Shouldn't Theymos act on Bounty Managers Now

[stompix]

32k active users, hmmm, close to the number of all the people that received at least one merit

So, 5000 users the AI saidddd...wtf..you've gone eco too?

It didn't pass emission standards?

Seems like the 10 merits idea is indeed feasible...

[Oyarebu]

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In my opinion it's a good idea, and one I have suggested before. I don't think the requirements even need to be as high as you have made them - most spammers are unable to earn a single merit, let alone 200. However, users can and do buy or trade merits, and use one grandfathered account to rank up many alts. With that in mind, I would simply change it to require 10 earned merit, regardless of rank, before being allowed a signature.

That we have seen many time on the forum, where accounts are rank up behind higher accounts which to me act like grandfather account rank children's accounts. Many deserved accounts on the forum are starving with merit while others with grandfathers are enjoying the privilege of grandfathership, thanks for your diligent notice.

As rightly said, the merit could be fix on 20 earned merit from Full Member rank and above while 10 merit for Junior members and Member account. This can curb spam and plagiarism, although this cannot be rely upon, but the rest should be left for the Campaign Manager to decide whether to allow such account to participate on the campaign or not, as merit cannot be a yardstick for quality post.   

[o_e_l_e_o]

but the rest should be left for the Campaign Manager to decide whether to allow such account to participate on the campaign or not, as merit cannot be a yardstick for quality post.

The problem is that most campaign managers don't do their jobs. Have a look at the guidelines in the following stickied thread: Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign). It states that campaign managers should be actively monitoring their participants daily, and that they should not be paying people to make poor contributions en masse. This clearly isn't the case.

There are small handful of good, clean campaigns, which are generally run by one of the users on this list (Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers), but the vast majority of campaigns pay out for any old spam, whether or not it is contributing to the thread, whether or not it is on topic, sometimes whether or not it is even understandable. We can't leave it to campaign managers because there are too many campaign managers out there who will employ spammers en masse.

[Oyarebu]

but the rest should be left for the Campaign Manager to decide whether to allow such account to participate on the campaign or not, as merit cannot be a yardstick for quality post.

... We can't leave it to campaign managers because there are too many campaign managers out there who will employ spammers en masse.

  Then what is the reason why they are still here on the forum, if they aren't ready to contribute to the progress of this forum?. Although am not yet conversant with these Campaign Managers on this forum, but have read some comments about some good Campaign Managers who have been here for longtime and doing well in this regard.

Suggestion: Let these senior Campaign Managers take it upon themselves to work on the new springing Campaign Managers to be useful to the forum, and not just to make money to the detriment of this forum. If possible, let them form a union to handle issues of this caliber. Defaulters within the unions will be dealt with if found accept spammers into their campaigns. “Just my little cent”.
  

[o_e_l_e_o]

Then what is the reason why they are still here on the forum, if they aren't ready to contribute to the progress of this forum?

The same reason all the bounty spammers are here - greed, money, personal gain, etc. They don't care about the future of the forum, they only care about how best to exploit it for themselves.

Suggestion: Let these senior Campaign Managers take it upon themselves to work on the new springing Campaign Managers to be useful to the forum, and not just to make money to the detriment of this forum. If possible, let them form a union to handle issues of this caliber. Defaulters within the unions will be dealt with if found accept spammers into their campaigns.

We shouldn't be forcing the good managers to clean up the mess of the bad ones. If the bad ones can't follow the clearly laid out rules that I linked to above, then they get a warning then a ban from the mods. Mass bannings would quickly send the message that they need to clean up their act.

[Pmalek]

Personally I think we should be tagging the shit managers, they are a bigger problem than the shitposters now

They are because they accept anyone who applies in an altcoin signature campaign!
Is there any screening process that these bounty managers do? Do any of the applicants get rejected? I am not asking the reputable managers managing BTC campaigns but the rest. It seems that anyone gets accepted as long as you have the needed rank.

Simply looking at the numbers you would understand that a manager of an alt campaign doesn't have much time to check the posts.
- They accept 300+ users, maybe even 1000s in their signature campaigns.
- Many campaigns also have social media campaigns. Not sure what the average is in those, but lets say 2000 users. X3 for facebook, twitter, instagram for example.

So lets say that a campaign has 300 participants in their signature campaign. Every user has to post 15 posts weekly. 300 users = 4.500 posts weekly.
2.000 social media participants in facebook, twitter and instagram campaign = 6.000 posts daily, 42.000 weekly.
Altogether that is 46.500 weekly posts that need to be checked by a human in terms of quality!
And that is just the work that needs to be handled for Sig and Social Media campaigns and there is much more.

To sum up, most bounty managers can't check and don't check what the participants in their campaigns post as there is no time for that.
We are in need of a particular set of guidelines and rules for Altcoin bounty managers if something is to change.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I just gonna drop those here, so hopefully someone will see the problem all the way from the past til now.
Improvements in Bounty Campaigns
Campaign Managers and Bots. The main reason for the SPAM. Solutions?
Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread ?
Setting Bounty requirements

[Oyarebu]

Then what is the reason why they are still here on the forum, if they aren't ready to contribute to the progress of this forum?

The same reason all the bounty spammers are here - greed, money, personal gain, etc. They don't care about the future of the forum, they only care about how best to exploit it for themselves.
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This is ridiculous, let the Admin head institute an action against these managers or else, they will destroy the forum in his hand, as the Head Admin. Exploiting the system for their Contentment and never worry of the forum future? they aren't seeking for the forum progress therefore the forum shouldn't seek theirs too.

Personally I think we should be tagging the shit managers, they are a bigger problem than the shitposters now

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To sum up, most bounty managers can't check and don't check what the participants in their campaigns post as there is no time for that.
We are in need of a particular set of guidelines and rules for Altcoin bounty managers if something is to change.

Not comfortable with them not be able to check their employees work at the end of the day, before payment be made to their respective accounts. Let the upper room take the necessary action now or never.

Absolutely in agreement with your idea to provide guidelines and rules that will govern them all.

I just gonna drop those here, so hopefully someone will see the problem all the way from the past til now.
Improvements in Bounty Campaigns
Campaign Managers and Bots. The main reason for the SPAM. Solutions?
Shouldn't bounty managers clean up spam posts in their thread ?
Setting Bounty requirements

That is the spirit of patriotism, and am convince you are one among the good citizens of this forum, keep it up sir/ma'am, "we will get there to put an end to them someday!!!."