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August 24, 2019, 05:18:05 PM
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Since may dalawang existing issue na kumakalat ngayon sa ating bitcoin community which is;
Hindi na ako nagdalawang isip na gawing topic ito since wala pa naman nakakagawa ng discussion regarding bitcoin payment gateways.

First of all, any idea about the word gateways?
Kasi kung iisipin mo at gagawin mong literal yung word na gateway, it means doon ang daanan, doon ang pasukan, yan ang literal na definition natin pagdating sa salita na yan. Pero ano nga ba ang definition ng gateway pagdating sa technology?

GATEWAY sa ibang technology

So una, I'll give a little bit of information kung ano nga ba ang gateway sa ibang technology, Ang purpose ng gateway ay diyan napupunta lahat ng data na nagagather sa mga nodes niya from different parts of a city. Lahat ng nodes na may modules upang makaconnect sa gateway ay may kakayahang magsend ng any data na nakukuha nila sa environment.

If you're familiar with LoRaWAN or Long Range Wireless Area Network, imposibleng mawalan ng gateway sa mga ganyang network kasi pang malawakan so it means na through this system, doon mo papadaanin yung data mo para mapunta sa respective database.


Another example pa ng Gateway ay ang CLIQQ App ng 7-11 store. It allows user to pay through their platform para makabili tayo ng items sa lazada and especiall sa atin na para makapaglagay ng pera sa coins.ph.




GATEWAY sa Bitcoin

It's similar rin naman sa gateway ng iba since ang mga gateway sa bitcoin ay nag-aact as payment platform para don mo nalang ipapadala ang mga pera mo regarding about business. Kumbaga para ma-enable yung mga iba't ibang merchants sa pagaaccept ng bitcoin.

Halimbawa nalang dito ay ang steam dati, who accepts Bitcoin so paano mo masesend directly to steam para makabili ka ng mga laro?
Through bitpay which is one of the Bitcoin Payment Gateways, makakapagbayad ka ng games through this method. So basically, ganito ang block diagram ng isang transaction sa Bitcoin Payment Channel. I made this para mas klaro at mas maintidihan niyo kung ano nga ba ang purpose ng bitcoin payment channel.


Note: Ito ay dati pa, hindi na po natanggap ng btc ang steam.

Purpose ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways

So ang pinaka purpose ng Bitcoin payment channel based don sa mga sinabi ko kanina is ina-allow niya ang mga merchant upang makatanggap ng bitcoin. Since uso na ang mga online store at through that makakabili ka ng mga gamit or digital items kaya naisip nila gumawa ng mga gateways.

  • Mas maraming gagamit ng platform mo kasi nag-accept ka ng Bitcoin
  • Mas dadami ang users lalo na sa mga gumagamit talaga ng cryptocurrency.
  • Hindi mo na kailangang gumamit ng credit cards.
  • Mas secure yung payment mo kasi nga blockchain at transparent pa.
  • Mas mababa ang transaction fee compare sa mga nagamit ng credit cards.
  • Mas makikilala ang community at ang bitcoin mismo.


Bakit kailangan ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways

Ang bitcoin payment gateways ay kailangan talaga siya pagdating sa business lalo na't for everyday use. Kung ikaw ay may negosyo na big time at yung target customers mo ay mga gumagamit ng cryptocurrency syempre as a intellectual owner of a company, ia-allow mo ang paggamit ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways upang magkakaroon ng way ang customers to stick in your platform.

No complex explanations, ganon lang kasimple.

Gamitin natin ulit ang steam, since nag-boom ang cryptocurrency dati, pwede tayong gumamit ng gateways upang makapagbayad tayo sa kanila at makabili ng laro. Kaya sila tumanggap ng bitcoin as a payment kasi may nakita silang opportunity don, if you know business hindi mo na kailangang magtaka kung bakit may mga platform na natanggap ng bitcoin kahit hindi naman stable ang market minsan.


Iba't ibang kilalang Bitcoin Payment Gateways



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August 25, 2019, 02:05:54 AM
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I'm a little bit curious about sa mga gumagamit ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways lalo na yung Bitpay, halimbawa USD or any national currency ang hinihingi ni marchant from it's consumers.

Halimbawa si Steam gamit ang Bitpay, halimbawa ang hinihingi ni Steam ay USD, since gumagamit sila ng Bitpay, tapos Bitcoin ang ibabayad mo sa Steam at dadaan ng Bitpay, ang matatanggap ba ni Steam ay Bitcoin mismo or converted na ito sa USD or any fiat currency?

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August 25, 2019, 02:57:06 AM
Last edit: August 25, 2019, 03:26:10 AM by Darker45
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This post might not necessarily be about gateways in general but I need to somehow vent it all out here.

I just want to say BitPay sucks big time! They are piling up shitty decisions, one after another! Their decision to block a thousand USD donation to save the Amazon forest, where the world's 40% of oxygen is coming from, and where thousands millions and thousands millions of the world's flora and fauna are at risk, is way beyond reason. I suspect that the reason is not really the payment limit. It is for sure some dirty and selfish politics within crypto!    

