Did we actually really land on moon?

[af_newbie]

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.

Just go to the Temple of Hathor in Egypt. Or look at pictures on the Internet - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Temple+of+Hathor&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images. Notice inside the Temple, the pillars have capitals made of 4 faces, one to each of 4 sides of the capital. Notice the Egyptian headdress on these faces.

These pillars are simply attempted remakes by much later primitive Egyptians, of the real pillars from beyond 10,000 years ago. The original pillars weren't pillars at all. They were rockets. And the sides of the headdresses were the rocket engines - at the tops of the pillars/rockets, rather than the bottoms like we do it.

Notice that in the Temple, the capitals are holding up the sky (the ceiling) of the temple. This shows us that the ancient peoples of way back then had regular rocket flight.

We have been to the moon. NASA and the governments of the world are trying to turn the moon landings into fake stuff. They are doing it because they found the artifacts of the ancient moon landings from around 14,000 years ago. And if they let it out that people had that kind of technology way back then, it would inspire all kinds of people to break loose from their government enslavement, and head for space and beyond.

So we just gotta keep the idea of fake moon landings alive so that we don't become free, right.

 

So now you think Earth is older than 7,000 years? 

You are a Christian heretic.

Actually, both the Septuagint, and the writings of Josephus which he took from even more ancient Hebrew Scriptures, show that the earth is about 7,500 years old since creation.

Our Bibles are almost 100% taken from the Masoretic texts from about 1000 years ago. And the Masoretes, themselves, say in their writings that they weren't quite sure about what they were doing. This is where we get the 6000 years from... the Masoretic text. See https://arizonaorthodox.com/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/, if you are at all interested.

Since you are not even focused on attempting to find God, you are way worse than any heretic.

I suggest you take a trip around the world, LOL.

http://www.oldest.org/culture/archaeological-sites/#targetText=G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20is%20over%2011%2C000,of%20the%20world's%20oldest%20temple.

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[BADecker]

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.

Just go to the Temple of Hathor in Egypt. Or look at pictures on the Internet - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Temple+of+Hathor&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images. Notice inside the Temple, the pillars have capitals made of 4 faces, one to each of 4 sides of the capital. Notice the Egyptian headdress on these faces.

These pillars are simply attempted remakes by much later primitive Egyptians, of the real pillars from beyond 10,000 years ago. The original pillars weren't pillars at all. They were rockets. And the sides of the headdresses were the rocket engines - at the tops of the pillars/rockets, rather than the bottoms like we do it.

Notice that in the Temple, the capitals are holding up the sky (the ceiling) of the temple. This shows us that the ancient peoples of way back then had regular rocket flight.

We have been to the moon. NASA and the governments of the world are trying to turn the moon landings into fake stuff. They are doing it because they found the artifacts of the ancient moon landings from around 14,000 years ago. And if they let it out that people had that kind of technology way back then, it would inspire all kinds of people to break loose from their government enslavement, and head for space and beyond.

So we just gotta keep the idea of fake moon landings alive so that we don't become free, right.

 

So now you think Earth is older than 7,000 years? 

You are a Christian heretic.

Actually, both the Septuagint, and the writings of Josephus which he took from even more ancient Hebrew Scriptures, show that the earth is about 7,500 years old since creation.

Our Bibles are almost 100% taken from the Masoretic texts from about 1000 years ago. And the Masoretes, themselves, say in their writings that they weren't quite sure about what they were doing. This is where we get the 6000 years from... the Masoretic text. See https://arizonaorthodox.com/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/, if you are at all interested.

Since you are not even focused on attempting to find God, you are way worse than any heretic.

I suggest you take a trip around the world, LOL.

http://www.oldest.org/culture/archaeological-sites/#targetText=G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20is%20over%2011%2C000,of%20the%20world's%20oldest%20temple.

Thanks for the suggestion. But your silly link is simply some glossed-over generalities.

Look into Göbekli Tepe alone to find that the simple hunter gatherer idea is stupid. We have hunter gatherers today. But the site at Göbekli Tepe from about 12,000 years ago, is only about 1/50th excavated, and couldn't have been made by simple, ignorant hunter gatherers. All kinds math and quarrying techniques show that there was science around way back then, some of it equaling our own.

[Rikafip]

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.

Just go to the Temple of Hathor in Egypt. Or look at pictures on the Internet - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Temple+of+Hathor&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images. Notice inside the Temple, the pillars have capitals made of 4 faces, one to each of 4 sides of the capital. Notice the Egyptian headdress on these faces.

