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May 29, 2019, 03:11:29 PM
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So Bitcoin was meant to be a decentralized network for trading, but today as an Iranian when I tried to submit my ad in the LAST international Bitcoin trading marketplace that left my people unbanned until now (i.e. localbitcoins) I got this error:

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Localbitcoins, based in Finland, located in the EU which is still a part of the JCPOA and has officially stated no trading sanctions against Iran, was the last hope of our community to have international trades.

My hope is to spread my word around the world to at least show not everything is as it seems like in the media. The EU constantly supports the deal in words and pretends to be the impartial knight of the universe. The way for them to prove themselves is to at least lift this ban and show that they're truly independent of US's policies.
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May 29, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
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Try Bisq, that's impossible to ban anywhere.
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May 29, 2019, 05:45:07 PM
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Try Bisq, that's impossible to ban anywhere.
Yes, but it would take months to gather around all the people again. Both Bisq and Hodlhodl could replace localbitcoins but they're still empty of ads in my country.
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May 29, 2019, 08:07:34 PM
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I'm sorry to hear this. Didn't know it's gone hard for Iran like this. So you can't trade your bitcoins there for fiat? What were you trying to trade it for?

Quite frankly haven't used such services. I'll no longer take it for granted being able to cash out my bitcoins directly at the bank.  Sad

As for the EU being "impartial knight" they've always had their own interests, it just happens that those interests align with the US. See them quickly turn around and do a backstab the moment they can.
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May 29, 2019, 08:38:19 PM
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Didn't know it's gone hard for Iran like this.
One of the main issues I'm facing with currently as an EE student and hobbyist is not just losing our currency's value, but not being able to buy the things that I can already afford! For example, if I needed an IC for a project, I would need to order that from someone who is going to travel overseas and pay for that many times more than the item actually costs to bring that for me in person. Imagine even having DHL you in their ban list.

As for the EU being "impartial knight" they've always had their own interests, it just happens that those interests align with the US. See them quickly turn around and do a backstab the moment they can.

At least what media suggests is that Finland is the most "righteous" country in the world, which is actually not wrong, to be honest (I've lived in Helsinki for several years). But it's very disappointing to see such behavior happen in that country. If they (not just the EU, whole JPCOA) don't stand against the US (read Trump) right now there'll be some time each one of them would be a target for the next sanctions, just like China's Huawei now.
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May 29, 2019, 09:22:12 PM
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So Bitcoin was meant to be a decentralized network for trading, but today as an Iranian when I tried to submit my ad in the LAST international Bitcoin trading marketplace that left my people unbanned until now (i.e. localbitcoins) I got this error:



Localbitcoins, based in Finland, located in the EU which is still a part of the JCPOA and has officially stated no trading sanctions against Iran, was the last hope of our community to have international trades.

My hope is to spread my word around the world to at least show not everything is as it seems like in the media. The EU constantly supports the deal in words and pretends to be the impartial knight of the universe. The way for them to prove themselves is to at least lift this ban and show that they're truly independent of US's policies.


bitcoin is declining?

jes it is not popular. usage for the technology has to be found.

a big problem is lack of cross border trust.

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May 30, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
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Try Bisq, that's impossible to ban anywhere.
Yes, but it would take months to gather around all the people again. Both Bisq and Hodlhodl could replace localbitcoins but they're still empty of ads in my country.

True, this is one of the big problems with decentralized services right now. There's no real liquidity on them. The only P2P exchanges that have liqiduity are going to be LBC and Paxful -- though they're most likely at the whim of US and EU regulators so they're not going to try to sacrifice their business to get some BTC into Iran (and violate sanctions)

The only real way to skirt them is through decentralized service, btc atms, and earning money in btc. Though just remember that you are skirting sanctions and most likely violating international and Iranian law.




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May 30, 2019, 01:42:05 PM
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Didn't know it's gone hard for Iran like this.
One of the main issues I'm facing with currently as an EE student and hobbyist is not just losing our currency's value, but not being able to buy the things that I can already afford! For example, if I needed an IC for a project, I would need to order that from someone who is going to travel overseas and pay for that many times more than the item actually costs to bring that for me in person. Imagine even having DHL you in their ban list.
I'm not into electronics but IC as in integrated circuit? You have to buy even that from abroad?! Isn't that like a very basic part?  Shocked

I suppose even crypto can't help when you can't get the goods in in the first place. Googled DHL, so that means they only do local deliveries there in Iran?

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May 30, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
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Though just remember that you are skirting sanctions and most likely violating international and Iranian law.

There are no international laws against trading with Iran and Iranians, and Bitcoin ban is also lifted in Iran. So there's nothing against law in what I'm doing.

I'm not into electronics but IC as in integrated circuit? You have to buy even that from abroad?! Isn't that like a very basic part?  Shocked

I suppose even crypto can't help when you can't get the goods in in the first place. Googled DHL, so that means they only do local deliveries there in Iran?
There are both general purpose ICs which could be found inside the country for real cheap (even maybe cheaper than in AliExpress, because some of the merchants import the goods first and then the value of the currency decreases and they still have to sell them in the former exchange rate to just get rid of them) and the other ICs that are not that common which as I said need to be ordered from overseas.
And this is only one simple example, effects of the sanctions could be seen in many fields. medical instruments, transportations especially aircraft, etc.
DHL doesn't do any operations in Iran anymore, we have the national post for local deliveries and for international ones I don't have any idea how is that possible.
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May 31, 2019, 01:30:21 AM
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We don't want terrorists on this forum.

