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I'm confused about the huawei, US government, Chinese government and US corporations stances towards the company.

To be honest, the Chinese government probably have a lot of control over Huawei but no more than the NSA have over microsoft, intel, google and facebook. Look at the wannacry virus and how quickly that spread to notice how the US government fund flaws in Microsoft's Windows OS.

The 5G debate is an interesting one too. I don't see why we actually need it for starters, 50mbps is fast enough for virtually everything you want to do (I travel between capital cities and my phone loads in an instant when connected to data, why chase milliseconds - the server on the other end is still going to be pretty slow)? Anyway, even if huawei do provide 5G networks to places like the UK, I still don't see how they'll get very much power... This could all just be part of the trade war between Trump and the rest of the world, spreading random fud in order to ensure the US government can remain one of the strongest economies and  be able to keep track of everyone. Can huawei really do worse than Google or have I missed something?

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May 27, 2019, 12:17:02 AM
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The real question is what isn't wrong with a company like Huawei. I'm beyond happy to see a company like Huawei removed from the US market.

Huawei, like most Chinese companies, leeches off of American companies and steal their tech -- because they are a Chinese company though they typically face zero retribution from the Chinese government, and the courts have to deal with their issues. For the record, in most other countries the country in question would protect global intellectual property (IP) but China doesn't do that, and that is one of the main things that Trump is attempting to clamp down on China for.

1. Cisco Patent Lawsuit -

 Huawei copied the source code of Cisco routers and switches to create their switches and then undercut Cisco in the market. It's pretty easy to undercut a company when you're stealing their tech, and you're able to cut out all of the research and development. It must be noted that most companies won't sue Chinese companies (like Cisco did here) because the Chinese owned national media companies will ruin you in the press. That is what was done here to Cisco, and Cisco even stated the following "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit"

2. T-Mobile Smartphone Testing Robot

Huawei yet again is stealing tech from another US company, this time they WALKED INTO T-MOBILES R&D FACILITY AND STOLE THEIR ROBOT. What they were going to do later was to reverse engineer this, and then use it on their phones so they wouldn't have to create this robot themselves. Huawei is ordered to pay 4.8m for industrial espionage.

Plus there are concerns that the Chinese government has a backdoor into their phones, and that Huawei is an agent of the Chinese government. Wouldn't be surprised if it came out that both claims are valid -- as they do seem to work alongside the government when it comes to stealing stuff from American companies (and the government protects them for it)


Check here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei - for tons more of these stories.




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May 27, 2019, 01:27:23 AM
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Huawei is not an independent entity, it is simply an arm of the Communist Chinese government. Furthermore 5G can be utilized in a plethora of ways that could undermine a nations privacy and PHYSICAL security. Essentially this conflict boils down to the fact that the USA will not tolerate the Chinese government deploying weapons systems across the world.

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Everyone should be wary of how Chinese government trying to influence a country using companies originated from their country. And the copying / stealing designs are rampant.
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May 27, 2019, 02:10:27 AM
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I have not followed the finer details of the Huawei ban but I know the main contentions of the US Government. I remember there was a huge uproar in my country (India) a few years back about the use of imported Chinese telecom gears that were being manufactured by Huawei. There were major security flashpoints which was being raised in the security corridor and the debate was widespread. Obviously, our government had to finally let in Huawei sell those products because they were massively undercutting the price being offered by other companies (Nokia, Ericsson etc) and there was a huge lobbying pressure from the telecom operators in India to let them in.
 
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May 27, 2019, 05:30:14 AM
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Huawei is not an independent entity, it is simply an arm of the Communist Chinese government. Furthermore 5G can be utilized in a plethora of ways that could undermine a nations privacy and PHYSICAL security. Essentially this conflict boils down to the fact that the USA will not tolerate the Chinese government deploying weapons systems across the world.

Going to have to agree with this, Huawei is 100% working for and cooperating with the Chinese government. They've given them immense leeway when it comes to IP violations, and they're a mega company that has given the middle finger to many large US companies. You're going to have to be in bed with the Chinese government to get away with that sort of thing (or be encouraged, for that matter)

I have not followed the finer details of the Huawei ban but I know the main contentions of the US Government. I remember there was a huge uproar in my country (India) a few years back about the use of imported Chinese telecom gears that were being manufactured by Huawei. There were major security flashpoints which was being raised in the security corridor and the debate was widespread. Obviously, our government had to finally let in Huawei sell those products because they were massively undercutting the price being offered by other companies (Nokia, Ericsson etc) and there was a huge lobbying pressure from the telecom operators in India to let them in.
 

