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May 14, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
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Last May 13, 2019, the Philippines held their general elections for the spot for various local government positions and for the senate. There has been an uproar regarding the list of candidates due to some being unqualified and fit for the position (a former head of the national police, television actors, an artist, person who has 16 counts of graft and corruption on his name, someone who constantly fakes her credentials, etc.).
Unfortunately, those who I just mentioned received and won their spot in the senate- the legislative branch that is responsible for making laws.

I do not want to sound politically bias (although it may sound like) but I really feel devastated about the results. I mean, there are lots of candidates whose credentials are far more fitting than most of them. Voting someone who just stole millions of Pesos from the people and still won on the elections?

Do you really think that democracy is dead and is unfitting in the Philippines? If yes, what form of government should be integrated in order to address this issue?


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May 14, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
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It was never a democracy from the start, the Americans pretty much made sure of that during the first election they administered. It gave a huge advantage to political dynasties that they've remained entrenched as they were during the Hispanic era. Ever noticed that '87 "Constitution" specified that political dynasties would not be allowed but no proposed law to regulate it ever passed?


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May 14, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
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It was never a democracy from the start, the Americans pretty much made sure of that during the first election they administered. It gave a huge advantage to political dynasties that they've remained entrenched as they were during the Hispanic era. Ever noticed that '87 "Constitution" specified that political dynasties would not be allowed but no proposed law to regulate it ever passed?


That is actually true. It is stated in the Constitution that political dynasties are prohibited yet almost all local governments positions were taken over by families who share the same surname.

I just find it really depressing that our senatorial candidates are filled with people who are endorsed by our president- let almost all are unqualified for the job. I cannot fathom on why our countrymen voted someone who stole money directly in our pockets!






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May 14, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
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Bong Go, Revilla, and Dela Rosa are the top surprises in this senate election. In fact these people are not good as senators. When Dela Rosa was interviewed, he said that if there would be some seminars on law making, he'll be down to that. HOW TF PEOPLE VOTED FOR A PERSON THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE LAWS. And that's their job on our country. Revilla? So, the senate will be a dance show now? Because of dancing Budots he won. Just because he's handsome he won. Philippines will be dead now. That guy stole money from the country and those people still believes on this guy.

But credentials does not matter know. Remember in 1986 a housewife of a known presidentiable won.  Grin.

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May 14, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
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What a shame that my fellow country men would just ignore the issue and vote who they only know of course it would be the famous actors from the past.
And I really hate it that those people are so ignorant and would just vote who they want base on the looks of the candidates,
Funny how this woman answer the question why she would vote Bong Revilla,
Youtube Link she would still vote him because he is handsome despite the fact that he is a corrupt politician,
And when they were ask about the candidates platform they couldn't answer it they would just vote him because of his looks.

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May 14, 2019, 11:29:03 PM
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Democracy is not dead in the Philippines IMO basing on the result. You may not like it but that's the voice of the people.

For candidates who have pending cases, they should be ban from running for government post and this entail amendments to the Constitution but i think this is very far from happening as those who will amend the Constitution will be affected.

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May 14, 2019, 11:37:03 PM
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Last May 13, 2019, the Philippines held their general elections for the spot for various local government positions and for the senate. There has been an uproar regarding the list of candidates due to some being unqualified and fit for the position (a former head of the national police, television actors, an artist, person who has 16 counts of graft and corruption on his name, someone who constantly fakes her credentials, etc.).
Unfortunately, those who I just mentioned received and won their spot in the senate- the legislative branch that is responsible for making laws.

I do not want to sound politically bias (although it may sound like) but I really feel devastated about the results. I mean, there are lots of candidates whose credentials are far more fitting than most of them. Voting someone who just stole millions of Pesos from the people and still won on the elections?

Do you really think that democracy is dead and is unfitting in the Philippines? If yes, what form of government should be integrated in order to address this issue?


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it doesnt matter who you vote for just a different name and a diffrent face,

look how democracy is dying in uk

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May 14, 2019, 11:58:46 PM
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Bong Go, Revilla, and Dela Rosa are the top surprises in this senate election. In fact these people are not good as senators. When Dela Rosa was interviewed, he said that if there would be some seminars on law making, he'll be down to that. HOW TF PEOPLE VOTED FOR A PERSON THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE LAWS. And that's their job on our country. Revilla? So, the senate will be a dance show now? Because of dancing Budots he won. Just because he's handsome he won. Philippines will be dead now. That guy stole money from the country and those people still believes on this guy.

