUNS MURICA FUCK YA

Wow, you proved the concept exists. Good for you, you still don't know shit you muppet. Let me ask you a question. Is a criminal, some one who is willing to murder people, going to be restrained by the fact that he knows paperwork is required for him to own a gun? Is that going to prevent him from stealing one, or buying on on the black market if he wants it? No? Then all you are doing is regulating guns out of the hands of LAW ABIDING citizens.

Lets try another analogy. Opiates are potentially dangerous but also have legitimate benefits for some people. They are tightly controlled and contraband unless tracked and issued by a registered professional. Now if I get prescribed Oxycontin and I go home with it, is the fact that it is illegal to transfer to a 3rd party going to stop me from doing so considering I don't care about the law in this theoretical situation? Of course not. This is why your horse shit about gun show loop holes is meaningless because all it does is strip law abiding gun owners of their rights. Everyone knows prohibition and more regulations have done wonders for the drug war right? RIGHT? Of course, the issue is not really drugs or guns now is it, but the real causes are not ones Communists like you are willing to explore, so these make convenient scapegoats.

You aren't actually breaking any of this down logically, you are just running around drooling yelling "GUNS R BAD!", never once being informed about any of these subjects beyond what you feel. Frankly I don't give a fuck what a British subject has to say about our rights as free humans to defend ourselves anyway. You are a royal subject preaching the virtues of your subservience and servitude.

[Xenrise]

I can see that the problem in here is the security of the school itself. None of this will happen if they better the security. I'm not from US but I have a question, does American schools have high security or having a security guard for the school premises? On my country we have. I think this should serve a lesson to all schools for the betterment of their security.

Have you ever heard of passing by catastrophe? Is this true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_by_catastrophe. Somehow it's connected to this.

[Flying Hellfish]

Only in America is a miltary weapon considered a tool.  A fucking AR-15 is designed to do 1 thing and 1 thing VERY effectively, kill a person.  IMO there is simply no need for the general public to have easy access to these types of weapons.  In all honestly I am personally happy that none of my neighbours are allowed to poses military designed hardware simply because the VAST majority are simply to stupid to be able to safely own such equipment.

My kids have NEVER once been in an active shooter drill at school, I am perfectly fine with not allowing military hardware in the GP's hands if it means my children can actually grow up without fearing being shot at fucking school...

I wouldn't say that an AR-15 is the best hunting/home defense weapon, but there are very real circumstances where someone may want one. I don't personally care for them, but I don't see why they are stigmatized. Knives are designed to cut, guns are designed to shoot, cars are designed to drive. If someone wants to shoot someone but doesn't have a gun, they can either stab or run down someone. Guns are just a tool, what matters is the intent of the owner.

I do not agree that people need guns to defend themselves in public. I'm fairly against open/concealed carry. If you are in the woods and you are carrying a machete to hack bush, thats fine. If you carry that machete into a grocery store, you deserve whatever is coming your way. If you have a shotgun for home defense, so be it. As long as I don't break into your house, its none of my concern.

If I had to take a stab at one of the major points of the issue is, its that the US is BIG. If there is a federal gun law, it applies to Alaska the same way that it applies to New York. Shootings aren't taking place in Wyoming, they are taking place in population centers.  People do legitimately need guns in some places, in others they may not need them, but as long as they meet certain criteria (an adult, not a felon, etc) and they take responsibility for their tools, so be it.

I agree banning all guns is ridiculous, my personal problem is with military style weapons.  

but I don't see why they are stigmatized

It's probably because it's the weapon of choice when nut jobs decide to kill people as fast as possible while being EASILY available to anyone.  If the light saber existed and was used as often as an AR-15 is to kill kids then I would assume light sabers would have a bad stigma as well.

If someone wants to shoot someone but doesn't have a gun, they can either stab or run down someone. Guns are just a tool, what matters is the intent of the owner.

But if someone wants to inflict maximum damage to maximum people while maintaining distance from the vitcims, neither a knife or car will do nearly as much.  Can't get my car into a church or school, if I have to knife everyone I can't do it from the room of a hotel and I won't get a chance to kill anywhere near as many people as I can with military hardware.