These pillars are simply attempted remakes by much later primitive Egyptians, of the real pillars from beyond 10,000 years ago. The original pillars weren't pillars at all. They were rockets. And the sides of the headdresses were the rocket engines - at the tops of the pillars/rockets, rather than the bottoms like we do it.

Notice that in the Temple, the capitals are holding up the sky (the ceiling) of the temple. This shows us that the ancient peoples of way back then had regular rocket flight.

We have been to the moon. NASA and the governments of the world are trying to turn the moon landings into fake stuff. They are doing it because they found the artifacts of the ancient moon landings from around 14,000 years ago. And if they let it out that people had that kind of technology way back then, it would inspire all kinds of people to break loose from their government enslavement, and head for space and beyond.

So we just gotta keep the idea of fake moon landings alive so that we don't become free, right.

 

So now you think Earth is older than 7,000 years?  

You are a Christian heretic.

Actually, both the Septuagint, and the writings of Josephus which he took from even more ancient Hebrew Scriptures, show that the earth is about 7,500 years old since creation.

Our Bibles are almost 100% taken from the Masoretic texts from about 1000 years ago. And the Masoretes, themselves, say in their writings that they weren't quite sure about what they were doing. This is where we get the 6000 years from... the Masoretic text. See https://arizonaorthodox.com/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/, if you are at all interested.

Since you are not even focused on attempting to find God, you are way worse than any heretic.

I suggest you take a trip around the world, LOL.

http://www.oldest.org/culture/archaeological-sites/#targetText=G%C3%B6bekli%20Tepe%20is%20over%2011%2C000,of%20the%20world's%20oldest%20temple.

Thanks for the suggestion. But your silly link is simply some glossed-over generalities.

Look into Göbekli Tepe alone to find that the simple hunter gatherer idea is stupid. We have hunter gatherers today. But the site at Göbekli Tepe from about 12,000 years ago, is only about 1/50th excavated, and couldn't have been made by simple, ignorant hunter gatherers. All kinds math and quarrying techniques show that there was science around way back then, some of it equaling our own.

If we don't know who build something, and how, then we shouldn't  hastily bring more uncertainties into the subject, by giving some explanations without single proof.

I don't say that you are doing that in this Göbekli Tepe case, but we could see that kind of behaviour in that silly Ancient Aliens series, where they simply explained everything they don't know by "aliens". Things should be questioned ofc, but for example, archeologists work hard for decades to uncover the truth, work on the site, and then some self-thaught " expert" comes and solves the mistery without ever leaving his parents basement.

[BADecker]

Thanks for the suggestion. But your silly link is simply some glossed-over generalities.

Look into Göbekli Tepe alone to find that the simple hunter gatherer idea is stupid. We have hunter gatherers today. But the site at Göbekli Tepe from about 12,000 years ago, is only about 1/50th excavated, and couldn't have been made by simple, ignorant hunter gatherers. All kinds math and quarrying techniques show that there was science around way back then, some of it equaling our own.

If we don't know who build something, and how, then we shouldn't  hastily bring more uncertainties into the subject, by giving some explanations without single proof.

I don't say that you are doing that in this Göbekli Tepe case, but we could see that kind of behaviour in that silly Ancient Aliens series, where they simply explained everything they don't know by "aliens". Things should be questioned ofc, but for example, archeologists work hard for decades to uncover the truth, work on the site, and then some self-thaught " expert" comes and solves the mistery without ever leaving his parents basement.

Three points about Göbekli Tepe:
1. Research;
2. Age;
3. Sophistication.

1. Nobody should take my word for it. However I have been checking it out for some time now. But, Göbekli Tepe is all over the Net; anybody can check it out. What exists there is agreed on by the scientific community. What isn't agreed on is how it got there.

2. Personally I don't agree with carbon dating accuracy. While there are lots of times that it is accurate, there are lots of times it isn't. That being said, the general scientific community says Göbekli Tepe is as old as 11,500 years or so, and older. And this is with only about 2% of the site being excavated so far.

3. The sophistication of the parts of Göbekli Tepe that have been excavated show that simple hunter gatherers couldn't have built it. Check into it. The technology in Göbekli Tepe shows an advanced civilization. Like Egypt and other ancient nations, the moving of stone blocks of the size in Göbekli Tepe, and the sophistication of aligning them to the stars, shows advanced math and engineering that doesn't fit hunter gatherer simple civilization. Today we would have trouble moving some of the stones. So, how could primitive peoples have done it more than 11,500 years ago?

