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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.
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Just to add this is not the first time I have come across a scam Mining company trying to have a STO/ICO.

Years ago (2016?) Bonanza was being sold on C-CEX by "Rouge Mountain Mining Group​".

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AYwsdxbUHqQJ:lostdutchman-mine.com/ico+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz&client=safari
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The physical addresses mentioned on Blue Hills website as found by member GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368):

SWITZERLAND
Haupstrasse 71
9113 Degersheim

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hauptstrasse+71,+9113+Degersheim,+Su%C3%AD%C3%A7a/@47.3733102,9.1976267,3a,75y,136.95h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5s7qmMyEr5TqO9jP6Virng!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D5s7qmMyEr5TqO9jP6Virng%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D136.95372%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x479addbe7428b0f7:0xd984f6c8cdccbaaf!8m2!3d47.3732631!4d9.1977112

GERMANY
Loewen-Koester Strasse 6
D-44534 Lünen

https://www.google.com/maps/place/L%C3%B6wen-K%C3%B6ster-Stra%C3%9Fe+6,+44534+L%C3%BCnen,+Alemanha/@51.6266816,7.5270322,80m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b90fc22eb14621:0x23676a9396c76492!8m2!3d51.62667!4d7.52735

So I wouldn't be using this as home base.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO
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Just going to connect some more names to the Mize Network Scam.

Mize Network is run by Adrian Jacuzzi, and already classified by behindmlm as a scam.

Kaleem Ahmed and Lee O’Shea are also implicated with this Blue Hill Mining Token.

They are behind the Americans serving Americans scam. Other names associated with this are Charles Scoville and William Bryant.

https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

I am yet to see the associated names having a direct link to the Blue Hill Ming Token scam, however, have included these names for future reference.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf

Do you realise that video link you provided collaborates the link between BlueHills Mining\Foundation, the Mize Network and POWERMINE, a known scam?
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.

Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Once again I implore you to READ the whitepaper before spreading fud
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June 09, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....

Have you even seen the quality of the video let alone the distance that "speaker" was standing to the camera. Anyways I haven't invested so no loss.

But just to recap you are happy investing in a project that is:

Related to known scam projects. Have no idea what your jurisdiction classifies as a security, otherwise you wouldn't of posted that I don't know what I was talking about. Believes a high profile man as Dr Kurt Becker would waste his time on Bitcointalk to sell his project and top of that have very minimal video views. On that note,  there were only a few present, with such a large project and STO one would expect many people in attendance. Also not having financial prospectus that the financial body would accept wouldn't be something you would risk? Oh, and a large STO joining a brand-new network like Mize that is unproven....yes it all sounds very real solid project here, nothing suspicious...pffft.

Don't get me started on who has the license to mine in Mongolia in this area. You realise that it is public. I know you would have look it up before investing, correct? I did. Do you due diligence.

I also provided you the real contact details for Dr Kurt Becker so if you are unsure you could contact him yourself.


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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.

Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Once again I implore you to READ the whitepaper before spreading fud

You need to know what your jurisdiction says a security is. I'm just telling you what the FINMA and SEC say a security is. It is the intent you purchase the asset. If you don't live there then you have to find out your own laws.

There are two arguments here:

Scam

If you can buy the STO token.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....

Have you even seen the quality of the video let alone the distance that "speaker" was standing to the camera. Anyways I haven't invested so no loss.

But just to recap you are happy investing in a project that is:

Related to known scam projects. Have no idea what your jurisdiction classifies as a security, otherwise you wouldn't of posted that I don't know what I was talking about. Believes a high profile man as Dr Kurt Becker would waste his time on Bitcointalk to sell his project and top of that have very minimal video views. On that note,  there were only a few present, with such a large project and STO one would expect many people in attendance. Also not having financial prospectus that the financial body would accept wouldn't be something you would risk? Oh, and a large STO joining a brand-new network like Mize that is unproven....yes it all sounds very real solid project here, nothing suspicious...pffft.

Don't get me started on who has the license to mine in Mongolia in this area. You realise that it is public. I know you would have look it up before investing, correct? I did. Do you due diligence.

I also provided you the real contact details for Dr Kurt Becker so if you are unsure you could contact him yourself.




Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.
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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

Oh really?

If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."
Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for.

Because, in the Real World, GWE is just a E3k shell company also owned by serial bullshitter Adrian Jacuzzi of Mize, about which and whom the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC:



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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold..These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

This is the laughably absurd sort of bullshit that only MLM scammers (like Jacuzzi) can say with a straight face.



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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

Oh really?

If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."
Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for.

Because, in the Real World, GWE is just a E3k shell company also owned by serial bullshitter Adrian Jacuzzi of Mize, about which and whom the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC:

https://i.imgur.com/PVSaVyh.png

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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold..These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

This is the laughably absurd sort of bullshit that only MLM scammers (like Jacuzzi) can say with a straight face.




This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency.

You ask about the big companies GWE works with, well dont fret. After the sale of the BHF tokens finishes, the next STO will be released. Then you will have your 'evidence'.

Funny how you cant see any new faults with BHM, Kurt Beckers 'real' video, RoyalHaskoning DHVs audit, SWISSCOMs association with BHM. Are they all in on this elaborate scam as well??
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The fact that they are advertising some sort of buyback plan with a target yield of 3,000%+ means that it's either a ponzi scheme, or just a completely misleading advertising campaign to lure people into investing.

I don't see any tangible proof on the site that they currently own the land that they say will be used to mine certain minerals, nor proof that they've gotten the necessary approvals to start this process once the sale starts.

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Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Try convince the SEC or any other regulatory body around the world that this is the case. I highly doubt they'll be dumb enough to say just because a swap is happening, this is somehow not a security.

Anyways, this isn't even the main point here. Main point is that Blue Hill is most likely completely fabricated with the sole intent of ripping people off.

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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


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On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
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Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.


_______________________________________________________________________________ __

Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


______________________________________________________


On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
".[/color]



Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?
[/quote]

I would personally like to THANK YOU for your response as it made me dig deeper into the mining registration. If you look hard enough AND use the concession numbers you will find the license Smiley BOOM!

On the same webpage you gave that shows the registered companies,  on the top left you will see a box that says ID. Type in the mining concession numbers without the letters then search 1 by 1. Surprise surprise the license numbers come up.

Not only that a map can be seen exactly where in Mongolia the mine is situated and guess what? It's the exact location given in the whitepaper.

READ IT AND WEEP HATERS!

You ask where is the Bluehill foundation registered. Go to the bluehill foundation website,  scroll down to the terms and conditions. In there go to 1.1. It will give the exact address of BH foundation.

Now where do you have to go now? We got the licenses we got the registered address.

The CNMA GIVE A WARNING ABOUT COINBASE. YES COINBASE. YOU THINK THEY ARE A SCAM AS WELL???
The CNMA 'warning' means nothing. If GWE is ascam why aren't the authorities closing them down, they've been here for 2 years
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.


_______________________________________________________________________________ __

Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


______________________________________________________


On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
".[/color]



Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?

I would personally like to THANK YOU for your response as it made me dig deeper into the mining registration. If you look hard enough AND use the concession numbers you will find the license Smiley BOOM!

On the same webpage you gave that shows the registered companies,  on the top left you will see a box that says ID. Type in the mining concession numbers without the letters then search 1 by 1. Surprise surprise the license numbers come up.

Not only that a map can be seen exactly where in Mongolia the mine is situated and guess what? It's the exact location given in the whitepaper.

READ IT AND WEEP HATERS!

You ask where is the Bluehill foundation registered. Go to the bluehill foundation website,  scroll down to the terms and conditions. In there go to 1.1. It will give the exact address of BH foundation.

Now where do you have to go now? We got the licenses we got the registered address.

The CNMA GIVE A WARNING ABOUT COINBASE. YES COINBASE. YOU THINK THEY ARE A SCAM AS WELL???
The CNMA 'warning' means nothing. If GWE is ascam why aren't the authorities closing them down, they've been here for 2 years

[/quote]

LOL And what NAME IS IT UNDER? I already know..... You need to make a connection to BlueHill.

I already know all of this, I provided you the links, I have already checked. There is no association with BlueHill in regards to the licence.

You yell BlueHill has the same registered address as the licence yet the name on the licence says who? Anyone can search this and claim this. I know all of this. Where is your link for the real licence I have provided and the name. Remember anyone can claim to live anywhere.

I want cold hard proof from you.

I've researched this before you, this is all new to you and you are getting ahead of yourself....

CNMA gave a warning about coinbase because it didn't fulfil the criteria for that jurisdiction so it publicly warned people in that area about Coinbase. It was only for that jurisdiction.  

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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.


_______________________________________________________________________________ __

Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


______________________________________________________


On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
".[/color]



Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?

I would personally like to THANK YOU for your response as it made me dig deeper into the mining registration. If you look hard enough AND use the concession numbers you will find the license Smiley BOOM!

On the same webpage you gave that shows the registered companies,  on the top left you will see a box that says ID. Type in the mining concession numbers without the letters then search 1 by 1. Surprise surprise the license numbers come up.

Not only that a map can be seen exactly where in Mongolia the mine is situated and guess what? It's the exact location given in the whitepaper.

READ IT AND WEEP HATERS!

You ask where is the Bluehill foundation registered. Go to the bluehill foundation website,  scroll down to the terms and conditions. In there go to 1.1. It will give the exact address of BH foundation.

Now where do you have to go now? We got the licenses we got the registered address.

The CNMA GIVE A WARNING ABOUT COINBASE. YES COINBASE. YOU THINK THEY ARE A SCAM AS WELL???
The CNMA 'warning' means nothing. If GWE is ascam why aren't the authorities closing them down, they've been here for 2 years


LOL And what NAME IS IT UNDER? I already know..... You need to make a connection to BlueHill.

I already know all of this, I provided you the links, I have already checked. There is no association with BlueHill in regards to the licence.

You yell BlueHill has the same registered address as the licence yet the name on the licence says who? Anyone can search this and claim this. I know all of this. Where is your link for the real licence I have provided and the name. Remember anyone can claim to live anywhere.

I want cold hard proof from you.

I've researched this before you, this is all new to you and you are getting ahead of yourself....

CNMA gave a warning about coinbase because it didn't fulfil the criteria for that jurisdiction so it publicly warned people in that area about Coinbase. It was only for that jurisdiction.  


[/quote]

Just goes to show what you know about business naming and trading names.

Turquoise hill mine is the biggest mine in ALL of Mongolia. Please search that name in the database and see what comes up.

Nothing! Really? How can that be? The BIGGEST mine in ALL of Mongolia not on the list of licensed mines.

Yeah well maybe just MAYBE Turquoise Hill SOUNDS a lot better for investors and marketers than Oyu Tolgoi.
Herein lies your problem. You fail to realise foreign investors name a mine that is marketable YET the trading name is always a funny local name that is registered with the authorities.

Once again your argument holds no weight.

I ask you once again to search Turquoise Hill on the database and see what comes up.

Do you REALLY think I didnt do my research? The balls in your court now.

What did you think was gonna come up 'Blue Hill Mine (kurt Becker)' LOL


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concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

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You claim you already 'searched' these, yet this post clearly shows you dont even know what concession numbers are. All you did was search blue hill mining. That's it.

I showed you what concession numbers are and only now you claim you know what they are AFTER I searched for them.

So we got the licence for the mines, 3 videos with Kurt Becker explaining Blue Hill Mining. The report from RoyalHaskoning, SWISSCOM , Golders associates, and STILL you blindly claim scam. LOOLLLLLLLL
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This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.
https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

The Spanish regulator issues two types of warning to investors to help them avoid being scammed. For a regulator they seem to be fairly proactive, searching the web for non registered entities that operate in the financial sector and including them at that link. That list contains crypto related and non crypto related schemes, including coinbase and many others, anyone who is offering financial services to Spaniards but not registered to do so.
GWE and Mize are not on that list.
GWE and Mize are specifically warned about separately as not authorised to provide investment services. This category also includes a request from the Regulator for victims to provide evidence anonymously.

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As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency.
What *you* are concerned about is not relevant. The GWE/Mize warning has nothing to do with cryptocurrency per se. Mize is actively soliciting fiat investment into its opaque MLM scam schemes, that's why they're warned about.

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You ask about the big companies GWE works with, well dont fret. After the sale of the BHF tokens finishes, the next STO will be released. Then you will have your 'evidence'.
From that answer I gather that *you* are confirming that Jacuzzi's shell company GWE doesn't and hasn't "worked with" any other "big companies at all?
That this claim is a complete fabrication (a.k.a. lie)
GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

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If GWE is a scam why aren't the authorities closing them down
Classic scammers non argument, as used by many many others including Onecoin, (a favorite past scam of some of Mize's highest flying bullshitting thieves marketing experts).

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Funny how you cant see any new faults with BHM, Kurt Beckers 'real' video, RoyalHaskoning DHVs audit, SWISSCOMs association with BHM. Are they all in on this elaborate scam as well??

*You* tell me, you seem to have all the answers. Like tell us who are Bayajtatu? Is that "Kurt Becker" in Mongolian?
Talking of which, exactly who are *you*?
Registered in February last year, woke up a day ago solely to post on this topic.
So, admin or shill? Or maybe a high flying affiliate?
Is that you Coach Mustafa maybe, posting on your new Macbook Pro?




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Each BHF token has the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine.
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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold.

Hahaha.


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This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.
https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

The Spanish regulator issues two types of warning to investors to help them avoid being scammed. For a regulator they seem to be fairly proactive, searching the web for non registered entities that operate in the financial sector and including them at that link. That list contains crypto related and non crypto related schemes, including coinbase and many others, anyone who is offering financial services to Spaniards but not registered to do so.
GWE and Mize are not on that list.
GWE and Mize are specifically warned about separately as not authorised to provide investment services. This category also includes a request from the Regulator for victims to provide evidence anonymously.

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As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency.
What *you* are concerned about is not relevant. The GWE/Mize warning has nothing to do with cryptocurrency per se. Mize is actively soliciting fiat investment into its opaque MLM scam schemes, that's why they're warned about.

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You ask about the big companies GWE works with, well dont fret. After the sale of the BHF tokens finishes, the next STO will be released. Then you will have your 'evidence'.
From that answer I gather that *you* are confirming that Jacuzzi's shell company GWE doesn't and hasn't "worked with" any other "big companies at all?
That this claim is a complete fabrication (a.k.a. lie)
GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

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If GWE is a scam why aren't the authorities closing them down
Classic scammers non argument, as used by many many others including Onecoin, (a favorite past scam of some of Mize's highest flying bullshitting thieves marketing experts).