But credentials does not matter know. Remember in 1986 a housewife of a known presidentiable won.  Grin.
Well this just proves that the big criminals wear suits and ties ,Not tattoos and stripes.
And the law only applies to the poor .
Such a shame that they would put the hands of the Philiplines to those people.

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May 15, 2019, 12:48:23 AM
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I do not want to sound politically bias (although it may sound like) but I really feel devastated about the results. I mean, there are lots of candidates whose credentials are far more fitting than most of them. Voting someone who just stole millions of Pesos from the people and still won on the elections?
People will often not vote for the person based on their personal character, they will vote based on the candidates agenda.

Unless there is some evidence of election fraud, or that the elections were otherwise unfair, I would not say that democracy is dead. You need something beyond not liking/agreeing with the outcome.

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Democracy is not dead in the Philippines IMO basing on the result. You may not like it but that's the voice of the people.

For candidates who have pending cases, they should be ban from running for government post and this entail amendments to the Constitution but i think this is very far from happening as those who will amend the Constitution will be affected.

The voice of the people? That is where the problem rises due to the majority of voters do not have a voice of their own. Not to be rude but the majority who voted for these candidates are also the people who are unaware of the current state of the country. I just cannot accept that these candidates won despite having criminal and civil cases filed before them. If this is the voice of the people wherein they vote for alleged criminals, artists, a person who does not even know what the job of a senator is, and a thief, then our country is doomed.

I do agree that the Constitution must be amended in order to address this problem of candidates running with pending cases. But again, the people who are responsible for the amendment of the Constitution are the legislative branch, so this may be far from happening.

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May 15, 2019, 04:33:48 AM
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You are right Democracy is dead, back in Ancient Greece, that is the only time there has been a democracy and the only reason they stopped was because population got to high and they had no way to take everyone votes each day, no computers at the time so that was not a option, then another nation kind of demolished them.
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Not to be rude but the majority who voted for these candidates are also the people who are unaware of the current state of the country.
It maybe the other way around, people are more engaged in social media thus making them aware of the candidates they are voting for. The opposition candidates just fell short of convincing people to vote for them, they go against the platform of a high trust rating government and they seem out of tune to the voice of the people (surveys). How can we expect them to win.

our country is doomed.
Our country is already doomed and thanks to the current administration for saving it, i may sound biased but that is how i saw it.

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May 15, 2019, 09:41:10 AM
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Democracy is not dead in the Philippines IMO basing on the result. You may not like it but that's the voice of the people.

For candidates who have pending cases, they should be ban from running for government post and this entail amendments to the Constitution but i think this is very far from happening as those who will amend the Constitution will be affected.

The voice of the people? That is where the problem rises due to the majority of voters do not have a voice of their own. Not to be rude but the majority who voted for these candidates are also the people who are unaware of the current state of the country. I just cannot accept that these candidates won despite having criminal and civil cases filed before them. If this is the voice of the people wherein they vote for alleged criminals, artists, a person who does not even know what the job of a senator is, and a thief, then our country is doomed.

I do agree that the Constitution must be amended in order to address this problem of candidates running with pending cases. But again, the people who are responsible for the amendment of the Constitution are the legislative branch, so this may be far from happening.
Yeah most of the voters are so ignorant sorry for the word but that is how I see it,
This is the worst people are making this like a school room election they wouldn't care about who wins or not,
They wouldn't care until they feel the consequence of their action when the country face some calamity .

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May 15, 2019, 11:18:43 AM
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Last May 13, 2019, the Philippines held their general elections for the spot for various local government positions and for the senate. There has been an uproar regarding the list of candidates due to some being unqualified and fit for the position (a former head of the national police, television actors, an artist, person who has 16 counts of graft and corruption on his name, someone who constantly fakes her credentials, etc.).
Unfortunately, those who I just mentioned received and won their spot in the senate- the legislative branch that is responsible for making laws.

I do not want to sound politically bias (although it may sound like) but I really feel devastated about the results. I mean, there are lots of candidates whose credentials are far more fitting than most of them. Voting someone who just stole millions of Pesos from the people and still won on the elections?