Ignore the ancient technology and engineering if you want, but there is something there that doesn't fit with the general prehistoric stuff that standard science has been preaching for the last 100 years.



EDIT: The Ancient Aliens series, and others, are sensationalism designed to make money off the ignorance of people.

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.....

Nobody landed on the moon prior to Apollo.

The only footprints on the moon are from the Apollo astronauts.

We have photographed and digitized the entire moon, everything down to the size of a football.

Any such marks would be clearly visible.

Hey! Thanks for playing.

A standard football is about 11 inches long, and about 7 inches thick at its center - https://www.sportsrec.com/6560043/what-is-the-official-size-of-the-nfl-football. This means that you could easily stick a football in a 12 inch by 12 inch square foot area on the floor.

There's 27,878,400 square feet in a square mile (5280*5280). This means you could easily get 27,878,400 footballs in a square mile.

There are about 14,600,000 square miles of surface area on the moon - https://www.space.com/18135-how-big-is-the-moon.html. I'll let you do the math to figure out how many footballs could fit on the completely mapped surface of the moon.

The point is, you checked out each one of those footballs? (No, but NASA has... LOL.)



EDIT: Son-of-a-gun, Spendy. You've been getting kinda goofy lately. Lose your job and started drinking?

[Spendulus]

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.....

Nobody landed on the moon prior to Apollo.

The only footprints on the moon are from the Apollo astronauts.

We have photographed and digitized the entire moon, everything down to the size of a football.

Any such marks would be clearly visible.

Hey! Thanks for playing.

A standard football is about 11 inches long, and about 7 inches thick at its center - https://www.sportsrec.com/6560043/what-is-the-official-size-of-the-nfl-football. This means that you could easily stick a football in a 12 inch by 12 inch square foot area on the floor.

There's 27,878,400 square feet in a square mile (5280*5280). This means you could easily get 27,878,400 footballs in a square mile.

There are about 14,600,000 square miles of surface area on the moon - https://www.space.com/18135-how-big-is-the-moon.html. I'll let you do the math to figure out how many footballs could fit on the completely mapped surface of the moon.

The point is, you checked out each one of those footballs? (No, but NASA has... LOL.)

...

No, NASA has not checked each pixel. But the entire data base is public, and you can. If you want to prove up your wild, ridiculous assertion...that's for YOU TO DO.

[BADecker]

^^^ Really!


Actually, ancient prehistoric peoples of earth landed on the moon thousands of years ago. Some people think that the moon landing was a conspiracy, but an even bigger conspiracy is that 10,000 years ago people were simple hunter gatherers. Ten thousand years ago, the technology of earth was far ahead of ours.....

Nobody landed on the moon prior to Apollo.

The only footprints on the moon are from the Apollo astronauts.

We have photographed and digitized the entire moon, everything down to the size of a football.

Any such marks would be clearly visible.

Hey! Thanks for playing.

A standard football is about 11 inches long, and about 7 inches thick at its center - https://www.sportsrec.com/6560043/what-is-the-official-size-of-the-nfl-football. This means that you could easily stick a football in a 12 inch by 12 inch square foot area on the floor.

There's 27,878,400 square feet in a square mile (5280*5280). This means you could easily get 27,878,400 footballs in a square mile.

There are about 14,600,000 square miles of surface area on the moon - https://www.space.com/18135-how-big-is-the-moon.html. I'll let you do the math to figure out how many footballs could fit on the completely mapped surface of the moon.

The point is, you checked out each one of those footballs? (No, but NASA has... LOL.)

...

No, NASA has not checked each pixel. But the entire data base is public, and you can. If you want to prove up your wild, ridiculous assertion...that's for YOU TO DO.

You haven't figured it out, yet, have you? Gobekli Tepe, 14,000 to 11,500 years in the past. How much of the moon base would be showing after meteoric bombardment? After all, the 4 inches of moon dust equals only about 10,000 years at current rates. And nobody knows that rates were steady over the last 10,000 years. There are books about near planet collisions of Mars, Earth and Venus, based on trajectories of their current orbits.

The temple of Hathor is only a depiction of late stupid Egypt, of the glory of the ancestors they knew about from thousands of years before.

Come on out of your shell, and stop being part of a conspiracy that wants to suggest that we know everything. Wake up to what is real.

