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May 12, 2019, 05:40:54 PM
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Quicksy doxing owlcatz as an example.
owlcatz is a conspirator to an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting doxed will hopefully lead to him being held accountable in one way or another via the legal system for his crimes. It should also serve as a warning to others who are considering participating in an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting dox'ed was entirely appropriate.

The feigned outrage is comical.   No one cares about OG's taxes, they just want to hurt ognasty.
This is very similar to part of the basis for extorting zeroaxl. There were many baseless claims against zeroaxl, but one of them was that he was not paying his taxes appropriately based on an old post in which zeroaxl asked a tax related question.   

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It's more an example of someone encouraging another user to endanger the lives of potentially innocent bystanders.

Where I am from, if you scream to the public "That guy has a lot of money! This is where he sleeps!" guess who ends up naked and robbed in a burning building? It doesn't matter if he actually has money, or if that's even where he sleeps. It's not cute and it is not a game; you can get people hurt like this.

Make sure to apply the same high standards when Og's lapdog doxes random people for spurious reasons, even outside of Investigations.

Merit is not an encouragement or anything of the sort. It's an opinion at most, and not necessarily an opinion agreeing with the post being merited. Let's calm down with the exaggerations.

Exactly why you correctly noted the merit score metric is meaningless and totally inappropriate to base a TRUST system upon it.
The vast majority of merit given out by this bunch to each other is in support of their shared agenda and protection of their gang members. Pull up ALL of their past meriting of each other and start going through it all. This comment by suchmoon is deceptive and intentionally misleading.

Lauda is down playing the danger VOD has put OGnasty AND the board at.  

1. People may have not been looking at OGnasty and been privy to the information vod has been shouting about for ages. (increased incentive)
2. People may not have known where to look for his doxx or had the incentive before

Now however,

1. More attention to OG over all of this and more incentive to be interested in him and his location
2. Increased awareness of his location
3. New attention from authorities (that may confiscate and find reason to hold for years until it is sorted out)


So increased awareness and widespread incentive, easy details of location, endangerment to OG physically, endangerment of board funds.

This is clearly increasing the probability of several negative implications of OGnasty and the entire board.

If vod does not get a red tag for this then NO PERSON DOXXING OTHERS should get a red tag. There is NO proof OG scammed or did anything wrong at all.

Vod gives red tags if you tell him he needs to present evidence before making accusations against OG and delete his 3rd "SAME" accusation ? but he does not deserve it for potentially being responsible for OG  being hurt or robbed or the BOARDS money being stolen.

What a joke of a system we have here with the biggest joke being the scammers and liars on DT getting to give out red trust to other honest members FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY LIKE lol.

This clearly demonstrates the inner gang are untouchable now. This board is screwed.

This is the problem with granting DT members "special treatment" with scamming, extorting, doxxing, etc etc. Now everyone has a right to say they can NOT have a red tag for doing the same thing or the entire system is unfair and corrupt, and they would be correct. Allowing a 2 tier system is pure corruption and sure failure of this system.

You need clear, fair rules that ALL members have to stick to or they ALL get the same punishment. Anything else will tear the board apart.

What is wrong with VOD and Hhampuz is clear. They think double standards are fine, so are corrupt if not scammers themselves. Perhaps not worth red trust under the red trust for Scammers ONLY rule but should be blacklisted from DT and given a warning for that. Removed from merit source for sure. This is worse than political meriting (which everyone does anyway).

TG - these are not valued members (maybe to each other) these are a bunch on non achieving double standards scum and some are observable liars and scammers among other things. Don't be sorry, be glad you took a stand. It is there in history now.

Your reasons for red trust are far more admirable and noble than theirs in many cases. Watch your back though now.

Suchmoon is their front man it is not as reckless as the inner gang with trust abuse but will be found supporting lauda, vod , tman, owl, any of those just the same as Huge Black Woman aka the pharmacist, fox pup. All cycling merits to each other all including each other on DT all excluding similar members. There is no decentralization here, it is collusion and gang mentality with no single point of accountability.





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May 12, 2019, 05:49:11 PM
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I'm not a merit source Smiley.

