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May 21, 2019, 04:39:46 AM
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What kind of improvement ba ang magagawa sa PCOS machine? enhance scanning speed rate? enhance data gathering? Katulad nga ng sinabi ko sa thread ko na 'to, it's just a basic system at kahit anong upgrade mo sa machine if hindi naman concrete yung server, pwede pa rin yan mabago. Kahit lagyan mo ng maximum security ang server ng COMELEC, mababago at mababago pa rin yan kapag ang mismong ang officials ng COMELEC ay may access or have the keys to open it. Magiging bulag pa rin ba tayo, ilang beses na kasi nangyari yung ganong eksena at ang nakakahiya pa don is during 1st day of election pa nagkakaproblema. Knowing COMELEC, hindi nila lalagyan ng maximum security yan dahil they need to back up all of the infos na natatanggap ng server.

You've already stated the answer have a concrete server as an Improvement. Another improvement that you already stated is to charge that certain government agency and have a better agency. How sure are you that it was comelec have the trust Issue?  If you don't then let is not talk about that. It was actually the smartmatic had that problem maybe let's also consider that there are some from the COMELEC. You can check that Smartmatic issue about the PCOS on any news site just search for Glenn Chong as the lawyer of the said case. Based on my work experience the main functionality when it comes to this kind of system should always be the security and hindi mo kailangan mag decrease ng security codes mo just to have the backup.

The failure na sinasabi mo mate is from the machine itself not from the system. Therefore pde rin mangyari na palpak ang computer na i provide ng Comelec if ever. What else can we expect made from china devices.

What's funny is that kahit na sabihin pa natin na through blockchain process ang system kung before palang na pasa sa process ng blockchain ang said votes ay nag karuon na ng katiwalian everything that you are trying to proposed is still useless.


Kung nabasa mo yung post ko talaga, it's very easy to vote in an actual computer than shadign kasi don magcliclick ka lang kung sino ang mga iboboto mo, nothing complex. Kung sa paglagay nga ng paper, merong assistant para ma-scan yung mga votes mo, syempre meron din for the computers.
Mas easy talaga mate but when it comes to basicality shading parin tlga. kailangan mo lng mag hold ng pen unlike using a computer in which it alteast requires you to have basic knowledge in using a mouse which  actually takes atleast several minutes for an average filipino person na mang2 to understand.

Sa pag provide pa nga lng ng proper pen for shading bagsak na gobyerno natin provide mo pa ng Personal Computer? It only require one machine using the current voting system. If you insist on that system that you proposed that might require the government na mag allocate ng mas maraming machine and I can personally say that they can't do that.


Hindi naman gagawa yung botante or the filipino voters ng blockchain mismo eh, those intellectual tech specialist ang gagawa ng blockchain and syempre pag nagawa, boboto lang tayo with a user-friendly platform na may blockchain. Hindi na manual shading at mas madali. You thought tayo ang gagawa ng blockchain nung sinabi kong "matagal ng napapagaralan yan", I'm just referring to those tech specialist  Cheesy. Also, kung tatanungin mo pa kung posible yung blockchain, YES kasi naging project study na siya dito sa amin, completely done and ang purpose niya is for data sa university, nabanggit ko rin yun sa thread ko.

Explaining blockchain is very easy, even my parents, nung nag-start ako mag btc, they understand it well kahit na hindi naman mataas yung na-attain nilang education basta magaling yung nag-eexplain, goods yon, what more sa iba pa? Ang problema kasi dito sa Pilipinas, masyadong nali-limit yung learnings na ibinabahagi, pero honestly speaking, if we have a better education, sobrang talino ng mga Pinoy. Kaya I know they will understand how blockchain works.

And paulit ulit kong sinasabi na pinaghahandaan yan, di naman yan i-iimplement agad agad hahaha. Di naman ata stupid ang government for deploying a complex system at baka mas lalong mahirapan pa. They should be ready on it, pero admit it sobrang helpful ng blockchain sa mga ganitong bagay.

Am I saying na hindi possible? that is actually a great idea. What I was trying to say is that it does not fit to our community. Mind that you are talking on behalf sa university level na. Well cguro hindi naman base lng sa level ng educational attainment na susukat ang level ng pag unawa ng isang tao. Bakit hindi mo muna kaya i try sa walang pinag aralan tlga ang bagay na iyan then give me feedback. Wag ka muna mag bigay ng hypothesis for now since you've only tried it sa iyong parents. Knowing the fact na magaling ka mag turo cause your parents understood it.

