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July 11, 2019, 01:06:21 PM
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With the email forgeries discovered / proven, faketoshi lawyers are forced to remove their "pieces of evidence"

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1149036783025500160


Wow that's heavy !!

Basically, some IT forensics expert that was assigned by the court just found out two PDFs of emails, that were presented as "Evidence" by Craig's laywers, turned out to be forged.


(Source : https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1148999581373534208)

He edited both PDFs a few minutes from each other.
The PDF metadata also recorded the "+10" setting, which is the timezone for Sydney, where CSW stays.

As much as I despise the character, will he go to jail or rather pay a huge fine ?
It is really not OK to lie to courts and the world like that.



"Wright’s mother had told me about her son’s long-standing habit of adding bits on to the truth, just to make it bigger.

I'm sure CSW was involved with BTC around 2012. However he's not Satoshi Nakamoto.
I wonder where does CSW's version of the story starts to have lies blended in it.

The maximum penalty is 7 years and/or a fine.

... after court found who really forged what ..

good luck

The documents have been submitted by Craig/his lawyers. The ball is now in his court. Claiming the documents were altered by some hacker (while he claimed that the documents were stored in his basement for years) isn't going to hold. Especially since he has zero evidence to back up his claims.

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July 11, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
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I would be terribly surprised if Craig doesn't end up in jail.

He should end up there but as we know you can oftentimes buy yourself out of jail with monopoly money. He managed to wrangle himself out of a jail sentence the last time but I think he needs some time away to reflect on all the damage he's doing. Lying for your own ego is one thing but when you try throw other innocent people under the bus just to save yourself is where. I mean the guy will literally stand up and lie in court and lie by claiming people are  child pornographers if it would help his case.

Ira's lawyers have dissected Craig's forged e-mails: https://t.co/OX8jjvyCq9

He is so fucked....

I hope they have some more cards up their sleeve. CW needs to be exposed fully exposed for the fraud that he is.


If he loses he will be hailed as a hero and it will be blamed on a conspiracy against Satoshi and bitcoin.

If he doesn't lose it will be hailed as a clear victory over tyranny. (In my opinion it will also be a miracle)




Who is going to call him a hero? Most people don't like him other than BSV fanboys and most can see through his bullshit. His deception may fool those that don't look close enough but once it's pout under the magnifying glass his evidence is soon exposed for what it is.

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July 11, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
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Who is going to call him a hero? Most people don't like him other than BSV fanboys and most can see through his bullshit. His deception may fool those that don't look close enough but once it's pout under the magnifying glass his evidence is soon exposed for what it is.

Well, according to Google News, Coingeek is a legitimate source of news... (vomit emoji). The news serves 2 purposes:

- attempting to sweep up and convert a few of those who are attracted by the hubbub and genuinely don't know any better
- reinforcing the beliefs of BSVites and reinvigorating their cult with some positive propaganda

BSVism is looking more and more like a cult with each passing day. They are having to block out more and more of the world around them in order to continue staying firm in their belief that Craig is Satoshi. Eventually the house of cards will collapse, but it may hold out for a while. Even Scientology still has members.

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July 11, 2019, 02:26:51 PM
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Eventually the house of cards will collapse, but it may hold out for a while. Even Scientology still has members.
Cognitive dissonance and first-mover bias will keep that idea of "CSW is satoshi, all other proof is insubstantial".

As we all know, denial steers its roots into an issue of right and wrong.

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July 11, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
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This one is also worth confronting him with. He will have to admit that:

A) He was been lying in court.
B) He has been lying about early mining, weakening his whole Satoshi story.

https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1149222125359837189?s=19

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July 11, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
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Cognitive dissonance and first-mover bias will keep that idea of "CSW is satoshi, all other proof is insubstantial".

As we all know, denial steers its roots into an issue of right and wrong.

Yup. Those with that mind set are now fully dug in and not going anywhere. From now on every fact, alternative or otherwise, will be an 'attack' and even if Craigy himself pulls out his little sausage and yanks on it while shrieking it was all a lie they'll believe someone got to him. It now has a life all of its own.

It'll eventually fade away like everything else and they can swap their unusual ideas in private.

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If he loses he will be hailed as a hero and it will be blamed on a conspiracy against Satoshi and bitcoin.