[Spendulus]

.... the 4 inches of moon dust equals only about 10,000 years at current rates.

And nobody knows that rates were steady over the last 10,000 years.

Dust accumulation for 10,000 years might be a millimeter.

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There are books about near planet collisions of Mars, Earth and Venus, based on trajectories of their current orbits.

This is physically impossible.

[BADecker]

.... the 4 inches of moon dust equals only about 10,000 years at current rates.

And nobody knows that rates were steady over the last 10,000 years.

Dust accumulation for 10,000 years might be a millimeter.

Okay. I'll play a little.

Dust accumulation for 10,000 years might be a mile.

...

There are books about near planet collisions of Mars, Earth and Venus, based on trajectories of their current orbits.

This is physically impossible.

Past collisions between Earth Venus Mars - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=past+collisions+between+earth+venus+mars&t=hr&ia=web - shows that there are a number of people who don't agree with you. So, what makes your evaluation so special?

[bkbirge]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

[Spendulus]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

I'm not buying that. There are several sources of dust on the lunar surface (A) monthly static creating "dust fountains" which go up and down, no net dust gain
(B) dust drifting in from space, causing microscopic craters when it hits
(C) dust clouds from new asteroid impacts

In the short run, anything like a solar collector would be a victim of "static cling", (A). But that equilibrates, and there is no net gain.

In the long run, (B) and (C) are the creators of new dust, and the primary cause of its accumulation.

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

That's garbage. It's trying to argue that in a couple billion years, such things could happen. But it totally ignores the major event happening in the solar system over that time frame which affects the planets's orbits. That is the gradual expansion of the sun into a red giant.

From this process, when solar flux to the Earth increases about 10%, most life or all life here will cease. That's about a billion years off.

But as the sun expands, planets are swallowed up. Planets within the sphere of a red giant star are part of the star. They are no longer planets as we think of them.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4031.pdf

[BADecker]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

I'm not buying that. There are several sources of dust on the lunar surface (A) monthly static creating "dust fountains" which go up and down, no net dust gain
(B) dust drifting in from space, causing microscopic craters when it hits
(C) dust clouds from new asteroid impacts

In the short run, anything like a solar collector would be a victim of "static cling", (A). But that equilibrates, and there is no net gain.

In the long run, (B) and (C) are the creators of new dust, and the primary cause of its accumulation.

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

That's garbage. It's trying to argue that in a couple billion years, such things could happen. But it totally ignores the major event happening in the solar system over that time frame which affects the planets's orbits. That is the gradual expansion of the sun into a red giant.

From this process, when solar flux to the Earth increases about 10%, most life or all life here will cease. That's about a billion years off.

But as the sun expands, planets are swallowed up. Planets within the sphere of a red giant star are part of the star. They are no longer planets as we think of them.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4031.pdf

Oh, puh-leaze. Standard archaeological science has so many holes in it that it's more hollow than the moon full of caverns might be.

Electric plasma stars shows us a universe that is way more logical than nuclear stars.

Gobekli Tepe shows us that science was well developed back in the time that science says we only had ignorant hunter-gatherers... 14,000 to 11,500 years ago.

All this BS about suns expanding and swallowing planets is just a story. Nobody has been around long enough to watch it happen on a regular enough basis, so that we can know that it is the norm.

A billion years into the future? LOL. We don't know that a billion years into the past even happened. The whole space-time continuum math and physics has changed into the past, that we don't know how far back we can apply the math or physics of today with even reasonable accuracy.

All this garbage in textbooks about the distant past is completely unknown to be factual. It all exists so that some scientists can gain control over the feeble minds of average people who really couldn't care less. And they have you suckered in right among them.

The moon landings were engineering way more than they were science.

[Spendulus]

Electric plasma stars...

Gobekli Tepe .......

Tepe was just an early strip joint.

[af_newbie]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

I'm not buying that. There are several sources of dust on the lunar surface (A) monthly static creating "dust fountains" which go up and down, no net dust gain
(B) dust drifting in from space, causing microscopic craters when it hits
(C) dust clouds from new asteroid impacts

In the short run, anything like a solar collector would be a victim of "static cling", (A). But that equilibrates, and there is no net gain.

In the long run, (B) and (C) are the creators of new dust, and the primary cause of its accumulation.

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

That's garbage. It's trying to argue that in a couple billion years, such things could happen. But it totally ignores the major event happening in the solar system over that time frame which affects the planets's orbits. That is the gradual expansion of the sun into a red giant.

