REEE: What's wrong with Vod, and Hhampuz

[TECSHARE]

Since the original poster has decided to lock the thread, in my opinion prematurely, in a useless attempt to try to make this drama go away rather than let it unfold and be discussed so that it can be addressed I have decided to open the discussion up again here. It is funny how we all need to move on and forgive and "be the better man" when it is one of the "special" people who caused issues, but when it is anyone else it is perpetually open season.

Now, the question is clearer. If I did not start the topic, we would have not seen the following post of theymos, that help us have better overview on admin's stance on Trust system, roles of DT members, and the way Trust / feedbacks works. It's only better for the forum, I believe. At the start, I believe that something inappropriately used with such feedbacks, that's all.

I actually believed that things solved on that day, but I was wrong when things become worst (it should be better), and we have not had a happy time. I am deeply sorry by starting the thread. So, I locked the topic.

By now, the purpose of the topic likely reached. Two cases of Vod and Hhampuz solved, and theymos once again stepped in and stated his opinion.
What do you think if I lock the topic? (Personally, I believe it is time to lock it). I will listen to your opinion till the end of today, and might lock the topic tomorrow, even next hours if most of you support to lock it.

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[Thule]

copy paste from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142064.msg51059355#msg51059355

You act like law enforcement when they really need to convict somebody, but don't have much to go on besides emotional manipulation.

Couldn't have described it better.
I personly would only add who the fuck is Lauda?Somebody hiding behind full annonymity where people don't even know if its a men or woman and where his/her group protects his/her full annonymity massivly attacking anybody who even asks for the gender.
Also a person who has a lot of accusations and definetly someone who abused the trust feedback massivly also to silent competition.
About the plan to enforce his/her views for financial benefit on all projects on bitcointalk who starts a bounty i won't even mention.(Of course in the name of protecting bitcointalk)

Until you witness how slimy these users are for yourself, it's difficult to believe all the horrible things myself and others have said about them.  They really are as bad as I've been saying for years now.  The time has come to, "put the smack down on these candy asses."

Thats the main issue people give a fuck about the abuse till its them being attacked.Once the group and Lauda create a lot of drama there always comes a rest period so everything cools down.
Thats exectly what they are trying to achieve now by closing the discussion asap.

If he doxxed and did it with a newbie account as a shield it would have been far more malicious act.

Vod destroyed so many newbie accounts with false negative and nobody gave a shit.
Suchmoon clearly stated that she doesn't care of evidences when a newbie account gets destroyed but only if its a high ranked member.


Lauda has as always double standards for people who are in his favour to strengthen his position on bitcointalk.
He asked to ban me when i posted only somebodies postal code even it was taken from another bitcointalk post.
Here he defends a real doxxing like its not so harmfull since the data can be found in the internet.

You see the double standard ?I should get banned for posting a postal code which was on another thread on bitcontalk and at the same time its nothing harmfull to post full doxx of somebody because you can research it in the internet.

[TMAN]

Both of you really, who pissed up your back and told you its rain?

fucking pair of you need to go have a little group wank and get lives.

[Lauda]

I personly would only add who the fuck is Lauda?Somebody hiding behind full annonymity where people don't even know if its a men or woman and where his/her group protects his/her full annonymity massivly attacking anybody who even asks for the gender.
Also a person who has a lot of accusations and definetly someone who abused the trust feedback massivly also to silent competition.
About the plan to enforce his/her views for financial benefit on all projects on bitcointalk who starts a bounty i won't even mention.(Of course in the name of protecting bitcointalk)

Why are you so salty? You'll get sick from all that negativity.

Did anyone ring up and order a cunt?

[Quickseller]

Vod has gotten a pass a large number of times and by the looks of it he is going to end up getting another pass and once again will not be held accountable.

[teeGUMES]

Anyone else notice the new way these DT1 members are shutting down conversation that doesn't benefit their gang? Simply call the other person a liar or a hypocrite.
The average user just reads this and automatically believes it to be true because the people they look up to are the ones saying it.
But they want forgiveness for their friends.

[Quickseller]

Anyone else notice the new way these DT1 members are shutting down conversation that doesn't benefit their gang? Simply call the other person a liar or a hypocrite.
The average user just reads this and automatically believes it to be true because the people they look up to are the ones saying it.
But they want forgiveness for their friends.

There is a term for this.

Gaslighting

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Vod has gotten a pass a large number of times and by the looks of it he is going to end up getting another pass and once again will not be held accountable.

