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June 07, 2019, 07:13:42 AM
Last edit: June 07, 2019, 07:52:00 AM by thd26bct
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I saw a topic, in which poster (troller) edited Subject title to do their trollings. After that, users whom don't pay attention to title of post they quoted, they unintentionally spread the trolling title around.
It is obviously that Subject titles are not topic titles, but when Subject titles edited by trollers, it will make topics look more messy, and users might miscommunicated the real topic titles, especially newbies. I have never edit Subject title when I leave a post inside topic, and I guess most of you too; but why we easily open such rights for trollers.

I suggest to disable rights of edit topic titles, and only allows editable rights on topic title for OPs.
It is not a big issue, but if there is solution, it's good. Or forum can give another feature for self-moderated threads, such as "Disable right to edit Subject when reply/ quote"

For example:
There is a topic: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
What if with my reply inside that topic, I change the title from: "Re: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ"
to "Re: Official list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ"
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June 07, 2019, 07:32:49 AM
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It doesn't change the actual title of the topic/thread... it only changes the "subject" of that particular post.

So other users will still see the original topic title when they're browsing the board. Granted if someone then "quotes" the post with the *modified* title, they inherit that modified title... but is it really a big issue? Huh

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June 07, 2019, 07:37:47 AM
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It doesn't change the actual title of the topic/thread... it only changes the "subject" of that particular post.

So other users will still see the original topic title when they're browsing the board. Granted if someone then "quotes" the post with the *modified* title, they inherit that modified title... but is it really a big issue? Huh
I understood that others can see real topic title, but if they simply click "Quote" to reply, the topic will become messy with different title inside. It is not a big issue, but if there is solution, it's good. Or forum can give another feature for self-moderated threads, such as "Disable right to edit Subject when reply/ quote"
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June 07, 2019, 07:42:02 AM
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If users can't edit the post title, there would be no reason left to show the title on each post.
I barely use it, but I don't think it should be changed.

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June 07, 2019, 07:43:57 AM
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If users can't edit the post title, there would be no reason left to show the title on each post.
I barely use it, but I don't think it should be changed.
Yes, because we nearly don't use it, mostly trollers edit topic titles. I still think there should be an option to allow or disallow it. There are mosly no reasons  why users should edit Subjects of their posts, IMO.
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June 07, 2019, 07:45:14 AM
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Therefore, I suggest to disable rights of edit topic titles, and only allows editable rights on topic title for OPs.
Nobody can edit topic titles but only the OP.

If you want to prevent people changing the title of the topic in their comment, then you'll have to disable their account from making any comment.

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June 07, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
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Nobody can edit topic titles but only the OP.

If you want to prevent people changing the title of the topic in their comment, then you'll have to disable their account from making any comment.
I corrected a bit, it should be Subject titles, not Topic titles. Did you notice that I also unintentionally quoted and spred the Subject title from HCP's post:
Re: This is only the title for my post.  Here Grin
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June 07, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
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At first it was confusing but I later got used to it. That some tolls are misusing it doesn't mean it should be disabled. You just have to be more cautious when reading replies so you don't get misguided. The feature is useful when starting a new subtitle under an existing topic (jet cash make use of that option alot).

It's also useful for signature campaign managers when announcing an open slot and some users even make use of it to summarize their replies or correct OP tilte's grammatical errors. So I don't support your suggestion to disable.

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June 07, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
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At first it was confusing but I later got used to it. That some tolls are misusing it doesn't mean it should be disabled. You just have to be more cautious when reading replies so you don't get misguided. The feature is useful when starting a new subtitle under an existing topic (jet cash make use of that option alot).

It's also useful for signature campaign managers when announcing an open slot and some users even make use of it to summarize their replies or correct OP tilte grammatical errors. So I don't support your suggestion to disable.
You misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested to disable it for users whom are not OP creators. Honestly, I still don't think reasons to edit Subject title for users whom are not OPs. I believe none of us want to see such a mess.

It is not a big issue, but if there is solution, it's good. Or forum can give another feature for self-moderated threads, such as "Disable right to edit Subject when reply/ quote"
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June 07, 2019, 08:14:58 AM
Last edit: June 07, 2019, 10:35:02 AM by wwzsocki
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It is true that this feature is rarely used. Personally, I have used it only a couple of times during all these years here.

TBH I haven't seen any abuse yet, but I can agree that this feature could be used by trolls for their own needs.

If I'm wrong and there are many examples where members abuse this feature, it might be better to reduce it if possible?

If hardly used function is misused or abused, it's better to turn it off if possible, I assume.

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June 07, 2019, 08:21:32 AM
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You misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested to disable it for users whom are not OP creators. Honestly, I still don't think reasons to edit Subject title for users whom are not OPs. I believe none of us want to see such a mess.

I didn't but although some of my usefulness listed above are OP based that why you got confused.
Like I said the feature can be used to correct OP tilte's grammatical errors, summarize your reply or reply to a particular aspect of the OP and can also be used to start a new topic under topic in discussion . All this can be done by none OP so disabling the ability will prevent this.

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June 07, 2019, 08:24:37 AM
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Honestly, I don't see reasons to edit or correct topic title as new subject title of post inside topic. It's only a responsibility of OP.