If he doesn't lose it will be hailed as a clear victory over tyranny. (In my opinion it will also be a miracle)




Who is going to call him a hero? Most people don't like him other than BSV fanboys and most can see through his bullshit. His deception may fool those that don't look close enough but once it's pout under the magnifying glass his evidence is soon exposed for what it is.

It was sarcasm. To the BSV fanbois he cannot do wrong.

I don't see an escape route for him. If he is found to be in contempt of court he could be facing severe penalties and Ira will either get a home run or the ability to walk the home run without much opposition.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/public-order-obstruction/contempt-of-court/

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If he loses he will be hailed as a hero and it will be blamed on a conspiracy against Satoshi and bitcoin.

If he doesn't lose it will be hailed as a clear victory over tyranny. (In my opinion it will also be a miracle)




Who is going to call him a hero? Most people don't like him other than BSV fanboys and most can see through his bullshit. His deception may fool those that don't look close enough but once it's pout under the magnifying glass his evidence is soon exposed for what it is.

It was sarcasm. To the BSV fanbois he cannot do wrong.

I don't see an escape route for him. If he is found to be in contempt of court he could be facing severe penalties and Ira will either get a home run or the ability to walk the home run without much opposition.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/public-order-obstruction/contempt-of-court/
Im really not clear, what Ira actually gets from this case, since BTC agreements look like they didnt really happen, and/or, there was some kind of agreement (that Craig has completely embellished), but no-private keys anymore.....??
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July 12, 2019, 12:50:27 PM
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With the email forgeries discovered / proven, faketoshi lawyers are forced to remove their "pieces of evidence"

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1149036783025500160


Wow that's heavy !!

Basically, some IT forensics expert that was assigned by the court just found out two PDFs of emails, that were presented as "Evidence" by Craig's laywers, turned out to be forged.


(Source : https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1148999581373534208)

He edited both PDFs a few minutes from each other.
The PDF metadata also recorded the "+10" setting, which is the timezone for Sydney, where CSW stays.

As much as I despise the character, will he go to jail or rather pay a huge fine ?
It is really not OK to lie to courts and the world like that.



"Wright’s mother had told me about her son’s long-standing habit of adding bits on to the truth, just to make it bigger.

I'm sure CSW was involved with BTC around 2012. However he's not Satoshi Nakamoto.
I wonder where does CSW's version of the story starts to have lies blended in it.

The maximum penalty is 7 years and/or a fine.

... after court found who really forged what ..

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Im really not clear, what Ira actually gets from this case, since BTC agreements look like they didnt really happen, and/or, there was some kind of agreement (that Craig has completely embellished), but no-private keys anymore.....??


The reason they are likely to entertain that CSW is Satoshi is that the size of the judgement is likely to be based on how much bitcoin Satoshi is thought to own.

CSW himself is giving evidence that he is Satoshi. It is not something that the prosecution has to prove. It is in their financial benefit to accept it as "the truth" rather than expose it as a lie.

It is clear that Dave had some sort of business partnership agreement with Craig.

My understanding is that it is likely that Dave was used as the fall guy for the $54 million AUD in tax incentives via AusIndustry .

In the Australian Tax office case they claimed to own a number of bitcoin addresses that they most likely didn't own.

By selectively proving some things are lies and not challenging other lies it is likely that a financial judgement will be sucessfull.

https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html
https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/05/kleiman-v-craig-wright-part-2.html
https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/07/kleiman-v-craig-wright-part-3.html

There is some irony that any judgement will be probably higher because Wright inflated his own wealth.

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Im really not clear, what Ira actually gets from this case, since BTC agreements look like they didnt really happen, and/or, there was some kind of agreement (that Craig has completely embellished), but no-private keys anymore.....??


The reason they are likely to entertain that CSW is Satoshi is that the size of the judgement is likely to be based on how much bitcoin Satoshi is thought to own.

CSW himself is giving evidence that he is Satoshi. It is not something that the prosecution has to prove. It is in their financial benefit to accept it as "the truth" rather than expose it as a lie.

It is clear that Dave had some sort of business partnership agreement with Craig.

My understanding is that it is likely that Dave was used as the fall guy for the $54 million AUD in tax incentives via AusIndustry .

In the Australian Tax office case they claimed to own a number of bitcoin addresses that they most likely didn't own.

By selectively proving some things are lies and not challenging other lies it is likely that a financial judgement will be sucessfull.

https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html
https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/05/kleiman-v-craig-wright-part-2.html
https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/07/kleiman-v-craig-wright-part-3.html

There is some irony that any judgement will be probably higher because Wright inflated his own wealth.

