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May 10, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
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Some of the negative trusts I've left are retaliatory feedback, while that user doesn't remove their initial feedback the retaliation is important however I feel that the date should stay the same and the description so is there a way to make a button that turns neg trust into neutral?

This came up in a thread yesterday but it wasn't the main topic of discussion so I thought I'd make a thread where it is.

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May 10, 2019, 05:24:16 PM
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That'll be quite handy, for there are trusts that are earned over time and deserve to be changed, though the history should somehow remain important as this proves that the person already has a history of doing bad trades and could cause quite another problem in the future if the urge to do so hits. Also, if one party already gets in good terms with another whom they have had bad history with, this could help. As they say, one can always forgive but should never forget, and the trust feature should also recognize that.

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May 10, 2019, 05:25:44 PM
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Or maybe an edit button wherein the feedback will turn to neutral, negative or positive or vice versa. Maybe more feature that even the description will be edited as well for some adjustment or add another description but doesn't touch the date it has been given or show edit history just like what we see on self-moderated threads.

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May 10, 2019, 05:40:36 PM
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If you say if you want to change the nature of trust (from negative to neutral or positive) it simply means that your old feedback is not valid.
Better to delete the feedback and write the new one.

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May 10, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
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If you say if you want to change the nature of trust (from negative to neutral or positive) it simply means that your old feedback is not valid.
Better to delete the feedback and write the new one.

It just looks weird though if it's a really old trust rating.

Or maybe an edit button wherein the feedback will turn to neutral, negative or positive or vice versa. Maybe more feature that even the description will be edited as well for some adjustment or add another description but doesn't touch the date it has been given or show edit history just like what we see on self-moderated threads.

Maybe positive to neutral or negative to neutral would be a good idea. I don't think negative to positive or the other way round is really practical. Also editing might be interesting in appending to stuff after an [edited on: date] if you forgot something or maybe an edit within 30 minutes much like posting for if you make a mistake but don't want to start over.

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May 10, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
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Or maybe an edit button wherein the feedback will turn to neutral, negative or positive or vice versa. Maybe more feature that even the description will be edited as well for some adjustment or add another description but doesn't touch the date it has been given or show edit history just like what we see on self-moderated threads.

I am up with this idea. Regarding date I think it would be good to have something like we have against posts like "Edited .." but in case of trust like showing "Revised..." while hovering over the date and a underline beneath the date if the feedback has been revised.

Appreciate jackg bringing this up. Would help a lot.  Cheesy
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May 10, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
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Just changing a negative to neutral in many cases wouldn't make much sense to anyone who wasn't aware of the change without adding an additional comment explaining what you had done and your reasoning behind it. I think you would need a full "edit" button rather than just a "change rating" button, which I'm not sure I agree with as it is too open to abuse.

If you are deleting old ratings and replacing with new ones, you can always add in a simple comment that says "Replacing old negative rating from insert date".


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May 10, 2019, 06:59:55 PM
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is there a way to make a button that turns neg trust into neutral?
If this gets implemented, can it be a one-time one-way button? Only red to neutral, and maybe add the date when it was changed?
The button can even be called "burying the hatchet".

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May 10, 2019, 07:05:08 PM
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is there a way to make a button that turns neg trust into neutral?
If this gets implemented, can it be a one-time one-way button? Only red to neutral, and maybe add the date when it was changed?
The button can even be called "burying the hatchet".

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May 10, 2019, 07:20:46 PM
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Perhaps edit button would be appropriate like we are able to edit post, and also date are reflecting when it was edited. So same option would help us to change feedback's. There should same everything like when we left feedback. We will able to change and edit feedback at the same time from there. Edited date would be appropriate on the feedback.

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May 10, 2019, 07:59:12 PM
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In the first place, it doesn't feel right leaving retaliatory feedbacks on accounts, that wasn't the purpose of the trust system. We should always try to be the bigger person especially when your feedbacks can plays a role on the users trust score.
I don't support altering any feedback. Just delete your feedback if you decide to forgive him/her for past mistakes. If we abstain ourselves from wrong use of the trust system there won't be any need for alterations of.our feedbacks.


