Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban?

[SuperPandaBear]

I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters. Most Legendaries aren't even that active anymore since they are probably rich from bitcoin. They are the ones that have been here through all the hard forks and know how things work. This has been a mistake. If it happened more than 1 or 2 years ago and it wasn't much I wouldn't kick them out of the campaign if they were doing a good job. It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case. It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

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[jackg]

The thing is there were a lot of bounty managers not doing this. It does seem like it might be helpful if a given deadline was added for bans such as this. There are a lot of legendary members that have been suggest to be given much more lenient "sentensing" than the perma ban. But the point still stands if an offence was committed in 2014, they clearly got away with it...

I get that not everyone had the embarrisment of plagiarising that wikipedia page that you couldn't be bothered writing for history so the teacher made you read the first five pages of the 500 page novel you brought in on the lusitania...

[khaled0111]

By taking a look at all those ban appeal threads, it is obvious that many good membres got banned.
I am sure you can find other good posters, just give a chance to lower ranked membres and you will be amazed by the quality of their posts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

just give a chance to lower ranked membres and you will be amazed by the quality of their posts.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that.  Plus from a campaign's point of view, they get less advertising space with a lower-ranked account--that's obviously why they pay Heros and Legendaries a higher rate.

The recent purge was brutal, but it was appropriate and sends a very strong message that plagiarism is not tolerated here.  Obviously a lot of members don't seem to understand that fact, but they probably will now.  And as far as campaigns not having enough good posters as a result of the bans....who cares?  Bitcointalk isn't an employment agency, and the opportunity to be able to earn money from posting is a privilege, and one that gets taken for granted and abused to no end.  It's not Theymos's problem if a bunch of members suddenly got booted from their campaigns.

[DarkStar_]

It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

You can't hire people who break forum rules. That's hardly over-restrictive.

[josephdd1]

I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters. Most Legendaries aren't even that active anymore since they are probably rich from bitcoin. They are the ones that have been here through all the hard forks and know how things work. This has been a mistake. If it happened more than 1 or 2 years ago and it wasn't much I wouldn't kick them out of the campaign if they were doing a good job. It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case. It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

The one problem this merit system has sprawled up is this distinction between heroes and legendaries. when first campaigns were categorizing according to rank, remember there was no distinction between a hero and legendary. Simply because their signature spaces do not differ from each other in terms of the benefit they give.

So all this bullshit about segragating hero pay vs legendary pay is a ploy by campaign managers and campaign runners (projects) to pay less for the same service. Anyone arguing that a legendary brings more prestige or reputation to the post, then they can stop right there and kiss my ass.

[Foxpup]

It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

The state isn't telling you anything of the sort; it's just jailing your employees for committing crimes. You can technically still employ criminals if you want, as long as you don't mind them not showing up for work on account of being stuck in jail.

[LogitechMouse]

In your perspective as a campaign manager, it is hard for you since you really lost a good posters in your campaign but in the perspective of the admins and moderators, they don't care even you are a good poster or not as long as you break the rules they will do what they must do and that is to ban you.

Bitcointalk is not a place for employees as others said. This is a place to learn. There are many hero and legendary users here who didn't do any bad things here such as copy pasting and plagiarize. Why don't you hire them? Its better to hire user who don't break the rules compare to those who does.

[btcsmlcmnr]

The recent purge was brutal, but it was appropriate and sends a very strong message that plagiarism is not tolerated here.  

Agreed.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that.  Plus from a campaign's point of view, they get less advertising space with a lower-ranked account--that's obviously why they pay Heros and Legendaries a higher rate.

ChipMixer campaign even has not opened up a single new slot with ban of cellard. If campaigns expand original ranks from Legendary to Senior member ranks (for example) to lower ranks, like Full member or even Member ranks, there might occur another new trend.
Character assasination aims at higher ranks to dig deeply in the past in order to find their mistakes and report them. Everyone can make mistakes when we are newbies, so if they dig deeply, they might find some. To be honest with you all, I don't think it should be a trend at any odds.