The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....
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The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....

For the purpose of discussion lets assume that a large judgement is made against Craig: This in my opinion is likely to be the scenario:

The court is not interested in what he can control or owns now. It is interested in the amount he allegedly stole from Dave.

The value of the judgement is likely to be based on the bitcoins Satoshi owned - since Craig claims to be Satoshi

If he is caught lying about assets he owns or owned then he will not be discharged from bankruptcy.

If it is proven that the trusts or companies were funded by fraud or part of the fraud then the trusts and companies will become able to be seized.

If a judgement is made in favor of Ira then Craig will have to hand over control of all the assets and companies that he owns and controls.

It means that company documents and trust documents come under the control of a liquidator.

The irony of a large judgement is that he would have to prove he never owned certain assets to avoid having to pay for owning them. That would trigger other legal issues.

Since some of it may not exist - there is a predicament in itself. How do you prove that something that you claimed existed - doesn't exist.

If he decides later to say he lied and is not Satoshi then it means he perjured himself in court, lied on copyright applications and possibly on patent applications too.

It also could mean that he obtained public speaking fees by deception. It also could mean that he publicly called some very wealthy people liars by threatening to sue them for libel.

It will be substantially different from the ATO situation which affected some of his companies. A judgement in this case will be against him personally but will also affect any funds that may have flowed from him personally to companies or trusts.

Revelations in this case could also trigger further consequences with the ATO.

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Looks like he's screwed finally with no way to extricate himself out of the trouble he has brought onto himself, unless there're some tricks he can pull off, delays/time wasting, perhaps (?), but that's still delaying the inevitable.

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The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....

For the purpose of discussion lets assume that a large judgement is made against Craig: This in my opinion is likely to be the scenario:

The court is not interested in what he can control or owns now. It is interested in the amount he allegedly stole from Dave.

The value of the judgement is likely to be based on the bitcoins Satoshi owned - since Craig claims to be Satoshi

If he is caught lying about assets he owns or owned then he will not be discharged from bankruptcy.

If it is proven that the trusts or companies were funded by fraud or part of the fraud then the trusts and companies will become able to be seized.

If a judgement is made in favor of Ira then Craig will have to hand over control of all the assets and companies that he owns and controls.

It means that company documents and trust documents come under the control of a liquidator.

The irony of a large judgement is that he would have to prove he never owned certain assets to avoid having to pay for owning them. That would trigger other legal issues.

Since some of it may not exist - there is a predicament in itself. How do you prove that something that you claimed existed - doesn't exist.

If he decides later to say he lied and is not Satoshi then it means he perjured himself in court, lied on copyright applications and possibly on patent applications too.

It also could mean that he obtained public speaking fees by deception. It also could mean that he publicly called some very wealthy people liars by threatening to sue them for libel.

It will be substantially different from the ATO situation which affected some of his companies. A judgement in this case will be against him personally but will also affect any funds that may have flowed from him personally to companies or trusts.

Revelations in this case could also trigger further consequences with the ATO.


Yep screwed, when you put it like that. I wonder how strong that relationship/agreement is, with Calvin Ayre......

 
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The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....

For the purpose of discussion lets assume that a large judgement is made against Craig: This in my opinion is likely to be the scenario:

The court is not interested in what he can control or owns now. It is interested in the amount he allegedly stole from Dave.

The value of the judgement is likely to be based on the bitcoins Satoshi owned - since Craig claims to be Satoshi

If he is caught lying about assets he owns or owned then he will not be discharged from bankruptcy.

If it is proven that the trusts or companies were funded by fraud or part of the fraud then the trusts and companies will become able to be seized.

If a judgement is made in favor of Ira then Craig will have to hand over control of all the assets and companies that he owns and controls.

It means that company documents and trust documents come under the control of a liquidator.

The irony of a large judgement is that he would have to prove he never owned certain assets to avoid having to pay for owning them. That would trigger other legal issues.

Since some of it may not exist - there is a predicament in itself. How do you prove that something that you claimed existed - doesn't exist.

If he decides later to say he lied and is not Satoshi then it means he perjured himself in court, lied on copyright applications and possibly on patent applications too.

It also could mean that he obtained public speaking fees by deception. It also could mean that he publicly called some very wealthy people liars by threatening to sue them for libel.

