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Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.

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May 17, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
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This is already a topic long ago, we all know that shitposting was commonly done by the participants of campaigns. The issue in bounty campaigns wasn't prioritized, it's just a part of the marketplace where we can earn income by posting. Staffs and admins are focusing on how we can develop our community into a good one. I know that diminishing those irresponsible bounty managers might decrease the shitposters but admin's actions towards the forum will benefit the whole community, not just on a specific section. Also, we can't control the rules of the bounty since they own the project, they will decide what should be done, and that's the risk part of joining a campaign.

Most of the bounty managers in the altcoin section were not that good at checking post history of their participants because they're too many of them. This is the reason why shitposting, plagiarism and spamming was very common in those kinds of participants. Some of the bounty managers are holding a lot of campaigns with a lot of participants, do you think they will manage it? I think not. Bounty managers are also a victim, but that's not an excuse to be used here because it's their responsibility to manage the bounty, they're the one who will control and distribute the income of each participant, no matter what happens, the bounty manager is the point person of a specific project. But no worries, some good bounty managers had already received negative trust.

Why there still a shitposter in this forum despite having a lot of additional systems to control this problem. They should have known that at the beginning, they already know how to speak and read, I think they should also understand the rules.

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May 17, 2019, 07:53:02 PM
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I was Proposed guidelines for bounty managers, but unfortunately I haven't got any answer from admin. Likely admin don't want to moderate bounty section. I believe there should be something that would drive bounty managers on right way. BM are living now on freedom forum and they are doing whatever they want. I don't think admin will do something for bounty mangers and perhaps he left it for trust system Wink.   

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May 17, 2019, 07:59:40 PM
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I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants?
Yep, most definitely.

This is already a topic long ago
I don't even think it was all that long ago, but I do remember that the discussion went on with no input from Theymos and ultimately no resolution.  I'm really happy about all these bans that just happened, but I really don't think Theymos is going to put any restrictions on bounty managers, regardless of what the community thinks.  Believe me, I'd love to see some guidelines laid down for bounty managers and how they should have to conduct the application process and post monitoring and everything else, but I'm not going to bet that's going to happen.

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May 17, 2019, 08:22:09 PM
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This is already a topic long ago
I don't even think it was all that long ago, but I do remember that the discussion went on with no input from Theymos and ultimately no resolution.  I'm really happy about all these bans that just happened, but I really don't think Theymos is going to put any restrictions on bounty managers, regardless of what the community thinks.  Believe me, I'd love to see some guidelines laid down for bounty managers and how they should have to conduct the application process and post monitoring and everything else, but I'm not going to bet that's going to happen.

Agree, I'm just referring that it was discussed long ago but don't have any output that has been done by our admins. I also liked to see how will admins set regulations to bounty managers because some of them are receiving huge payments just to fool the participants. I've been scammed a lot of times in a project and BMs are included in that action. Undecided

admin's actions towards the forum will benefit the whole community, not just on a specific section.

Systems that have been created for the forum are trust and merit system. As we can see, it's a general solution that is applied to all of the members of this community but if we think deeper, those systems cover up all of the problems in this forum, there's a lot of factors they consider before implementing the system. So basically, the issue in bounty managers will not be given any attention, even we create a lot of solutions there will be always a problem. Members are the one should change and be responsible for their actions here. The trust and merit system is enough and I think it's the best solution as of now to avoid things that hinder the betterment of the forum.


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May 17, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
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Also, we can't control the rules of the bounty since they own the project, they will decide what should be done, and that's the risk part of joining a campaign.

Suggestion to this, what about the forum limiting how many bounty or signature campaign a manager can handle altogether at a time ?  Grin. I'm thinking this can be possible, I don't think this is controlling them on the terms and rules to the campaign but a condition precedent to become a manager. Perhaps, they could have lesser work to do so they might have the "conscience" to give more time to the few bounty/campaign they will be limited to.