Just to clarify, because I haven't read all the posts and threads in this drama:  what would Vod be getting a pass on?  Did he dox OgNasty?  Did he report him to the IRS?  I may have missed where these things actually happened, or the posts might have been deleted before I read them.  I read a bunch of threats on Vod's part, but I'm not sure what he actually did.  And are the huge merit grants part of this issue or what? 

I'm not trying to shut down discussion on this.  On the contrary, I think it should be discussed until there's a resolution.  I'm not playing ignorant, either.  I have a tendency to skim threads, but in the ones involving Vod and OgNasty I did read them but don't know what Vod's offense was.  I know he thinks OgNasty is cheating the IRS and was going to report him, but while that's controversial within this community it's not exactly wrong (if it's true).

[TheNewAnon135246]

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Read the topic title. Now ask yourself why you are bringing Lauda into the conversation. Stay on topic.

[Theb]

Just to clarify, because I haven't read all the posts and threads in this drama:  what would Vod be getting a pass on?  Did he dox OgNasty?  Did he report him to the IRS?  I may have missed where these things actually happened, or the posts might have been deleted before I read them.  I read a bunch of threats on Vod's part, but I'm not sure what he actually did.  And are the huge merit grants part of this issue or what?  

I'm not trying to shut down discussion on this.  On the contrary, I think it should be discussed until there's a resolution.  I'm not playing ignorant, either.  I have a tendency to skim threads, but in the ones involving Vod and OgNasty I did read them but don't know what Vod's offense was.  I know he thinks OgNasty is cheating the IRS and was going to report him, but while that's controversial within this community it's not exactly wrong (if it's true).

I too haven't catch up with what happened and the original thread might have been deleted but theymos' post gave a brief background on what happened.

Post by theymos

I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.

So from my understanding Vod may have shown public information about OgNasty with regards to the allegation he is involved it and got red tagged from it as well as the ones who have sent merit/s from the post, all tags were sent by teeGUMES. So with the long discussion involve and even though theymos supported and gave a green light to the red tag for Vod, teeGUMES had spoke to Vod privately and fix some things that lead to the removal of the red tags for both Vod and the merit senders.


Post by teeGUMES

After having a grown up conversation with Vod, we both understand eachother's side and have had the edited dox post in Investigations deleted. I have removed my red ratings from the merit posters. If a different tool were available to achieve this same effect I would have used it, it was never my intention to tarnish the great work that the four individuals do every day on this forum. If no tool ever appears I will act no differently in the future, your exclusions may remain and you will not be excluded in retaliation.

Summary

• The Dox has been removed
• Vod has been contacted by teeGUMES
• The conversation may have ended in good terms that result into the removal of the red tags

[TECSHARE]

Vod has gotten a pass a large number of times and by the looks of it he is going to end up getting another pass and once again will not be held accountable.

Just to clarify, because I haven't read all the posts and threads in this drama:  what would Vod be getting a pass on?  Did he dox OgNasty?  Did he report him to the IRS?  I may have missed where these things actually happened, or the posts might have been deleted before I read them.  I read a bunch of threats on Vod's part, but I'm not sure what he actually did.  And are the huge merit grants part of this issue or what?  

I'm not trying to shut down discussion on this.  On the contrary, I think it should be discussed until there's a resolution.  I'm not playing ignorant, either.  I have a tendency to skim threads, but in the ones involving Vod and OgNasty I did read them but don't know what Vod's offense was.  I know he thinks OgNasty is cheating the IRS and was going to report him, but while that's controversial within this community it's not exactly wrong (if it's true).

First of all this is not the first time Vod has entered into this pattern of harassment, and he has gotten the "he learned from his mistakes, let live and learn" treatment more times than I can remember. A lot of this was before you were even around. What he actually did was malicious behavior. First of all even if OG did owe taxes, it is none of his fucking business, or the forums for that matter. Second of all this community is big on privacy, and regardless if the information was previously available it was not widely known, now it is. So you boohoo about the technicalities to make excuses all day if you want, but what this all boils down to is there is ZERO excusable reason for Vod to have made the post to begin with. The obvious intent of malicious harassment sets precedent that pretty much this entire community can agree on, that DOXing people except with evidence of criminal activity is not acceptable. Vod is not an IRS agent, even if his claims were true he included no evidence to support the claim. In summary this is cut and dry YET ANOTHER case of harassment of the user base here in a long line of this kind of behavior from Vod.