From this process, when solar flux to the Earth increases about 10%, most life or all life here will cease. That's about a billion years off.

But as the sun expands, planets are swallowed up. Planets within the sphere of a red giant star are part of the star. They are no longer planets as we think of them.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4031.pdf

Oh, puh-leaze. Standard archaeological science has so many holes in it that it's more hollow than the moon full of caverns might be.

Electric plasma stars shows us a universe that is way more logical than nuclear stars.

Gobekli Tepe shows us that science was well developed back in the time that science says we only had ignorant hunter-gatherers... 14,000 to 11,500 years ago.

All this BS about suns expanding and swallowing planets is just a story. Nobody has been around long enough to watch it happen on a regular enough basis, so that we can know that it is the norm.

A billion years into the future? LOL. We don't know that a billion years into the past even happened. The whole space-time continuum math and physics has changed into the past, that we don't know how far back we can apply the math or physics of today with even reasonable accuracy.

All this garbage in textbooks about the distant past is completely unknown to be factual. It all exists so that some scientists can gain control over the feeble minds of average people who really couldn't care less. And they have you suckered in right among them.

The moon landings were engineering way more than they were science.

I think the problem for guys like you is that you have no way of determining what is true and what is bullshit.  You have no reliable epistemic tools in the toolbox between your eyes.

You will continue to believe any ad-hoc theories and conspiracies of the day. 

- vaccines causing autism
- flat Earth
- young Earth
- Moon landing hoax
- flat Earth
- religious myths (in your case Jewish Zombie myth)
- ghosts
- life after death
- demons and angels
- hell and heaven
- any other supernatural BS
- UFOs
- Luminati
- Jews controlling everything
- the government wants to poison everyone
- chemtrails
- evolution hoax
- homeotherapy
- astrology
- US 'state citizens' are not US citizens

etc, etc.

The list goes on...

[bkbirge]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

I'm not buying that. There are several sources of dust on the lunar surface (A) monthly static creating "dust fountains" which go up and down, no net dust gain
(B) dust drifting in from space, causing microscopic craters when it hits
(C) dust clouds from new asteroid impacts

In the short run, anything like a solar collector would be a victim of "static cling", (A). But that equilibrates, and there is no net gain.

In the long run, (B) and (C) are the creators of new dust, and the primary cause of its accumulation.

My understanding is they account for A but I haven't read their paper.

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

That's garbage. It's trying to argue that in a couple billion years, such things could happen. But it totally ignores the major event happening in the solar system over that time frame which affects the planets's orbits. That is the gradual expansion of the sun into a red giant.

From this process, when solar flux to the Earth increases about 10%, most life or all life here will cease. That's about a billion years off.

But as the sun expands, planets are swallowed up. Planets within the sphere of a red giant star are part of the star. They are no longer planets as we think of them.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4031.pdf

I think that falls firmly under the "outside the bounds of the model".

[Spendulus]

Dust accumulation over 10,000 years is a millimeter?  What.

1000 years. 10 times faster than was previously thought.
https://www.space.com/23694-moon-dust-mystery-apollo-data.html

I'm not buying that. There are several sources of dust on the lunar surface (A) monthly static creating "dust fountains" which go up and down, no net dust gain
(B) dust drifting in from space, causing microscopic craters when it hits
(C) dust clouds from new asteroid impacts

In the short run, anything like a solar collector would be a victim of "static cling", (A). But that equilibrates, and there is no net gain.

In the long run, (B) and (C) are the creators of new dust, and the primary cause of its accumulation.

My understanding is they account for A but I haven't read their paper.

And the simulated chances of Earth colliding with other planets...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/06/10/what-are-the-chances-that-earth-will-collide-with-mars-mercury-or-venus/

That's garbage. It's trying to argue that in a couple billion years, such things could happen. But it totally ignores the major event happening in the solar system over that time frame which affects the planets's orbits. That is the gradual expansion of the sun into a red giant.

From this process, when solar flux to the Earth increases about 10%, most life or all life here will cease. That's about a billion years off.

But as the sun expands, planets are swallowed up. Planets within the sphere of a red giant star are part of the star. They are no longer planets as we think of them.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.4031.pdf

I think that falls firmly under the "outside the bounds of the model".

Apparently. But the time frames are overlapping, so in reality, it cannot be ignored.

