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Seems she made mistake on past, and her ban is appropriate as well according to forum rules. But some case are excusable and a self made account being parma ban for previous mistake just for single plagiarism. It's really not appreciated. Yes, she may deserve any temp punishment like you said signature ban for a spam of time or temp ban for few weeks etc. She has been contributing for forum and I have noticed it from beginning. And I believe she isn't spammer at all like other people's. I would like request to theymos please reconsider that case and give her a chance (second chance) for her contribution, so that we will get few good contributions from her. OP, please try to contact theymos via PM or mail. Use this thread as a reference hope he will forgive you. DON'T GIVE UP. |
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Lafu
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Sad to hear that and i am already the same thinking as all others have written !
You was doing a nice job and work for fighting about against Spammers and Scammers !
For sure Rules are Rules and write to theymos and appeal about the ban because he already has written that in some post that if there is a user that is positive for the forum its possible for that the he get unbanned !
Good Luck on that and hope you will get an answer from him soon !
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r1s2g3
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I am alive but in hibernation.
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May 11, 2019, 03:38:43 PM |
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Look like none of the user included in my custom trust list has included you because your sent feedback is not appearing as trusted to me.
Is anyone in DT is planning to doubling up the OP sent negative ratings?
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Quickseller
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I support a temp ban in ~all cases in which only a small amount of plagiarism is involved AND it happened a long time ago. Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum. |
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May 11, 2019, 06:49:28 PM |
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Honestly I have seen so many post from you where you revealed many plagiarism issues but its really surprising for me that you have done the same mistake in past. Feeling really sad after seeing this thread. We have worked together on scam accusation section to keep our forum safer from fraudulent activators.
I hope our forum admin will reconsider your case because I believe your previous work for forum was really helpful for the community and it deserve a second chance.
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Quickseller
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May 11, 2019, 06:51:38 PM |
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Honestly I have seen so many post from you where you revealed many plagiarism issues but its really surprising for me that you have done the same mistake in past.
If this is true, he should have known better. He also would have had the opportunity to review his old posts and delete any that were plagiarized. |
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Yabes
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May 12, 2019, 05:27:30 AM |
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If the account remains banned, will it remain on DT1 indefinitely or will theymos manually remove it? Having DT1 accounts which are banned, and therefore will never update their trust lists pending new situations/behavior/evidence/etc. seems counter-productive.
It's seems like automatically detected by system. Proved by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust user OP already crossed out. |
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suchmoon
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May 12, 2019, 05:39:13 AM |
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If the account remains banned, will it remain on DT1 indefinitely or will theymos manually remove it? Having DT1 accounts which are banned, and therefore will never update their trust lists pending new situations/behavior/evidence/etc. seems counter-productive.
It's seems like automatically detected by system. Proved by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust user OP already crossed out. No, that's because other DT1 members excluded her: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview |
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tranthidung
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May 12, 2019, 11:07:57 PM |
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In the spreadsheet, I see that the company lasted 8 weeks and ended on June 29, 2018
Tell me please, the bounty company has really ended, and when will our bets be calculated for the work done?
Maybe, on that day lovesmayfamilis was too lazy to ask for bounty payments and copied & pasted post of another participant of that campaign. It would have been better if using quote to repeat the question, the account has likely been fined. I agreed that lovesmayfamilis should have another opportunity (with ban uplift) based on general positive net-effects in the forum with his/ her general contributions (scam findings - 79 scam projects found shown in the OP) over months. |
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marlboroza
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May 13, 2019, 12:03:15 AM |
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He знaю, в этoм ли пpичинa, нo пocлeдниe cooбщeния oт нee были в paздeлe Scam Accusations. Ceйчac эти cooбщeния yдaлeны, мoдepaтopoм или caмoй lovesmayfamilis. Could it be you accidentally doxed someone? If you are referring to ICO's, they are releasing their dox on websites they are running ICO's or information in scam accusation threads are pointing to false info released on their websites (names and pictures of people randomly taken from internet). Probably what moderator said. Great, this serve as a perfect example to those who think some few members of the forum (especially DT members) are recieving some kind of privileges over others thinking they're untouchable. I'm not saying I'm happy you got banned for some past mistakes you must have made or maybe a misunderstanding but just saying your case as a DT member getting ban just prove the forum isn't biased.
Cmon, they exposed so many scams and are actively cleaning forum from scams. I don't see what is so great in this. Perhaps signature ban in this case would do it...just a thought. |
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May 13, 2019, 12:43:39 AM |
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If it is examined base on the plagiarized post, it is just 6 replies before it has been copied by lovesmayfamilis, maybe the reason is he's trying to remind the BM about the same question before it will be flooded of spam bounty posts. The wrong he had is that he copied it instead of quoting for a reminder (expected as you're a newbie, I suppose), I know it is still wrong but look from being a member that is fond of doing bounty promoting shitcoins to a member that have done nice things to reduce the spams and scams in the forum I do guess this member deserves a second chance. Moreover, he is just year old here in forum and look how he climb up to be a Hero rank (if forgiven, I know he can do it) few merits away, this should be member worthy of emulation too.
Just get through on your appeal, just don't give up.
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tranthidung
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Farewell o_e_l_e_o
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May 13, 2019, 03:00:11 AM |
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If it is examined base on the plagiarized post, it is just 6 replies before it has been copied by lovesmayfamilis, maybe the reason is he's trying to remind the BM about the same question before it will be flooded of spam bounty posts.
