Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin?

[Vod]

You are essentially extorting other forum members to scare them out of not being critical of you out of fear you will make frivolous reports of crimes to start an investigation by the SEC (which is very expensive on the part of the person being investigated, even if there is no wrongdoing).   

Much like you trying to extort me by hinting you made a frivolous report of a crime to start an investigation by the Edmonton Police Service (which could be embarrassing to me, even if there is no wrongdoing)

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

I haven't been following this recent drama

How inconvenient..

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment.  I saw some thread where there was some back-and-forth arguing between Vod and OgNasty, but my defective attention span kept me from seeing the details of what they were arguing about.  What I read had nothing to do with any tax evasion issues, so that must have been in another thread that I missed.  I'm human, sue me.

Sicking the IRS on a fellow crypto user is low and dirty..
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"Be careful over at Bitcointalk guys, if you make them mad they'll send the feds to raid you."

I understand your position, believe me.  As I said, I don't think Vod should take any action against OgNasty, no matter how bad the relationship is between them, and I gave my reason why.  However, I'm not sure the forum's reputation would be damaged if Vod does end up reporting OgNasty to the IRS.  Bitcointalk is wall-to-wall scammers, liars, and morons as it is and if anything Vod's actions would just make members more careful about what kind of information they share about themselves.  It wouldn't kill the forum.  It wouldn't even give it a paper cut.

[eddie13]

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment. 

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.. It's just strange to me that I'm one of the only ones that sees this and has a problem with it..
Maybe their is something wrong with the way I think because it looks like plenty of people see it, and even encourage him, like......

OG and his Nasty Tax Scam...
Merited by Foxpup (3), Hhampuz (2), marlboroza (1), coinlocket$ (1)

This address has been confirmed in the video OG posted on Youtube

Personal info has been removed, as I don't want to be a party to home invasion.  The IRS is the only one that needs it.

I guess a bunch of the usual forum police like the idea of Vod doxing him and using the IRS as a weapon against him.. It just doesn't sit too well with me.. 

[OgNasty]

I think you’re irrelevant to Bitcoin. You only exist on this forum as a lying douchebag and now everyone knows it.

[suchmoon]

Vod, I think you're "a friend of Bitcoin". I disagree with doxing OgNasty or reporting him to the IRS though. He's a proper douchenozzle and deserves to be exposed for the stupid shit he does on the forum but I haven't seen a reason to take it outside of the forum.

[bill gator]

It's always incredibly confusing for me to have to read between the lines for everything that is being discussed in Reputation.

Vod asks "Am I friend or foe of Bitcoin?", and elaborates with "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?", but for some reason if I were to answer those questions at face value I would probably be looked at as a fool. Wouldn't it be easier to just say what you mean?

I would say almost anyone in our community is a friend of Bitcoin; regardless of how you feel about another member, their projects or organizations that are Bitcoin related. Having different visions of the path that our community or Bitcoin should take doesn't make you a foe, or an enemy. The questions about reporting fraud is irrelevant to Bitcoin, in my opinion, because you could replace the word "crypto" or "Bitcoin" with fiat and the meaning doesn't change. Reporting the actions of an individual has nothing to do with Bitcoin, unless the contingency is the fact that it involves Bitcoin, then I would say it has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If you had similar suspicions about someone doing the same thing, minus the crypto/bitcoin would that change your course of action?

These questions your asking seem to have less to do with Bitcoin, and more with how you feel about an individual.
Reminds me of our good pal killyou72's thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141664.0

[marlboroza]

Funnily enough they, vod, sbogovac, marlboroza, are not even from the US and seem delighted in sicking the US IRS on him..

How about you stop spreading lies about me around the forum? Asking questions and quoting someones posts =/= whatever you say it is.

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment.  

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.. It's just strange to me that I'm one of the only ones that sees this and has a problem with it..
Maybe their is something wrong with the way I think because it looks like plenty of people see it, and even encourage him, like......

OG and his Nasty Tax Scam...
Merited by Foxpup (3), Hhampuz (2), marlboroza (1), coinlocket$ (1)

The same as you think post #2 "this is stupid" is interesting and constructive , I think original thread was interesting and constructive. It would be reckless to use merit system as a like system, don't you agree?