I agree. Islamic countries and countries with 'stan' on it should be banned from cryptocurrencies.
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May 31, 2019, 07:56:52 AM
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We don't want terrorists on this forum.

I agree. Islamic countries and countries with 'stan' on it should be banned from cryptocurrencies.

shut up,

completely disagree, especially islamic countries should understand cryptocurrencies.

but the economy is currently still to corrupt.

it might stay for 100 or even more years till crypto becomes a real deal.

it would need a sith lord to introduce it globally.

bitcoin is only damaging to people and to environment and only starts a competitive race

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May 31, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
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I don't know why people are blaming bitcoin for the decisions of centralized entities. It really is pointless and stupid. If you get a ban somewhere it has nothing to do with bitcoin. You should be blaming the platform that banned you, which TOS you had to accept to begin trading/advertising. They have to register and comply with local laws and we can't expect them to remain decentralized in a centralized world.

bitcoin is only damaging to people and to environment

You are either high or trolling. On a second thought, you could be both.

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May 31, 2019, 08:48:20 AM
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We don't want terrorists on this forum.

Should be ban anybody associated with Washington or the City of London then?

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You are either high or trolling. On a second thought, you could be both.

ok then explain me why a currency should be based on a race of installing pointless computation power?

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May 31, 2019, 09:06:55 AM
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We don't want terrorists on this forum.

Should be ban anybody associated with Washington or the City of London then?

who isn't a terroist?

effectively all capitalists are terroists if not whole world would suffer from cryptocurrency spam eternally

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You are either high or trolling. On a second thought, you could be both.

ok then explain me why a currency should be based on a race of installing pointless computation power?

I know answering with a question might be rude, but why does a sr. member with 6000 posts (3 times more than me) want me to explain the basics of cryptocurrency?
How can computation power be pointless if it enables us to transact? Do you know how much power bank mainframes used to consume? Many banks still depend on them instead of switching to more efficient servers.

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May 31, 2019, 11:46:30 AM
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Bitcoin is Decentralized. Fiat is not. Then you should not use/exchange Fiat. If you want to use fiat learn to be anonymous.

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May 31, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
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Though just remember that you are skirting sanctions and most likely violating international and Iranian law.

There are no international laws against trading with Iran and Iranians, and Bitcoin ban is also lifted in Iran. So there's nothing against law in what I'm doing.

I'm not into electronics but IC as in integrated circuit? You have to buy even that from abroad?! Isn't that like a very basic part?  Shocked

I suppose even crypto can't help when you can't get the goods in in the first place. Googled DHL, so that means they only do local deliveries there in Iran?
There are both general purpose ICs which could be found inside the country for real cheap (even maybe cheaper than in AliExpress, because some of the merchants import the goods first and then the value of the currency decreases and they still have to sell them in the former exchange rate to just get rid of them) and the other ICs that are not that common which as I said need to be ordered from overseas.
And this is only one simple example, effects of the sanctions could be seen in many fields. medical instruments, transportations especially aircraft, etc.
DHL doesn't do any operations in Iran anymore, we have the national post for local deliveries and for international ones I don't have any idea how is that possible.

There are international SANCTIONS against trading with Iran, right now right? Obviously, this would only come into play if you were to deal with someone outside of Iran when doing this deal.

I just want to make it clear that you MAY be violating international sanctions if you were to involve an EU/US bank, or an EU/US person in this trade.




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There are international SANCTIONS against trading with Iran, right now right? Obviously, this would only come into play if you were to deal with someone outside of Iran when doing this deal.

I just want to make it clear that you MAY be violating international sanctions if you were to involve an EU/US bank, or an EU/US person in this trade.

Nope, there are no "international" sanctions against Iran. "Most UN sanctions were lifted 16 January 2016, following the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action".
The remaining sanctions are only some related to human rights and some other related to military programs, which do not affect ordinary trades. The only reason that EU banks do not want to get involved with us is Trump's sanctions and the risk of getting banned by the US. Before Trump, our banks were a part of the SWIFT network and had no problem.
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You are either high or trolling. On a second thought, you could be both.

ok then explain me why a currency should be based on a race of installing pointless computation power?

I know answering with a question might be rude, but why does a sr. member with 6000 posts (3 times more than me) want me to explain the basics of cryptocurrency?
How can computation power be pointless if it enables us to transact? Do you know how much power bank mainframes used to consume? Many banks still depend on them instead of switching to more efficient servers.

i explain you because there is no point, bitcoin is effectivly similar like the euro bill but there is a race to zertify it as much as possible

in truth there is a limitation, so no one needs to certify more anymore.

bitcoin's growth will start annyoing whole world.

bitcoins is powered on the logic how central banks and nation state banking cartels work

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