Hindi nga stupid ang government pero sa simpling voting system nga san damukal na kapalpakan na and mind you mate pinag aralan at pinaghandaan pa nila yan ha. What can expect pa kaya of their performance for this said system na as we all know na mas complex.



Read my topic, government will implement seminars about this. Lahat yan magagawan ng paraan if interesado talaga ang government and I think hindi stupid ang government to implement this ng bigla bigla without reviewing. I'm not comparing myself to others, Andami kong sinabi sa taas na ways kung hindi ka nakapag NAT/NCAE, there are seminars, online tutorials, and may TV tutorials. People can read and write, wag mong sabihing hindi nakakapagbasa at nakakapagsulat ang mga filipino voters, dun palang posible na kasi maiintindihan naman nila yun kasi malamang sa malamang user-friendly platform ang gagawin para makaboto. Ang dami kong binanggit pero parang pino-point out mo na sinasabi ko lang 'to because I have the learnings? attacking me even I stated all the "options" na pwedeng gawin. I still have faith in the filipinos na magiimprove pa tayo kahit sobrang toxic na ng iba sa atin.

I did read and fully understood your topic, now have you understood may point of view sa bagay na yan? Sabi ko nga dba sa simpleng shadding nga lang na may commercial tv ads pa palpak parin dahil d lahat naka intindi. How much more a much complex topics sa seminar?

Yup hindi nga stupid ang government but stating the obvious palpak ang system and how they implement things.
Then iisahin natin ang given options mo.
Seminars - iilang tao lng kaya pupunta? at sa pupunta iilang tao lng kaya makakaintindi?
Online tutorials - mga kabataan lng at mga computer literate lng ang makakapanuod at d mo pa sure if lahat naka intindi
Tv ads- nagawa na nila to sa simpling shadding and yet marami paring hindi alam pano proper way of shading.

Therefore all options that you have stated is not efficient.


why did you judge me based on my statements? I'm just a poor boy with wide perspective and nacoconsider ko lahat ng factors kaya ko sinasabi ito. I'm just studying in a state u, free tuition ang nagdadala sakin, that's why bumabawi ako sa government, I'm suggesting this things kasi may pinag-aralan ako. All of us can study in state u, may mga state u na ang focus is arts if you're not very good at critical and logical thinking, may mga state u naman na ang focus is business. Ang daming state u na pwedeng mag-bloom yung learnings mo kaya lahat posibleng makapag-aral kung magsisipag. therefore, lahat posible mangyari if interesado at gagawan ng paraan, ang idea lumalawak lalo na kapag interesado kang gawin ang isang bagay.




You have a good intellectual capacity so don't get me wrong, your statement is not for poor thing it's for idiot proof thing mate. Based on your statement kasi you think na other people have the same intellectual capacity kasi as you do or closer to you. Again that was my "opinyon" based on your statement. Again you have a good suggestion so don't get me wrong. Kailangan mo lng isipin na this perspective of mine can help your study.

That is how a study should be right? To solve the problem isn't it?

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If you really read the topic, machines have a high failure rate compare sa algorithm.
I don't want to have a circular discussion, kasi bumabalik lang tayo sa mga questions na answerable naman with my details.

I respect your opinion and be positive nalang po! Thanks for having a good discussion.  Wink
Again I do read your topic and please also read and understand my point towards it. Yes "machines" have a high failure rate compared sa algo. Pero blockchain algo requires a machine isn't it? therefore it also has a high failure rate am I right or wrong?

Thank you for respecting my opinyon. This is why I love this forum.

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That's why I hate filipino culture kasi masyadong pinopoint out yung mga negative effects ng isang bagay, kaya walang nagiging confident magpahayag ng platform kasi laging napupuna.

Don't hate that certain culture mate that is reality. What you should hate about the filipino culture that I also do is how people react to those certain negativity. Also gusto lng kita i remind mate you are making a study here and a healthy criticism should not be considered as negativity.

Dahil kung may panel ka for sure gigisahin ka at yan ang gusto ko i turo sayo. Cguro nga ay dahil nag aaral kapa kay hindi mo pa masyadong gets. A tip lng kasi gusto kita at malaki ang potential mo.

In the real business mate this is really what is going to happened to you mas worse pa if American or Austrilian ang amo mo. I have been in the IT industry for 2 years and mas malala pa na pang gigisa ang na experienced ko after proposing my own system. and Again dahil nga pinoy tayo masyado ko seneryoso mga criticism nila sakin and quit my job that is why I am teaching you some learnings from my experiences so don't get it wrong peace and have a great life ahead.
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You've already stated the answer have a concrete server as an Improvement. Another improvement that you already stated is to charge that certain government agency and have a better agency. How sure are you that it was comelec have the trust Issue?  If you don't then let is not talk about that. It was actually the smartmatic had that problem maybe let's also consider that there are some from the COMELEC. You can check that Smartmatic issue about the PCOS on any news site just search for Glenn Chong as the lawyer of the said case. Based on my work experience the main functionality when it comes to this kind of system should always be the security and hindi mo kailangan mag decrease ng security codes mo just to have the backup.