For everyone hoping to get cellard's spot: There will not be a new slot opened up as a result of his ban.

By the way, I would like to ask this, so please give me answer if you know it.

It raise the ideas that why old users here don't spend their time to check their past posts. I meant I am sure that there are dominant part of forum users did not read forum rules in their trust days there, and of course they did something wrong that they did not even know that they violated forum rules and might get troubles by doing this. So, why not check past posts and delete what you think are shitposts, or not sure why and how you made that post; I believe no one can remember their past posts are palgiarisms or not (that partially why we see ban appeals ask for evidence), so it's better to delete if you think it is poor quality posts.
Only one question, which kind of treatments if one user delete their past posts that are palgiarism, before get reported (it means users realized their mistakes themselves, and correct their mistakes)?
1] Will it actually be considered as plagiarism with same treatments, perma-bans?
2] Will they be fine if they delete their past plagiarism before getting reported?
I think the answer is the second one.

[bitbollo]

With some exceptions, I am pretty sure that a plagiarists are not useful for the forum.
And they can't considered good posters. I can't see any valid reason to maintain these users.
I don't want read the same content two times

Look this as e.g.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3366313.msg38711853#msg38711853

yes yobit set an high price for promising coin/token. this is explained then by a medium price higher then other exchange for same pair.for coins with a low interest they add very low commission (or you can't withdraw at all!). sometimes is a serious issue because you're a forced to sell your coins to a fake price.
exchange tron in waves (little fee) or doge and withdraw directly to another exchange and buy tron.
you loss a small percentage of your wealth but you save 300 trx fee.

indeed yobit set a high cost for promising coin/token. this is clarified then by a medium cost higher then other trade for same pair.for coins with a low intrigue they include low commission (or you can't pull back by any stretch of the imagination!). some of the time is a significant issue since you're a compelled to pitch your coins to a phony cost.
trade tron in waves (little charge) or doge and pull back straightforwardly to another trade and purchase tron.
you misfortune a little level of your riches yet you spare 300 trx expense.

[valta4065]

I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters. Most Legendaries aren't even that active anymore since they are probably rich from bitcoin. They are the ones that have been here through all the hard forks and know how things work. This has been a mistake. If it happened more than 1 or 2 years ago and it wasn't much I wouldn't kick them out of the campaign if they were doing a good job. It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case. It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

If we think rationally, there are thousands of legendaries and hero's over here. I do believe that most of them are in-active but there also are some who are giving their best and contributing towards the growth of this forum. You might always have much better and wise choices who can meet your requirements.

The one's who are banned deserves that not because of their current behavior but due to silly mistakes made by them in the past. Copy-paste is never tolerated on the forum and it always ends up in getting permanently banned.

[examplens]

It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

The state isn't telling you anything of the sort; it's just jailing your employees for committing crimes. You can technically still employ criminals if you want, as long as you don't mind them not showing up for work on account of being stuck in jail.

Or they also can increase his payment rate and motivate people to join in his campaigns. It is a free market.

[hilariousetc]

I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list

What list is this and can we see it?

It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case.

That's a funny joke. Do you have any more? Have you had accounts banned personally? You only seem to pop up to complain about sig bans  . The problem here for a long time has been campaign managers aren't doing their job properly if at all and hence why we have such a huge problem with spam in the first place. If every campaign manager here did an exemplary job then we would have little issue with spam in the first place.

It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not.

Sorry, which campaign manager are you again? If you feel like certain people are worthy of hiring then hire them for something else. Plenty of job opportunities here other than merely posting. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can do here because we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We changed the rule to give people a second chance and people are still complaining. Maybe if the people who have sig bans stick around and contribute actively and continue to receive merit then we can consider reducing the sig ban, but the fact that we've even started giving people second chances should be applauded because prior to this it was a death sentence for life. We accepted that was harsh in certain cases and have relaxed the rule. I really wish people just weren't so lazy and entitled that they decided to copy and paste in the first place and then none of this would need to have happened in the first place. People should see signature campaigns as the blessing that they are because there's going to be a whole lot of people who miss them if we ever ban signature campaigns outright and that's certainly always an option and one theymos has considered.