Like 3/4 at a time, I hope this could help the forum. This is an opinion anyway  Shocked

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May 17, 2019, 11:17:40 PM
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Also, we can't control the rules of the bounty since they own the project, they will decide what should be done, and that's the risk part of joining a campaign.

Suggestion to this, what about the forum limiting how many bounty or signature campaign a manager can handle altogether at a time ?  Grin. I'm thinking this can be possible, I don't think this is controlling them on the terms and rules to the campaign but a condition precedent to become a manager. Perhaps, they could have lesser work to do so they might have the "conscience" to give more time to the few bounty/campaign they will be limited to.

Like 3/4 at a time, I hope this could help the forum. This is an opinion anyway  Shocked
Great managers can handle many campaigns at a higher quality so its not good to limit them because we honeslty want them to manage many campaigns since we can have the confidence of a good management.

Everyone can put up their bounty campaign, and even a new account or lower rank can manage that but the real answer with this one is that, its the bounty hunters job to do their best lookin for a good campaign, and report if there’s a suspicious bounty program. If there’s already a negative trust on the manager, then don’t take the risk anymore, don’t be greedy and look for other good bounties.
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May 17, 2019, 11:32:50 PM
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Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.
Plagiarism is a crime, its a massive offense everywhere. Bounty management,not so much or at all. Spam is all across the internet, only difference here is, people get paid to do so, and worse of all they abuse that crap to hell's extent.

A simple solution would be to not allow any bounties on this forum since its a bitcoin forum, and to host all the altcoin bounties campaign elsewhere, but that argument has been used for far too long, and nothing has come out of it. There are a million solutions to tackle this(exaggeration), but none of them would be viable here because liberation rules this forum, so chances are very minimalistic.

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Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.
Bounties section are the busiest section in the forum with a lot of spam, and scams project. Managers should be more liable with their participants and choose only the good one but in bounties section, its easy to join and spam the forum.

My only suggestion is that, stop the signature program of the bounties if its not paying through BTC let them ask for the bounty hunter to just advertise outside this forum or on social medias because I think BTC signature campaign managers are more strict, respected managers and compose of a well participants, because of the huge competition joining the campaign.

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Now that stringent measures are being put in place to eradicate plagiarism and spamming through ban and all that, will it not also be time for Theymos or the admins to put in place measures to checkmate Bounty Managers on the way they run their bounties? I mean shouldn't these mangers become strict (or be forced to) on crosschecking the post habits of their participants? The altcoin bounty threads are now messy. What can be done to make it better? Your suggestions can help Theymos make a valuable change.

This is a complex issue to address. To what extent a bounty manager should be liable for his/her participants behaviour?
But one thing for sure is these managers are taking up too much job for them to handle. And they are compromising the quality to make it look like they are doing the job properly. And in some instances, they even work with the plagiarizing and spamming to scam the bounty issuer.

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It's a big job for Theymos doing it, he just owned the forum and just like Mark Zuckerberg owning facebook that cannot prevent everything that is posted and shared even if it's illegal. The consequences happens after the very action, and we have the rules to follow, that doesn't change at all.

 
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You can suggest here: Signature advertisers: suggestions? He created that thread for this type of topic and it's currently in need of a bump  Wink
Read the previous discussion before suggesting, it might be already mentioned by someone.

Take note that he also mentioned somewhere that there are tons of work that have to be done.