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May 12, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
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We're not splitting hairs.. That seems to be what you're doing, while you pretend like there can be a connotation to merit that is anything but positive. Sending a merit to another user is interacting with their post in a positive manner. You're trying to pretend like merit is neutral, but that's not even close to the case. Words can be used to express an opinion that is negative, positive, neutral or any other descriptor you can fit in there. Receiving merit cannot be seen as a negative and you cannot convince me that sending merit is used negatively.

I never said or implied that. All I said - it's an opinion. Makes zero difference to me if it's negative, positive, wordy, +1, don't care. Opinions expressed on this forum should not be punished with red trust.

I'm disappointed in ... you ... continuing mental gymnastics trying to blow this out of proportion.

The only claim that I've even made is: pointing at a house and saying "there's a lot of money in there" is endangering the people in that house. What have I blown out of proportion?
I haven't encouraged those that merited the DOX to be given negative reputation, in fact I disagree with that approach personally, although I do think it would be fair for Vod to receive negative reputation based on being the Doxer.

You also said this (about merit):

It's more an example of someone encouraging another user to endanger the lives of potentially innocent bystanders.

Where I am from, if you scream to the public "That guy has a lot of money! This is where he sleeps!" guess who ends up naked and robbed in a burning building? It doesn't matter if he actually has money, or if that's even where he sleeps. It's not cute and it is not a game; you can get people hurt like this.

Let's untangle merit from this is all I'm asking. It's not an encouragement, it doesn't send SWAT to Og's house, let it go.

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May 12, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
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This thread should be locked. The topic was regarding Vod and Hhampuz and surprisingly it has turned into the same circlejerk every topic becomes. Move all the whining to an existing Reputations thread.



Quicksy doxing owlcatz as an example.
owlcatz is a conspirator to an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting doxed will hopefully lead to him being held accountable in one way or another via the legal system for his crimes. It should also serve as a warning to others who are considering participating in an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting dox'ed was entirely appropriate.

The feigned outrage is comical.   No one cares about OG's taxes, they just want to hurt ognasty.
This is very similar to part of the basis for extorting zeroaxl. There were many baseless claims against zeroaxl, but one of them was that he was not paying his taxes appropriately based on an old post in which zeroaxl asked a tax related question.   

Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to accuse other people of making baseless claims?

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Opinions expressed on this forum should not be punished with red trust.

I am in complete agreement on that front. Merit sending should not warrant red trust, especially when it is used in a "legitimate" way, whether you agree with the post or otherwise. My complaint has never been about the people sending merit (although I did feel your comparison was disingenuous). My complaint is directly at the DOX, and all of my criticisms thus far have been aimed at that.

I think giving negative trust feedback to those that merited the Dox would be a mistake. I don't think that giving Vod negative trust would be abusive or out of bounds.

You originally said it was "just merit to a post you didn't like", but the "post you didn't like" isn't just an opinion you disagree with, it is an action that increases the threat-level in the everyday life of whoever lives at the address that was released. To be clear though, you're saying what I blew out of proportion was stating that there is potential risk associated with releasing the address of an individual and claiming there is millions of dollars in their possession?

SWAT .

Not the concern. The concern is a desperate 20-something that has nothing to live for and just needs a little guidance to do something evil.

When someone realizes there has been wrong done, but it was over a few hours ago so straw-man it and who cares:

let it go.

Let's untangle merit from this is all I'm asking. It's not an encouragement

Sounds like encouragement here :

Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum

 
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Quicksy doxing owlcatz as an example.
owlcatz is a conspirator to an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting doxed will hopefully lead to him being held accountable in one way or another via the legal system for his crimes. It should also serve as a warning to others who are considering participating in an extortion scam. Owlcatz getting dox'ed was entirely appropriate.

The feigned outrage is comical.   No one cares about OG's taxes, they just want to hurt ognasty.
This is very similar to part of the basis for extorting zeroaxl. There were many baseless claims against zeroaxl, but one of them was that he was not paying his taxes appropriately based on an old post in which zeroaxl asked a tax related question.   

Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to accuse other people of making baseless claims?
No. I have never made a baseless claim. Further the baseless claims I am referring to was giving credibility to the threat of harm that would be done if an extortion payment was not paid.