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Funny how you cant see any new faults with BHM, Kurt Beckers 'real' video, RoyalHaskoning DHVs audit, SWISSCOMs association with BHM. Are they all in on this elaborate scam as well??

*You* tell me, you seem to have all the answers. Like tell us who are Bayajtatu? Is that "Kurt Becker" in Mongolian?
Talking of which, exactly who are *you*?
Registered in February last year, woke up a day ago solely to post on this topic.
So, admin or shill? Or maybe a high flying affiliate?
Is that you Coach Mustafa maybe, posting on your new Macbook Pro?

https://i.imgur.com/wumuxIu.jpg


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Each BHF token has the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine.
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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold.

Hahaha.



Lol.

So you FINALLY accept Kurt Becker is a part of BHM, the mine is registered (I had to find that info for you).

Now the only thing you have going is GWE being a scam. Even though its running for 2 years and still paying its investors everyday for the past 2 years.

Like I said in an earlier post, wait for the Blue hill sale to finish then you will see the rest of the 'big companies' GWE is associated with in the next STO. Like I said wait a couple of months.

Bayajtatu?

Its the same as Oyu Tolgui. This is the registered Mongolian company for Turquoise Hill Mine. You didnt seem to answer this question. Why is Turquoise Hill mine NOT on the list of registered mining companies in Mongolia? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER FOR INVESTORS THAN OYU TOLGUI AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER

In the same way, Blue Hill mine sounds a lot better to investors and marketers than Bayajtatu.

You cant accept that BHM is NOT a scam.

You ask I should explain why RoyalHaskoning , Golders associates, SWISSCOM are partners with BHM. Well that's the exact reason they are PARTNERS. YOU explain otherwise if you can.
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One more post for all you HATERS

https://www.weare121.com/121techinvestment-hk/client/blue-hill-foundation/

They will be present at this big investment meeting in Hong Kong.

Read it and weep. Still think it's a scam???
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So you FINALLY accept Kurt Becker is a part of BHM
That there is a "Kurt Becker" claimed to be part of this scheme has not been an issue as far as I'm aware. As has been pointed out, his supposed CV and reality are inconsistent. As far as your "proof" goes, all I see is a Fiverr standard video containing a Central Casting "serious German business man in suit".

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the mine is registered (I had to find that info for you).
"Mine"....
There is no "mine".
Quote from: definition
NOUN
1
An excavation in the earth for extracting coal or other minerals.

Show the "mine".
Show data regarding how much "extracting" is going on now.
There are two Exploration Licenses in existence (XV-014307/XV-014308) which share some parts of the reference numbers (14307/14308X) quoted.
Exploration Licenses are not "mines".

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Now the only thing you have going is GWE being a scam. Even though its running for 2 years and still paying its investors everyday for the past 2 years.
Aren't you getting your Jacuzzi companies mixed up? Or do you really mean that Global World Exchangers are an active investment company?
"running for two years".....with a website
Quote from: Whois
Created on 2018-02-18
and what an informative website it is


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Like I said in an earlier post, wait for the Blue hill sale to finish then you will see the rest of the 'big companies' GWE is associated with in the next STO. Like I said wait a couple of months.
Oh yeah, wait... Great Things Coming Soon. So, just to be clear, as of this point in time your statement that
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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies
has no basis in fact.
 
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Bayajtatu?
Its the same as Oyu Tolgui. This is the registered Mongolian company for Turquoise Hill Mine. You didnt seem to answer this question. Why is Turquoise Hill mine NOT on the list of registered mining companies in Mongolia? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER FOR INVESTORS THAN OYU TOLGUI AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER
In the same way, Blue Hill mine sounds a lot better to investors and marketers than Bayajtatu.

This is just words that mean nothing. What question I didn't answer, I have no idea what you're talking about.
The Oyu Tolgui project is the Oyu Tolgui project.
There is no such legal entity as " Turquoise Hill mine".
There is a Rio Tinto company called Turquoise Hill Resources involved in the management of Oyu Tolgui, so what?
Absolutely nothing to do with the complete lack of connection between the Exploratory License holder named Bayajtatu and this "Blue Hill" scheme.
Surprisingly, my Mongolian is poor (non-existent) so I have been unable to work out how you manage to translate "Bayajtatu" into anything resembling "Blue Hill" to sound "a lot better for investors".
If I was being cynical I'd say that "Blue Hill" was deliberately chosen as the name for this scheme to gain some reflected credibility from the real Rio Tinto project.

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You cant accept that BHM is NOT a scam.
I find it difficult to see what advantage there would be for a legitimate project of this type hooking themselves up with a bunch of two-bit MLM scammers.

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You ask I should explain why RoyalHaskoning , Golders associates, SWISSCOM are partners with BHM. Well that's the exact reason they are PARTNERS. YOU explain otherwise if you can.
"PARTNERS"?
According to the whitepaper RoyalHaskoning and Golders associates are advisers, not partners. Not that there is even any confirmation from those two companies of that claim.
Swisscom a PARTNER? Not that they acknowledge anywhere. What is the partnership, what risk and reward do the two entities share?

Haters.... the classic MLM scammer appellation for anyone who points out their bullshit as bullshit.

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Read it and weep.
What, weep with laughter at the idea that paying to attend one of the many many "networking conferences" there are around somehow confers legitimacy?
Altho I'm sure that's what Coach Mustafa will be breathlessly spinning to his downline of sophisticated "investors"...

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Still think it's a scam???
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Each BHF token has the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold.


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So you FINALLY accept Kurt Becker is a part of BHM
That there is a "Kurt Becker" claimed to be part of this scheme has not been an issue as far as I'm aware. As has been pointed out, his supposed CV and reality are inconsistent. As far as your "proof" goes, all I see is a Fiverr standard video containing a Central Casting "serious German business man in suit".

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the mine is registered (I had to find that info for you).
"Mine"....
There is no "mine".
Quote from: definition
NOUN
1
An excavation in the earth for extracting coal or other minerals.

Show the "mine".
Show data regarding how much "extracting" is going on now.
There are two Exploration Licenses in existence (XV-014307/XV-014308) which share some parts of the reference numbers (14307/14308X) quoted.
Exploration Licenses are not "mines".

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Now the only thing you have going is GWE being a scam. Even though its running for 2 years and still paying its investors everyday for the past 2 years.
Aren't you getting your Jacuzzi companies mixed up? Or do you really mean that Global World Exchangers are an active investment company?
"running for two years".....with a website
Quote from: Whois
Created on 2018-02-18
and what an informative website it is
https://i.imgur.com/eJVk7kp.png

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Like I said in an earlier post, wait for the Blue hill sale to finish then you will see the rest of the 'big companies' GWE is associated with in the next STO. Like I said wait a couple of months.
Oh yeah, wait... Great Things Coming Soon. So, just to be clear, as of this point in time your statement that
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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies
has no basis in fact.
 
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Bayajtatu?
Its the same as Oyu Tolgui. This is the registered Mongolian company for Turquoise Hill Mine. You didnt seem to answer this question. Why is Turquoise Hill mine NOT on the list of registered mining companies in Mongolia? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER FOR INVESTORS THAN OYU TOLGUI AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER
In the same way, Blue Hill mine sounds a lot better to investors and marketers than Bayajtatu.

This is just words that mean nothing. What question I didn't answer, I have no idea what you're talking about.
The Oyu Tolgui project is the Oyu Tolgui project.
There is no such legal entity as " Turquoise Hill mine".
There is a Rio Tinto company called Turquoise Hill Resources involved in the management of Oyu Tolgui, so what?
Absolutely nothing to do with the complete lack of connection between the Exploratory License holder named Bayajtatu and this "Blue Hill" scheme.
Surprisingly, my Mongolian is poor (non-existent) so I have been unable to work out how you manage to translate "Bayajtatu" into anything resembling "Blue Hill" to sound "a lot better for investors".
If I was being cynical I'd say that "Blue Hill" was deliberately chosen as the name for this scheme to gain some reflected credibility from the real Rio Tinto project.

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You cant accept that BHM is NOT a scam.
I find it difficult to see what advantage there would be for a legitimate project of this type hooking themselves up with a bunch of two-bit MLM scammers.

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You ask I should explain why RoyalHaskoning , Golders associates, SWISSCOM are partners with BHM. Well that's the exact reason they are PARTNERS. YOU explain otherwise if you can.
"PARTNERS"?
According to the whitepaper RoyalHaskoning and Golders associates are advisers, not partners. Not that there is even any confirmation from those two companies of that claim.
Swisscom a PARTNER? Not that they acknowledge anywhere. What is the partnership, what risk and reward do the two entities share?

Haters.... the classic MLM scammer appellation for anyone who points out their bullshit as bullshit.

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Read it and weep.
What, weep with laughter at the idea that paying to attend one of the many many "networking conferences" there are around somehow confers legitimacy?
Altho I'm sure that's what Coach Mustafa will be breathlessly spinning to his downline of sophisticated "investors"...

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Still think it's a scam???
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Each BHF token has the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold.



Man we are just going round and round in circles. You call it a 'scam' I call it an investment opportunity. Lets wait till the end of the year for approval from FINMA.

You ask for evidence of the exploration done. IT IS IN THE WHITEPAPER!!!! WHICH I KEEP TELLING YOU TO READ. PAGE 11. Unless BHM managed to hack into the RoyalHaskoning database and procure this material. Or the standard reply 'how do we know what this is for' or 'where is the link to bhm'

It's also very convenient that the concession numbers of the mines just happen to be very similar to the Exploration Licenses in existence (XV-014307/XV-014308). Which in turn just happens to be, when placed onto a map, in the EXACT co-ordinates of the mines mentioned on the BHM whitepaper. Now that's a heck of a lot detail to go into for a scam.

Just one last thing. My Mongolian isn't very good but I'm sure Oyu Tolgui doesn't translate into Rio Tinto Resources or Turquoise Hill Resources  Roll Eyes

See you at the end of 2019 Grin

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You ask for evidence of the exploration done.
Er, no I haven't.

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IT IS IN THE WHITEPAPER!!!! WHICH I KEEP TELLING YOU TO READ. PAGE 11. Unless BHM managed to hack into the RoyalHaskoning database and procure this material.
Page 11, or any other page, does not contain "evidence" of anything. It contains projections done to an industry formula by RH (based on wide estimates) and a pretty (unattributed) picture.
There is relevant data available from the Polish University team surveys, undertaken for the Mongolian firm Bayajtatu LLC, but that's not in the WP (why not?)

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It's also very convenient that the concession numbers of the mines
There are no mines.
There are no concessions.
There are two exploratory licenses.
Repeating the words "mines" and "concession" doesn't make one appear.

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Just one last thing. My Mongolian isn't very good
My Mongolian has improved no end thanks to this scam subject, I can now say with confidence

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Sorry for delay...went away on holiday

I'm still very excited that you (Bubba06255003) were in contact with SWISSCOM to confirm this.  
QUOTE from you: "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project".

I look forward to you sharing this independent information with the community to back-up your claim.



For anyone wanting to participate in this project due diligence is to be taken.


3rd party contact details for Dr Kurt Becker (not supplied by BlueHill Foundation):


Dr Kurt Becker

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/
https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3



Companies Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5
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This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.
https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

The Spanish regulator issues two types of warning to investors to help them avoid being scammed. For a regulator they seem to be fairly proactive, searching the web for non registered entities that operate in the financial sector and including them at that link. That list contains crypto related and non crypto related schemes, including coinbase and many others, anyone who is offering financial services to Spaniards but not registered to do so.
GWE and Mize are not on that list.
GWE and Mize are specifically warned about separately as not authorised to provide investment services. This category also includes a request from the Regulator for victims to provide evidence anonymously.

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As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency.
What *you* are concerned about is not relevant. The GWE/Mize warning has nothing to do with cryptocurrency per se. Mize is actively soliciting fiat investment into its opaque MLM scam schemes, that's why they're warned about.

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You ask about the big companies GWE works with, well dont fret. After the sale of the BHF tokens finishes, the next STO will be released. Then you will have your 'evidence'.
From that answer I gather that *you* are confirming that Jacuzzi's shell company GWE doesn't and hasn't "worked with" any other "big companies at all?
That this claim is a complete fabrication (a.k.a. lie)
GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

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If GWE is a scam why aren't the authorities closing them down
Classic scammers non argument, as used by many many others including Onecoin, (a favorite past scam of some of Mize's highest flying bullshitting thieves marketing experts).

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Funny how you cant see any new faults with BHM, Kurt Beckers 'real' video, RoyalHaskoning DHVs audit, SWISSCOMs association with BHM. Are they all in on this elaborate scam as well??

*You* tell me, you seem to have all the answers. Like tell us who are Bayajtatu? Is that "Kurt Becker" in Mongolian?
Talking of which, exactly who are *you*?
Registered in February last year, woke up a day ago solely to post on this topic.
So, admin or shill? Or maybe a high flying affiliate?
Is that you Coach Mustafa maybe, posting on your new Macbook Pro?




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Each BHF token has the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine.
Quote
BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold.

Hahaha.



Lol.

So you FINALLY accept Kurt Becker is a part of BHM, the mine is registered (I had to find that info for you).

Now the only thing you have going is GWE being a scam. Even though its running for 2 years and still paying its investors everyday for the past 2 years.

Like I said in an earlier post, wait for the Blue hill sale to finish then you will see the rest of the 'big companies' GWE is associated with in the next STO. Like I said wait a couple of months.

Bayajtatu?

Its the same as Oyu Tolgui. This is the registered Mongolian company for Turquoise Hill Mine. You didnt seem to answer this question. Why is Turquoise Hill mine NOT on the list of registered mining companies in Mongolia? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER FOR INVESTORS THAN OYU TOLGUI AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER

In the same way, Blue Hill mine sounds a lot better to investors and marketers than Bayajtatu.

You cant accept that BHM is NOT a scam.

You ask I should explain why RoyalHaskoning , Golders associates, SWISSCOM are partners with BHM. Well that's the exact reason they are PARTNERS. YOU explain otherwise if you can.

I don't want to argue with you here but how about provide some links to prove what you say. For example:

"Its the same as Oyu Tolgui. This is the registered Mongolian company for Turquoise Hill Mine...BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER FOR INVESTORS THAN OYU TOLGUI".

