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As theymos said:
There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

Hello, i would like to ask unban for user markiz73

I know, that he was banned for plagiarism, one of the most terrible and inhuman misconduct on our forum. But i have some reasons to ask for unban for him.  



1).  He is very useful in miners thread

1. Most of his posts were in miners section, where he gives useful advices for noobs and experienced. You can see it from his trust page (in russian board 1-2 feedbacks is very awesome, even trustworthy members like TheFuzzStone often have not more than 5 feedbacks). First his topic was in mining section and he was not indifferent to future of russian mining section.

2. He created a lot of guides and useful (not superficial) analytics about mining. For example:
GPU and CPU situation
mining histories
AMD mining analytic
comparison RTX 2080 and RTX 2080TI
Advices to not be fooled

Also he notified about different new asics and hardware:
Grin asics
Antminer D3
Bitfury Tardis
......

3. He busted different scams which belonged (not only) to mining.
Scam warning 1
Scam warning 2
Scam warning 3

2).  He is helpful enough in russian local board

Russian local board was the first from all other local boards and still the most popular

I remember him as a person, who always answered to different newbie questions. Even his last post was an answer to question about transaction acceleration  Grin
He translated some useful topics from english board Wasabi Wallet and Vanitygen for new our sub board  Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin

3).  He is not a troll or bitcoin hater

In our board, which is FULL of @mommy's cryptohaters@ and various trolls (from political trolls to crypto trolls and women haters), this is, without a doubt, large pros.



Yep, this is not too much. He was not the usefullest person on our forum, and even in russian local board, but i believe he was usefullest for russian miners and that he will be useful for forum and crypto community in the future.

So, i believe that permaban for his account it's unfair not only (and not mostly) to him, but for people who needs his advices. Yes, he copypasted text to fill more posts for signature campaign, that's bad. But sig ban will solve this problem. Markiz will not have incentives to copypaste again, but still useful for russian local community.

Thanks for your attention.

 
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May 13, 2019, 05:47:18 PM
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His topic Latest Merit to increase rank
He evaluated the topics and posts of other users and awarded them with Merit and warning them about the forum rules.

I think sig ban would be quite reasonable for markiz73

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He seems to have been a valuable asset to the Russian board and overall to the forum.
johhnyUA Have you asked him if he is willing to accept a signature ban?

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May 13, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
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Users of the Russian locale know markiz73 as a decent and friendly user of the forum, behind his shoulders a huge experience in mining, which he shares with everyone for free. I, like other Russian users, was very surprised when he found a copypaste in his messages. He made a mistake and is ready to answer for it, but he wants to stay with us. I believe that forum society should fight for useful users in any way. Let it remain with us without the right to wear a signature for a while rather than go to another forum.

 
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May 13, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
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When theymos said it's "handled case-by-case" I do think he only meant deserving people to be given a second chance in the forum. From what I know ChiBitCTy was one of the recent members who got unbanned from plagiarism and using him to compare markiz73's contributions to the forum you will see that he doesn't compare to ChiBitCTy in a way theymos would reconsider him back in the forum. For one ChiBitCTy has a lot of Trusted Feedback associated with transactions in the forum compared to 1 Untrusted Feedback markiz73 has. His contributions are only limited to topics related to mining in the Russian board and some announecments on new mining equipment while ChiBitCTy on the other hand have organized charity events and even though he got banned from posting he still is active in the forum reading topics and chatting members through chat groups consisting of forum members while markiz73 on the other hand shows that he hasn't been active in the forum since the day he was banned. Using ChiBitCTy's situation as an example I don't think that markiz73 is qualified to be unbanned in the forum but it's really up to theymos to decide on his case.

You can see the ChiBitCTy's ban appeal thread here

By the way for people who are wondering his unban conditions also comes with a signature ban. Just go to his profile and you will see his sig section saying "Banned from displaying signatures until March 09, 2020, 08:24:44 PM" so if you just want to unban him for him to join signature campaigns you need to consider this one.

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just another signature spammer, he deserves the perm ban
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I don't think it's fair to compare everyone to ChiBitCTy or other unbanned users. Users can contribute to the forum in different ways. Is markiz73's ban "net negative" for the forum? Possibly. Worth a try to appeal it I think.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.


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Last edit: May 13, 2019, 08:25:09 PM by johhnyUA
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johhnyUA Have you asked him if he is willing to accept a signature ban?

