[Ban Appeal] bill gator

[bill gator_appeal]

I don't exactly know what the rules are around making these appeals, and as far as I can tell there isn't really much of a format to them either.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611

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Sorry bill gator, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Plagiarism ( 60 days ) + 2 years Sig Ban

I came back from a walk the other day to see that I was banned. I'm going to be honest with you guys, I can't imagine spending 2-months off this forum. With that being said, I would not attempt to ban evade and I hope that posting this thread is not mistaken as such. I will not send any PMs, post anywhere else and I don't plan on replying to this thread. I just want to lay it out there and allow the community to decide what's up. I understand that my sentence is lenient in comparison to what others are receiving, but allow me to make a case for my "innocence".

The post that was plagiarized was this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996622.msg11970365#msg11970365

Original : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996622.msg11223465#msg11223465

and from what I can tell it was a blatant case of plagiarism. Now, let me be honest with all of you: I did not post that.

bill gator is an account I bought on November 7th, 2015. The plagiarized post occurred before I was the owner of the account. The plagiarized post was done while there was nothing in the signature and nothing to gain. My best guess is that the old owner recycled some posts from their other accounts.

Prior to purchasing bill gator, or ever making an account, I had an agreement with a couple of users to post on their accounts. This is how I found out about the forum, and Bitcoin; I was a hired writer from another forum. Once I came here, I fell in love with the technology, the community and created an account. The problem became, that I named my account after someone close to me and that was something I wanted to step away from.

I ended up contacting a "reputable" account salesman, who is a legendary member that hasn't posted in a couple of years. This was before all of the denouncing of account sales, and wasn't done with any malicious intent. My inquiry to the salesman was that I wanted an account with similar potential activity to my "handmade" account, as few posts as possible, and no trust so that I could just make a clean transition to a different account without the hassle of starting over.

If that was today, I would start over at newbie, because account sales are something the community agrees against. We even used one of the most trusted uncontroversial escrows that are still active today. This wasn't a shady back-alley deal with bad intentions; reputable people were involved and the community didn't stand against it at the time.

To wrap things up, this forum is my life, sad as that sounds - I love this community, I love Bitcoin and I want to be part of it. I did not make that post, I did not have access to bill gator at that time, there was nothing to gain from the post and there was nothing in the signature at the time of that post. I am not trying to skirt responsibility in anyway, but I want you to have all of the appropriate and relevant information to make a decision regarding this particular case.

I should have done more due diligence when I purchased the account originally, but all of the posts were so bad it seemed impossible that they would be plagiarized. If this appeal is found out of my favor, then I will see you fine people in a couple months. Hopefully, you're willing to see that my intentions are genuine and the punishment is misdirected.

I am happy to privately/publicly verify any of the information I've provided with staff if that becomes a relevant contingency.

Thank you for your time, you guys are the best - even those of you that I've bumped heads with.

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[Lauda]

bill gator is an account I bought on November 7th, 2015.

I think I'm having another aTriz nightmare.

[Quickseller]

Out of curiosity, who did you buy from?

[TMAN]

Yea changed my mind I do dislike you, and to think I actually countered vods tag to help you out.

Fucking slippery prick buying an account

[LoyceV]

there was nothing to gain from the post

Account farming is what was gained from that post. It's the risk of buying an account: you buy it's entire history too.

However, in 2015 account sales weren't frowned upon as they are now.

[owlcatz]

So how did you get the sig ban already on your bill gator account? (It was showing there last night). What is this Post even for? You just told everyone you bought the account? How the fuck will that help you, window-licker?

Well at least no more reading Bill Thesaurus's fucking waste of life sig-camp posts. How much BTC have you earned here so far with your shitposts, eh "Bill" ?

[LoyceV]

You've obviously been unbanned already?

Global Mods can hand out signature bans directly, instead of permanent bans.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

bill gator is an account I bought on November 7th, 2015.

I think I'm having another aTriz nightmare.

Lol.  And I'm waiting for the troll posse to start with the "why isn't bill gator not tagged for buying his account?" posts.  As a preemptive answer, he apparently bought the account before account selling became a sin around here, and I'm definitely not going to give him a neg for it.  Nor am I going to remove him from my trust list for that or for the plagiarism, which he (the current owner) likely didn't do.

If the plagiarism in question really is the post from 2015, I do hope bill gator can successfully appeal this ban.  I think he's a good member here, even if others might not agree with some of his opinions or with my assessment of him.  I've had financial transactions with him where he's been trustworthy and personal conversations with him which have demonstrated his likeable personality.  Those are traits in short supply on bitcointalk, and I'd hate to see members like him get punished for something the previous owner of the account did.

Fucking slippery prick buying an account

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016. 

[Lauda]

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016.  

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

[LoyceV]

I'm waiting for the troll posse to start with the "why isn't bill gator not tagged for buying his account?" posts.

say what?

[suchmoon]

Honestly I'm appalled at these new appeals. It's a temp ban, sit it out or do something nice outdoors or something. You're already getting away with murder as far as forum rules are concerned.

Account purchase, while not frowned upon in 2015, is not an excuse. And I think you owe it to the community to disclose who sold you an account farmed via plagiarism.

[Quickseller]

there was nothing to gain from the post

Account farming is what was gained from that post. It's the risk of buying an account: you buy it's entire history too.

If this is going to be the standard, account sales really should be banned.

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016. 