By the way, I would like to ask this, so please give me answer if you know it.

It raise the ideas that why old users here don't spend their time to check their past posts.

I'm sure there are many users who have gone through their post history and deleted most or even all of their plagiarised content. I've seen people admit they've deleted their unsubstantial posts before. It would be quite a job to remember or find every single post they copied so I'm sure they'd miss some, especially if they've got thousands of posts. The bots that are running now are less forgetful though.

[r1s2g3]

Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.

In your post history , I am not able to find which bounty campaign you are managing. 
But still I do not think we have lost many good members but few good members and I hope they will be unbanned soon.

[Steamtyme]

For one there are still a lot of members eligible for campaigns. I'm not sure on the numbers but this cleaning house might be beneficial to all those who didn't break the rules. There are now more spots available for campaigns, maybe now instead of the "quickest to apply for a job"  there will be a longer application period and higher quality - I'd love to have no Sig spam to report but doubt it will get there.

I have no idea how managers earn their wage, but if it has anything to do with just making sure you've filled the spots then that was the issue; not users being banned. So it just means put in some effort and find quality participants. If you think there aren't enough raise the payment to attract members... you now like competition in the market.

ChipMixer campaign even has not opened up a single new slot with ban of cellard. If campaigns expand original ranks from Legendary to Senior member ranks (for example) to lower ranks, like Full member or even Member ranks, there might occur another new trend.
Character assasination aims at higher ranks to dig deeply in the past in order to find their mistakes and report them. Everyone can make mistakes when we are newbies, so if they dig deeply, they might find some. To be honest with you all, I don't think it should be a trend at any odds.

The CM campaign is already over capacity, and has been for a while as they expanded the list to allow for some special applications overtime. They are also a bad example to compare other campaigns with, they are the longest running I believe and most weeks out of the year the highest paying, hence the rank requirements - which earn a flat rate regardless of actual rank.

Most other campaigns do accept as low as member, it's been a while since I've checked. A lot of those campaigns though being poorly managed were bringing these plagiarists and spammers here to earn. Not saying we shouldn't allow lower ranks in but managers need to be more diligent. Like "hilarious" mentions theymos has mentioned "Sigs" could disappear one day, theymos has stated he finds them distasteful. So it's a case of people need to be doing their part to not abuse a system, and ensure we try and ensure the quality of the forum, without forcing Admins to step in with sweeping policy changes.

Sorry, which campaign manager are you again? If you feel like certain people are worthy of hiring then hire them for something else. Plenty of job opportunities here other than merely posting. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can do here because we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We changed the rule to give people a second chance and people are still complaining. Maybe if the people who have sig bans stick around and contribute actively and continue to receive merit then we can consider reducing the sig ban, but the fact that we've even started giving people second chances should be applauded because prior to this it was a death sentence for life. We accepted that was harsh in certain cases and have relaxed the rule. I really wish people just weren't so lazy and entitled that they decided to copy and paste in the first place and then none of this would need to have happened in the first place. People should see signature campaigns as the blessing that they are because there's going to be a whole lot of people who miss them if we ever ban signature campaigns outright and that's certainly always an option and one theymos has considered.

I don't think most people have an issue with this. I'd argue most of the members who receive the reduced punishment, will happily accept this. I'm interested to see how many people do continue to post and remain active, even if it's at a reduced rate, these are the people I want to see stick around. Like you said this was a huge step forward in having a sliding scale of appropriate punishment, what are the odds any of these members would be here at all if they hadn't flown under the radar a few years back.

[Jet Cash]

I hope this brings home to members that "a sig is for life, and not just for Christmas".