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August 25, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
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This post might not necessarily be about gateways in general but I need to somehow vent it all out here.

I just want to say BitPay sucks big time! They are piling up shitty decisions, one after another! Their decision to block a thousand USD donation to save the Amazon forest, where the world's 40% of oxygen is coming from, and where thousands millions and thousands millions of the world's flora and fauna are at risk, is way beyond reason. I suspect that the reason is not really the payment limit. It is for sure some dirty and selfish politics within crypto!    

Yes, actually Brazil's President is the mastermind of this heartbreaking situation. I mean siya yung dahilan kaya nagkaroon ng sunog at siguro dahil sa business na rin.

If you remember na nanalo yung mga taga-amazon sa lawsuit tungkol sa big oil, maybe payback nga ito ng president ng brazil then included na rin siguro dito ang bitpay na nag-block ng 100k$ donation para sa amazon. Imposible rin naman kasi na sa payment limit yung issue since gateway sila, I mean they should have the feature na makapag-transact ng malakihang pera kasi nga yun yung purpose nila.

Ang bitcoin payment gateways ay dedicated sa mga malaking transaction ng mga company so imposible nga yon.

Halimbawa si Steam gamit ang Bitpay, halimbawa ang hinihingi ni Steam ay USD, since gumagamit sila ng Bitpay, tapos Bitcoin ang ibabayad mo sa Steam at dadaan ng Bitpay, ang matatanggap ba ni Steam ay Bitcoin mismo or converted na ito sa USD or any fiat currency?

Based sa pagkakaintindi ko, bitcoin talaga yung narereceive nila, choice nalang din ng merchants if gusto nilang matanggap ng USD. Pero since ang purpose nga ng gateways is to allow merchants accept bitcoin, it means bitcoin nga ang narereceive nila.

and based na rin sa issue ng steam kaya tinanggal nila ang pag-accept ng bitcoin;
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The moment-by-moment shifts in value were a problem, Valve said, because of the narrow window customers had to complete a purchase using bitcoins.

If a Bitcoin-based transaction was prolonged, the value of the coins being transferred could change "significantly", it said.
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Yes, actually Brazil's President is the mastermind of this heartbreaking situation. I mean siya yung dahilan kaya nagkaroon ng sunog at siguro dahil sa business na rin.

If you remember na nanalo yung mga taga-amazon sa lawsuit tungkol sa big oil, maybe payback nga ito ng president ng brazil then included na rin siguro dito ang bitpay na nag-block ng 100k$ donation para sa amazon. Imposible rin naman kasi na sa payment limit yung issue since gateway sila, I mean they should have the feature na makapag-transact ng malakihang pera kasi nga yun yung purpose nila.
Is this really proven that the President is behind this scenario and why he said it's caused by some NGOs? If it that so, that's so inhumane for them to do that on those that make this a home especially sa mga tribu na nakatira dyan. I've seen that lawsuit win by the tribe on Facebook shared by Disclose.Tv and after that this happens, hope someone will really have to pay for this if this really set by someone to fire.

Then we should boycott Bitpay as a trusted gateway, $100k I guess is not that big for them to handle at bakit naman talaga mahaharangan kung walang gustong humarang.
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I'm a little bit curious about sa mga gumagamit ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways lalo na yung Bitpay, halimbawa USD or any national currency ang hinihingi ni marchant from it's consumers.

Halimbawa si Steam gamit ang Bitpay, halimbawa ang hinihingi ni Steam ay USD, since gumagamit sila ng Bitpay, tapos Bitcoin ang ibabayad mo sa Steam at dadaan ng Bitpay, ang matatanggap ba ni Steam ay Bitcoin mismo or converted na ito sa USD or any fiat currency?

I did try to check how Bitpay works before nung gumagawa ako ng web app before because I am planning to incorporate bitcoin as one of the payment options aside from paypal.

The answer is both yes a business owner na nag partner kay Bitpay can accept both crypto payments or they can directly accept it through their bank accounts. So basically it is completely up to the owner. Pero so far sa natatandaan ko iilang FIAT pa lamang ang inaacept nila. AUD,EURO,USD,NZD,CAD at d ko na matandaan yung iba.


Sa case ng Steam naman , Valve is completely getting USD from their costumer's payment from bitpay in buying products sa kanilang steam . The reason kung bakit nila tininigil ang bitcoin payment option sa kanilang tanggapan is dahil sa volatility ng bitcoin and ang reasoning ng Valve management ay dahil nga ayaw nilang mag suffer ang kanilang customers dahil sa pag bulusok ng fees ng bitcoin.  At maraming bitcoin users ang nag rereklamo sa kanila dahil nga daw during their purchase nag fluctuate bigla ang price at kinancel ng bitpay ang payment nila dahil kailangan nila ulit i set ang price according to USD and because of that kailangan na nman nila mag make ng new transaction which also means na another fees nanaman for their customer.
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I'm a little bit curious about sa mga gumagamit ng Bitcoin Payment Gateways lalo na yung Bitpay, halimbawa USD or any national currency ang hinihingi ni marchant from it's consumers.