As for topic:

The poll question is:  "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?"

It don't think it does, it shouldn't be different than reporting suspected fraud committed with real money, as for "Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin?" you are friend. I like to remember when you came to Croatian local to warn people that someone is scammer. Only friend of community will do such thing.

[Vod]

Vod asks "Am I friend or foe of Bitcoin?", and elaborates with "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?", but for some reason if I were to answer those questions at face value I would probably be looked at as a fool. Wouldn't it be easier to just say what you mean?

I thought I did?  

You'll have to blame the forum poll system on this one.  It provides a separate place for a topic discussion title, and a poll question.

I tried to make the poll as simple as possible - two different opposable options without all the garbage choices other people make in polls.  

I even took the time to reiterate the actual poll question in the topic thread!  I see now that people respond more to the title to the poll, so next time I will make them identical.  Copy/Paste with no added info.

Anyway, the poll was based on OG posting I was a "DANGER" to bitcoin.  He has now redacted that to post I'm irrelevant to bitcoin.    

[bill gator]

This is normally why I don't involve myself in Reputation threads; it's above my pay-grade. I need things explained to me like I'm a toddler. With my limited understanding of the situation, can you help me understand why another person's opinion matters enough to genuinely seek a community consensus on the matter? If this is a personality clash between two individuals, then where do any of us come in? Especially if your intent is to seek legal action against that person, it would seem best to discuss this sort of thing with a legal team, others on a need-to-know basis and nobody else.

When I see quotes like this

there is no accuracy to this poll.

Anyway, the poll was based on ... now redacted ... post   

it makes me wonder what the intended purpose of the thread was to begin with. I understand the "redaction" was more recent than the creation of the thread, but then why continue with the thread now that it has been "redacted"?

[Vod]

This is normally why I don't involve myself in Reputation threads; it's above my pay-grade. I need things explained to me like I'm a toddler. With my limited understanding of the situation, can you help me understand why another person's opinion matters enough to genuinely seek a community consensus on the matter?

OG likes to use the words "everyone" and "community" to make his points.  I wanted to show he is wrong.  Hope that is OK. 

it makes me wonder what the intended purpose of the thread was to begin with. I understand the "redaction" was more recent than the creation of the thread, but then why continue with the thread now that it has been "redacted"?

You are suggesting I lock this thread and give OG more fuel?

Anyway, he has already redacted his claim I am irrelevant by further posting I am "enemy to the community".

It is hard to keep up with his bullshit.  :/  Now he is posting I didn't even put my name to the complaint.  He seems to imagine what the agent said and imagine what I did, and pass those off as facts.  Can't he just wait until they contact him? 

His delusions build on assumptions built on cherry picking.

[eddie13]

Funnily enough they, vod, sbogovac, marlboroza, are not even from the US and seem delighted in sicking the US IRS on him..

How about you stop spreading lies about me around the forum? Asking questions and quoting someones posts =/= whatever you say it is.

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment.  

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.. It's just strange to me that I'm one of the only ones that sees this and has a problem with it..
Maybe their is something wrong with the way I think because it looks like plenty of people see it, and even encourage him, like......

OG and his Nasty Tax Scam...
Merited by Foxpup (3), Hhampuz (2), marlboroza (1), coinlocket$ (1)

The same as you think post #2 "this is stupid" is interesting and constructive , I think original thread was interesting and constructive. It would be reckless to use merit system as a like system, don't you agree?

hmm...
So either my statement that it "seem"s you are delighted to see vod doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is wrong, or, I am wrong that you are not from the US?

You think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it, and I think speaking up against doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it..
Right? Or did you just think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "interesting"?
Was "delighted" the wrong word to use? You merited his dox...

If I am wrong here I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I am not a liar. It must be that you are difficult for me to understand as we have had this problem before..
If you are accusing me of spreading lies or lying I wish you would be more clear about exactly what you are talking about but I can assure you I do not intend to spread lies..

it makes me wonder what the intended purpose of the thread was to begin with.

I think it is probably a loaded poll biased toward justifying him reporting OG to the IRS and maybe a slick way to get the community's support behind him on it, or to show community support for it, while leaving out key details of what it is ultimately about, that I felt the need to add to the discussion..