Anyone else notice the new way these DT1 members are shutting down conversation that doesn't benefit their gang? Simply call the other person a liar or a hypocrite.
The average user just reads this and automatically believes it to be true because the people they look up to are the ones saying it.
But they want forgiveness for their friends.

There is a term for this.

Gaslighting

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

As far as I know I was also on Hampuz's trust list until today, really not even sure what the issue is because he blocked me from messaging him like a coward regardless of the fact that we have had open pleasant communication up until about 2 days ago. Now I am excluded by him and my only conclusion is he had his chain yanked and he is falling in like like a good little subservient toad. Shame, I had hopes for him. Too bad he feels the need to board a burning ship.

[btcsmlcmnr]

Vod has gotten a pass a large number of times and by the looks of it he is going to end up getting another pass and once again will not be held accountable.

Just to clarify, because I haven't read all the posts and threads in this drama:  what would Vod be getting a pass on?  Did he dox OgNasty?  Did he report him to the IRS?  I may have missed where these things actually happened, or the posts might have been deleted before I read them.  I read a bunch of threats on Vod's part, but I'm not sure what he actually did.  And are the huge merit grants part of this issue or what?  

I'm not trying to shut down discussion on this.  On the contrary, I think it should be discussed until there's a resolution.  I'm not playing ignorant, either.  I have a tendency to skim threads, but in the ones involving Vod and OgNasty I did read them but don't know what Vod's offense was.  I know he thinks OgNasty is cheating the IRS and was going to report him, but while that's controversial within this community it's not exactly wrong (if it's true).

What's next if someone (Vod or Ognasty) accepted his faults. Maybe they are both have faults on their sides.
Maybe, I locked the topic can help joiners of the discussion being cooled down a little bit, because they have some inconvenience to quote previous posts. Both Vod and Ognasty are prominent users of the forum, so I understood that they felt hard to accept their faults. No one is a perfect person, and we all can make mistakes, so what's the point to fight each other, to find faults of others, and to deny our own faults?

I don't want to dig to the past and figure out who are right, who are wrong; and honestly I don't want to involve with this. If I can say something, I would say that:
- Everyone who joined the fight are all wrong, including me who started the topic at somewhat extent.
- There is no reasonable thing to say that: I did something wrong, but I am not wrong because you did wrong things first. Whoever did wrong thing first does not make sense that the another one involved is innocent, and is right.
- We mostly see wrong things of others and do not see their rest good things. For example: if one person did 100 different things, 5 of them are wrong; we mostly rememeber that 5 bad things, and forget all 95 good things he or she does.
- To end this, each one has to honestly admit his or her faults, then when time passed, things cool down, forgiveness might appear some day.
- If things keep going like this, even 10 or 20 years later or till the day we die, this combat won't be ended, an endless-combat.

I had same thoughts like yours days ago, when things likely solved, but in fact discussions have kept going, endlessly.

Summary

• The Dox has been removed
• Vod has been contacted by teeGUMES
• The conversation may have ended in good terms that result into the removal of the red tags

[mikeywith]

Let's look at it from a neutral perspective, from someone who  has not been here long enough to make friends / enemies but have someway somehow learned a thing or two about the "politics of this forum" which i would safely call far from ethical.

Let me start by saying that I respect both OG and Vod pretty much the same and i believe they both know this already.


- publishing OG's address was a terrible mistake by Vod as i described it in his thread, anyone who blindly supports Vod and says it's OK is probably lying to themselves.



The funny part however is ,  many of the members who tried to escalate this and made it sound like the end of the world simply did so because of their personal issues with Vod , I can't prove this , but it's safe to say that if it was another member who did such a thing, many of you wouldn't say shit about it.

Another group of the same members would have also stood up for OG even if they had no issues with Vod just because OG is OG !  but they wouldn't give a flying fuck about other members being doxed.

so, i would like to ask a simple a question, if you think Vod's action deserve this much attention, and you believe in treating everyone the same, why aren't you spending a lot of time defending other members being doxed on a daily bases?  does it have to be Vod or someone you dislike ?or does it have to be about OG or any other "important" member ? because if that is the case , then demanding for equal punishment is hypocrisy.

[TECSHARE]

Another group of the same members would have also stood up for OG even if they had no issues with Vod just because OG is OG !  but they wouldn't give a flying fuck about other members being doxed.

so, i would like to ask a simple a question, if you think Vod's action deserve this much attention, and you believe in treating everyone the same, why aren't you spending a lot of time defending other members being doxed on a daily bases?  does it have to be Vod or someone you dislike ?or does it have to be about OG or any other "important" member ? because if that is the case , then demanding for equal punishment is hypocrisy.