I don't know what you are talking about because Oyu Tolgui is a location in Mongolia, it is a land mass.... The reason I am confused is because you don't provide proof. eg.

https://www.mining-technology.com/projects/oyu-tolgio/ (land mass)

HOWEVER because I can prove a link between the Mongolian company name Oyu Tolgoi and Turquoise Hill, this proves they are the same company.

Registration number: 2657457
Company Name: Oyu Tolgoi
BOD Name: Brendan Lan
Position: Vice president of Operations and Business Development, Turquoise Hill Resources  <-------- The link with with the company Oyu Tolgoi, and not the land mass
Status: Foreign company, enterprise

https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf (pg 119)


Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd is a registered (International) Mongolian company:

https://www.turquoisehill.com <----- You can see Stock price and company details in the below links (TSX:TRQ)

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TRQ/  (NYSE)
https://nysenewsroom.com/2019/05/31/innovative-stocksturquoise-hill-resources-ltd-tsxtrq/
https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/19609473  <------ See how I linked the name Brendan Lan with the company Oyu Tolgoi for proof



Bayajtatu is a Mongolian registered company. It is a limited liability company:


Registration number: 5167329
Company Name: Bayajtatu
Licence Number: XV-014308
14308
Area Name: Khul sharga
Area Size (Ha): 14,070.46
Date Issued: 2008.10.17
Expiration Date: 2017.10.17
Province: Bayankhongor
District/Subdivision: Bayanlig
Status: Limited Liability Company

Registration number: 5167329
Company Name: Bayajtatu
Licence Number: XV-014307
14307
Area Name: Bor khoshuu
Area Size (Ha): 901.49
Date Issued: 2008.10.17
Expiration Date: 2017.10.17
Province: Bayankhongor
District/Subdivision: Bayanlig
Status: Limited Liability Company

https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf (proof).


"In the same way, Blue Hill mine sounds a lot better to investors and marketers than Bayajtatu"... I understand what you are trying to say but where's your connection to back yourself up? That is what I have not been able to find from the beginning.

Since Bayajtatu has been mentioned, you now claim that they are Blue Hill Foundation. I just want proof to this link you have made as this is elusive for me.  

Bayajtatu LLC has been mentioned here:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=https://www.pgi.gov.pl/en/dokumenty-przegladarka/publikacje-2/biuletyn-pig/biuletyn-448/1261-biul448-2-8cwiertnia/file.html&prev=search



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The only link I have found (again with proof) with any mining company that Kurt Becker has anything to do with is:

Kurt Becker
German Global Mining Holding AG, Lünen


https://www.northdata.de/German+Global+Mining+Holding+AG,+Lünen/Amtsgericht+Dortmund+HRB+29757
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.companyhouse.de/German-Global-Mining-Holding-AG-Luenen&prev=search <-------- Take note of this link as we have business in Mongolia

"...special focus on companies in Mongolia and other countries with a strong commodities sector, as well as the consultation in the acquisition and management of companies, the acquisition of shares in the Khukh Tolgoi Mine in Mongolia"...

Khukh Tolgoi Mine: https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf (pg 41)

Registration number: 5107733
Company Name: NBNGT  
Licence Number: XV-012673
12673
Area Name: Khukh tolgoi
Area Size (Ha): 1,735.55
Date Issued: 2004.11.03
Expiration Date: 2018.01.03
Province: Bayankhongor
District/Subdivision: Bayan-Undur, Shinejinst
Status: 100% Foreign investment

Khukh Tolgoi Mine: https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf (pg 41)



What part of this research will you now claim?...let me help you.

In conclusion I can find no links with independent 3rd party sites that the real Kurt Becker has anything to do with BlueHill Foundation. What I have found is Kurt Becker is in control of German Global Mining Holding AG, which has interests in Mongolia, more specifically Khukh tolgoi Mine. I cannot find any connection with this company and BlueHill Foundation.

There are no links that I can find relating Bayajtatu with BlueHill Foundation or any of the named people. You claim it's just the Mongolian name and in English it is BlueHill Foundation, however you have provided no evidence. Where are you getting this info from?

I provided evidence linking the company, Oyu Tolgoi to the name Turquoise Hill Resources Ltd, the stock market prices and the director Brendan Lan to their official website www.turquoisehill.com. I did this by using independent 3rd party information and relating it to their website.
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The only info I can find mentioning "BlueHill", NOT the aforementioned company, is a Technical Report on the Huh Tolgoi (Blue Hill) CaF2 metasomatite deposit of the Huh Tolgoi Project located at Sukhbaatar, Mongolia.

Sod Gazar’s objective on the Huh Tolgoi Property is to outline an economic fluorspar deposit and develop an open pit mine. The Huh Tolgoi Property is an exploration property. Sod Gazar holds a mineral exploration licence (9964X) covering a total area of approximately 1,960 ha.

This is a CaF2 metasomatite deposit, not what is mentioned on the Blue Hill Foundation Website, thus not related.


http://www.sodgazar.mn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=229&lang=en   <----- not secure
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To help people further doing their due diligence and researching before investing here is a another company database establishing shareholders/land stakes dealing with concession/exploration and smelting rights within Mongolia (english). It shows their shareholding distribution so you can see if you can link any mentioned companies via each other to see if Blue Hill Foundation is connected.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=https://landmatrix.org/media/uploads/shareholders_mn.pdf&prev=search

Original site:

https://landmatrix.org/media/uploads/shareholders_mn.pdf


I am trying to help everyone here by providing links to independent sites to help you research.

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Just to understand business ownership, “Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine (concession numbers 14307X & 14308X)”. https://bluehillfoundation.com and “BHM is directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining and the Blue Hill Platform…” https://bluehillmining.com

This does not make any sense. I thought BHM is BlueHill Mining so how can BlueHill Mining, as you put it,  be directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining and the Blue Hill Platform?

How can Blue Hill Mining own 30% of itself? Or do you mean Blue Hill Mining owns 30% of Blue Hill Platform?

Maybe BHM is different to BlueHill Mining and now there are three companies.

BHM
Blue Hill Mining
Blue Hill Foundation

You need to make things much clearer.


Because from what you say Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mine and 30%…!?Huh Those are your words.

OR did you mean…

Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mine and 30% of itself? ?? Again this makes no sense.

OR possibly…

BHM is the token…. and BHM is directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining because a token can somehow own 30% of something or was it 24%?

To further add confusion you state:

A visual aspect of the Blue Hill Mine, showing its scale and massive potential

"The Blue Hill Mine, located in Mongolia, lies on the same metallic belt of Turquoise Hill, one of the biggest copper mines in the world, owned and managed by Rio Tinto… Furthermore, BHM is developing a peer-to-peer platform - the Blue Hill Platform...”


Oh! So Blue Hill Mine, a physical mine, is developing a a peer-to-peer platform - the Blue Hill Platform. And the Blue Hill Foundation owns 24%, maybe 30% of the physical Mine. I know it’s not the platform you are talking ownership about because if the physical mine develops it, it owns it. {sarcasm}

Or is The Blue Hill Mine a name of a company that is developing a a peer-to-peer platform - the Blue Hill Platform where the Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% or 30%.

You imply Rio Tinto is part of this. Or does this have nothing to do with it other than stating it?

As far as I can see you have no relationship with TURQUOISE-HILL-RESOURCES or Oyu Tolgoi. If you do, proof would clear it up.

https://www.marketscreener.com/TURQUOISE-HILL-RESOURCES-1410505/company/  <—— shareholders/directors
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=880408  <—— others involved.
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now we see good results from the team. I think sto is a really good solution for investors in this market.
what about exchanges? with whom are negotiations already under way ? I just would like to understand when there will be a listing on cryptocurrency exchanges?
The listing for the 70% of Blue Hill Mine on the Toronto stock market will happen by end of this year. Until now, we cannot give details on this until it is done. The listing for the remaining 30% of Blue Hill Mine will be make via the buyback plan for the BHM tokens. This will happen from 2022 onwards (date to be confirmed).

Could you clear up the Toronto Stock Market Listing please. I only see "The intention is for BHM to be Fully Licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA and thereon after intended to be licensed under the U.S. security and exchange commission regulators SEC." on your website.

So there are three public listings in different countries? As these are public listings you are required by law to state all shareholders, but you say you won't. This doesn't make sense why you won't disclose this info as required by law. Could you clarify you position lawfully please.

"70% of Blue Hill Mine is sold on the Toronto Stock Exchange in the future and the remain 30% will be used to as a buyback for Blue Hill Mine".

Since Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% of Blue Hill Mine and 70% ownership of the Mine will be sold off wouldn’t this dilute Blue Hill Foundation stake. Exactly what company is the tokens suppose to be buying into?

If 70% of the Mine is sold off publicly and Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% then Blue Hill Mining isn’t in control of itself but rather Blue Hill Foundation. This would mean the BHM token would be buying into the Foundation otherwise you are diluting peoples ownership of the token and giving the ownership away as shares.

You say “The listing for the remaining 30% of Blue Hill Mine will be make via the buyback plan for the BHM tokens…”

You realise a buyback is a buyback and “The listing for the remaining 30% of Blue Hill Mine” MAKES NO SENSE WHAT-SO-EVER. You don’t list anything on an Exchange for a buyback. Nothing happens to the remaining 30% after 70% is sold because there is a BUYBACK. How can you use 30% of shares for a buyback anyways?Huh you need $$$ for this kind of buyback.

After dwindling away 70% of the Mine you are actually saying the mine will then buyback 30%, so now Blue Hill Foundation would own (24% + 30%) 54%.  Alternatively they could be buying 30% of the 70% that was originally floated.

You love to confuse people to SCAM

None of these numbers actually mean anything because you are not consistent in your story.

EDIT:

Turns out they are buying back 6% making it a total of 30%
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now we see good results from the team. I think sto is a really good solution for investors in this market.
what about exchanges? with whom are negotiations already under way ? I just would like to understand when there will be a listing on cryptocurrency exchanges?
The listing for the 70% of Blue Hill Mine on the Toronto stock market will happen by end of this year. Until now, we cannot give details on this until it is done. The listing for the remaining 30% of Blue Hill Mine will be make via the buyback plan for the BHM tokens. This will happen from 2022 onwards (date to be confirmed).

Could you clear up the Toronto Stock Market Listing please. I only see "The intention is for BHM to be Fully Licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA and thereon after intended to be licensed under the U.S. security and exchange commission regulators SEC." on your website.

And on that note why do you need to register with the FINMA and SEC if you are going to dump 70% on to the Toronto Stock Market?

Makes no sense...
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@ bluehillfoundation.sup

Blue Hill Foundation already is 24% co-owner of Blue Hill Mine.

What are your key goals for the next 3, 6 and 12 months?
6 Months:
– Purchase of additional 6% of Blue Hill Mine, completing the 30% co-ownership.

So who owns the rest?
How much is the 6% supposed to cost and how is it being paid for?


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It probably got missed in all the bump spam that you're paying for, but any chance of answering the question?
Who will be the majority shareholder in the supposed project?
we have previously written about the information about investors and shareholders have not been disclosed

So, for a moment suspending overall disbelief in this scheme, what you're offering is a minority shareholding in a minority shareholding and refusing to give any details about the majority shareholder?
How can you make any realistic projections about the value of this minority stake without a clear statement of future commitment from the majority shareholder, who ever they may be?

More information above. As we can see above Blue Hill Foundation already is 24% co-owner of Blue Hill Mine and going to buy another 6% completing the 30% co-ownership. Absolutely no financial plan to support this.

Yes because this is crystal clear in the website...where a multimillion dollar token sale is taking place.

Talking about the website what is up with the sub-par quality going on? I mean so many sentences repeating each other and immediately after each other? I mean a lot, you can review them.

e.g.

Asset Backed

BHM is directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining and Blue Hill Platform, that will be supervised by one of the top Swiss law firms.BHM is directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining and the Blue Hill Platform. Supervised by one of the top Swiss law firms.


https://www.bluehillmining.com

Why would a multimillion dollar business spend very little and make obvious mistakes on a primary website?

It makes no sense. Huh
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Sorry for delay...went away on holiday

I'm still very excited that you (Bubba06255003) were in contact with SWISSCOM to confirm this.  
QUOTE from you: "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project".

I look forward to you sharing this independent information with the community to back-up your claim.

3rd party contact details for Dr Kurt Becker (not supplied by BlueHill Foundation):


Dr Kurt Becker

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/
https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3

In terms of an association with SWISSCOM blockchain, you can go to their official website and on the top right hand corner you will see a telegram link. Join that group.

Either ask them yourself or scroll up to 8th May 2019 when someone else has already asked that question and Sven Moller will confirm the association. Before you ask who is Sven Moller, you can see his profile on their official website and he is an admin of the official telegram group.

https://blockchain.swisscom.com/

Admittedly there is no official confirmation of the link between Bayajtatu and BHF online. However, I have spoken to a senior member of GWE who confirms BHF has bought 24% of the mine from from Bayajtatu and will purchase a further 6% by the end of year.

As the BHM token has not been released and will not be released until FINMA approval, there is no need for official confirmation. It is sensitive information at this time and once FINMA approve the token all information will be released.

BHM is the mine. BHF owns currently 24% of the mine and eventually 30%. BHP is the platform in which multinational companies, mine companies,  banks and smelters will use in regards to the purchasing of materials from the mine.

In terms of all the other points made, I am not an expert on BHM/BHF/BHP, but give an easy to understand explanation of each.

As stated on the website, BHM/BHF token owners will own 30% of the mine, and 30% of the BHP. What is so hard in understanding this. The mine and the platform are 2 separate entities.

So let's give a little recap. The mine is called Blue Hill Mine(BHM). Blue Hill Foundation (BHF) owns 24% of BHM and eventually it will be 30% once the remaining 6% is bought from Bayajtatu. Blue Hill Platform (BHP) is the platform where the materials mined will be exchanged with companies banks etc.

We are going around in circles. Let's wait till Q4 2019 and see if the STO gets approved by FINMA.
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now we see good results from the team. I think sto is a really good solution for investors in this market.
what about exchanges? with whom are negotiations already under way ? I just would like to understand when there will be a listing on cryptocurrency exchanges?
The listing for the 70% of Blue Hill Mine on the Toronto stock market will happen by end of this year. Until now, we cannot give details on this until it is done. The listing for the remaining 30% of Blue Hill Mine will be make via the buyback plan for the BHM tokens. This will happen from 2022 onwards (date to be confirmed).