Now that the forum is becoming a cleaner and healthier place, lets all work together to attract some new healthy blood, and also perhaps we can persuade some of the former members to return and contribute to some of the discussions.

[hilariousetc]

Sorry, which campaign manager are you again? If you feel like certain people are worthy of hiring then hire them for something else. Plenty of job opportunities here other than merely posting. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can do here because we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We changed the rule to give people a second chance and people are still complaining. Maybe if the people who have sig bans stick around and contribute actively and continue to receive merit then we can consider reducing the sig ban, but the fact that we've even started giving people second chances should be applauded because prior to this it was a death sentence for life. We accepted that was harsh in certain cases and have relaxed the rule. I really wish people just weren't so lazy and entitled that they decided to copy and paste in the first place and then none of this would need to have happened in the first place. People should see signature campaigns as the blessing that they are because there's going to be a whole lot of people who miss them if we ever ban signature campaigns outright and that's certainly always an option and one theymos has considered.

I don't think most people have an issue with this. I'd argue most of the members who receive the reduced punishment, will happily accept this. I'm interested to see how many people do continue to post and remain active, even if it's at a reduced rate, these are the people I want to see stick around. Like you said this was a huge step forward in having a sliding scale of appropriate punishment, what are the odds any of these members would be here at all if they hadn't flown under the radar a few years back.

People will still complain. Seen a couple already (or alts/friends of users). They may have had the death sentence overturned but they've still got a year or two in jail and that's going to be a loss of earnings for a year as well which will be the only motivation many people who get caught plagiarising are here for. Many will still be happy to have access to their accounts but for the vast majority of people they're probably only here to earn so it's as good as or at least for the duration of their ban. I can't see many people who get a ban sticking around and posting much when they can't monetise doing so. Maybe a few posts here and there to collect activity and keep the account ticking over but more often than not I'd bet most accounts will become very inactive unless they have other business here.

Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.

In your post history , I am not able to find which bounty campaign you are managing. 
But still I do not think we have lost many good members but few good members and I hope they will be unbanned soon.

I doubt he is one. I'd say it's more likely he's had an account banned previously. There's definitely no shortage of decent posters to choose from but looks like this is the excuse he's going to run with rather than the truth of what really is bothering him.

[tbct_mt2]

I can't see many people who get a ban sticking around and posting much when they can't monetise doing so. Maybe a few posts here and there to collect activity and keep the account ticking over but more often than not I'd bet most accounts will become very inactive unless they have other business here.

There are always exceptions, like @redsn0w, whom likely the first one get alternative ban rather than permanent ban. Redsn0w maybe the first one changed theymos' thoughts on permanent bans. However, I agreed that such cases are very scarce.

His identity (name-surname) was well know or am I wrong?

@Otoh great, i send it to you as requested so posting it here doesn't matter, it's already in the OP.
Do you mind removing my email from your post ?

sure np

[Findingnemo]

Many good poster got lesser penalty due to their contribution on this forum,but its surprising for me that even good posters were did copy paste few years back.

[finaleshot2016]

Many good poster got lesser penalty due to their contribution on this forum,but its surprising for me that even good posters were did copy paste few years back.

I can say that not of all members are good at the beginning, people are just trying to make an easy way to rank up. Way back those years, ranking up is a really big thing, people rushin' their posts to have at least 14 activities per 2 weeks.

For me, it's just a mistake, they should verify when does the plagiarism happen. Those legendaries and heroes are already contributed a lot of threads that might help the future generation of this community. They will be forgotten forever because of a single mistake that happened at the beginning of your journey. Well, if that's the decision of the higher-ups, we can't do anything but follow and be a responsible member of this community.

and also perhaps we can persuade some of the former members to return and contribute to some of the discussions.

Agree, this community has a lot of topics/discussion that might help our community. I think they will come back without persuading them here just for discussions. They know themselves the benefit of this forum and I know they needed it. Even I will do the same, this forum is already a part of my life, there's is something missing if I didn't visit this forum daily.