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

I am guessing you are not going to support people tagging you for doing just this. I guess your policy is ‘rules for thee but not for me’

Or perhaps the tag is actually in response to his recent criticism of vod (and his tag against vod).

[mikhaelsky]

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016.  

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

Just look at your own posts in the beginning, you bought this account yourself.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=101872;sa=showPosts;start=880

What does lauda even mean?It means dick in Indian language.
A pajeet farmer owned that account and you bought it, LAUDA

[actisstupidname]

So how did Bill Gator get so much merits? Cock sucking?  

[Lauda]

Just look at your own posts in the beginning, you bought this account yourself.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=101872;sa=showPosts;start=880

What does lauda even mean?It means dick in Indian language.
A pajeet farmer owned that account and you bought it, LAUDA

You wish, but you won't get that one pajeet. Enjoy your tag.

So how did Bill Gator get so much merits? Cock sucking?  

Sounds about right.
Do I need to rub in that I was right about the virtue signalling?

[TMAN]

Bill was a high class shitposter, he deepthroated a thesaurus whilst shoving a dictionary up his arsehole and one finger typing shit that wasn’t needed. Originally it pissed me off in collectibles as there is no need at all for 200 word posts in an auction thread. Now it seems his excuses are as long as his fucking posts.

@pharmacist, you really believe that someone who bought an account instead of levelling up themselves in 2015 was trustworthy? It’s not hard to level up and it was a fuck ton easier back then, seeing the amount of shite bill has posted on this forum the last year I don’t believe his story as he can shitpost like the best of them so levelling up back then wouldn’t of been an issue.

[MadZ]

bill gator is an account I bought on November 7th, 2015.

I think I'm having another aTriz nightmare.

Lol.  And I'm waiting for the troll posse to start with the "why isn't bill gator not tagged for buying his account?" posts.  As a preemptive answer, he apparently bought the account before account selling became a sin around here, and I'm definitely not going to give him a neg for it.  Nor am I going to remove him from my trust list for that or for the plagiarism, which he (the current owner) likely didn't do.

If the plagiarism in question really is the post from 2015, I do hope bill gator can successfully appeal this ban.  I think he's a good member here, even if others might not agree with some of his opinions or with my assessment of him.  I've had financial transactions with him where he's been trustworthy and personal conversations with him which have demonstrated his likeable personality.  Those are traits in short supply on bitcointalk, and I'd hate to see members like him get punished for something the previous owner of the account did.

Fucking slippery prick buying an account

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016.  

The other problem is that he has gone so far out of his way to lie about it. He had every opportunity to come clean when I brought this up a few months ago.

Instead he came up with this crap:

Given the fact that Toy4lov3rs used the address a year before you did, it's pretty damning.

Toy4lov3rs is one of my clueless IRL friends. The only IRL friend I know of that has an account on the forum, in fact (unfortunately). It's a shame that I feel I have to explain this. They know nothing of Bitcoin, and next to nothing about the forum. I got them to read about a dozen stickies, on a newly created account, but I don't remember the username of that account and it's probably still a 0-post newbie. They very seldom log into their account and have no interest in the forum.

They were wanting to apply for a campaign and told me they were confused. After I explained to them that they would be denied for the quality of their posts, they proceeded to use the template I provided as an example for their actual application, which had my address on it. If memory serves, I had created that address specifically while walking them through how to create an address on Core to replace the address within the "template". You call this benign situation "damning", as if there is a valid accusation somewhere in there. When in reality all that is here is Address Mismanagement and Miscommunication while walking a friend through a process.

Rmcdermott927 and Toy4lov3rs even spoke extensively and had further interaction off the forum. I'd feel more comfortable asking them if I can elaborate on that before doing so; That shouldn't even be necessary.

Toy4lov3rs is not my account, but I did go to high school with the owner.

If I was you, I really wouldn't push the issue as to why someone wouldn't want you on DT, unless you have an extremely good reason for the facts outlined above.

I don't feel like people should be walking on egg-shells around here when they have done nothing wrong. I don't know how to make it clearer, but I do not have a care in the world about being on DT. Nor do I understand why you're making these emboldened statements. I appreciate the suggestion, but it seems you misunderstand my intention.

Didn't have the energy at the time to follow up on it, but yeah, I don't know how you can say this isn't super shady.

[OgNasty]

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016.  

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

Given your stance on Blazed, I think you're being a bit contradictory here.  I agree that buying/selling accounts is/was despicable at any point.

[mikhaelsky]

Before you guys tagged him, does any of you have a solid proof that the OP is bill gator himself?
Looks like a scandal planned by Lauda and Tman to remove people who doesn't lick their ass.A made up post.

Playing politics on an online forum, get out of your basements you fucking incel virgins.Get a life!

This post is a prime example of totalitarianism on this forum.
Reminds me of The animal farm.

[Lauda]

The other problem is that he has gone so far out of his way to lie about it. He had every opportunity to come clean when I brought this up a few months ago.

Instead he came up with this crap:
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Didn't have the energy at the time to follow up on it, but yeah, I don't know how you can say this isn't super shady.

This does not surprise me at all but I have not seen it before.

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016.  

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

Given your stance on Blazed, I think you're being a bit contradictory here.  I agree that buying/selling accounts is/was despicable at any point.

It would be very contradictory without the 'when you', yes. Blazed isn't virtue signalling, lying nor attacking non-bought members either. Pointless to bring him up given his recent activity anyways.

Yawn. Is this all that your butthurtness is capable of producing?