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May 10, 2019, 08:46:59 PM
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In the first place, it doesn't feel right leaving retaliatory feedbacks on accounts

Retaliation is a fact of life.  The smallest creatures do it, the most powerful men on the planet do it. 

Someone does something you feel is wrong, you have the power to let them know - why wouldn't you?

Even nature "retaliates" to stupid low or high pressure systems...

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May 10, 2019, 11:18:23 PM
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In the first place, it doesn't feel right leaving retaliatory feedbacks on accounts

Retaliation is a fact of life.  The smallest creatures do it, the most powerful men on the planet do it. 

That is certainly true.
To me, not deleting retaliatory feedback is suggesting you accept the feedback they gave you as being accurate. My only alternative would be the ability to leave trust on my own trust page which is clearly a bad idea...

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May 11, 2019, 06:27:44 AM
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In the first place, it doesn't feel right leaving retaliatory feedbacks on accounts

Retaliation is a fact of life.  The smallest creatures do it, the most powerful men on the planet do it.  

If you feel the need to leave a feedback, make use of the neutral button (my opinion), if the fake feedback left on you account doesn't affect your trust score, you just have to ignore it but if it does affect your trust score (fake feedbacks), you appeal or isn't that what you guys preach?. Leaving a retaliatory feedbacks won't help the issue. I'm not trying to lecture you on the trust system or anything, you're a veteran member of the forum so you have more experience then me (on forum) but combatting evil with evil never resolved an issue. Almost everybody is doing it, doesn't make it right.

I too have fake feedbacks on my account, but haven't retaliated I see it as downgrading myself.


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May 11, 2019, 07:50:20 AM
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If you say if you want to change the nature of trust (from negative to neutral or positive) it simply means that your old feedback is not valid.
Better to delete the feedback and write the new one.
Of course, some of these feedbacks aren't valid. Just retaliations. Even the OP has rightly admitted that. He isn't the only one who has done that.


The one that gets me really worried is this - What happens when a member dies after leaving a red trust and the issue is later resolved?

Anyone knows?


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May 11, 2019, 07:58:47 AM
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What happens when a member dies after leaving a red trust and the issue is later resolved?

For now the affected account will recieve a counter positive trust from DT members but I believe if the matter is that serious, maybe if the accusations might affect the user outside the forum, theymos will step in to remove the trust.

Here's an example;
Unfortunately, Zepher is dead. I will put in a counter-positive trust. You will need to contact suchmoon and lauda to have their negative trust removed.


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May 11, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
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What happens when a member dies after leaving a red trust and the issue is later resolved?
theymos will step in to remove the trust.
Theymos is a busy lord. Such issues may not draw his attention. Even the affected user, "SwingFirst" expresses doubt on Theymos or any of the admins' intervention on such.

l formulate something for theymos when I have the time to, hopefully it will be possible to remove Zepher's negative trust from my profile. However I'm not sure that the forum administrators do such things. Worth a shot though, for sure. Smiley
However, I wish issues like this are speedily done with.


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May 11, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
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You don't quote a part of my post, removing what I said which will make my words have a different meaning. I said if the matter was serious, theymos will step in. I didn't mean theymos will show interest in all false accusations maybe if there waa a life threating scenario that involves government bodys or imprisonment that counter-positive trust won't solve the issue he'll step in to remove the trust feedback that's if it has been proven to be a false accusation.

SwingFirst situation wasn't a life threating scenario that's why theymos didn't show interest. His case have already been resolved through counter-positive feedback left by DT members.

(Just my assumption not guarantee solution).


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May 11, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
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SwingFirst situation wasn't a life threating scenario that's why theymos didn't show interest. His case have already been resolved through counter-positive feedback left by DT members.

(Just my assumption not guarantee solution).

I agree that SwingFirst's situation isn't life threatening; however, now if anyone leaves a positive trust rating, it will only increase his trust score by one rather than potentially increasing his trust score by ten. Also, the positive trust left before Zepher's negative comment do not count at all toward the score. If Zepher's trust rating could be removed and Jet Cash and I removed our counterpositives, SwingFirst would enjoy a score of +40 rather than +1. Oh well, I guess it is only a number.

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