[BADecker]

Oh, puh-leaze. Standard archaeological science has so many holes in it that it's more hollow than the moon full of caverns might be.

Electric plasma stars shows us a universe that is way more logical than nuclear stars.

Gobekli Tepe shows us that science was well developed back in the time that science says we only had ignorant hunter-gatherers... 14,000 to 11,500 years ago.

All this BS about suns expanding and swallowing planets is just a story. Nobody has been around long enough to watch it happen on a regular enough basis, so that we can know that it is the norm.

A billion years into the future? LOL. We don't know that a billion years into the past even happened. The whole space-time continuum math and physics has changed into the past, that we don't know how far back we can apply the math or physics of today with even reasonable accuracy.

All this garbage in textbooks about the distant past is completely unknown to be factual. It all exists so that some scientists can gain control over the feeble minds of average people who really couldn't care less. And they have you suckered in right among them.

The moon landings were engineering way more than they were science.

I think the problem for guys like you is that you have no way of determining what is true and what is bullshit.  You have no reliable epistemic tools in the toolbox between your eyes.

You will continue to believe any ad-hoc theories and conspiracies of the day. 

- vaccines causing autism
- flat Earth
- young Earth
- Moon landing hoax
- flat Earth
- religious myths (in your case Jewish Zombie myth)
- ghosts
- life after death
- demons and angels
- hell and heaven
- any other supernatural BS
- UFOs
- Luminati
- Jews controlling everything
- the government wants to poison everyone
- chemtrails
- evolution hoax
- homeotherapy
- astrology
- US 'state citizens' are not US citizens

etc, etc.

The list goes on...

You are completely ignoring the message of the Matrix movie. They got you where they want you. And they even let you enjoy it.

[Spendulus]

RE: DID "WE" actually land on the Moon?

Depends on who your "WE" is.

For example, if your "WE" is "ignorant, lazy slobbering idiots" then no, your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" is LBGT etc then your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" is Muslim or Hindu your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" was hard working, Judeo-Christian, US Citizens mostly Air Force, then your "WE" sure did land on the Moon. Although one of the Christians that landed on the moon turned atheist later.

And if your "WE" is all humanity, with all it's imperfections and issues, then your "WE" landed on the Moon.

Cheers!

PS: Maybe time to redefine your "WE"?

[Rikafip]

Alexei Leonov, Soviet cosmonaut and first person ever that did EVA( spacewalk) back in 1965 described this ridiculous conspiracy theory in this short interview .

One sentence from Leonov  sums it up perfectly

''This is ignorance.People who say this are completely ignorant and no nothing about technology.''


As i said earlier, if there was any doubt, Soviets would debunk this long time ago. But those involved, albeit on the opposite side, simply know the truth.

[BADecker]

RE: DID "WE" actually land on the Moon?

Depends on who your "WE" is.

For example, if your "WE" is "ignorant, lazy slobbering idiots" then no, your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" is LBGT etc then your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" is Muslim or Hindu your "WE" did not land on the Moon.

If your "WE" was hard working, Judeo-Christian, US Citizens mostly Air Force, then your "WE" sure did land on the Moon. Although one of the Christians that landed on the moon turned atheist later.

And if your "WE" is all humanity, with all it's imperfections and issues, then your "WE" landed on the Moon.

Cheers!

PS: Maybe time to redefine your "WE"?

I have a friend who is 85. He doesn't remember ever landing on the moon. But he knows we went there.

Alexei Leonov, Soviet cosmonaut and first person ever that did EVA( spacewalk) back in 1965 described this ridiculous conspiracy theory in this short interview .

One sentence from Leonov  sums it up perfectly

''This is ignorance.People who say this are completely ignorant and no nothing about technology.''


As i said earlier, if there was any doubt, Soviets would debunk this long time ago. But those involved, albeit on the opposite side, simply know the truth.

Right. The soviets didn't debunk this because they were covertly owned by the United States.

[Rikafip]

Alexei Leonov, Soviet cosmonaut and first person ever that did EVA( spacewalk) back in 1965 described this ridiculous conspiracy theory in this short interview .

One sentence from Leonov  sums it up perfectly

''This is ignorance.People who say this are completely ignorant and no nothing about technology.''


As i said earlier, if there was any doubt, Soviets would debunk this long time ago. But those involved, albeit on the opposite side, simply know the truth.

Right. The soviets didn't debunk this because they were covertly owned by the United States.

How laconic and convenient. If you don't have any good answer, just make  another conspiracy theory.