Could you clear up the Toronto Stock Market Listing please. I only see "The intention is for BHM to be Fully Licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA and thereon after intended to be licensed under the U.S. security and exchange commission regulators SEC." on your website.

And on that note why do you need to register with the FINMA and SEC if you are going to dump 70% on to the Toronto Stock Market?

Makes no sense...

Because the tokens will be bought back in 2022 not In 2019 and security tokens have to be registered in order for them to be security tokens.
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Once the STO is approved by FINMA you will see all the links between Bayajtatu and BHF. Until then you can all you want but you wont get anything or see anything online as it is sensitive information and officially they dont have to show any link at this moment in time UNLESS you purchase the €4997 package. In which case you will have to sign an NDA and all the info will be sent out to you.

But I doubt you will do that.
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QUOTE Bubba06255003 "Because the tokens will be bought back in 2022 not In 2019 and security tokens have to be registered in order for them to be security tokens".




No, security tokens are deemed a security applied by the Howey test as used by the FINMA, SEC and Toronto Financial regulatory body (since thats where stock apparently will be sold). This is on their website. What is also found there is the fact if your intent is to swap a token for a security then that token is deemed as a security regardless of timeframe.

You must therefore register the token since it's also deemed a security before selling it. Thus it is illegal for BlueHill to sell the token as they have not registered yet.  
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Once the STO is approved by FINMA you will see all the links between Bayajtatu and BHF. Until then you can all you want but you wont get anything or see anything online as it is sensitive information and officially they dont have to show any link at this moment in time UNLESS you purchase the €4997 package. In which case you will have to sign an NDA and all the info will be sent out to you.

But I doubt you will do that.

Yes you are right, this is a scam so I will not buy into it. Talking about links with Bayajtatu I would like to share some info.


Bayajtatu does not mean “Bluehill” as you have now suggested or it’s “easier to say”. It actually means “finish” or “slow down”.

In my previous posts I have shown the Company Bayajtatu is a Limited Liability Company, showed a company number, current licences for mining and the area the mines are located.


Bayajtatu is a Registered Company


Registration number: 5167329          Registration number: 5167329
Company Name: Bayajtatu            Company Name: Bayajtatu
Licence Number: XV-014308         Licence Number: XV-014307
Area Name: Khul sharga            Area Name: Bor khoshuu
Area Size (Ha): 14,070.46            Area Size (Ha): 901.49
Date Issued: 2008.10.17            Date Issued: 2008.10.17
Expiration Date: 2017.10.17         Expiration Date: 2017.10.17
Province: Bayankhongor            Province: Bayankhongor
District/Subdivision: Bayanlig         District/Subdivision: Bayanlig
Status: Limited Liability Company      Status: Limited Liability Company

https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf


What we find when we cross reference the known licences (XV-014308 and XV-014307) with company registration in Mongolia is the company name translated into “Бaяттaтy” as expected, since the mines are located in Mongolia.

https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/&prev=search (licence cross-reference)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=http://www.mininginvestment.mn/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D814:haiguul%26catid%3D53:2011-06-11-06-16-18%26Itemid%3D38&prev=search (Бaяттaтy and licence cross-reference as supporting evidence they are the same company)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=https://tanevsel.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dundgobi-aimag.xlsx&prev=search
Xaвcpaлт - Moнгoлын Oлбopлox Yйлдвэpлэлийн Ил Toд Бaйдлын ...www.eitimongolia.mn/sites/default/files/uploads/final.../Appendices_2016_MN.xlsx (Бaяттaтy)



Bayajtatu is БAЯЖTATУ and NOT BlueHill Mining\Foundation


Further cross-referencing our known licences the legal status of the company is revealed with the ORIGINAL COMPANY NAME written in its native language and location.  


XV-00014307   Бop xoшyy  Company Number: 5167329 БAЯЖTATУ 2008-10-17 2020-10-17 Бaянxoнгop
XV-00014308   Xyл шapгa  Company Number: 5167329 БAЯЖTATУ 2008-10-17 2020-10-17 Бaянxoнгop

Also note the date for licence expiry 2020-10-17 (check links for renewal)

http://register.minjust.gov.kg/register/SearchAction.seam?logic=and&cid=204
https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn Up-to-date Mining Licences showing (2019) БAЯЖTATУ with current licence XV-00014307 and XV-014308).
https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/


We see the company registration number 5167329 is the same company registration for Bayajtatu and ownership is a individual company (no foreign ownership is registered as required by law).  Bayajtatu is a completely independent company and holds the current licence for exploration. I have proven BlueHill has nothing to do with the company Bayajtatu.  

For more supporting facts linking “Bayajtatu” with “Бaяттaтy” and “БAЯЖTATУ” lets explore the language a little.


Different Translations


Original txt: Бaяжтaтy

Written in Mongolian: Бaяттaтy (Translation as mines are located in Mongolia)


Kazakh:

Бaяжтaтy means “finish”
Бaяттaтy means “slowdown”

and written in english “Bayajtatw”


Kyrgyz:

Бaяжтaтy written in english “Bayajtatu”  <———(Company is referred to and written in this language as official registration).
Бaяттaтy written in english “Bayattatu”  


The original company name registration is БAЯЖTATУ which has been translated into Бaяттaтy as the physical mines are locate in Mongolia. The written english is “Bayajtatu” which is Kyrgyz and it means “finish”. In the language of Kyrgyz the written english word “Bayajtatu” refers directly to the word Бaяжтaтy supporting the original text that this is the official company name.

Tycгaй зөвшөөpлийн мэдээлэл https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn/excelExportPortalLicenseList/?...
http://register.minjust.gov.kg/register/SearchAction.seam?logic=and&cid=204
https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn

Pressing forward we are able to verify the actual existence of the company Bayajtatu LLC (aka Mongolian Translation: Бaяттaтy) through a Polish University that worked with the company in Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, Pustynia Gobi during 2009. The engineer can be found here:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paweł-kuć-9a2975129/?originalSubdomain=pl


LLC and JSC


Now we know the company name Bayajtatu is officially registered with the name БAЯЖTATУ and translated into Бaяттaтy are all one-in-the-same company. The legal status is a Limited Liability Company (LLC) which is a very important fact.

The difference between a LLC and Joint Stock Company (JSC) for the company Bayajtatu LLC jurisdiction.

“The number of participants in a LLC may not exceed 30; otherwise the LLC must be reorganized into a joint stock company…Should a LLC fail to comply with this requirement, it will be subject to liquidation by court order”.  https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/forms-of-business-in-the-kyrgyz-republic-4892

What this means under the terms BlueHill is selling its securities, (i.e. token and having a security swap then the business having shares on the open market with FINMA, US (SEC) and TSX) the company would require to be JSC. This proves at another level BlueHill IS NOT the company Bayajtatu.


For your interest this is a a list of foreign mining companies in Mongolia Mining.

https://www.invest-mongolia.com/mining/foreign-mining-companies


Summary


The company name registration is БAЯЖTATУ has been translated into Бaяттaтy where the mines are in Mongolia. It is written in english as “Bayajtatu” and is Kyrgyz. The meaning is  “finish” not “Blue Hill” or similar.

БAЯЖTATУ, Бaяттaтy and Bayajtatu are the same company and is a independent LLC. This further reinforces the fact Bayajtatu cannot be on a foreign exchange, however not reliant purely on this fact.

As proven above Bayajtatu is NOT owned by BlueHill or has any relationship with Bayajtatu. Bayajtatu holds the current licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 that will expire in Sep 2020 and will be renewed by them.

This would draw us to the conclusion Blue Hill Mining\Foundation does not have the licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 as they claim (and not available in the future). This would suggest Blue Hill Mining\Foundation have committed fraud by claiming that they do in fact have them, and we have also established that BlueHill has NO relationship with the company Bayajtatu.

This is a typical scam where they use real data so when researched it’s valid until under context. The flying-dutch-man scam (Bonanza token by Rouge Mountain Mining Group) was very similar scam that also mentioned names of mining companies and mines that were real and even issuing a genuine geology report. It all turned out to be a scam.
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There is no doubt that Bayajtatu holds the licence of the 2 mines. If you read my previous posts you will see that that is not in question. There is no disputing this. What was mentioned was Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc.
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QUOTE Bubba06255003 "Because the tokens will be bought back in 2022 not In 2019 and security tokens have to be registered in order for them to be security tokens".




No, security tokens are deemed a security applied by the Howey test as used by the FINMA, SEC and Toronto Financial regulatory body (since thats where stock apparently will be sold). This is on their website. What is also found there is the fact if your intent is to swap a token for a security then that token is deemed as a security regardless of timeframe.

You must therefore register the token since it's also deemed a security before selling it. Thus it is illegal for BlueHill to sell the token as they have not registered yet.  

I keep telling to read the terms and conditions but you obviously dont feel the need to!

If you did read the terms and conditions, it's clearly stated the BHF token is an unregulated token. Only once FINMA approve the BHM tokens will the BHF token be converted to the regulated BHM token.

At present there is NO such thing as a BHM token. It only becomes an entity once approved by FINMA.

The terms clearly state BHF tokens at present hold no rights to the BHM mine. To this point if FINMA do not approve the regulated BHM token, a refund will be given to all BHF token holders as stated in the terms and conditions.

You need to read the small print in the terms and conditions, which will explain it all and not use a generic ruling from Google.

The Howey test will only give a positive outcome to the REGULATED BHM token as there is a security linked to it, the mine. At this moment in time BHF tokens are NOT linked to a mine. Only once FINMA approve the BHM token will they be converted to BHM tokens.
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There is no doubt that Bayajtatu holds the licence of the 2 mines. If you read my previous posts you will see that that is not in question. There is no disputing this. What was mentioned was Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation....

No they don't. Already proven BlueHill does not own Bayajtatu. Check links for proof

How about you supply evidence instead of huffing and puffing.
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There is no doubt that Bayajtatu holds the licence of the 2 mines. If you read my previous posts you will see that that is not in question. There is no disputing this. What was mentioned was Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation....

No they don't. Already proven BlueHill does not own Bayajtatu. Check links for proof

How about you supply evidence instead of huffing and puffing.

When did I say Bluehill Foundation owns Bayajtatu?? Bayajtatu is a completely different company to BlueHill Foundatio. Bayajtatu owns the mine and has sold 30% of the mine to Bluehill Foundation.  Get it?

Like I said, BHF will provide the info regarding licences, agreements in due time.
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There is no doubt that Bayajtatu holds the licence of the 2 mines. If you read my previous posts you will see that that is not in question. There is no disputing this. What was mentioned was Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc.


Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation....

No they don't. Already proven BlueHill does not own Bayajtatu. Check links for proof

How about you supply evidence instead of huffing and puffing.

When did I say Bluehill Foundation owns Bayajtatu?? Bayajtatu is a completely different company to BlueHill Foundatio. Bayajtatu owns the mine and has sold 30% of the mine to Bluehill Foundation.  Get it?


Like I said, BHF will provide the info regarding licences, agreements in due time.


QUOTE from BlueHill website: "BHM is directly linked to a 30% co-ownership of Blue Hill Mining and Blue Hill Platform"......

Thats where i received the co-ownership info....

Anyway BlueHill is wrong. Bayajtatu owns 100% of the mines with the aforementioned licences (has original txt and english)  as proven by the links. Blue Hill does not have any this licence as they claim.

So BlueHill does not own Bayajtatu as proven.

Also Bluehill does not own any part of the mines or licences as Bayajtatu owns 100%. I’ve shown this already, you have limited understanding of facts.



You supply no evidence when you post. It's hard to take you seriously.  


Also check the link for all foreign companies that own companies or mines in mongolia. BlueHill owns nothing. nothing at all. You can't even prove the registered company name you are buying the token from - so you can't even prove it is Blue Hill or prove that your "investment" is a in a real company because apparently all that info is hidden from small investors (unless you pay a huge amount of $).

I've proved all company associations (names) with Bayajtatu, and Bayajtatu is completely independent of other businesses.

Bayajtatu owns 100% of the mines and licences as proven, so you are also wrong!!!! Ive proved it. Black and white. Also you can't own part of a mining licence. A company has the licence or it doesnt but this is irrelevant as I have proven business associations.

As seen with the links Bayajtatu owns 100% of these licences as all companies involved with these licences are seen in the database! Thats right, the database lists all licences and companies associations. You didn't even look...wow.....

It lists ALL the licence holders and ALL the Mines - with the Owners!!!!

I demonstrated licence holders and  associated companies. Bayajtatu owns the full licences as seen and 100% of their two Mines.

BlueHill is a scam.
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There is no doubt that Bayajtatu holds the licence of the 2 mines. If you read my previous posts you will see that that is not in question. There is no disputing this. What was mentioned was Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc.

Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation....

No they don't. Already proven BlueHill does not own Bayajtatu. Check links for proof

How about you supply evidence instead of huffing and puffing.

When did I say Bluehill Foundation owns Bayajtatu?? Bayajtatu is a completely different company to BlueHill Foundatio. Bayajtatu owns the mine and has sold 30% of the mine to Bluehill Foundation.  Get it?

Like I said, BHF will provide the info regarding licences, agreements in due time.

You said this:

"...Bayajtatu holds the licence to the mine and have sold off 30% of the mine to Bluehill foundation. So nowhere will you see Bluehill Foundation on any website as Bayajtatu are the licence holders. But do not fret. Soon BHF will put a webpage together showing the licences, registrations etc...Bayajtatu owns the mine and has sold 30% of the mine to Bluehill Foundation".

Nope. Only the licence numbers are registered under one company, Bayajtatu. There is no foreign ownership or part ownership of the two mines Bayajtatu own, as i have proved.
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Good things come to those who wait.

As I've always been saying from the off, this is a legitimate operation and a worthwhile investment that many small investors like ourselves would not have been
able to invest in.

You ask for all the documentation that depicts the role BHF has in Bayajtatu, in the mining operation as based on your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link. Well no need to worry. Just register an account on www.bluehillfoundation.com and go to the documentation tab.
It will show you all the licences, appraisal reports, market research done by RoyalHaskoning.

In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha.

Maybe this is something you can look into investing in now? Now you know it is not a scam.
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Good things come to those who wait.

As I've always been saying from the off, this is a legitimate operation and a worthwhile investment that many small investors like ourselves would not have been
able to invest in.

