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May 22, 2019, 02:39:33 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2019, 07:32:57 PM by LeGaulois
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What's going on with this mixer

Am i the only one noticing that the domain has been seized?  is this known yet?[/url]

When a site is seized it's supposed to display the famous page "seized by abcd jurisdiction". However, the site is currently displaying 404 Not found. Are people worried just for maintenance (which could be just this) or there is something and the site is really seized??

Weird the site disappears, the exact same day another one is created

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The site has really been seized
http://archive.is/MymVC
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https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

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May 22, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2019, 03:08:58 PM by OmegaStarScream
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I have the same error as you. I would've said that it's an exit scam but apparently, the twitter has been suspended as well...

Did anyone notice this before today? Because the owner hasn't been active since 19th of May and the address last transaction was last made on the 18th.

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May 22, 2019, 03:03:45 PM
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However, the site is currently displaying 404 Not found.
It's really seized. Here's how it looks on my end http://archive.is/MymVC
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May 22, 2019, 03:05:19 PM
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Here on the forum but I don't remember where. I went from topics to topics and ended on the post quoted, then I visited the website and that's how I saw it.

Someone posted this link but I can't open it
https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

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the picture looks fake to me maybe I am too much used to see the usual USA pages but this one makes me think he created one in a hurry. ugly

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May 22, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
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Here on the forum but I don't remember where. I went from topics to topics and ended on the post quoted, then I visited the website and that's how I saw it.

Someone posted this link but I can't open it
https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

Here you go.

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May 22, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
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Holy crap.  I'm not familiar with Bestmixer's business at all--does anyone know what country they operated out of?  Why would their site get seized?  Mixing coins isn't a crime, right?

Ah, thank you.  So I guess there were laws in place that Bestmixer somehow violated.  I wonder if this is going to be contested and if it'll set a precedent in other countries and for other mixing services. 

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May 22, 2019, 03:28:14 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2019, 09:06:30 PM by TryNinja
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Holy crap2

I wasn’t expecting something like this. Did the guy behind it got arrested?

Holy crap.  I'm not familiar with Bestmixer's business at all--does anyone know what country they operated out of?  Why would their site get seized?  Mixing coins isn't a crime,
Probably Germany Dutch? Looks like this “FIOD” is the Dutch Anti-Fraud agency. Or maybe they had parties in “Luxembourg, France and Latvia” according to the article.

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May 22, 2019, 03:42:53 PM
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https://securingtomorrow.mcafee.com/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/crypto-currency-laundering-service-bestmixer-io-taken-down-by-law-enforcement/

I'll bet John REALLY isn't happy to have his name all over this one. He should change his spelling.

Is this the first formal seizure of a mixing service? Presumably there must have been some crimes directly linked to it.

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May 22, 2019, 03:50:26 PM
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If I remember yeah it's the first.
If bestmixer has been caught it's because how the mix is done wasn't so efficient. As proof, look today. I knew it already but it suddenly remembers me all the people claiming this and that is the best ever bla bla bla.

Look they even found how many bitcoins have been mixed and how many income they were making Cheesy

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May 22, 2019, 03:53:47 PM
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Apparently the dutch authorities now have all addresses which used the service.

Holy shieeet

You are not anonymous bruh!

Wearing my hat back.
What a cluster F*** this is thinking you were anonymously using this service just so you could stay anonymous. Undecided

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May 22, 2019, 03:53:56 PM
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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bestmixerio-service-shut-down-for-laundering-200-million-/

It looks pretty general according to that. There's no mention of specific crimes, just tracing lots of questionable addresses to them. Well, if I were running any mixer I'd be off on holiday right now.

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May 22, 2019, 04:48:47 PM
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What a cluster F*** this is thinking you were anonymously using this service just so you could stay anonymous. Undecided
I don't think we should ever assume that there is something truly anonymous here. TOR has proven to not be, and so do crypto mixers not offer you that benefit. It sucks of course, but we can't do anything about it.

BitMixer very likely felt the pressure coming from all sorts of agencies and pulled the plug right on time to avoid ending up like BestMixer. I'm glad that I sticked to ChipMixer, but this is definitely a warning signal to pay attention to.
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May 22, 2019, 05:03:09 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2019, 05:13:56 PM by AdolfinWolf
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FIOD is dutch, not german. Holy shit..

News about this is already going mainstream.

https://www.nu.nl/internet/5904180/fiod-en-om-halen-grote-witwasmachine-voor-cryptovaluta-offline.html

In the article it states they seized all servers of Bestmixer.io

...Holy crap these fucking idiots stored their servers in the open/europe...? ... Consider any transaction/mixing you ever made/did using Bestmixer.io to be revealed/deanonymized.