The failure na sinasabi mo mate is from the machine itself not from the system. Therefore pde rin mangyari na palpak ang computer na i provide ng Comelec if ever. What else can we expect made from china devices.

What's funny is that kahit na sabihin pa natin na through blockchain process ang system kung before palang na pasa sa process ng blockchain ang said votes ay nag karuon na ng katiwalian everything that you are trying to proposed is still useless.

Well ang masasabi ka nalang is to trust our government and I know na possible talaga yung blockchain sa electoral system. Computer is a machine pero compare sa machine talaga like PCOS, sobrang laki ng difference. Ang algorithm ay from sa Computer and sobrang rare na magkaroon ng failure rate sa algorithm ng blockchain. The blockchain itself is part of machine learning na kung saan mas efficient at accurate lahat ng data natatanggap. Sobrang wide kasi ng knowledge at alam kong may kakayahan ang pinoy sa pag-implement nito, there's a problem in the government at may deep reason kung bakit until now hindi pa rin naiimplement yung ganitong klase ng system.

Mas easy talaga mate but when it comes to basicality shading parin tlga. kailangan mo lng mag hold ng pen unlike using a computer in which it alteast requires you to have basic knowledge in using a mouse which  actually takes atleast several minutes for an average filipino person na mang2 to understand.

Sa pag provide pa nga lng ng proper pen for shading bagsak na gobyerno natin provide mo pa ng Personal Computer? It only require one machine using the current voting system. If you insist on that system that you proposed that might require the government na mag allocate ng mas maraming machine and I can personally say that they can't do that.

I don't think so kasi sobrang sensitive kapag shading ang gagawin kasi kapag lumagpas ka lang, void agad yung vote mo so masasayang lang. I agree na sobrang hirap i-provide ng government yung sandamakmak na PC, I think hindi naman need ng high end specs kasi nga blockchain is in the internet, ang gagastusin lang nila is the blockchain itself, kung ang government ay gumagastos para sa server ng PCOS machine, same lang din naman sa blockchain.

Am I saying na hindi possible? that is actually a great idea. What I was trying to say is that it does not fit to our community. Mind that you are talking on behalf sa university level na. Well cguro hindi naman base lng sa level ng educational attainment na susukat ang level ng pag unawa ng isang tao. Bakit hindi mo muna kaya i try sa walang pinag aralan tlga ang bagay na iyan then give me feedback. Wag ka muna mag bigay ng hypothesis for now since you've only tried it sa iyong parents. Knowing the fact na magaling ka mag turo cause your parents understood it.

Hindi nga stupid ang government pero sa simpling voting system nga san damukal na kapalpakan na and mind you mate pinag aralan at pinaghandaan pa nila yan ha. What can expect pa kaya of their performance for this said system na as we all know na mas complex.

Ang iniisip ko nalang din is yung security ng voting system, ang pinaka objective ng blockchain sa election system is to provide maximum security as stated naman sa details. Alam kong may iilan pa ring concern sa ating bansa so I think posible kahit sobrang daming kapalpakan ng ibang officials at comelec mismo. Sobrang laki kasi talaga ng benefit nito, yung mga dati hindi rin naman aware sa PCOS machine at kabado bumoto kasi wala pa silang experience pero kapag yung implementation ng blockchain is similar lang din naman at mapapagaralan, may mga mahihirap din na nahirapan dati sa implementation ng PCOS machine kaya same lang yan.

I did read and fully understood your topic, now have you understood may point of view sa bagay na yan? Sabi ko nga dba sa simpleng shadding nga lang na may commercial tv ads pa palpak parin dahil d lahat naka intindi. How much more a much complex topics sa seminar?

Yup hindi nga stupid ang government but stating the obvious palpak ang system and how they implement things.
Then iisahin natin ang given options mo.
Seminars - iilang tao lng kaya pupunta? at sa pupunta iilang tao lng kaya makakaintindi?
Online tutorials - mga kabataan lng at mga computer literate lng ang makakapanuod at d mo pa sure if lahat naka intindi
Tv ads- nagawa na nila to sa simpling shadding and yet marami paring hindi alam pano proper way of shading.

Therefore all options that you have stated is not efficient.