Halimbawa si Steam gamit ang Bitpay, halimbawa ang hinihingi ni Steam ay USD, since gumagamit sila ng Bitpay, tapos Bitcoin ang ibabayad mo sa Steam at dadaan ng Bitpay, ang matatanggap ba ni Steam ay Bitcoin mismo or converted na ito sa USD or any fiat currency?
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Sa case ng Steam naman , Valve is completely getting USD from their costumer's payment from bitpay in buying products sa kanilang steam . The reason kung bakit nila tininigil ang bitcoin payment option sa kanilang tanggapan is dahil sa volatility ng bitcoin and ang reasoning ng Valve management ay dahil nga ayaw nilang mag suffer ang kanilang customers dahil sa pag bulusok ng fees ng bitcoin.  At maraming bitcoin users ang nag rereklamo sa kanila dahil nga daw during their purchase nag fluctuate bigla ang price at kinancel ng bitpay ang payment nila dahil kailangan nila ulit i set ang price according to USD and because of that kailangan na nman nila mag make ng new transaction which also means na another fees nanaman for their customer.

Actually naranasan ko na rin 'tong case na ito when it comes to transaction.
If familiar kayo sa rebit, dati kasi yan pa ang gamit ko dahil hindi pa ako verified user ng coins.ph sa kadahilanang wala pa akong valid ID since student palang naman ako. So when it comes to payout, doon nagkakatalo, nalulugi ako minsan sa fees dahil hindi naman stable lagi ang market, kada-minuto or segundo nagbabago ang price ng bitcoin. So kapag nag-payout ako, I'll send the bitcoin to a specific address na binigay ni rebit, then after ma-receive ng rebit yung pinadala ko, kinukulang kasi nga nagbabago yung value ng Bitcoin sa market which leads to another transaction at fee.

Regarding that issue, I've already thought a solution to that. What if mag-accept ng BTC ang merchant then automatically macoconvert ito sa USD then doon palang bumili ng game? Or i-recommend ng system na sobrahan na yung isesend na BTC and macoconvert into usd, sa steam wallet. Para atleast hindi masasayang at hindi ka na uulit pa for another transaction. Also, they must require the customer to pay higher fees para mas mapadali ang transaction at hindi na maabutan ng changes sa market.

Marami naman talagang solutions regarding that kaso ayaw nalang din pahirapan ng steam yung customers so they stick to the basic method ng pagbili ng games or ng SWC. Sa case naman nating mga pinoy, try to send the BTC on our coins.ph then buy SWC sa mismong platform nila, wala pang patong.
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madami talagang iba't ibang klase ng gateways sa technology. Ang alam ko lang na gateway ay yung sa cliqq kasi isa ako sa mga naging technical assistant niyan kaya alam ko kung bakit naging gateway at paano nangyayari yung transaction diyan.

ang gateway naman kasi talaga ay para sa mga transaction na magkaiba ang currency kaya naimbento ang bitcoin payment gateways. kung iisipin mo na wala ang gateways, mahihirapan tayo sa mga transaction katulad nga nong sa steam na kailangan mo pang iconvert yung btc para lang makabili ka ng laro kaya sobrang efficient gamitin ng mga ganitong bagay.
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August 31, 2019, 04:07:52 PM
Last edit: August 31, 2019, 04:50:41 PM by finaleshot2016
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Through your definition of payment gateway, I can say na ang coins.ph ay considerable as one of bitcoin payment gateways kasi nga through them, we can easily pay bills or makabili ng load.

Ang daming features ng coins.ph na pwede nating magamit if verified users tayo especially sa pag transfer ng money to bank. Kaya at some point we can say na ang coins.ph is a gateway because it helps us to pay bitcoin to some merchants.  Wink
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Through your definition of payment gateway, I can say na ang coins.ph ay considerable as one of bitcoin payment gateways kasi nga through them, we can easily pay bills or makabili ng load.

Ang daming features ng coins.ph na pwede nating magamit if verified users tayo especially sa pag transfer ng money to bank. Kaya at some point we can say na ang coins.ph is a gateway because it helps us to pay bitcoin to some merchants.  Wink
Kung pagkukumparahin natin ang coins.ph sa ibang wallet ay super dami talaga ng features nito. May mga features nga si coins.ph na wala ang ibang mga wallet for now parang andoon na lahat sa coins.ph basta verified lang talaga ang wallet mo diyan ay makakapagcashout ka at cash in ka at doon mo magagamit ang napakagandang mga service nila na pwede mong pagpiliin at naniniwala ako na marami pang mga features na dadating dahil mas pinapaganda pa nila lalo ang kanilang mga wallet.
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