So what you're saying is that people noticed massive security flaws in Huawei machines, but because of price everyone turned a blind eye-- that's great to hear.




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Huawei, like most Chinese companies, leeches off of American companies and steal their tech -- because they are a Chinese company though they typically face zero retribution from the Chinese government, and the courts have to deal with their issues.
It's pleasant to see at least there's someone can see Huawei's dark side. Chinese company in general and Huawei in particular have long history of stealing technologies from tech giants of which they once were processing contractors. In Huawei's case, they not only stole Cisco or T-Mobile's but also stole Samsung's OLED or foldable screen technologies.

See a bigger picture, Huawei is one of the reasons in Trump's strategies to target China, besides imposing import tariff to Chinese goods and services or vetting trading partners for currency manipulation.

Whether you like it or not, China has become a United States' political threat on White House's global leader role. You can find out more on this in the following articles: China is replacing the US in a new global order, whether the world likes it or not, Will China Replace the US Global Role? or Is China challenging the United States for global leadership?. Clearly with all these Huawei's massive ban combining with import taxes, Trump wants to show Xi Jinping who really is the world's leader.

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So what you're saying is that people noticed massive security flaws in Huawei machines, but because of price everyone turned a blind eye-- that's great to hear.

I don't remember the exact details of what was being written and debated in the media in those days. Though, on a quick search I found these articles which can be enlightening.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/relax-huawei-technologies-is-no-threat-to-india-s-national-security-coai-118121701124_1.html

If you read this articles, we will find contrasting views among the various agencies and regulatory bodies. Telecom Equipment and Services Export Promotion Council (TEPC) wants Huawei and ZTE banned because of security reasons but at the same time Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) wants to welcome and appreciate Huawei. It is simple economics. COAI (the telecom operators) want their costs to be minimal in a race for profit and they have huge lobbying budgets and are ridden with debt at this point (courtesy launch of Reliance Jio). They need Huawei to supply cheap gear if they are to roll out 5G.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2016/business/india-slaps-anti-dumping-duty-on-telecom-gear-from-huawei-zte.html
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Huawei is and wants to build 5G networks across the globe. Given it is essentially a business branch of the Chinese government, there are concerns about the risk this would create to security should there be some issue in the future. Also concerns about privacy of individuals - since we know how China rolls with privacy on things like the Social Credit system.

So Western countries are just a bit anxious to put their communication systems in the hand of a company with these connections. You could also imagine that in the future there could be a whole range of ways that 5G could be used that we don't even necessarily know about yet.

It is definitely a good idea to not trust Huawei - even if they 'might' be ok.
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I'm confused about the huawei, US government, Chinese government and US corporations stances towards the company.

To be honest, the Chinese government probably have a lot of control over Huawei but no more than the NSA have over microsoft, intel, google and facebook. Look at the wannacry virus and how quickly that spread to notice how the US government fund flaws in Microsoft's Windows OS.

The 5G debate is an interesting one too. I don't see why we actually need it for starters, 50mbps is fast enough for virtually everything you want to do (I travel between capital cities and my phone loads in an instant when connected to data, why chase milliseconds - the server on the other end is still going to be pretty slow)? Anyway, even if huawei do provide 5G networks to places like the UK, I still don't see how they'll get very much power... This could all just be part of the trade war between Trump and the rest of the world, spreading random fud in order to ensure the US government can remain one of the strongest economies and  be able to keep track of everyone. Can huawei really do worse than Google or have I missed something?

the suspicion around huawei is legit, the problem is that the americans created a habit of state control and abuse of the local tax paying corporations,

google also would have given the usa user data, around the chinese population searches.

huawei has to emanzipate itself examplatory from its government as one of the first chinese company if it wants to be popular worldwide.

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So what you're saying is that people noticed massive security flaws in Huawei machines, but because of price everyone turned a blind eye-- that's great to hear.