You ask for all the documentation that depicts the role BHF has in Bayajtatu, in the mining operation as based on your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link. Well no need to worry. Just register an account on www.bluehillfoundation.com and go to the documentation tab.
It will show you all the licences, appraisal reports, market research done by RoyalHaskoning.

In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha.

Maybe this is something you can look into investing in now? Now you know it is not a scam.

Good things come to those who wait.

As I've always been saying from the off, this is a legitimate operation and a worthwhile investment that many small investors like ourselves would not have been
able to invest in.

You ask for all the documentation that depicts the role BHF has in Bayajtatu, in the mining operation as based on your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link. Well no need to worry. Just register an account on www.bluehillfoundation.com and go to the documentation tab.
It will show you all the licences, appraisal reports, market research done by RoyalHaskoning.

In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha.

Maybe this is something you can look into investing in now? Now you know it is not a scam.


Bubba06255003: "In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha"....

Bubba06255003 "In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!....your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link.."

Why do you state there are no links when I offer evidence, and you offer nothing but the Blue Hill website as proof. It is NOT independent evidence like I have shown.  No wonder why you are confused.

NOPE! BHF IS NOT a shareholder in Bayajtatu. Already proven that with the links. All business ownerships are present on the database as required by law. It is black and white. You really need to show independent evidence, stop quoting the Blue Hill white paper and website. I didn't compile the database so don't dispute that facts with me.



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Bubba06255003: "All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha"...

SCAM talk. There no real independent links found anywhere. Everything points to Blue Hill is a SCAM. The company\Mine ownership is found on a independent database including all business relationships.

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You keep changing your story.


One second you claim Blue Hill can own the "part licence" of the mine(s) because it bought some of the mine off Bayajtatu. LOL. The evidence proves that wrong.

then..."Blue Hill is easy to say Bayajtatu" - Wrong, it means "Finish" in Kyrgyz.

Then you say "Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu", the evidence proves that wrong.

Then you claim "...the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu", the evidence shows that is also wrong. Bayajtatu a independent company.


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So Blue hill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will buy another 6%, AND the parent company of Blue Hill Foundation (BHF) according to you is actually a shareholder of Bayajtatu (as well). Wow CONVOLUTED story you cooked up.

Is Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG, Bayajtatu LLC or isn't it? The Blue Hill white paper says it owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining...Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG is a Swiss Public Limited Company and NOT what you say..24% of the mine from Bayajtatu... Even the white paper doesn't know.

 I have already establish Blue Hill is NOT Bayajtatu so what part of of this scam does Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG play in again? When do they own the mine? The story changes and I'm not keeping up.


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In fact the Blue Hill white paper says the Mining company is called Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG. There are no links with Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG, as I have shown, in fact with no other company. So even the Blue Hill white Paper says you are wrong with the name.


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Then you mention  "Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%"... HOWEVER the Blue Hill Whitepaper says: "The Blue Hill Foundation is a Netherlands based Foundation ( Stichting) that already owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining...Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG is a Swiss Public Limited Company "...[/i]

Apparently now Blue Hill mining is a Swiss Limited Company, not Mongolian. I'm a bit confused. According to you it was a licence thing, then it was just easier to say "Blue Hill", rather than Bayajtatu, cough cough..."finish" is easier to say. Now you are saying Blue Hill's parent owns part of Bayajtatu when in fact independent evidence says you are WRONG about Bayajtatu...and a mine located where (Netherlands???) that mines in Mongolia...a whole new argument there.


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Apparently, The Blue Hill Foundation isn't a Mongolian Mine but located in the Netherlands (Mine is in different countries!!!???) which would mean it MUST be registered for foreign land ownership (because apparently it owns (part) mines in Mongolia with Bayajtatu). This has been proven otherwise.


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BlueHill does NOT own Bayajtatu or part of, nor has bought any part of the Mine(s) or licences from Bayajtatu LLC


As proven above Bayajtatu is NOT owned by BlueHill or has any relationship with Bayajtatu. Bayajtatu holds the current licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 that will expire in Sep 2020 and will be renewed by them.

This would draw us to the conclusion Blue Hill Mining\Foundation does not have the licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 as they claim (and not available in the future). This would suggest Blue Hill Mining\Foundation IS A SCAM. We have also established that BlueHill has NO relationship with the company Bayajtatu, Bayajtatu owns 100% of the licences and 100% of its two mines.

This is a typical scam where they use real data so when researched it’s valid until under context. The flying-dutch-man scam (Bonanza token by Rouge Mountain Mining Group) was very similar scam that also mentioned names of mining companies and mines that were real and even issuing a genuine geology report. It all turned out to be a scam.


Note:

My intention isn't to change your mind, Bubba06255003. It's to provide info for others not to invest in this SCAM. I don't care if you can't follow links or see what I would hope you could see...that this is a scam. My intent is to turn others away from this and to evoke a response to BUMP my thread to increase awareness.  
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Good things come to those who wait.

As I've always been saying from the off, this is a legitimate operation and a worthwhile investment that many small investors like ourselves would not have been
able to invest in.

You ask for all the documentation that depicts the role BHF has in Bayajtatu, in the mining operation as based on your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link. Well no need to worry. Just register an account on www.bluehillfoundation.com and go to the documentation tab.
It will show you all the licences, appraisal reports, market research done by RoyalHaskoning.

In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha.

Maybe this is something you can look into investing in now? Now you know it is not a scam.

Good things come to those who wait.

As I've always been saying from the off, this is a legitimate operation and a worthwhile investment that many small investors like ourselves would not have been
able to invest in.

You ask for all the documentation that depicts the role BHF has in Bayajtatu, in the mining operation as based on your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link. Well no need to worry. Just register an account on www.bluehillfoundation.com and go to the documentation tab.
It will show you all the licences, appraisal reports, market research done by RoyalHaskoning.

In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha.

Maybe this is something you can look into investing in now? Now you know it is not a scam.


Bubba06255003: "In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!. All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha"....

Bubba06255003 "In fact it even shows how the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu!!....your limited research that hasn't really scratched the surface, you cannot see any link.."

Why do you state there are no links when I offer evidence, and you offer nothing but the Blue Hill website as proof. It is NOT independent evidence like I have shown.  No wonder why you are confused.

NOPE! BHF IS NOT a shareholder in Bayajtatu. Already proven that with the links. All business ownerships are present on the database as required by law. It is black and white. You really need to show independent evidence, stop quoting the Blue Hill white paper and website. I didn't compile the database so don't dispute that facts with me.



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Bubba06255003: "All OFFICIAL documents NOT a Google search. Haha"...

SCAM talk. There no real independent links found anywhere. Everything points to Blue Hill is a SCAM. The company\Mine ownership is found on a independent database including all business relationships.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _________



You keep changing your story.


One second you claim Blue Hill can own the "part licence" of the mine(s) because it bought some of the mine off Bayajtatu. LOL. The evidence proves that wrong.

then..."Blue Hill is easy to say Bayajtatu" - Wrong, it means "Finish" in Kyrgyz.

Then you say "Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu", the evidence proves that wrong.

Then you claim "...the parent company of BHF is actually a shareholder in Bayajtatu", the evidence shows that is also wrong. Bayajtatu a independent company.


_______________________________________________________________________________ _________


So Blue hill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will buy another 6%, AND the parent company of Blue Hill Foundation (BHF) according to you is actually a shareholder of Bayajtatu (as well). Wow CONVOLUTED story you cooked up.

Is Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG, Bayajtatu LLC or isn't it? The Blue Hill white paper says it owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining...Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG is a Swiss Public Limited Company and NOT what you say..24% of the mine from Bayajtatu... Even the white paper doesn't know.

 I have already establish Blue Hill is NOT Bayajtatu so what part of of this scam does Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG play in again? When do they own the mine? The story changes and I'm not keeping up.


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In fact the Blue Hill white paper says the Mining company is called Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG. There are no links with Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG, as I have shown, in fact with no other company. So even the Blue Hill white Paper says you are wrong with the name.


_______________________________________________________________________________ _________

Then you mention  "Bluehill Foundation has bought 24% of the mine from Bayajtatu and will proceed to buy another 6% from Bayajtatu to make 30%"... HOWEVER the Blue Hill Whitepaper says: "The Blue Hill Foundation is a Netherlands based Foundation ( Stichting) that already owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining...Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG is a Swiss Public Limited Company "...[/i]

Apparently now Blue Hill mining is a Swiss Limited Company, not Mongolian. I'm a bit confused. According to you it was a licence thing, then it was just easier to say "Blue Hill", rather than Bayajtatu, cough cough..."finish" is easier to say. Now you are saying Blue Hill's parent owns part of Bayajtatu when in fact independent evidence says you are WRONG about Bayajtatu...and a mine located where (Netherlands???) that mines in Mongolia...a whole new argument there.


_______________________________________________________________________________ _________


Apparently, The Blue Hill Foundation isn't a Mongolian Mine but located in the Netherlands (Mine is in different countries!!!???) which would mean it MUST be registered for foreign land ownership (because apparently it owns (part) mines in Mongolia with Bayajtatu). This has been proven otherwise.


_______________________________________________________________________________ _________


BlueHill does NOT own Bayajtatu or part of, nor has bought any part of the Mine(s) or licences from Bayajtatu LLC


As proven above Bayajtatu is NOT owned by BlueHill or has any relationship with Bayajtatu. Bayajtatu holds the current licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 that will expire in Sep 2020 and will be renewed by them.

This would draw us to the conclusion Blue Hill Mining\Foundation does not have the licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 as they claim (and not available in the future). This would suggest Blue Hill Mining\Foundation IS A SCAM. We have also established that BlueHill has NO relationship with the company Bayajtatu, Bayajtatu owns 100% of the licences and 100% of its two mines.

This is a typical scam where they use real data so when researched it’s valid until under context. The flying-dutch-man scam (Bonanza token by Rouge Mountain Mining Group) was very similar scam that also mentioned names of mining companies and mines that were real and even issuing a genuine geology report. It all turned out to be a scam.


Note:

My intention isn't to change your mind, Bubba06255003. It's to provide info for others not to invest in this SCAM. I don't care if you can't follow links or see what I would hope you could see...that this is a scam. My intent is to turn others away from this and to evoke a response to BUMP my thread to increase awareness.  

Man you dont half chat a load of rubbish. The evidence is in front of you from official Mongolian websites with the official Mongolian certificate confirming at the moment the parent company of BHF owns 24% of Bayajtatu which in turn means they own 24% of Blue Hill mine

http://opendata.burtgel.gov.mn/lesinfo/5167329

This is the official website that shows the shareholders of Bayajtatu!! What more do you want. Rebus Coporation BV is the parent company of BHF.

All of this information is in the whitepaper,  yet it's obvious you haven't even bothered to read this, that's why the company structure pre and post STO is completely new to you. You never mentioned any of this before

If you click on state registration you will see the official signed and stamped document that clearly shows the % of Bayajtatu that the parent company of BHF owns.

Is there anything else you would need?
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Not once did I claim Blue Hill owns part of the licence!!! Why are you writing rubbish?

And when did I say Bayajtatu means Blue hill mining in Mongolian???

I said to prospective western investors Blue Hill Mining sounds a lot better than a Mongolian name.

You really are showing your lack of knowledge of company shareholding.

Rio Tinto owns or is a significant shareholder in Oyu Tolgoi mine in Mongolia. Where is Rio Tinto officially based? Let me tell you in the UK and Australia.

According to you this is not possible because it's not a Mongolian company!! Maybe the mine is actually based in the UK and Australia!!!
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Bayajtatu is a Registered Company


Registration number: 5167329          Registration number: 5167329
Company Name: Bayajtatu            Company Name: Bayajtatu
Licence Number: XV-014308         Licence Number: XV-014307
Area Name: Khul sharga            Area Name: Bor khoshuu
Area Size (Ha): 14,070.46            Area Size (Ha): 901.49
Date Issued: 2008.10.17            Date Issued: 2008.10.17
Expiration Date: 2017.10.17         Expiration Date: 2017.10.17
Province: Bayankhongor            Province: Bayankhongor
District/Subdivision: Bayanlig         District/Subdivision: Bayanlig
Status: Limited Liability Company      Status: Limited Liability Company

https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/documents/2016_m_eiti_report_appendices_en_final.pdf


What we find when we cross reference the known licences (XV-014308 and XV-014307) with company registration in Mongolia is the company name translated into “Бaяттaтy” as expected, since the mines are located in Mongolia.

https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/&prev=search (licence cross-reference)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=http://www.mininginvestment.mn/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D814:haiguul%26catid%3D53:2011-06-11-06-16-18%26Itemid%3D38&prev=search (Бaяттaтy and licence cross-reference as supporting evidence they are the same company)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=mn&u=https://tanevsel.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dundgobi-aimag.xlsx&prev=search
Xaвcpaлт - Moнгoлын Oлбopлox Yйлдвэpлэлийн Ил Toд Бaйдлын ...www.eitimongolia.mn/sites/default/files/uploads/final.../Appendices_2016_MN.xlsx (Бaяттaтy)



Bayajtatu is БAЯЖTATУ and NOT BlueHill Mining\Foundation


Further cross-referencing our known licences the legal status of the company is revealed with the ORIGINAL COMPANY NAME written in its native language and location.  


XV-00014307   Бop xoшyy  Company Number: 5167329 БAЯЖTATУ 2008-10-17 2020-10-17 Бaянxoнгop
XV-00014308   Xyл шapгa  Company Number: 5167329 БAЯЖTATУ 2008-10-17 2020-10-17 Бaянxoнгop

Also note the date for licence expiry 2020-10-17 (check links for renewal)

http://register.minjust.gov.kg/register/SearchAction.seam?logic=and&cid=204
https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn Up-to-date Mining Licences showing (2019) БAЯЖTATУ with current licence XV-00014307 and XV-014308).
https://mrpam.gov.mn/news/1587/


ALL of the links you have put up just show one thing: That Bayajtatu is the holder of the licences for the mine: Nobody is disputing this. From a Google search you can't see the number of shareholders, company structure etc of Bayajtatu.

You clearly have stated that Bayajtatu has no foreign investors in it, well here you are WRONG

Crypto-Info:"BlueHill does NOT own Bayajtatu or part of, nor has bought any part of the Mine(s) or licences from Bayajtatu LLC


As proven above Bayajtatu is NOT owned by BlueHill or has any relationship with Bayajtatu. Bayajtatu holds the current licences XV-014308 and XV-014307 that will expire in Sep 2020 and will be renewed by them
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This link from the official Mongolian company registration website, clearly shows Bayajtatu has 4 shareholders ONE of which is a foreign investor.

http://opendata.burtgel.gov.mn/lesinfo/5167329.