Do you really think that democracy is dead and is unfitting in the Philippines? If yes, what form of government should be integrated in order to address this issue?


photo from philstar.com

That someone is Ramon Revilla but he was proven innocent although he had to return the millions of dollars that he allegedly stole, I never voted for this guy even campaign for people not to vote for him, but so many people in the Philippines goes for popularity than credibility and this really harm us.

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May 15, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
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As far as I know, the current President is pursuing another form of government right?

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/03/22/1903720/duterte-federalism-must-be-within-constitution

And so with the recent results of the Philippine Senatorial elections, it looks like Duterte can make a final push for Federalism in the Philippines. I wouldn't say that Democracy is dead in Philippines, but there are a lot of loopholes and it's been exploited since the widow of Benigno Aquino became the President after the fall of the Marcoses. But I was quite to see, Marcos, Imee, in the top 12. It means the popularity is the one of the main ingredients for Filipinos when voting.  Grin

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It means the popularity is the one of the main ingredients for Filipinos when voting.  Grin

That is why I argue that democracy cannot be integrated if that is the mindset of the majority of the voters in our country. If they are clueless about the history of every candidate as they base their votes solely on popularity and hearsay, I think that a democratic form of government would not fit. We can implement strategies in order to enlighten each voter but I still believe that this problem will exist.

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How do you guys feel in general about Duterte? Remember this is the internet and you can probably be more comfortable saying whatever you want here than in public.

I've lived here on and off since 2016 and I'd say about 80% of the people I talk with about politics like Duterte. The only people who didn't really like him were businessmen from Manila.

He seems to be a real "salt of the earth" kind of fellow, generally on the side of regular people, whereas most presidents that preceded him were only interested in what went on in Manila.

Don't know how you can think "democracy is dead" in the Philippines, because he was a real outsider who managed to get elected by managing to connect with the people.

Anybody with "Marcos" as their last name should be barred from office IMO, but that sentiment is also not in line with actual democracy.

Wonder if Rody will run again next presidential election. He said he's not going to, but who knows.

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May 15, 2019, 04:48:13 PM
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That is actually true. It is stated in the Constitution that political dynasties are prohibited yet almost all local governments positions were taken over by families who share the same surname.

I just find it really depressing that our senatorial candidates are filled with people who are endorsed by our president- let almost all are unqualified for the job. I cannot fathom on why our countrymen voted someone who stole money directly in our pockets!

Yet a lowly government clerk need a bachelor's degree and need to pass a civil service exam. Of course these families, which are no better than mafias, are the ones who write laws so they'd never put in anything that would harm their interests.

They're all the same, even this more "popular" government. Remember they are pushing for the removal of term limits and who knows what other stuff they'll try to insert in the new constitution. And yet the fools just dance to the music...

Bong Go, Revilla, and Dela Rosa are the top surprises in this senate election. In fact these people are not good as senators. When Dela Rosa was interviewed, he said that if there would be some seminars on law making, he'll be down to that. HOW TF PEOPLE VOTED FOR A PERSON THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE LAWS. And that's their job on our country. Revilla? So, the senate will be a dance show now? Because of dancing Budots he won. Just because he's handsome he won. Philippines will be dead now. That guy stole money from the country and those people still believes on this guy.

But credentials does not matter know. Remember in 1986 a housewife of a known presidentiable won.  Grin.

Basically people here don't have standards. There's no changing these country while people are like this AND the old blood is alive. We need something else. #RevolutionNotElection

Wonder if Rody will run again next presidential election. He said he's not going to, but who knows.

He'd be lucky to be alive to serve one more term so no, I don't think he'll bother running again. The guy is basically on opioids just to manage pain. He would definitely try to get a child in there. After all he said he don't believe there should be any restrictions on political dynasties.

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May 15, 2019, 05:33:26 PM
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As far as I know, the current President is pursuing another form of government right?

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/03/22/1903720/duterte-federalism-must-be-within-constitution
Actually this kind of government is what Duterte was pursuing even before he was proclaimed as President. It has good sides. It makes those high rank politicians not steal money from the people. The taxes will be given to those politicians that are sitting on the locale government.

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It is so disgusting to see this kind of situation but it is the people/voters that are to be blamed. They are complaining all the time about a poor and corrupt government but yet when given the chance to choose during election they are choosing those that are proven to be thieves and incompetent candidates once again to take place. People are not learning but repeating willful mistakes over and over again.

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