[Vod]

I disagree with doxing OgNasty or reporting him to the IRS though. He's a proper douchenozzle and deserves to be exposed for the stupid shit he does on the forum but I haven't seen a reason to take it outside of the forum.

I have to respectfully disagree.  

This forum is a built up cesspool right now.  People need a release and it won't happen on this forum.

Everyone needs a big reminder that what you post here has real life implications.  OG agrees with me.  (Note:  by using everyone, I am not thinking everyone is part of the cesspool)

Regardless of the outcome, I believe IRS awareness will calm things down.  I'd also like to see QS report me to the police and get that rumor settled too!

One of us will win, one of us will lose, but everyone will benefit from this.

[bill gator]

You are suggesting I lock this thread and give OG more fuel?

Don't you think the framing of that question is a little unfair? I was suggesting deescalation, or at least dealing with each other privately.

OG likes to use the words "everyone" and "community" to make his points.  I wanted to show he is wrong.  Hope that is OK. 

You don't need anyone's blessing to speak your mind. I'm still confused how you intend to show anything on the basis of a poll without accuracy.

Would clicking "Ignore" be a consideration? If your intention is to not give any more fuel to the issue, then surely responding directly to their claims is not assisting your cause.

[Vod]

Would clicking "Ignore" be a consideration? If your intention is to not give any more fuel to the issue, then surely responding directly to their claims is not assisting your cause.

Agreed. 

[marlboroza]

I wish you would be more clear about exactly what you are talking about but I can assure you I do not intend to spread lies..

I was clear enough.

[OgNasty]

Would clicking "Ignore" be a consideration? If your intention is to not give any more fuel to the issue, then surely responding directly to their claims is not assisting your cause.

Agreed. 

Now that you realize you’ve broken laws and will be in hot water you want to press ignore? A bit late. Let me know if you want to negotiate a settlement and I’ll send you contact info for my legal representation.

[Privcy Foundation]

I dont trust anyone on this forum, they all have a price they will scam for, its just higher for certain people.  I'm glad that Vod is exposing OGnasty, that boy better be packing a gun and have his physical security taken care of, never know when some "visitors" are going to knock on his door.

[Hhampuz]

Friend .

[legendster]

I hate you. I've always hated you. That's because you are right most of the times. But when I came around you too were critical of me. So was Tomatocage and basically everyone that abused me on that Exotic car brokering thread.

Anyways. I do think that reporting someone for scammy shit - no matter their rank or stature is the right thing to do. Even if that person is legitimate they will prove their legitimacy through the trial that the community puts them through. You did that, always and for that I like you.

However, it will disrupt the immediate business plans of that guy. Which is a good thing if he was a scammer, to begin with, otherwise you've ruined someone's life dream based on a hunch. And sir, no matter how good your hunch is, without evidence, it still is a hunch.

And please don't doxx someone. The reason most of us joined crypto is because we like our privacy, not because we want to hide something, its because 'we like our privacy'.

"Be careful over at Bitcointalk guys, if you make them mad they'll send the feds to raid you."

Infinity better than "Do what you want at Bitcointalk guys, they turn a blind eye to crime if they can make money."

Actually no.

You are essentially extorting other forum members to scare them out of not being critical of you out of fear you will make frivolous reports of crimes to start an investigation by the SEC (which is very expensive on the part of the person being investigated, even if there is no wrongdoing).   

And I hate to admit it, Quikie is on the point here.

If you believe anyone is running a big enough game for 6 years, then put the funds together, you old timers are millionaires, you guys can afford a private detective agency. Gather evidence and THEN report to whichever authority you please.

But even then, do not publicly dox someone, it ruins lives and the punishment that the doxxed person faces is beyond any reasonable scale and financially crippling.

[Vod]

Anyways. I do think that reporting someone for scammy shit - no matter their rank or stature is the right thing to do. Even if that person is legitimate they will prove their legitimacy through the trial that the community puts them through. You did that, always and for that I like you.

This community has become a pissing contest over who can lie better.  It no longer functions and needs a reboot.

I simply copied info found a million places on the web.  OG sent out his address to everyone he scammed.  He hasn't tried to be private - he has relied on his ability to lie publicly to make a living.

It's done - I've pressed the reboot button.  Now we will see what comes of it.   You can lie to Theymos, but not the government.