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May 18, 2019, 05:34:12 AM
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I'm really happy about all these bans that just happened, but I really don't think Theymos is going to put any restrictions on bounty managers, regardless of what the community thinks.  Believe me, I'd love to see some guidelines laid down for bounty managers and how they should have to conduct the application process and post monitoring and everything else, but I'm not going to bet that's going to happen.
Things changed fastly in the forum, and in crypto, so we only have unofficial rules of the forum, instead of official rules. In addition, theymos stated long time ago, maybe in 2019 or late of 2018, that he actually felt campaigns paid in altcoins, tokens are distasteful, and might serious consider restrict all campaigns that not pay in bitcoin. The main reason (likely come from @LoyceV) is that by restricting all campaigns, bounties pay via altcoins and tokens, scammers have to pay some cost (via Bitcoin, the only acceptable payments for bounties) to scam others. It means they have to pay a cost first, and it might potentialy reduce numbers of scam projects that run bounties there to scam crypto enthusiasts.
Such restriction will automatically and dramatically reduce bounty topics and spam in bounty child boards for sure, like what we have witnessed with merit system, months after start of the system, demotions on Junior Members activated, after that spamming reduced considerably.

For a official or unofficial guideline for bounty managers, I don't think that sort of guideline will be launched by admins. Main reasons are most of important things are presented here: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ, and related reference sources.
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May 18, 2019, 06:46:35 AM
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I guess bounty managers are only bound by moral and legal ethics. Nothing in forum rules specify anything for them.
Theymos never created any guidelines for them, so what you want from Theymos to check?

If in next wave , temp / perm /sig bans are started getting awarded to spammers, then these problem would be solved.

If you are relying on bounty manager then how you will tackle user who are not in any bounty and still spamming.

Theymos allows the users to earn from bounties but there is no endrosement for them. Actually making a list of bounty managers by Theymos will be implied as endrosement by Theymos.

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May 18, 2019, 07:14:26 AM
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My only suggestion is that, stop the signature program of the bounties if its not paying through BTC let them ask for the bounty hunter to just advertise outside this forum or on social medias ...
This was what the Campaign Manager, Yahoo, did with the MB8coin project he managed which I also participated in advertising on my Facebook profile. We had to share, retwit and post on social media outside this forum as he refused to include signature bounty. I can say that took the spam outside here.

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May 18, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
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Any hiring of services that use the forum, such as bounties, and do not pay using Bitcoin, should pay a small fee in Bitcoins. This fee would considerably reduce the number of spam, ghost accounts and bots. It would also help to separate the serious services from the junk that are created daily.
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We already have a set of rules for bounty managers to follow, and a set of clearly defined escalating punishments which they will be subjected to if they do not follow them. See the following sticky from the Services section: Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign). The problem is that these rules are not enforced. If we were following these rules, then about 90% of altcoin bounties would have been banned already.

There is an endless stream of users who are willing to spam, shitpost, and plagiarize for next to nothing in payment, and we will be fighting them forever unless we crack down on the root of the problem - the campaigns that "employ" them at zero cost to themselves, paying them in a token they've just created out of thin air.

Also, we can't control the rules of the bounty since they own the project, they will decide what should be done, and that's the risk part of joining a campaign.
The bounty rules are irrelevant. The forum rules state no off topic posts, no low or zero value posts, and no plagiarizing. It doesn't matter if a bounty campaign states that users should copy and paste a specific message across multiple threads and boards. If they are breaking forum rules, they should be banned.

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Maybe it's time the community to start controling those managers. I created this thread long ago but wasn't that success. List of Campaign Managers accepting shitposters. Report here >

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Rules or no rules, signature or no signature,  spam and unhealthy poster would still make there ill sort of post.  Even some that can not get one merit to rank up to the level of wearing a signature still constantly make redundant post. So the aim should be tackling the Shit posters and Shit post. How can that be done?  Well for now one good way, and majority knows(but don't execute it) by now is to use the report to the mods button at the bottom of a post or reply, yes if we can effectively do this with out been bias or trolling this can really help to tackle spam post until more measures are put it place
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Maybe it's time the community to start controling those managers. I created this thread long ago but wasn't that success. List of Campaign Managers accepting shitposters. Report here >

Thanks for this link.  I re read my old comments. Still I guess we are not sure how we deal with somebody who will be running the bounty from outside of this forum.
Best way is to focus on the user that are spamming and encourage BM to contribute in SMAS list.

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