I don't remember the exact details of what was being written and debated in the media in those days. Though, on a quick search I found these articles which can be enlightening.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/relax-huawei-technologies-is-no-threat-to-india-s-national-security-coai-118121701124_1.html

If you read this articles, we will find contrasting views among the various agencies and regulatory bodies. Telecom Equipment and Services Export Promotion Council (TEPC) wants Huawei and ZTE banned because of security reasons but at the same time Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) wants to welcome and appreciate Huawei. It is simple economics. COAI (the telecom operators) want their costs to be minimal in a race for profit and they have huge lobbying budgets and are ridden with debt at this point (courtesy launch of Reliance Jio). They need Huawei to supply cheap gear if they are to roll out 5G.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2016/business/india-slaps-anti-dumping-duty-on-telecom-gear-from-huawei-zte.html

Ooh, thanks for this. I'll have to read this at some point.

Not surprised to see contrasting views, as the government is obviously going to want them banned for security concerns + there is probably pressure from the US to ban them in favor of US carries such as Cisco. Though the companies in question (that are India's telecom industry) want Huawei because their products are so cheap.

It's a mixture of profit and security which is going to be fun to read about.




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So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.




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Nothing is wrong with Huawei Smiley
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
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So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

While I will show some skepticism to say that yes, maybe this is a power move by the US to flex their dominance over the tech market -- but I cant see it as something like that personally, because these Chinese companies have simply ripped off American tech companies and have used their tech to undercut them. They should be punished for that, as it's not fair in the least to the companies in America.

Calling the US dumb isn't bright at all, China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US could simply divert their factories to other Asian countries, China could be left in the dust like this. There are many other countries in Asia that would love to have this lucrative business.

Huawei must be reigned down upon, they're not a good company in the least. They STEAL FROM OTHER COMPANIES AND RIF PEOPLE OFF.

Nothing is wrong with Huawei Smiley
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.




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May 27, 2019, 05:50:39 PM
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I'm confused about the huawei, US government, Chinese government and US corporations stances towards the company.

To be honest, the Chinese government probably have a lot of control over Huawei but no more than the NSA have over microsoft, intel, google and facebook. Look at the wannacry virus and how quickly that spread to notice how the US government fund flaws in Microsoft's Windows OS.

The 5G debate is an interesting one too. I don't see why we actually need it for starters, 50mbps is fast enough for virtually everything you want to do (I travel between capital cities and my phone loads in an instant when connected to data, why chase milliseconds - the server on the other end is still going to be pretty slow)? Anyway, even if huawei do provide 5G networks to places like the UK, I still don't see how they'll get very much power... This could all just be part of the trade war between Trump and the rest of the world, spreading random fud in order to ensure the US government can remain one of the strongest economies and  be able to keep track of everyone. Can huawei really do worse than Google or have I missed something?

I think that huawei is just the victim of the US- Chinese government trade war.
It is one of the biggest (or not the biggest) chinese company which makes exports to the US, so Trump decided to give a hit to China through Huawei. I believe that Huawei will find their way to get out of this without much damage.

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I think this is just part of the war that the US and China have, trade war. Huawei is one of the best and known brands of phones and they even made laptops that some people say is surprisingly amazing. After this, some say that Huawei can still continue on their own, not only because of the 90-day exemption until August but because of Huawei said that they stock hardware for 3 months. But even that, it is said That some of the hardware and software are from US, and if Huawei will be on their own, that will be hard since people will not be able to use apps that they are not used to. Just imagine a phone without facebook, google, and play store, not even Netflix and Amazon.
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May 28, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
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I don’t think anything is wrong with Huawei, it’s just a trade war which will be beneficial for Huawei in a long run. They have made their own os system and will help them elevate their market share.
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I don’t think anything is wrong with Huawei, it’s just a trade war which will be beneficial for Huawei in a long run. They have made their own os system and will help them elevate their market share.
None os will ever be compatable with android.
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May 28, 2019, 06:09:32 PM
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So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.



Nothing is wrong with Huawei Smiley
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.


I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.



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May 28, 2019, 06:18:14 PM
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So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.



Nothing is wrong with Huawei Smiley
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.


I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.


the americans are going the same way the british went in europe,

the british became the sick man of europe and had an uncompetitive industry, while germany outcompeted everyone.

imagine amerians have to use iphones instead of huawei

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