Moreover you can actually see the official state registartion documents on the BHF dashboard that shows the parent company of BHF owns 24% of Bayajtatu LLC. Shocked

Like I said earlier, you would need more than just a Google search to get to the bottom of this...
Also as mentioned earlier READ THE WHITEPAPER to see the company structure pre and post STO on the BHF website.

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Not once did I claim Blue Hill owns part of the licence!!! Why are you writing rubbish?

And when did I say Bayajtatu means Blue hill mining in Mongolian???

I said to prospective western investors Blue Hill Mining sounds a lot better than a Mongolian name.

You really are showing your lack of knowledge of company shareholding.

Rio Tinto owns or is a significant shareholder in Oyu Tolgoi mine in Mongolia. Where is Rio Tinto officially based? Let me tell you in the UK and Australia.

According to you this is not possible because it's not a Mongolian company!! Maybe the mine is actually based in the UK and Australia!!!

I showed the quotes on my post, used quotation marks ("") and put it in italics what you said.

But guess what! I read both of the white-papers Bubba06255003.

No wonder why you and I are confused. One paper says one thing leaving the reader to connect a web of dots and on occasion is contradictory. The other white paper gives a little more info for the first but mainly concentrates on pseudo-company names suggesting the authors have no idea the REAL business connections. Then we fire off to company ownerships with no info on how the BHM token is sold on a SHARE-EXCHANGE platform, not a crypto-based Exchange (only the BH Platform is mentioned- crypto based platform).

Who actually knows what is happening.

Then making a PRE-sale BMF token a security (and it is NOT registered therefore illegal to sell in most jurisdictions) - then doing a 1:1 swap from the BHF to the BHM security token, that probably isn’t a security, so says the white-paper. It doesn’t make sense.
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Referenced Quotes:

All quotes from the white-paper: https://www.bluehillmining.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf

1. “The Blue Hill Mining security token (BHM) is a real mining project that is a scalable, asset backed security token directly linked to 30% ownership of the Blue       Hill Mine project (concession numbers 14307X and 14308X) ” (pg. 3).
2. “The BHM tokens also hold a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform (B.H.Platform)” (pg. 3).
3. “…Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co owner of the Blue Hill Mine with concession numbers 14307X and 14308X ” (pg. 4).
4.“What makes BHM tokens one of the most secure asset backed security tokens is that a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine project…” (pg. 4).
5. “BHM token holders will benefit from the profits generated by the Blue Hill Mine” (pg. 4).
6. “BHM token holders will benefit from the profits generated by the Blue Hill Mine being used to buy additional mining projects similar to The Blue Hill Mine”
7. “All BHM tokens are linked to a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine and 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform” (pg. 5).
8. “Blue Hill Mining’s vision to achieve this is backed by the 30% ownership of Blue Hill Mine and a top rated Swiss law firm/s protecting the interests of the BHM token holders by a trustee” (pg. 10).
9. Our vision is for BHM to be the most secure , transparent , scalable and pro fitable asset - backed security token to be listed on the top exchanges. Blue Hill Mining’s vision to achieve this is backed by the 30% ownership of Blue Hill Mine” (pg. 10).
10. “All profits generated from the Blue Hill Mining platform and the continued sale of the raw materials to the market will without doubt make BHM tokens exponentially scalable ” (pg. 10).
11. “Part of the Blue Hill Mining profits generated from the platform and sale of raw materials will be used to repurchase BHM tokens and the repurchased BHM tokens will be burned” (pg. 12).
12. “Part of the profits will be used to acquire additional mining exploration projects under the BHM token. BHM will retain a 30% ownership of each and every additional mining exploration project without issuing additional BHM Tokens” (pg. 12).
13. “The Blue Hill Foundation is a Netherlands based Foundation ( Stichting) that already owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining Explo - ration Project and partner in the Blue Hill Mining Project” (pg 16).
14 “Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG is a Swiss Public Limited Company (in incorporation). Blue Hill Mining corporation will be responsible to increase the number of mining exploration projects as well as the Royalty/Agreement…” (pg. 16).
15. “STO SPECIAL PURPOSE VEHICLE COMPANY (SPVS)…STO SPVs companies will be incorporated in Malta & Switzer- land and will be fully licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA. Thereon the intention is to be licensed under the U.S. Security and Exchange commission regulators SEC. The STO SPVs will own 30% of the Blue Hill Mining Project” (pg. 16).
16. “BHM tokens are security tokens…BHM tokens do not share the properties of paper securities…Know Your Client (KYC) procedures will be implemented…” (pg. 16).



The purpose is threefold, to extract information from the white-paper(s) regarding the Blue Hill Mining company business structure, the BHM\BHF tokens and the STO\Company structure. A summary of this data follows.



https://www.bluehillmining.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf


Findings\Discussion


There is a security token called Blue Hill Mining (BHM) Token, which is obviously classified as a security. Having the BHM token means you have 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine Project, which is LINKED to the physical Mine, as it holds the licence numbers 14307X and 14308X (1).

It clearly states  The Blue Hill Mine Project is a singular entity as the BHM tokens are directly linked to the ownership of this Project. So far your ownership is in the PROJECT, not a Mine or another business (1).


The BHM token not only holds ownership of the The Blue Hill Mine Project (not the physical Mine) but (2); The BHM security token also has an entitlement of 30% of the Blue Hill Platform - peer to peer network - connecting mine companies, smelters, logistic companies, banks and multinational companies (2).

BHM Token:
      
   The Blue Hill Mine Project (30%)
   Blue Hill Platform (30%)

Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% of the physical Mine in Mongolia, and its name is Blue Hill Mine, and it holds the licences (3). Incidentally the physical Mine -Blue Hill Mine is also referred to as Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project (13)

Blue Hill Foundation:

   Blue Hill Mine (24%) Physical Mine

We can read on page 4 of the white-paper reconfirmation the BHM token is secure and has 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine PROJECT, this is not the physical Mine (4). The profits generated by the Mine will be shared out to the BHM token holders (5), and in the future similar projects will be bought (6). On page 5 we again have reconfirmation there are two entities, the Blue Hill Mine Project and the Blue Hill Platform that re-establishes the BHM LINK to ownership of the Mine and 30% ownership of the Platform (7). At this point there still is no ownership of the physical Mine for BHM token holders, only a mention of a LINK.

Found within the Blue Bill Vision (pg. 10) it’s stated that there is a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine (8.). At no point has any information in THIS white-paper actually mentions the Blue Hill Foundation buying a extra 6% to complete the 30% ownership. In fact the statement already makes the point that this is already  “…backed by the 30% ownership” (8.), when in fact earlier on it says 24% (3). The white-paper states two different facts and not even trying to imply a buyback because it’s already done, it is backed. Very confusing indeed.

Just by reading this white-paper Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% or 30% of the physical Blue Hill Mine (8,9).

Blue Hill Foundation:

   Blue Hill Mine (24% and now its 30%(for what-ever reason))

Over the other page in the paper (pg. 10) we are told All profits generated from the Blue Hill Mining platform and sales of materials are put back into the BHM token increasing scalability, minus the profit paid out to BHM token holders of course (10). On page 12 we are then told PART of the profits from the platform are used to buy back BHM tokens (11). This is a contradiction, either ALL profits (minus payout to BHM token holders) are used to make the tokens more scalable or instead is this profit going to be used to buyback BHM tokens? Two very different statements making this matter more confusing.

It is also mentioned here that part of the profits will buy equipment under the BHM token, so now the profit is split many ways being used up, rather than ALL the profit being used for scalability like the paper suggests. The BHM token will keep 30% ownership of additional mining exploration projects without issuing more tokens (12). So any future projects will automatically entitle BHM token holders to 30% ownership.

BHM Token:
      
   The Blue Hill Mine Project (30%)
   Blue Hill Platform (30%)
   FUTURE Blue Hill Mine Projects (30% of FUTURE projects)


On page 16 we again have confirmation the Blue Hill Mining Project is SEPARATE from the other entities (13). A new term is now used “Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project”.

This connection to Blue Hill Foundation as the white-paper states it “already owns 24% of the Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project…” (13), referring to the 24% ownership of the physical Mine. The 24% ALREADY owned is referring to the physical mine (3) and now is termed Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project. Therefore the Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project is also the physical Blue Hill Mine.

We have also gone from  Blue Hill Foundation owning 24% (3) to 30% (9) and now referring back to a 24% (13) ownership as we read through the paper. Very confusing. We also know the Blue Hill Foundation is also a partner in the Blue Hill Mining Project, however it doesn’t give an ownership percentage (13).

We now know:

Blue Hill Foundation owns : (also see pg. 16 for addition company structure)

    24% or 30% or 24% Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project - (The physical Mine - Blue Hill Mine, in Mongolia) % are cleared up later.
    x % Blue Hill Mining Project



Company Structure


The “Blue Hill Mining Corporation AG” is responsible for mining exploration and royalty agreements that will generate income, which makes sense as they operate the physical Mine and located within the Swiss jurisdiction (14). For clarification “AG” means “Aktiengesellschaft” and it is a public limited liability company that can sell shares on the market.  NB: “A special purpose vehicle/entity is a subsidiary company with an asset/liability structure…may be designed for independent ownership, management and funding of a company...”. - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spv.asp


STO SPV

The STO SPV companies when licensed and incorporated will be in Malta, Switzerland and then the US. The key words here are “will be”, implying the companies are not yet (15). Remember the intent is only to be licensed, it says nothing about BHM being on the public market, and if it did go to market then it’s the company shares not the BHM token. The white-paper is vague. They are issuing you the token and you are holding it, they are not. Maybe it is the same thing, who knows as it is not clear.

The STO SPV companies are preparing (registering with 3 different sharemarkets) to list its shares on the open market in three countries.
These STO SPV companies in total will own 30% of the Blue Hill Mining Project (15).

   Blue Hill Mining Project  30% (owned by STO SPV companies in total and once the companies are licensed)


“BHM tokens are security tokens…BHM tokens do not share the properties of paper securities…Know Your Client (KYC) procedures will be implemented…” (16).

Before the purchase of any security asset , KYC will be implemented, with no anonymous accounts (16). The white-paper is clear that BHM is a SECURITY, however in the same breath “BHM tokens do not share the properties of paper securities” (16). This is an ambiguous dangerous statement and may mean:

   - paper securities incorporate features to prove ownership or to or authenticate, and the token does not prove ownership.
   - BHM is not a security

The statement is actually very dangerous. Be very careful believing anyone on the meaning of this, including what any Blue Hill say and what my interpretation is.  It only matters what the lawyers argue in court and what the judge says the definition is, when the crap hits the fan. You will win if your lawyer is generally more expensive than the opposing lawyer…cough…cough…

If indeed you can’t prove ownership of the security then you won’t be selling a security. This is not referring to KYC either as this is mentioned separately.
It is quite unusual to state this and especially to be ambiguous with the statement. The truth is it can mean anything so that is YOUR risk.


STO Structure


Most importantly we have the white paper STO Structure (pg. 16):


       
Blue Hill Foundation ——100% (a)——>——Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)— ———30% (b)—>——STO SPV’s (100% owned by Blue Hill)                                                    Blue Hill Mining           Blue Hill Mining                                              Issues BHM Tokens
                                                                                                    
                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                    
The diagram indicates that Blue Hill Foundation owns 100% of Blue Hill Mining AG (Switzerland). Blue Hill Mining AG owns 30% of the STO SPV companies. This would mean the Blue Hill Mining referred to (a and b in above diagram) are actually companies! Great!


The STO SPV companies, whose ownership to the Foundation that issue the BHM Tokens has only a 30% ownership to the Blue Hill Foundation. This is a very important fact to remember. Lets then follow the ownership from the foundation.

Blue Hill Foundation own 100% of Blue Hill Mining (a) and we assume owns 100% Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss). Blue Hill Mining AG own 30% of Blue Hill Mining (b) that own 100% of the STO SPV companies (that also own 30% of the Blue Hill Project). We are not able to place the physical Mine in Mongolia…yet.  NB: The Blue Hill Mining referred to (100%  of Blue Hill Mining in above diagram) is NOT the physical Mine in Mongolia as ownership in previous posts prove different company ownerships/business distributions leaving us to ASSUME the physical Mine is company Blue Hill Mining (b).

The STO SPV are different companies from the Blue Hill Foundation, the Blue Hill Mine and the Blue Hill Mining project. The company structure can be found in the diagram on page 16. What we find is that the STO SPV companies will be ISSUING the BHM tokens as seen in the diagram.


Extra information provided in the above diagram is that the STO SPV companies is 100% owned by Blue Hill Mining (AG). It is reasonable to assume it is Blue Hill Mining AG company is not the physical Mine in Mongolia given the information in the white paper has only ever referred to “Blue Hill Mining AG” separately to the physical Mine (which has only been referred to as Blue Hill Mining\ Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project) proving different entities.

The STO SPV companies will issue the BHM Tokens, given the 30% ownership to the Foundation.  Whatever amount is raised in capital (softcap $38.07 Mn) is distributed back to Blue Hill Mining and Blue Hill Foundation.


Conclusion


The The Blue Hill Mine Project, Blue Hill Platform and the Blue Hill Physical Mine are different entities throughout the white-paper.

BHM Token:                           
      
      The Blue Hill Mine Project (30%)               
      Blue Hill Platform (30%)
      FUTURE Blue Hill Mine Projects (30% of FUTURE projects)

Blue Hill Foundation owns :

      24% or 30% or 24% Blue Hill Mining Exploration Project - (The physical Mine - Blue Hill Mine, in Mongolia)
      x % Blue Hill Mining Project
      Company Structure (see pg 16 or above diagram)


BHM tokens have revenue\ownership of the current\future projects and the platform. BHM tokens have no ownership of a physical Mine, no ownership of ANY company. I  understand this.


We have also gone from  Blue Hill Foundation owning 24% (3) to 30% (9) and now referring back to a 24% (13) ownership of the physical Mine as we chronologically read through the  paper. Definitely confusing Bubba06255003, as no mention of a buyback or capital contribution in this paper. Maybe they bought back (started 24%) 6% to make it 30% then sold 6% again to have 24% ownership, as the paper reads it already is done, it has happened already. There is simply no clear information provided in this paper, the authors of the paper do not seem to know the ownership of the physical Mine or attempt to explain how this works. There is simply not enough info to draw conclusions here.