No, but he will agree with such step.

Here his words:
У мeня ecть oчeнь oчeнь мaлeнький шaнc ocтaтьcя, блaгoдapя пocтy theymos
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49900027#msg49900027
нo мeня кaк минимyм лишaт пoдпиcи
Moй aккayнт нe был кoммepчecким, кaзинo нe peклaмиpoвaл из пpинципa, a в дpyгиe пpoeкты бpaли peдкo.

For one ChiBitCTy has a lot of Trusted Feedback associated with transactions in the forum compared to 1 Untrusted Feedback markiz73 has.

As i said in my op post, even 3-4 positive feedbacks in russian local board it's very much. Don't compare to english section, where people accustomed to live feedbacks for succesfull trade or any another reasons. Russian mentality is another.

His contributions are only limited to topics related to mining in the Russian board and some announecments on new mining equipment

That's not enough? Russian mining thread is refers to russian local board which in turn refers to the whole forum.
"A little step for forum, but big for russian mining community"  Cheesy
Also, all in this World is very relatively. If someone contributes many to you, that's doesn't mean that he contributes something to me, for example.

Hence, I, as a member of russian local board asks to unban Markiz. And, i would never asked to unban ChiBitCTy. Not because i don't like him or something. Just because i didn't know about his existence until suchmoon's post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141412.msg51016858#msg51016858)   Wink

while ChiBitCTy on the other hand have organized charity events and even though he got banned from posting he still is active in the forum reading topics and chatting members through chat groups consisting of forum members while markiz73 on the other hand shows that he hasn't been active in the forum since the day he was banned

I'm not a miner, maybe Markiz also active in others mining chats or groups. ChiBitCTy and yogg have a general chat, so yogg used it as an argument. You can't say "he is not active" just because you don't know for sure active he or not  Smiley

By the way for people who are wondering his unban conditions also comes with a signature ban. Just go to his profile and you will see his sig section saying "Banned from displaying signatures until March 09, 2020, 08:24:44 PM" so if you just want to unban him for him to join signature campaigns you need to consider this one.

Yep, i wrote about sig ban in my starter post.

 
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I don't think it's fair to compare everyone to ChiBitCTy or other unbanned users. Users can contribute to the forum in different ways. Is markiz73's ban "net negative" for the forum? Possibly. Worth a try to appeal it I think.

Yeah, I do get that and theymos made the point that it's a case by case basis on the way of handling ban appeals. I'm just giving the OP an example of a user who got unbanned based from the other things he have done in the forum which obviously had outweighed the plagiarism he did. I just hope theymos is in the same page on viewing markiz73's case even though he is only mainky active in the Russian board, in this case maybe some Russian members commending him might help the decision.

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in this case maybe some Russian members commending him might help the decision.

I'm an active russian local board member, as well as dicks, as well as madnessteat  Smiley

Also this guy  Grin

 
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May 14, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
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Thank you all for your support.
I held the idiotic mistake twice.
If this is so important, then I agree to any alternative punishment.
I did not go anywhere
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This situation will be a very good lesson for me in life. I don’t know how to behave in this situation, what to expect and what to do.
I don’t want anyone to be in a similar situation both in the forum and in real life.

If theymos give me a second chance, I'll try to bring more value to the forum.
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As an active participant of the Russian-language subforum, I can confirm all stated above. Markiz73 has contributed a lot to the community:

1) His posts on mining are highly valuable, and his expertise in this field is top-notch.

2) He's never insulted or trolled any forum members.

3) He's always ready to help newbies and provides detailed answers to their questions.

Markiz73 agrees with the ban on carrying the signature, which seems like a sufficient punishment: it guarantees that he won't receive any further
rewards but will continue to generate valuable content. This is far more important than a single old instance of plagiarising a harmless phrase.
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From what I know ChiBitCTy was one of the recent members who got unbanned from plagiarism and using him to compare markiz73's contributions to the forum you will see that he doesn't compare to ChiBitCTy in a way theymos would reconsider him back in the forum. For one ChiBitCTy has a lot of Trusted Feedback associated with transactions in the forum compared to 1 Untrusted Feedback markiz73 has. His contributions are only limited to topics related to mining in the Russian board and some announecments on new mining equipment while ChiBitCTy on the other hand have organized charity events and even though he got banned from posting he still is active in the forum reading topics and chatting members through chat groups consisting of forum members while markiz73 on the other hand shows that he hasn't been active in the forum since the day he was banned. Using ChiBitCTy's situation as an example I don't think that markiz73 is qualified to be unbanned in the forum but it's really up to theymos to decide on his case.
There are some unbanned users: ChiBitCTy; redsn0w; and Limx Dev (as I have known so far, maybe more). It's hard to say the markiz73 deserves ban-uplift or not, because we are not admin or global mods, so we don't have which criteria they use to uplift permanent bans. They have not officially written such criteria down.
At least, markiz73 looks like a good user, with good net effects.