I guess they didn't expect to get raided.

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De dienst startte in mei 2018 en heeft sindsdien een omzet van minstens 200 miljoen dollar (179 miljoen euro) behaald.
Bestmixer generated more than 200 mil in less than a year.

I can only imagine the revenue Chipmixer is generating... They must be a pretty big target, and i am pretty sure there's probably already some sort of investigation agains them. - despite doing nothing wrong? I mean... What exactly is Bestmixer.io accused of? money laundering?


The irony by the way, -- about them claiming to be sooo anonymous..  Shocked

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May 22, 2019, 05:25:29 PM
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It is right to close these shits. These are just a den of bandits, services available to criminals.

Why should I, who am clean, be using a mix?
Why does bitcointalk continue to allow advertising of these services clearly at the service of criminals in order to collect money?

This is bad for crypto.

Anonymity is not favoring illegality.

Now ban me too, but I am convinced that like me there are hundreds of thousands of people who think what I just said.

Enough advertising of ILLEGAL services on bitcointalk is enough, just look at this page to understand how many banners there are.

And I think that even bitcointalk publicizing these services unconsciously is doing nothing but favoring these criminals.
It makes no sense to try to justify the unjustifiable, those services are RECYCLING.
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-snip-
You clearly have no idea what crypto is about.

Why don't you hang a camera in your bedroom while you're at it so the government can see you're an obedient citizen?



This is bad for crypto.
gtfo troll. privacy is a human right.

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May 22, 2019, 05:45:57 PM
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And that's why people recommend Privacy-focused cryptocurrency or CoinJoin (where you have full control over you coin and fully open-source) Roll Eyes

What a cluster F*** this is thinking you were anonymously using this service just so you could stay anonymous. Undecided

If people think they could earn "100% anonymity", then they don't really understand about anonymity. You might be anonymous today, but tomorrow government might find way to de-anonymize you.

--snip--

If all people have same thought with you, we'd experience Dystopia in the near future.

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May 22, 2019, 06:00:28 PM
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I do not pretend that everyone thinks like me, but I can assure you that I am not alone in finding these UNNECESSARY services for non-criminals. If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Looking at your profiles is obvious that you try to defend your interests. Here the privacy is really zero.

The collusion of those who take money to advertise these services is obvious. It's convenient to collect money.
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May 22, 2019, 06:22:35 PM
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It is right to close these shits. These are just a den of bandits, services available to criminals.
Why should I, who am clean, be using a mix?
Why does bitcointalk continue to allow advertising of these services clearly at the service of criminals in order to collect money?
This is bad for crypto.
Anonymity is not favoring illegality.
Now ban me too, but I am convinced that like me there are hundreds of thousands of people who think what I just said.
Enough advertising of ILLEGAL services on bitcointalk is enough, just look at this page to understand how many banners there are.
And I think that even bitcointalk publicizing these services unconsciously is doing nothing but favoring these criminals.
It makes no sense to try to justify the unjustifiable, those services are RECYCLING.
I do not pretend that everyone thinks like me, but I can assure you that I am not alone in finding these UNNECESSARY services for non-criminals. If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Daftness alone isn't enough to get banned.

Just because you assume only criminals value privacy doesn't make it anymore true.

If you never mix or otherwise obfuscate your coins everyone you do business with can glean some information about you, such is the nature of public ledger.

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May 22, 2019, 06:31:55 PM
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Here the privacy is really zero.

I'm pretty sure privacy in here isn't 0, but 0 < k < 1

If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Have you ever heard the term of "Personal space" or "Personal matter" ?

For example, imagine if you only use 1 bitcoin address and make donation to a group with specific ideology. It's not crime, but people around you will judge you and usually people don't want it happens.

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May 22, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
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Here the privacy is really zero.

I'm pretty sure privacy in here isn't 0, but 0 < k < 1

If you don't commit a crime, you have no reason to dirty your coins.

Have you ever heard the term of "Personal space" or "Personal matter" ?

For example, imagine if you only use 1 bitcoin address and make donation to a group with specific ideology. It's not crime, but people around you will judge you and usually people don't want it happens.

For an anonymous donation there is no need for mixing, it would be enough to use an anonymous coin.

That business volume, that percentage of tax to pay is only useful for illicit purposes. And I repeat, in my opinion who defends these services are two types of users: those who do business with them as the advertisements on this forum (all posts on this discussion, ALL, ALL, have a mixing service advertised), and those who use it for recycling.

My question is, is there really so need to advertise these services? Maybe the only real reason is why do they pay well?

Users who use for lawful purposes these services will be a percentage to 8 zeros, such as a Satoshi.
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