I don't offend you, but let imagine something like this scenario:
You created a Service thread, let's assume this Service thread title is "CryptopreneurBrainBoss Bounty Manager". Then a troller come to your thread, and edit Subject title to "CryptopreneurShitBoss Bounty Manager". What do you think? I don't think you will feel comfortable with such a mess.
Self-moderated threads can give OPs rights to delete spam posts, but what if some of wrong Subject-tittled posts are good ones, and you don't want to delete them. It costs time to ask users edit their Subject titles to correct ones. OPs can not ask for help from time to time.
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I use this quite a lot, and I think it is really useful, and I wish more people would use the option. If you use it to search large threads, you can cut out a lot of the useless or spammy replies.

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June 07, 2019, 08:55:31 AM
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I like the idea to just make subject titles editable for the OP creators only to make it uniform but I guess there are lot of use on editing the subject title even when you're not the OP, as CryptopreneurBrainboss just said that there are instances that managers can specify on the subject what he wants deliver like slots/rank needed on the campaign. Furthermore, I guess it will be helpful for those who reply on that thread if they have some suggestions or trying to implicate onto someone or on some ideas. And if you see someone that only do trolling on the subject title "Ignore" and "Report to moderator" options are just right there you know.

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I have seen users getting confused with these Subject titles in ANNs of signature campaigns. What happens is if there is a spot open the campaign manager usually edits his Subject title announcing a 1 SPOT OPEN followed by a new post in the thread with the newly edited subject title.
Those who apply start quoting that new post and applying to the campaign. Once the spot is taken, the campaign manager changes his OP subject but the quoted posts are still being re-quoted going around with the 1 SPOT OPEN title. Since many users only read the last post or couple of posts they keep on applying even though the campaign is full.

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I'm a bit confused here. Is the thread about thread titles that appear in the index? Only mods and the OP can edit those as far as I know. Or is it about the subject text for a post within the thread? I believe those can only be edited by the poster and mods, and can't be edited by the OP. The issue of headings in quotes brings the issue of the misuse of quotes to the fore again. Isn't it time that lazy posters, and those with reduced creativity stopped the misuse of quotes, and realised that most of the members here are intelligent, and have the ability to remember posts for a couple of minutes.

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I think a good middle ground would be to automatically make all quotes within an OP mirror the OP title, and still allow anyone to edit it. This way people can still choose to edit it, but they will not be unknowingly repeating edited titles.

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June 07, 2019, 10:37:04 AM
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I'm a bit confused here.

The thread is about what you just did with the RE: title. OP is trying to say the ability to do what you just did should be disabled as some trolls are using it to mislead other readers by convincing them to think their subtitle is actually the title of the topic in discussion meanwhile the actual topic is something totally different. He used the list of unofficial Bitcointalk rules as an example saying it can be edited to list of Official Bitcointalk rules to decieve readers.

What OP is trying to say is users which aren't owner of the topic shouldn't have ability to edit title when replying.

Lol knew you were a fan of using this feature
The feature is useful when starting a new subtitle under an existing topic (jet cash make use of that option alot).

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June 07, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
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I'm a bit confused here. Is the thread about thread titles that appear in the index?... Or is it about the subject text for a post within the thread? I believe those can only be edited by the poster and mods, and can't be edited by the OP...

If I understand correctly  "about the subject text for a post within the thread", those which can only be edited by the poster and mods, because this makes a way for trolls to abuse the title and OP can't do nothing, only report to moderators.

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June 07, 2019, 11:34:35 AM
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OP could add an image to avoid the confusion.





I actually never noticed that it is editable until I saw this thread. I am in favor of having that "reply to subject" part locked.

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June 12, 2019, 03:02:00 AM
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Personally I don't find this to be a big deal, just a bit awareness from readers would be enough.

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June 12, 2019, 08:06:32 AM
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Editing the subject link could be abused to spread malware or phishing links.
A bunch of scammers could decide to spread a malicious link that way.

I will use Jet Cash's name here just as an example because he likes this option of editing the subject line and his name is well known on the forum.

Jet Cash creates a new thread talking about old mining hardware and rigs.
Scammers share the following Subject line as you can see in my example.

This is just from the top of my head, edit and modify if with whatever content you want. Somebody could fall for it.

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June 13, 2019, 10:54:28 AM
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Pmalek, I know that user can put links into topic title or subject title, but I guess that it does not lead to other sites. I guess (I could be wrong) that it only leads to that post, if someone click on the subject title, because it is only link of that post, no matter whatever contents inside subject title. If links to other sites actually work, you are right and it is a serious problem for lazy guys.
Confirmed: links don't work (as you see, I edited subject title with https://coinmarketcap.com. Clicking on subject title does not lead to that site)
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June 14, 2019, 08:43:32 AM
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@thd26bct
OK, that is good. At least clicking on the subject title will not direct you to an outside source, I like that. Thanks for checking.
It is still possible to add an external link but to get to the site you would have to copy/paste it into your browser manually. A small risk is still there but it is not as serious as I initially thought.   

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June 14, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
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It is still possible to add an external link but to get to the site you would have to copy/paste it into your browser manually. A small risk is still there but it is not as serious as I initially thought.   
Yes, it is not too serious because dangerous links can not directly trap users by clicking on subject titles. Nevertheless, there are still potential shady behaviours from bad guys to change subject titles for their own interests, such as FUDs, or trolls. I know that there are good usages like what @Jet Cash usually does and mentioned in previous posts. Generally, I still think it should be disabled. Subject titles should only be edited by OPs, and after each changes, all subject titles inside one topic should be changed automatically to newest one. It makes more sense for bounty topics. When campaigns end, all subject titles (not only the OP and last one) in the bounty topics should be displayed with [FIN] or whatever abbreviation managers use to announce campaigns actually end.
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