I meant to mention this before but totally forgot. You were not around for this, but when the Master-P fiasco happened I was the first to confirm having his dox. In spite of having plenty of evidence he was probably guilty, I took steps to preserve his privacy (even though he probably didn't deserve it). I also managed to get him to return about half of the stolen funds all without publicly releasing his personal information. After dealing with a lot of accusations and harassment myself over it I released the information to only those who could provide evidence of personal involvement. This is a clear demonstration of my genuine principled stance against doxing. I only involved myself in this instance because I had an ability to act that others didn't.

Just because I don't feel the need to go around policing the forum doesn't mean I forfeit all rights to point out abusive behavior when I see it. In Vod's case he has a long history of this kind of malicious and abusive behavior, knowing full well his buddies will never check his behavior. After a slap on the wrist, he slinks away until people forget about it to return shortly after to repeat the same cycle of escalation and harassment he has always exhibited. The thing people like you who haven't been around long don't understand about him is this is a larger repeating pattern of behavior with him, hence him "taking a break" hoping people will forget...

[Quickseller]

if[...] you believe in treating everyone the same, why aren't you spending a lot of time defending other members being doxed on a daily bases? 

I was actually PM'ed yesterday about a dox of someone else I have posted, and I will give the same explanation I gave the person...

OgNasty is not reasonably accused of (trying to) obtain money belonging to someone else that he is not entitled to. In other words, there is no one seriously saying that OgNasty tried to steal money from them, nor is anyone saying that OgNasty tried to force them to send OgNasty money that he was not entitled to. Similarly, he is not accused of conspiring (nor being an accomplice) with anyone else to do the above.

Vod had accused OgNasty of not paying taxes and/or not properly reporting all of his forum/bitcoin-related income to the IRS. This was based on what appears to be baseless speculation, and the wording of OgNasty's description of certain fees he received, and Vod did not claim (to my knowledge) to have any non-public information. Further, Vod appeared to be extorting OgNasty by threatening to report OgN to the IRS if OgN did not stop being critical of Vod -- an IRS investigation/audit is expensive and time consuming, and would generally be harmful to someone even if no payment is made to the IRS at the end of the investigation/audit -- there was not explicit threat that I am aware of, and the threat was somewhat "between the lines" of statements made by Vod.

Owlcatz on the other hand (the person whose partial dox I posted, who I was PM'ed about), stands accused of being a conspirator to an extortion scheme. It is my conclusion, based on the available facts, that he played a roll in trying to force zeroaxl to give lauda money that he was not entitled to. The claim that the extortion scam was a "sting operation" is utter an complete bullshit, and anyone touting this line is either afraid of speaking out against the people involved, or is defending these criminals, and will forever have zero credibility in my book. What these people did was very wrong, and they absolutely deserve to be held accountable.

[Lauda]

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A morning  in the life of quickseller..........

Wake up, its 4 am but I need to be up to deal with all my Pajeet clients and make mad satoshi from flipping accounts., Mums basement is really cold at this time of the morning, so I don my fedora, comb my neckbeard, check my sword is nice and sharp.. got to look after your sword when you are a neckbeard account farmer like me, you never know when you may need to defend yourself.

Now on to the ritual act I must perform every day, down on my knees I pull out my holy grail.. the cat picture that I imagine is Lauda, so down go my leather pants as I furiously have my 1st Lauda wank of the day.. I may not have much to work with being blessed with a micropeen, but the thumb and index finger duo does me. so I work it hard - micro peen grows to 1 1/2 inches as I ejaculate into my special cup (i'll save that to drink later, it will give me super troll strength)

Now I rise, check my beard and fedora again, then Boot up my Pentium 4 machine and shitpost away on 1256 alt accounts, get bounty collecting.. all those satoshi's add up. I do 2 deals for 20 member accounts each to Pajeet and Pajeeta, fuck theymos and his forum for removing me from DT.. I could of been the best I could of been like Blazed, but ill just take it out on Lauda later.
Pajeeta comes back and moans at me due to 7 of the accounts being tied together by timelord, oh shit thats 3 months of work down the drain again.. better get ready to rage at Lauda.

Take a break from account grinding, better go and check on mum make sure she  has enough chicken tendies in for me today..

This explains everything.