Palpak lagi ang sistema tuwing election kasi may pandaraya na nagaganap, it's very obvious naman kasi talaga. Madalas ng nangyayari yan since dati pa kasi hindi nga concrete ang system pero kapag na-implement mo yung blockchain, I assure you na imposible na magkaroon ng errors that might affect the result, posible magkaroon ng error pero minimal lang sa mga computer.

If gagawing mandatory at magalinng ang mag eexplain, maiintidihan yan. Ang mga magulang ngayon or matatanda kapag nanonood sa youtube is natututo din sila. Sobrang wide ng perspective ko at I don't see it as a complex problem. Normal lang naman na maraming nagkakamali sa umpisa eh, kahit sa anong bagay kaya nga may assistants and actual testing, pwede ka rin mag implement ng mock election para masubukan ang sistema, sobrang daming solusyon, hindi lang pinapansin.

You have a good intellectual capacity so don't get me wrong, your statement is not for poor thing it's for idiot proof thing mate. Based on your statement kasi you think na other people have the same intellectual capacity kasi as you do or closer to you. Again that was my "opinyon" based on your statement. Again you have a good suggestion so don't get me wrong. Kailangan mo lng isipin na this perspective of mine can help your study.

That is how a study should be right? To solve the problem isn't it?

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Don't hate that certain culture mate that is reality. What you should hate about the filipino culture that I also do is how people react to those certain negativity. Also gusto lng kita i remind mate you are making a study here and a healthy criticism should not be considered as negativity.

Dahil kung may panel ka for sure gigisahin ka at yan ang gusto ko i turo sayo. Cguro nga ay dahil nag aaral kapa kay hindi mo pa masyadong gets. A tip lng kasi gusto kita at malaki ang potential mo.

In the real business mate this is really what is going to happened to you mas worse pa if American or Austrilian ang amo mo. I have been in the IT industry for 2 years and mas malala pa na pang gigisa ang na experienced ko after proposing my own system. and Again dahil nga pinoy tayo masyado ko seneryoso mga criticism nila sakin and quit my job that is why I am teaching you some learnings from my experiences so don't get it wrong peace and have a great life ahead.

Thanks at naiintindihan ko point mo pero pilit ko pa ring pinaglalaban point ko at pilit mo ring dinedebunk ang idea ko which is a good way of formulating another level of discussion. Sana nga ganito lahat ng members sa community natin and hoping na lahat may ganitong klaseng idea at kinokonsider lahat ng bagay sa pagbibigay ng opinyon.

I don't considered it as negativity, actually natutuwa nga ako na you're here to waste time with me just to create a discussion which is good naman at both sides nagbebenefit.

So IT ka pala, I see. May kilala kasi akong mga IT professionals na saying it's possible, ang kulang nalang is the action of government so i'm still pushing this to you kahit marami ka ng sinabing whole to my proposed system. Pinanghahawakan ko yung advise nila at yung mga na-search ko to create this topic kaya I'm still defending it.

Thanks again! +1, I hope na ganito lahat, this is the real meaning of forum.  Cool

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bump

It's now taking place Smiley

Voting via blockchain makes a lot of sense right now, and we've gotten a lot of positive feedback from citizens since we're implementing new technology, especially right now, when NFT is quite popular in our nation. I know na marami pang loopholes pero at least may progress at posible nga ito. May mga bagay na unexpected talagang nangyari so better be open-minded on new things.

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It's now taking place Smiley
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I know na marami pang loopholes pero at least may progress at posible nga ito.
I'm impressed dun sa nagawa nun 8th-grader at tulad ng sinabi mo, may mga loopholes pa like the fact na pwedeng bumoto with multiple numbers at kahit na may balak silang mag dagdag ng KYC process in the future [source], its success rate depends on what extent they're willing to go to verify those data [without the involvement ng gobyerno, impossible yung task]!

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bump

It's now taking place Smiley

Voting via blockchain makes a lot of sense right now, and we've gotten a lot of positive feedback from citizens since we're implementing new technology, especially right now, when NFT is quite popular in our nation. I know na marami pang loopholes pero at least may progress at posible nga ito. May mga bagay na unexpected talagang nangyari so better be open-minded on new things.

Firstly "Congratulations" for taking finally the Legendary Rank , now you Got your Finaleshot in this forum lol.  Grin Grin Grin


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Naka gugulat ang kakayahan ng mga kabataan now lalo na if talking about Blockchain adoption , I'm sure parents nito ay crypto users that's why na impluwensyahan sya.

Wondering ano pa ang maidudulot ng batang ito (Though 2 years ago pa nya nasimulan)  sa larangan ng technology lalo na sa crypto world.

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