[JSRAW]

In this case, you ignore the fact that India, while it has less REPORTED "gun crime" it also has a murder rate that is 3 times as high (among other problems gun ownership helps with). https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

First thing first, It's not about India vs USA. Which I am sure you and me both agree. Having said that I want to correct you here, hope you don't mind, and if you think I am wrong, then please let me know so that I can correct myself.

Posting screenshot of data which you provided, its for other users who don't want to click on the given link.


With due respect, You posted link and didn't even care to look at your source or what does it say and mean?

The 3x murder rate you are quoting is a record of the country which has a population of more than 1.2 billion people. It's not rocket science why India has more (3x) murder rate in comparison to America.

But again, it's just common sense.

Please compare the Gun crime ranking.
USA -1
India-105

[TECSHARE]

In this case, you ignore the fact that India, while it has less REPORTED "gun crime" it also has a murder rate that is 3 times as high (among other problems gun ownership helps with). https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/India/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

First thing first, It's not about India vs USA. Which I am sure you and me both agree. Having said that I want to correct you here, hope you don't mind, and if you think I am wrong, then please let me know so that I can correct myself.

Posting screenshot of data which you provided, its for other users who don't want to click on the given link.


With due respect, You posted link and didn't even care to look at your source or what does it say and mean?

The 3x murder rate you are quoting is a record of the country which has a population of more than 1.2 billion people. It's not rocket science why India has more (3x) murder rate in comparison to America.

But again, it's just common sense.

Please compare the Gun crime ranking.
USA -1
India-105

With due respect, you criticized my source without actually reading it yourself, what does it say or mean? The stats I linked are already adjusted per-capita, so your argument is null. No this is not about the USA vs India, it is about the costs and benefits of gun ownership and the right to self defense. Everyone loves comparing the rest of the world to the US relating to "gun crimes" but then they cry about how it is not a contest when the stats work the OTHER way.

Comparing the gun crime ranking is like comparing the automotive death rate of the Amish vs the general car driving population. No shit they have less gun crime, because they don't have any access to guns to enjoy their benefits or their faults. Since cars kill so many people we should ban them. Since so many people drown in pools we should ban them too! Some people overeat we should ban food! Do you see how your logic breaks down when extended to its logical conclusions?

[SaltySpitoon]

I agree banning all guns is ridiculous, my personal problem is with military style weapons.  

but I don't see why they are stigmatized

It's probably because it's the weapon of choice when nut jobs decide to kill people as fast as possible while being EASILY available to anyone.  If the light saber existed and was used as often as an AR-15 is to kill kids then I would assume light sabers would have a bad stigma as well.

If someone wants to shoot someone but doesn't have a gun, they can either stab or run down someone. Guns are just a tool, what matters is the intent of the owner.

But if someone wants to inflict maximum damage to maximum people while maintaining distance from the vitcims, neither a knife or car will do nearly as much.  Can't get my car into a church or school, if I have to knife everyone I can't do it from the room of a hotel and I won't get a chance to kill anywhere near as many people as I can with military hardware.

Well first, we'd need to break down two things you said. One, what is a military style weapon, and two, how do you define easily available to anyone? Not being facetious at all here, but are you familiar with the gun buying process in the US? The private sales thing was mentioned before, and while I agree that falls under the category of a law that should be sured up, private sales like the link you posted previously are only allowed in some states. In addition, they make up a very small percentage of gun purchases. If a kid or any other wacko had slipped through the cracks and purchased a gun from a gun show, it'd be the poster argument for gun control. Because it hasn't yet happened to my knowledge, its a concern, but not a major one.

AR 15s aren't anything special, they just aesthetically look like something you'd see on a battlefield. If they were painted camo colored and equipped with a scope, they wouldn't be any different than any other semi automatic rifle that people use hunting. If your concern is capacity, you can get a Tommy gun with a 100 round drum, but those don't seem that popular right now. If you want to inflict maximum damage to maximum people, that right there is your problem. Luckily for us, more efficient means haven't been popularized by the media yet (to reiterate, no I'm not blaming the media). Hell, imagine how much damage you could do with $30 worth of household cleaners mixed together? You probably wouldn't have any problem bringing them into a building in plain sight either. Screw trying to sneak a weapon onto an airplane, how much damage do you think a criminal could do by poisoning a vat of Coke after a quality assurance test?

Side note to ease off of such a heavy topic, if you haven't seen it, there is a really good episode of Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia that does a pretty good comedy jab at the issue from both sides.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2999348/