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May 14, 2019, 10:22:43 AM
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in this case maybe some Russian members commending him might help the decision.

I'm an active russian local board member, as well as dicks, as well as madnessteat  Smiley

Also this guy  Grin

Also I want to ask you to unban the user markiz73. Very useful for the forum people. His ban is very bad.

 
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I don't know what else to add to what johhnyUA and madnessteat said about markiz73...

Also, I'm totally agree with this:

In our board, which is FULL of @mommy's cryptohaters@ and various trolls (from political trolls to crypto trolls and women haters)~

I've never participated in a signature campaign, and I'm very happy with this wave tornado of banned users.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an adversary to the signature campaigns. If you look at them from a certain angle, they can even benefit the entire crypto community. I know that a lot of people have gotten to know the crypto-world through signature campaigns. And for someone, it was the first time the cryptocurrency/token was earned. Or maybe someone was able to feed their family through a successful signature campaign.

Earning honestly is one thing, but cheating is completely different. It was signature campaigns that brought tons of garbage to the once very good forum.

Sometimes I find posts from new users who ask about signature campaigns. They are answered by people who made some money at a bounty in the style: "Now they pay a penny, and require more and more effort.". And thanks to who? That's right, boto-farms. These bastards and idiots (farm owners) by their stupid actions have lowered the price of signature campaigns and also omitted "working conditions".
We can talk about this for a long time and at the same time, they'll keep shitting on the forum.


I don't know about you guys, but I want to see this forum "clean". For example, when I go into the thread of some service (e.g. exchange), I want to see real feedbacks, from real users, and not digging in the trash: "Yeah, awesome service, I think this service is gonna be able to bite off a piece of the market." and etc.

When I am looking at this... you know what? I want more Smiley.
...but I'm sorry to see good people under that ban-hammer, even if they made a mistake.


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All the good things about this man have already been said above. In my humble opinion, it would be unfair to leave him in a permaban for long-standing plagiarism.

Please examine the possibility of replacing the Autoban with Signature Ban


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Try to push this case with support of your local mods Xandry and Xal0lex. They can vouch for him.

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All the good things about this man have already been said above. In my humble opinion, it would be unfair to leave him in a permaban for long-standing plagiarism.

Please examine the possibility of replacing the Autoban with Signature Ban

I support it.

In the Russian locale, markiz73 writes about mining. Helps advice for beginners.


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Try to push this case with support of your local mods Xandry and Xal0lex. They can vouch for him.

Xandry already merited (which means "support" i think) this topic.  Also, 3 DT1 members TheFuzzStone, Alex_Sr, taikuri13 which all trusted members in russian and english boards, supports unban. Does it not enough?

 
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May 15, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
Last edit: May 15, 2019, 04:02:36 PM by lobcmt2
Merited by johhnyUA (1)
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Xandry already merited (which means "support" i think) this topic.  Also, 3 DT1 members TheFuzzStone, Alex_Sr, taikuri13 which all trusted members in russian and english boards, supports unban. Does it not enough?
It is hard to say because it depends on perspective of admins/ global mods. Personally, I think it is enough for unban (I support), but there is one thing is not enough, it is time. Please give admins or global mods more time. Hilariousandco emphasizes on importance of waiting and patience there. With more than 1000 banned cases due to reported plagiarims, they need to spend lot of time to dig deeply in the past contributions of banned users and handled ban appeals.
Global mods were given the ability to ban signatures only yesterday. Do you think we can get through all the appeals in one day? Be patient.
Get ready for the grave jumpers:

LOL, by the way, as mods state long time ago, that they are busy to work for free, whilst abusers or bounty hunters simply enjoy money. Therefore, for someone who get unban, please don't plagiarise again to avoid two things:
- Final irreversible permanent ban;
- Unexpected loads of mods' works.
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