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Anyone still has that thread, but without OgNasty's private information? (it's not in the Trashcan so I can't see it myself).

edit: got it as requested.

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Anyone still has that thread, but without OgNasty's private information? (it's not in the Trashcan so I can't see it myself).
I am guessing theymos either deleted it or put it in a trashcan like sub only accessible to admins.

I saw it after OgNs information was deleted, but I believe all it said was OgN didn’t pay his taxes. When I saw it the thread was in investigations and I cannot find it on google nor the way back machine.

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That's not a word you should be allowed to use. You doxed owlcatz outside of Investigations. You attempted to dox me for disagreeing with you in P&S. You're are scumbag and if the roles were flipped you'd be praising OgNasty for courageously doxing Vod.

I have never made a baseless claim.

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Anyone still has that thread, but without OgNasty's private information? (it's not in the Trashcan so I can't see it myself).
I am guessing theymos either deleted it or put it in a trashcan like sub only accessible to admins.

I saw it after OgNs information was deleted, but I believe all it said was OgN didn’t pay his taxes. When I saw it the thread was in investigations and I cannot find it on google nor the way back machine.

It must have said more, no? Why else create one in the first place. I'm asking because I have a hard time passing judgement (and updating my Trust list because I'm DT1) seeing how almost everyone's acting immaturely. That's my impression at least, without seeing the full picture.

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Anyone still has that thread, but without OgNasty's private information? (it's not in the Trashcan so I can't see it myself).
I am guessing theymos either deleted it or put it in a trashcan like sub only accessible to admins.

I saw it after OgNs information was deleted, but I believe all it said was OgN didn’t pay his taxes. When I saw it the thread was in investigations and I cannot find it on google nor the way back machine.

It must have said more, no? Why else create one in the first place. I'm asking because I have a hard time passing judgement (and updating my Trust list because I'm DT1) seeing how almost everyone's acting immaturely. That's my impression at least, without seeing the full picture.

It had OgNasty's name and address. It also had a link to a youtube video published by NastyMining showing off the solar panels on his house. (I don't think OgNasty would mind the video, otherwise I'm sure NastyMining would have taken it down long ago.)
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Anyone still has that thread, but without OgNasty's private information? (it's not in the Trashcan so I can't see it myself).
I am guessing theymos either deleted it or put it in a trashcan like sub only accessible to admins.

I saw it after OgNs information was deleted, but I believe all it said was OgN didn’t pay his taxes. When I saw it the thread was in investigations and I cannot find it on google nor the way back machine.

It must have said more, no? Why else create one in the first place. I'm asking because I have a hard time passing judgement (and updating my Trust list because I'm DT1) seeing how almost everyone's acting immaturely. That's my impression at least, without seeing the full picture.
I don't think it even explained the basis for Vod believing OgN didn't pay his taxes, although the basis for his claim can be found here, and is very flimsy IMO. I presume it at one point also had OgN's personal information that may or may not be accurate.

This is hardly the 1st time Vod has used unverified information as a weapon against someone critical of him. Here is when Vod sent an email to CVS trying to get me fired, except that the person is not me.

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That's not a word you should be allowed to use. You doxed owlcatz outside of Investigations. You attempted to dox me for disagreeing with you in P&S. You're are scumbag and if the roles were flipped you'd be praising OgNasty for courageously doxing Vod.

You are a liar. I have never doxed you, I have merely repeated information you have personally posted. For example here you posted the link "https://archive.is/Yhfmm#selection-1223.0-1273.42" which is the archive of a google search result highlighting a google plus post made by "Alex Morgan" talking about a project called "cryp.today" in 2014, which is a project you ran.

This is not the only place you have posted your own personal information. Any claim that I "doxed" you is a outright lie, and any report about me posting your personal information is a dishonest attempt of yours to get me in trouble with the administration, even though posting personal information of someone is allowed everywhere when the person posted their own personal information, and it is being repeated.

The information I posted about owlcatz wwas limited to his city, state and large employer and as such does not meet the defination of a "dox"

I would please ask that you limit your dishonesty to sending merit to your husband (and adding him to your trust list), and supporting scammers in cases in which it will increase your power. Also, please fuck off.