The STO SPV companies ARE NOT currently licensed under the FINMA, SEC and Malta and these companies will ISSUE the BHM security token. The security licensing referred to are the SPV companies preparing to sell shares publicly which has nothing to do with the BHM Token as the token has no ownership of these companies like a paper security would prove. See above what the BHM Token entitles, it is not these companies.  

There is NO mention in this white-paper on how the Blue Hill Project receives revenue or what actually it is, the paper only mentions how the Platform and physical Mine receive income. Blue Hill Foundation apparently co-own the physical Mongolian Mine. The capital raised from the STO is ISSUED by a company that Blue Hill Foundation has only a 30% ownership of (pg 16). We are told ALL profits from the platform are put back into BHM Token for scalability (minus profit to BHM token holders) and then told PART of the profits from the platform are used to buy back BHM tokens (11). What does that really mean, contradictory? It’s definitely NOT clear in this paper.

In this white-paper alone the company Business structure shows NO relationship on how the PHYSICAL Mongolian Mine is connected to Blue Hill Foundation. Yo are simply lead to draw your own conclusion. The schematic diagram on page 16 shows multiple companies called Blue Hill Mining (lablled a and b above), adding to confusion.

All in all you need to read a lot of information to find out what the BHM token entitles you to. The authors of the white-paper are unsure on what percentage ownership it has with the physical Mine in Mongolia. The papers says BHM Token is a security but since it doesn’t hold the same properties as a paper security it probably isn’t. There may not be a buy back of the token because all profits will used to increase scalability leaving none for the buy-back.  The paper mentioned no detail on exactly what the Blue Hill Project is and allows the reader to assume connections. The schematic diagram doesn’t label the  physical Mine in Mongolia and there is an ambigious company structure due to multiple identical company names. Not very clear and contradictory in places. The white-paper leaves the reader confused and is designed to do so.  
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1. “Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine alongside Blue Hill Mining. Blue Hill Foundation, as co-owner of the “Blue Hill Mine” (pg. 3)
2. “The two main roles of Blue Hill Foundation is firstly, to provide a seeding tool to raise money…for eventual listing on the Toronto Stock Exchange…and secondly provide an investment opportunity to enter the STO at the pre-sales stage at a preferential price”. (pg. 3)
3 “In essence Blue Hill Foundation tokens (BHF) are unregulated tokens during the PRE-STO, that are asset backed by (0.00000004%) co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine”. (pg. 3).
4. “BHF can be purchased at a preferential price at this PRE-STO phase, before the Blue Hill Mining STO launch. Every BHF token purchased will be automatically exchanged for the fully regulated asset backed BHM token (1 BHF token for 1 BHM token”. (pg. 3).
 5. “The token holders will benefit from the buyback plan, in which each token will be re-purchased at US$30 dollars via Listing in the Toronto Stock Market”. (pg. 3).
6. “This is done by re-investing the profits generated by the Blue Hill Platform and the sale of Copper, Nickle, Cobalt and Gold to purchase additional similar mines. The profits generated by these additional mines will be used to purchase more mines in the future under the BHM token, making this model scalable”. (pg. 3).
7. “Therefore, the dividends are paid to the token holders…as well as a token buy program…will be used to re-purchase up to 50% of the BHM tokens that will be burnt”. (pg. 3).
8. “STO – whitepaper that will explain the entire project as the BHF tokens will be swapped for the BHM tokens”. (pg. 4).
9. “BHF-Token…Unregulated asset backed tokens. Each BHF token is asset backed by (0.00000004%) co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine”. (pg. 4).
10. BHM-Token…asset backed token…0.00000004% of the Blue Hill Mine and 0.00000004% of future Blue Hill Platform”. (pg. 4).
11. “Currently, 24% of Blue Hill Mine is owned by Blue Hill Foundation, of which an extra 6% will be purchased during the PRE-STO phase, to make a total of 30% ownership…The balance of the Blue Hill Mine will be placed into a Toronto based Stock market Listed company”. (pg. 5).
 12. “At the completion of the Blue Hill Mining-STO, all the BHF tokens will be automatically exchanged for the fully Swiss regulated BHM tokens” (pg. 5).
 13. “The Blue Hill Mining security token (BHM) is a real mining project that is a scalable, asset backed security token directly linked to 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mining project (concession numbers 14307X and 14308X)”. (pg. 6).
14. “The BHM tokens also hold a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform (B.H.Platform)”. (pg. 6).
15. “The intention is for BHMining to be fully licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA and thereon the intention is to be licensed under the U.S. security and exchange commission regulators (SEC) “.(pg. 7)
16. “Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co owner of the Blue Hill Mine with concession numbers 14307X and 14308X. BHM token holders will benefit from the profits gener- ated by the Blue Hill Mine being used to buy additional mining projects similar to The Blue Hill Mine”. (pg. 7).
17. “The balance of the profits will be used to repurchase BHM tokens and then burn the repurchased BHM tokens”. (pg. 7).
18. “All BHM tokens are linked to a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine and 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform…” (pg. Cool.
 
All quotes from the Bill Hill Foundation white-paper https://bluehillfoundation.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf




pg 5 shows PRE and POST STO business structure.
pg 18 shows STO Structure the same as other white paper.


The purpose is threefold, to extract information from the white-paper(s) regarding the Blue Hill Mining company business structure, the BHM\BHF tokens and the STO\Company structure. A summary of this data follows

https://bluehillfoundation.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf

Findings\Discussion

It is confirmed in his white-paper that Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co-owner of the physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia but through the part-ownership of a company called Blue Hill Mine (1). The roles of Blue Hill Foundation is to provide seeding capital, list themselves on the Toronto Stock Exchange in Canada and to provide a PRE-STO sale for the BHF token (2).  The Pre sale STO BHF Tokens are unregulated and are backed by 0.00000004% co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine (3). You can buy these BHF Tokens now before the launch at a huge discount price. This BHF token will automatically be exchanged for the fully regulated BHM Token 1:1 (4).

Sating a “…24% co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine alongside Blue Hill Mining…” would indicate being a co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine (physical Mine) along side Blue Hill Mining, these would be two different entities.

   Blue Hill Foundation own 24% physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia through a company it part owns (we find out later this is not true).
   Blue Hill Foundation want to list on the Toronto Stock Exchange
   Blue Hill Foundation is responsible for the PRE-STO

   We can buy the BHF Token now at a discount
   This pre-sale is unregulated
   
   BHF-Token is backed by 0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine).
   
As we now have the BHF token being backed by a security of 0.00000004%, this would deem the BHF Token an unregulated SECURITY. This would mean the BHF Token should be registered because it is selling the token to people living in those countries or claiming to sell the token on the stock exchange??. The white-paper only states it is unregulated, NOT arguing if it is deemed a security. Unregulated would suggest no required registration is necessary however we know with the current changes in law of crypto-curriences ,they are now REGULATED.  This means the BHF Token requires to be officially registered BEFORE selling it (PRE or not) -its a SECURITY (it now has ownership of the Mine).

The paper says token holders will benefit from a buyback as each token will be bought back at US$30, via a listing in the Toronto Stock Market (5). This statement is very confusing. So far reading the white-paper in chronological order the Blue Hill Foundation are wanting to list the company on the Toronto Stock Market, and now we jump to the token is being bought for $30 on the Toronto Stock Market for a buyback. So far the paper has not said anything about how the tokens end up on a Stock Exchange.. How can they, it only says Blue Hill Foundation want to list its shares. How did the author of this white-paper jump important facts. What happened, it is not clear. So far the BHF token entitles you to a  0.00000004% to the physical Mine in Mongolia, not to the ownership of the Foundation where its wanting to be listed.

The Blue Hill Platform profits will be used to buy additional Mines (6), this is backed up on page seven but also states its share of profits from the physical Mine will be used to repurchase BHM tokens (16)
 
We can read that dividends will be paid out to the BHM Token holders and also profits will also be used to re-purchase up to 50% of the BHM tokens which will then be destroyed (7). Further confirmation that BHF tokens will be swapped for the BHM tokens are found on page four (Cool. Following up support on this page we can see the BHF token are stated to be unregulated but backed buy ownership of the physical Mine (0.00000004%) in Mongolia (9).

   Dividend payouts to BHM Token holders
   50% buyback of tokens at $30 each (then destroyed)

We also find something information about the BHM-Token, it is ALSO backed by 0.00000004% of the physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia (10)

   BHM-Token is backed by 0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine).

So now both BHF and BHM tokens are asset backed by the physical Mine.

On page five we read that CURRENTLY, 24% of Blue Hill Mine is owned by Blue Hill Foundation (11), which isn’t actually what the paper initially states. It stated the Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co-owner of the physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia via a PART-OWNERSHIP of a company called Blue Hill Mine (1). How it reads is confusing. Any how it states the  Blue Hill Foundation will buy 6% right now at this PRE-STO phase making a total of 30% (11). We know you cannot inject capital into a company unless you own 100% of it. So now we are left to believe Blue Hill Foundation company will be buying 6%, (since it cant give capital to a part owned that already owns 24%  of the Mine) whilst retaining the other “24% ownership” through a company it part owns. That means it doesn’t really own 30%. You can’t add your 6% to the Mine ownership through a part owned company that already owns 24% and say now the TOTAL is 30%.

Reading on we have repetition that at the completion of the Blue Hill Mining-STO, all the BHF tokens will be automatically exchanged for the fully Swiss regulated BHM tokens (12). The BHM Token is LINKED to the 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mining project (concession numbers 14307X and 14308X) (13).  The Blue Hill Mining project hold the mining licences (only the physical Mine can hold these) 14307X and 14308X, now making the PROJECT directly connected to the physical Mine in Mongolia (13). I can now understand the LINK to 30% ownership of the physical Mine as 6% will be bought by the Foundation and other is part owned through another company that holds the other 24%. The total doesn’t = 30% but is LINKED to the 30% ownership.

   Blue Hill Foundation - own 6% of the physical Mine in Mongolia the other 24% is through a partially owned company.
   Blue Hill Mining Project - Connected to Physical mine in Mongolia

We find that the BHM tokens also holds a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform (B.H.Platform) (14) and the intention is for BH Mining to be fully licensed under the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority FINMA and then the SEC (US) (15). As we can see the only company mentioned and shown in the schematic drawing on page five (Pre-STO) that is called BH Mining is the Blue Hill Mongolian Mine. So we have the Blue Hill Mongolian Mine wanting to list its shares in the Swiss markets and US.

   BHM tokens - 30% ownership of Blue Hill Platform

We again read that Blue Hill Foundation is a 24% co owner of the Blue Hill Mine (through another company) with concession numbers 14307X and 14308X and the share of profits from the physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia will be used to buy additional mines similar to this physical Mine (remember there is only one Blue Hill Mine mentioned on page five of company structure - the Mongolian Mine). (16). The remaining profits from the physical Mine will be used to repurchase BHM tokens (17) and used to buy additional Mines.

There is emphasis on page eight is that the BHM Tokens are LINKED to a 30% (6% plus 24% owned further down the chain) ownership of the Blue Hill Mine and 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform (18). There is no mention of a capital contribution down the 100% owned companies so Blue Hill Mining AG now own 30%. It simply is unsaid, however just  magically stated.

   BHM Tokens
      30% LINKED ownership of the Blue Hill Mine - Just a description of company structure.
      30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform
and      0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)

   BHF Tokens
      0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)
      Swap 1:1 for BHM Tokens

What we find in the Glossary and Key Terms in the white-paper is Blue Hill Foundation owns 24% of Blue Hill Mine. They don’t. Don’t forget there is only one company pre-STO that is seen on page five that is called BH Mining and IT IS  the Blue Hill Mongolian Mine (see diagram on white paper pg. 5). It is implied that the Foundation directly own 24% of the physical Mongolian Mine when in fact what is said is that 6% will be purchased directly and the other 24% through a partially owned company. How it is stated is very confusing for the reader. At no point is 30% owned directly.


PRE- STO Structure (pg. 5,18)

                                                                                                                                                 
Blue Hill Foundation ——100% (a)——>——Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)— ———30% (b)—>——STO SPV’s (100% owned by Blue Hill Mining)+(STO SPV 30% of the Blue Hill Mining Project)
      |          Blue Hill Mining            |                                                  Blue Hill Mining            |
      |                      |                                                                          |
      |                      |                                       Issues BHM Tokens (The investor)
      |                      |                                                          ($38.07 Mn)
      |                                     |——————<—————— ——————————— |
      |                                                                                                                                       |
                |——————————————————————<————————————————— |


What is claimed is that Blue Hill Mining (b) is the Mongolian Mining company as there is emphasis that the BHM Tokens are linked to a 30% ownership of the Blue Hill Mine (18). Reading through the white-paper we realise its is a vague statement - Blue Hill Mining (b). The  Mongolian Mining company. is NOT the company Blue Hill Mining (a) as the Foundation owns 100% of that company. Luckily on page 18 we have a detailed Pre STO company Structure that helps us.


Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)—100%—Blue Hill Foundation Holding (Dutch)—100%—Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)—24%—Blue Hill Mine (Mongolian)

The white paper implies the 24% ownership must be the physical Mongolian Mine as the “24%” has only ever been referred to the Mine. None of these percentages will show 30% ownership of the physical Mine as the paper says 6% is purchased directly of the Mongolian Mine (Foundation holds it) and the other 24% is owned much further down the company structure.  There is no clarity that there was a capital contribution. It just happened.

Combining both structures (because not info provided) we don’t see a DIRECT match:

                                                                   
BH Foundation Holding Dutch—100%—BH Foundation Dutch——100%——BH Holding——24%—BH Mine (Dutch) - physical Mongolian Mine                                                                                                                                                                                   
        
BH Foundation —100%—BH Mining (a)—100%—BH Mining AG (Swiss)—30%—BH Mining Dutch - Mongolian Mine(b)—100%—STO SPV’s Companies                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
 
BHl Foundation —100% (a)—>——BH Mining AG (Swiss)—30% (b)—>—STO SPV’s (100% owned by BH)                                        
Blue Hill Mining  Blue Hill Mining                                                          Issues BHM Tokens                                                                                                      
BUT NOW:

If we contributed 6% down the line to Blue Hill Mining AG, 30% would be owned. Its allowed as the companies down the line are 100% owned. However, it is a Dutch company, not Mongolian.