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Just get through on your appeal, just don't give up.
What happened already happened, but looking back at flow of discussion of the topic, in which lovesmayfamilies made his plagiarised post, that is something unrelated to financial interests (to hit post quota or to steal ideas, documents of others in order to get personal benefits). Maybe that guy only extremely careless and did not use quote. It's very valuable lesson, but I support the ban uplift for lovesmayfamilis, with signature ban instead. |
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mikeywith
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be constructive or S.T.F.U
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May 13, 2019, 04:27:23 AM |
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That is a lot of digging, I highly believe that his profile had that deep digging because of what he does to spammers and scammers, the guy exposes a lot of spammers and scammers and it must be some sort of revenge attempt that worked well, he does hold a part of the responsibility but this can also discourage other members who actively fight scammers and spammers, because if they happen to have made a small mistake a long time ago, the results will be obviously "terrible". I hope Theymos will be a bit more flexible on the permaban subject, perhaps adding a date exclusion to this would be of a better idea IMO. |
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ChiBitCTy
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May 13, 2019, 06:09:15 AM |
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I support a temp ban in ~all cases in which only a small amount of plagiarism is involved AND it happened a long time ago. Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum. No you don’t. You relentlessly went after me when I was trying to come back to the forum as well as when others fighting for me did the same after plagiarizing a couple post during one days time. OP- it seems you’ve been a great member to this forum otherwise. I know what it’s like to be in your shoes. 99% of plagiarists here don’t deserve a second chance as they’re just here to make money, shit-post, and spread FUD (and you know that and it eats you up inside). Just remain positive here. You and I had no one to blame but ourselves. It seems the community as a whole wants to see you back, and even Hilarious gave you a vote of confidence. Theymos has mentioned how if you feel someone who’s been banned deserves a second chance, then start a thread and make the case for them. Maybe someone who knows you well could do so? I would also take Hilarious’s advice about contacting Theymos. I wish you luck, I know how much this sucks. |
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Quickseller
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May 13, 2019, 06:21:15 AM |
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I support a temp ban in ~all cases in which only a small amount of plagiarism is involved AND it happened a long time ago. Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum. No you don’t. You relentlessly went after me when I was trying to come back to the forum as well as when others fighting for me did the same after plagiarizing a couple post during one days time. Your plagiarized posts were not from a long time ago when you were banned, giving you no time to have changed your ways, nor to otherwise contribute to the forum. Further: I'm unaware of what I did wrong.
which does not give me confidence you would not do something similarly harmful to the forum given the opportunity. There was also a high profile fight against plagiarism at the time, and it was well publicized that plagiarism was not acceptable around here. |
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May 13, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
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I support a temp ban in ~all cases in which only a small amount of plagiarism is involved AND it happened a long time ago. Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum. No you don’t. You relentlessly went after me when I was trying to come back to the forum as well as when others fighting for me did the same after plagiarizing a couple post during one days time. Your plagiarized posts were not from a long time ago when you were banned, giving you no time to have changed your ways, nor to otherwise contribute to the forum. Further: I'm unaware of what I did wrong.
which does not give me confidence you would not do something similarly harmful to the forum given the opportunity. There was also a high profile fight against plagiarism at the time, and it was well publicized that plagiarism was not acceptable around here. You contradict yourself here as you continued to do so even after Yogg made the thread about me, which was almost a year later. I had also had a sizable history before doing so and after being caught doing so. It was a couple months later that I was banned. It was suggested I say “I’m unaware of what I did wrong”. I knew very little about Meta at the time, and had no idea what to say. So I asked a few people for advice. I also wasn’t sure it was about plagiarism because I thought that had been settled. I can see why you’d feel that way from that statement though. I shouldn’t have even brought this up. Sorry to derail here. |
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May 14, 2019, 05:59:17 PM |
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Or is it possible that the person lovesmayfamilis mistakenly copied the text manually instead of selecting the quote?
I write on many forums and on some of them the quote can be so highlighted.
Also, one more thing to note is that we are all ordinary people who can make mistakes. But when we see an error, we can improve and do not do more.
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Quickseller
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May 14, 2019, 06:09:07 PM |
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Or is it possible that the person lovesmayfamilis mistakenly copied the text manually instead of selecting the quote?
Not possible. He copied the entire post and didn’t add anything to what was copied. |
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May 14, 2019, 06:38:53 PM |
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Plagiarism is undoubtedly both very wrong, and a major problem within the forum, but I don't see the benefit of removing someone who only did damage (plagiarized) years ago, especially if they are now otherwise being a member who is contributing to the forum. There's a flaw in this ideology. Let me simplify the structure of my thoughts into four alternative timelines for a given plagiarist. P:= plagiarizing user S:= plagiarized post. 1) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P, over a long time, contributes much to the forum. S is discovered years later. P is let go scot-free. 2) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is an average user and much time passes. S is discovered years later. P is permanently banned. 3) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is trying to contribute to the forum: they add some contribution. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned. 4) P posts S. No one catches onto P. P is not trying to contribute to the forum. S is discovered weeks later. P is permanently banned. The difference between 1 and 3 is the time between the discovery of S and the time it was posted. One user is pardoned because of their contributions. Another is not because they did not fulfill the baseline requirements of minimum contribution. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Retort: "They should have contributed right away!" If both users 1 and 3 had the same localized post quality and contributory status, the situation would play our similarly. (after all, if you're copy-pasting, it's unlikely your post quality suddenly spikes) |
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