It will be substantially different from the ATO situation which affected some of his companies. A judgement in this case will be against him personally but will also affect any funds that may have flowed from him personally to companies or trusts.

Revelations in this case could also trigger further consequences with the ATO.


Yep screwed, when you put it like that. I wonder how strong that relationship/agreement is, with Calvin Ayre......

 

U guys getting closer. But i d rather ask how strong the relationship is between CSW and original Bitcoin.

With little more own intellectual PoW it is doable

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Eventually the house of cards will collapse, but it may hold out for a while. Even Scientology still has members.
Cognitive dissonance and first-mover bias will keep that idea of "CSW is satoshi, all other proof is insubstantial".

As we all know, denial steers its roots into an issue of right and wrong.

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The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....

For the purpose of discussion lets assume that a large judgement is made against Craig: This in my opinion is likely to be the scenario:

The court is not interested in what he can control or owns now. It is interested in the amount he allegedly stole from Dave.

The value of the judgement is likely to be based on the bitcoins Satoshi owned - since Craig claims to be Satoshi

If he is caught lying about assets he owns or owned then he will not be discharged from bankruptcy.

If it is proven that the trusts or companies were funded by fraud or part of the fraud then the trusts and companies will become able to be seized.

If a judgement is made in favor of Ira then Craig will have to hand over control of all the assets and companies that he owns and controls.

It means that company documents and trust documents come under the control of a liquidator.

The irony of a large judgement is that he would have to prove he never owned certain assets to avoid having to pay for owning them. That would trigger other legal issues.

Since some of it may not exist - there is a predicament in itself. How do you prove that something that you claimed existed - doesn't exist.

If he decides later to say he lied and is not Satoshi then it means he perjured himself in court, lied on copyright applications and possibly on patent applications too.

It also could mean that he obtained public speaking fees by deception. It also could mean that he publicly called some very wealthy people liars by threatening to sue them for libel.

It will be substantially different from the ATO situation which affected some of his companies. A judgement in this case will be against him personally but will also affect any funds that may have flowed from him personally to companies or trusts.

Revelations in this case could also trigger further consequences with the ATO.


Yep screwed, when you put it like that. I wonder how strong that relationship/agreement is, with Calvin Ayre......

 

U guys getting closer. But i d rather ask how strong the relationship is between CSW and original Bitcoin.

There is no relation between CSW and Bitcoin. He didn't do shit. He's not Satoshi and didn't code anything. He didn't mine it early either.
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The irony, for me, would be if Craig is ordered to pay an amount based on a fabricated agreement, that he actually created. Funny.

But again, if a financial settlement is reached in favour of Ira, the amounts seem so large ($ or BTC), Craig aint paying, so.....

For the purpose of discussion lets assume that a large judgement is made against Craig: This in my opinion is likely to be the scenario:

The court is not interested in what he can control or owns now. It is interested in the amount he allegedly stole from Dave.

The value of the judgement is likely to be based on the bitcoins Satoshi owned - since Craig claims to be Satoshi

If he is caught lying about assets he owns or owned then he will not be discharged from bankruptcy.

If it is proven that the trusts or companies were funded by fraud or part of the fraud then the trusts and companies will become able to be seized.

If a judgement is made in favor of Ira then Craig will have to hand over control of all the assets and companies that he owns and controls.

It means that company documents and trust documents come under the control of a liquidator.

The irony of a large judgement is that he would have to prove he never owned certain assets to avoid having to pay for owning them. That would trigger other legal issues.

Since some of it may not exist - there is a predicament in itself. How do you prove that something that you claimed existed - doesn't exist.

If he decides later to say he lied and is not Satoshi then it means he perjured himself in court, lied on copyright applications and possibly on patent applications too.

It also could mean that he obtained public speaking fees by deception. It also could mean that he publicly called some very wealthy people liars by threatening to sue them for libel.

It will be substantially different from the ATO situation which affected some of his companies. A judgement in this case will be against him personally but will also affect any funds that may have flowed from him personally to companies or trusts.

Revelations in this case could also trigger further consequences with the ATO.


Yep screwed, when you put it like that. I wonder how strong that relationship/agreement is, with Calvin Ayre......

 

U guys getting closer. But i d rather ask how strong the relationship is between CSW and original Bitcoin.

There is no relation between CSW and Bitcoin. He didn't do shit. He's not Satoshi and didn't code anything. He didn't mine it early either.

Tutut triggered. Lol

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