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You are a liar. I have never doxed you, I have merely repeated information you have personally posted.

I didn't post the info, the doxer did. My post clearly states that the doxer failed to show the link between the me and the person being doxed. BTW this was before the Investigations board had been established and there was fuck all I could do about personal info being plastered all over the forum. Now however you're breaking the rules by reposting it publicly. Lets see if you're immune to the banhammer. I'd bet a benjamin that you are, sadly. So let's get back to condemning Vod y'all, nothing to see here Roll Eyes, only OgNasty's dox is bad, everyone else is fair game.

I would please ask that you limit your dishonesty to sending merit to your husband (and adding him to your trust list)

Ok I'll do that. Just let me know who that is.

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I wonder why the forum and the treasurers don't use Multi Sig wallets to secure the millions of USD being held in a custodial fashion.  If there wasn't a single point of failure the treasurer wouldn't be in so much danger from a doxxing.

Everyone is worried about OGNasty's safety and no one is talking about the best way and easiest way to make him and forum funds safe again!!!

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May 12, 2019, 08:38:40 PM
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I wonder why the forum and the treasurers don't use Multi Sig wallets to secure the millions of USD being held in a custodial fashion.  If there wasn't a single point of failure the treasurer wouldn't be in so much danger from a doxxing.

Everyone is worried about OGNasty's safety and no one is talking about the best way and easiest way to make him and forum funds safe again!!!

The forum apparently already voted that he is safer than multi-sig... Roll Eyes   

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.0
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May 12, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
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Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant.

Thank you for the green light theymos.  Now we get to see who stands up for this type of behavior and should be nowhere near DT.  Looking at you suchmoon.  Even Lauda removed the counter to the legitimate rating left by teeGUMES, who honestly deserves a standing applause for being the person to step up and do what was right, even though it immediately cost him his DT inclusion because the system is severely flawed currently.  I think it's time to clean house.  Starting with the people who merited the post, excluded teeGUMES, and left trust ratings to bury his rating of Vod.  These people are so dead set on trying to maintain power over the trust network, they're not even able to hide their bias anymore.  Makes you wonder if any of their circle could do anything to get a negative DT rating or removed from DT1.  Let's find out where the line is.

Negative trust left for Vod.  Funny how I was the one who didn't leave negative trust and gave him multiple chances to apologize for his lies, but he insisted on being outed as a liar and a pathetic wuss who lies to get others to do his dirty work.  Now I had no choice.  I tried Voddy boy.  Now everyone knows you're a liar with the fragile ego of a child.  Sad, because there are users doing the work on your BPIP site who deserved better.

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May 12, 2019, 08:50:06 PM
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Even Lauda removed the counter to the legitimate rating left by teeGUMES..
My ratings didn't counter anything as I had previous ratings on both users, they were placeholder counters which are no longer needed. I actually wanted to counter on all meriters, but somehow missed it? Well, doesn't matter now either way.

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May 12, 2019, 08:53:57 PM
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Looking at you suchmoon.

Looking at me or ever doxing me isn't gonna bend me to your will.

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May 12, 2019, 09:13:12 PM
Last edit: May 12, 2019, 09:32:06 PM by Thule
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Opinions expressed on this forum should not be punished with red trust.


LOL says suchmoon who gave tons of negative ratings because of other peoples opinions.

Suchmoon maybe OG is not going to bend you over but the lawsuite will.
I give you here officaly the last 8 days for removing your false negative tags from my account or proof to the whole forum i'm a scammer or tried to scam someone.

I have to agree with people that i also can't understand Theymos giving abusers like you and the gang so much power which has been abused and more important refuse to take their negative tag away even THEYMOS clearly stated that tagging for something like that is a clear abuse of the trust feedback.

You are under Theymos defenition a clear trust abuser.

Since theymos is not cleaning ship i will hold you responsible for your actions to discredit me, for calling to give me more negative trust and for activly trying to destroy any business i had on this forum in the intense that you even destroyed other peoples accounts claiming they are my alts.

You will be next and if Vod wants to be included i would ask him to reply to my message on his facebook profil


@Vod i see that you deleted all content from your profil and added a support of the stroke association.Profil says retired now.
Did you had a stroke ?
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