                                                                                                                                                                                      BH Foundation—100%—Blue Hill Mining (a)—100%—BH Mining AG (Swiss)—30%—BH Mining (b)—100%——STO SPV’s Companies                                                                                                                      


Then  the company structure\names are ||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Foundation||—100%—||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining||—100%—||Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)||—30%—||Blue Hill Mining (the physical Mine)|| —100%— ||STO SPV’s Companies ||


Conclusion

The white-paper is confusing and deliberately so as for the reader not to follow it. So many companies have the same names and multiple names. We find the authors either not sure how a 30% ownership of a company is obtained, giving schematic diagrams suggesting there is a 30% ownership but the reader must connect the dots after reading further on and with overlapping the diagrams it becomes apparent.  An un-apt like quality from the authors confuse the reader even more by saying Blue Hill Foundation IS a 24% co-owner of the physical Blue Hill Mine in Mongolia when in fact its via a PART-OWNERSHIP of a company (1) called Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss).

Sating a “…24% co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine alongside Blue Hill Mining…” (1) would indicate being a co-owner of the Blue Hill Mine (physical Mine) along side Blue Hill Mining, that there is ownership of two different entities.  The paper states the Blue Hill Foundation will buy 6% right now at this PRE-STO phase making a total of 30% (11) . What we originally did not know before was the TRUE layout of the business structure due to the capital contribution.

 Then  the company structure\names are ||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Foundation||—100%—||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining||—100%—||Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)||—30%—||Blue Hill Mining (the physical Mine)|| —100%— ||STO SPV’s Companies ||

So now

Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss) who owns 24% could own the other 6% (now making 30%). Altho the company structure shows this being a dutch mine, not Mongolian. But maybe the white paper forgot to draw in the Holding company that links it to Mongolia...cough...cough

The authors did not make this CLEAR from the beginning, I’m unsure if the authors of this paper even knew what they were writing jumping from topic to topic. It still doe not explain it being a Dutch company, when in fact the Mine is Mongolian. Maybe it's a holding company that not shown on the business structure.


BHF Tokens
      0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)
      Swap 1:1 for BHM Tokens

BHM Tokens
      30% LINKED ownership of the Blue Hill Mine - Just a description of company structure.
      30% ownership of the Blue Hill Platform - links to physical Mine
      0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)

The paper says token holders will benefit from a buyback as each token will be bought back at US$30, via a listing in the Toronto Stock Market (5).  We move from The Blue Hill Foundation listing on the Toronto Stock Market to the author skipping time and a buyback of $30 via a Toronto Stock Market listing will be competed for the token BHM. You cannot get shares from the company Blue Hill Foundation and the BHM token confused. The BHM token doesn’t entitle you to ownership of the parent company. Also you won’t be selling the BHM Token on the Stock exchange as it’s only a 0.00000004%. I’m a little unsure how this 30% profit from the Blue Hill physical Mine will benefit a 0.00000004% holder after all this money is spent on buying other Mines etc. I’m pretty sure you have to buy and sell whole equities on the stock exchange, not partial.

Listing a Token publicly is a little strange with such a low equity (0.00000004%), and most of the profits are seen spent elsewhere (50% re-purchase and buying additional Mines) withering away dividends that are paid out. You cannot sell the BHM token on this kind of PLATFORM. It is for share investments.

The BHF token being backed by a security of 0.00000004% makes it a unregulated SECURITY. This would mean the BHF Token should be registered because it is selling the token to people living in those countries or claiming to sell the token on the stock exchange??. It is however NOT!

The white-paper only states it is unregulated, NOT arguing if it is deemed a security as obviously it is owning part of a company. The papers says BHM Token is a security but since it doesn’t hold the same properties as a paper security it probably isn’t, it did not reference the BHF token.

The white paper was designed to baffle the reader, make them mis-understand information and it even lost the authors in what they were saying. Reading through the paper from the beginning to end there is nothing is clear and information is sporadic, often making the READER to decipher important data at the last minute to make sense of this shamble.

The white-paper leaves the reader confused and is designed to do so.  
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Blue Hill Summary on both White-Papers and Conclusion


1. https://bluehillfoundation.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf
2. https://www.bluehillmining.com/docs/whitepaper.pdf



Reading both of the white papers the reader finds integral information missing on the transition of selling the BHM Token on the open public stock market(s). One paper refers to Blue Hill Foundation public listing with the PRE STO, then starts talking about a Toronto stock listing, then the other white-paper begins referring to SPV companies listing on the Malta\SWISS\US stock exchanges (Q4 2019) then talks about how the BHM Token will be bought back from there. Absolutely no data to support how this will work being able to sell a token on the stock exchange. How do you transit from public companies wanting to list its stock to being able to list the BHM token is anyones guess. No info given about this, only how the token is used on the Platform.

Blue Hill Foundation will be issuing the PRE-STO BHF unregulated SECURITY token (1). The BHF Token should be registered as required by law with all securities BEFORE selling the token. This token is NOT registered and therefore illegal to sell in these jurisdictions. The white-paper only states that it is unregulated and the 0.00000004% ownership entitlement in the Mongolian Mine would make it a security.

Blue Hill Mining (2)  paper says BHM Token is a security but since it doesn’t hold the same properties as a paper security as it can’t prove ownership or to authenticate so it may not actually be anything at all, so won’t be selling that on stock exchange if you even could.  The paper is not clear on the buyback of BHM tokens as it states ALL the profits will used to increase scalability (buying Mines etc) leaving none for the buy-back. This white-paper is incomplete. It is not until you read the Foundations (1) paper where more information is shared.

The paper mentioned no detail, just is as vague with the Blue Hill Project and allows the reader to assume connections.

BHF Tokens
      0.00000004% of the physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)
      Swap 1:1 for BHM Tokens

BHM Tokens
      Blue Hill Mine (0.00000004%) -physical Mine in Mongolia (Blue Hill Mine)
      The Blue Hill Mine Project (30%)
      FUTURE Blue Hill Mine Projects (30% of FUTURE projects)

Blue Hill Foundation
      Blue Hill Mine 30%- thru 100% owned companies - physical Mine in Mongolia
      see Company Structure below

I am unsure why BHF tokens require it to be a security asset owning 0.00000004% of the Mine when in fact the token is going to be swapped 1:1 for the BHM token. Apparently this listing (BHM token or maybe BHF shares???) will happen on the  Malta\SWISS\US stock exchanges in the fourth quarter of 2019, this year. Then later in the second quarter of 2020 the BHM token will be available on crypto-exchanges according to the Foundation paper (1).  That doesn’t make any sense; the token being listed on a stock exchange. Any TOKENS, even with smart contracts are not available on the STOCK EXCHANGE, they are available on CRYPTO-PLATFORM (Crypto-Exchange).  It must be the company it is referring to selling shares on the market.. Basically it sounds like the company structure is listing and buying various stocks, and it has NOTHING to do with the BHM token HOLDERS.


The Blue Hill Mining white-paper (2) does not provide enough information to draw a conclusion on whether it owns 24%, 30% or 24% of the Mongolian Mine. The way it reads the authors are confused stating it currently owns 24% then its 30% and near the end of the paper it is back to saying its 24% again. When we read the Foundation (1) white-paper independently we also find early on there again isn’t enough data to support this varying ownership figures. It is not until reviewing the company structure (1)  near the end of the paper we can draw to the conclusion with many companies having multiple same names and different names the structure PRE-STO is:


Company Structure:                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                      
BH Foundation—100%—BH Mining (a)—100%—BH Mining AG (Swiss)—30%—BH Mining (dutch) (b)—100%—STO SPV’s Companies                                                                                                                                 24%+6%
                                                

Then  the company structure\names are ||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Foundation||—100%—||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining||—100%—||Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)||—30%—||Blue Hill Mining (the physical Mine)|| —100%— ||STO SPV’s Companies ||.

What is missing from the business diagram from the white paper is how Blue Hill Mining, which is suppose to be the physical Mine in Mongolia claim it is Dutch on the diagrams. The diagrams are INCORRECT and Blue Hill Mining must be the holding company that owns the Mine, which is NOT shown. This adds to more confusion, or are the authors just confused.

Reading the white-papers individually we find there is not enough information to give the reader a clear understanding of the STO BHF\BHM token structure or the associated company structures. The white-paper is suppose to be clear and precise, that it is NOT. We see huge gaps in the data that leaves the reader confused.  

A combination of both papers would reveal what the TOKENS entitle the holder to, but requires a massive amount of reading to decipher this. What makes this more difficult to read is data shows the same numbers are repeated over and over but for other irrelevant data.  It is NOT recommended to read Blue Hill Mining white-paper (2) first, as company structure described in this paper does NOT match what is described in the Blue Hill Foundation (1) paper.

Reading the Blue Hill Mining white-paper (2) first would give you some information on the BHF token, however it severely lacks in detail with the BHM token. Then when reading the latter paper after the first would confuse the reader further as company structure is labelled different and company relationships are not clear.

There is no reason for the BHF token to have a 0.00000004% ownership of the Mine since it is going to be swapped 1:1 for the BHM token. Sounds like a ruse to encourage people to buy the token. But this now makes BHF a  SECURITY token that IS NOT registered, therefore illegal to sell. Unregulated does not mean it is not a security. We also find the Blue Hill Mining white-paper (2) has no idea of the ownership of the physical Mine, as there is important info missing ie. capital contribution of the 6%.


What we know as FACT:


The physical Mongolian Mine that holds the licences (14307X and 14308X) is called BAYAJTATU, and in Kyrgyz it means “Finish”.
BAYAJTATU Mine has four owners: (http://opendata.burtgel.gov.mn/lesinfo/5167329) with the only Netherlands company connected,  is Rebus Corporation BV.


Both of the white-papers could not name the businesses involved, calling them multiple different names. The authors had no idea what the actual official names were until independent research was done revealing this scam. Now people are trying to force this FACT into a fabricated business model and it doesnt fit.

Rebus Corporation BV:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://drimble.nl/bedrijf/hilversum/37621467/rebus-corporation-bv.html&prev=search
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://www.oozo.nl/bedrijven/hilversum/noordwest/boomberg/1497088/rebus-corporation-b-v&prev=search
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fopendata.burtgel.gov.mn%2Flesinfo%2F5167329&sandbox=1

      
Rebus Corporation BV——x%——BAYAJTATU Mongolian Mine
(+ 3 other owners)                         (physical Mine)


Comparing the business structure found in the Foundation white-paper (1):


                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                               (the physical Mine)
BH Foundation —100%—BH Mining (a)—100%—BH Mining AG” (Swiss)—30%——BH Mining (b)—100%—STO SPV’s Companies  
                                                                      Rebus Corporation BV (~24%)      BAYAJTATU                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                    
            
                                                   
White-paper also refers the company names as: ||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Foundation||—100%—||Blue Hill Foundation (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining||—100%—||Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss)||—30%—||Blue Hill Mining (the physical Mine)|| —100%— ||STO SPV’s Companies ||



Great, so now:


The company Blue Hill Mining (b) is apparently called BAYAJTATU, both the white papers had this name wrong.  

The company that owns  30% of the Mongolian Mine is ALSO called (according to white-papers): Blue Hill Holding (Dutch)\Blue Hill Mining\Blue Hill Mining AG (Swiss) AND NOW with our facts is also called Rebus Corporation BV!!!!! Four DIFFERENT company names. Funny how neither white-paper actually had the Mine name correct when the name Rebus Corporation BV is actually right. RED FLAG

Maybe the Blue Hill Mining Dutch Company is a holding company that owns the Mongolian Mine. Ashame the diagrams in both white papers DON'T demonstrate this, nor does it describe it.

If fact the Foundation paper (1) is very specific saying the company owner of the Mongolian Mine is NAMED  “Blue Hill Mining AG” and is Swiss, however the paper was wrong - it’s actually Rebus Corporation BV - apparently.

We now know the company is called Rebus Corporation BV (reality), not Blue Hill Mining AG as we were told. Very very confusing, no names were correct in the white-papers. RED FLAGS everywhere.

I don’t blame us getting confused with our arguments because the reader is left to put it together.


Knowing that real names and business structure you then state Bubba06255003 “This is the official website that shows the shareholders of Bayajtatu!! What more do you want. Rebus Coporation BV is the parent company of BHF”. It does not show that. We find your model does NOT fit. Using your model and combining it with the white paper business model:


Bubba06255003 Business Model:



                                                                    (BH Foundation)                  (BH Holding)                  (physical Mine)
Rebus Corp BV—100%—BH Foundation—100%—BH Mining (a)—100%—BH Mining AG (Swiss)—30%—BH Mining (b)—100%—SPV’s Corp
                                                                                                            (Blue Hill Mining)


So now Blue Hill Mining (b) is NO longer Bayajtatu according to you, DIFFERENT to how the white-paper describes the relationships. Either you are wrong or both white-papers are. How does Blue Hill Foundation end up owning 30% of Bayajtatu as described if its parent company Rebus Corporation BV is suppose to own the Mine. It CANNOT, both papers state otherwise. Under your model Rebus Corporation BV own and run Blue Hill Foundation and Bayajtatu.

Both papers describe a different model to this. The papers also do NOT described Rebus Corporation BV giving profits from its Mine, down stream to the Foundation or the like for the BHM token or projects. No mention of this at all.

Another alternative would be if Rebus Corporation BV were the parent of Blue Hill Foundation and ALSO Blue Hill Mining (b) was Bayajtatu Mine (as mentioned by the white-papers), then Blue Hill Mining AG\Blue Hill Mining would be LISTED with Rebus Corporation BV, энxaмгaлaн, цэвээн and Энx-Aмгaлaн as owners of the Mine, but it is NOT http://opendata.burtgel.gov.mn/lesinfo/5167329 It would also mean Blue Hill Mining AG owns 30% (of Mine) and Rebus Corporation BV owning 30% (of Mine), which is definitely not mentioned in the white-papers, however since the company name is missing off http://opendata.burtgel.gov.mn/lesinfo/ this model is wrong.


BlueHill has NO relationship with the company Bayajtatu, the Mongolian Mine. There is simply NO connection.


Conclusion on White-Papers


So reading the white papers individually only provides partial information about the business structure, BHF token, BHM token and various projects. Both are written in a confusing manner often repeating same figures that are not related to each other. Important information is missing on how a token could be available on the share market. When combining both papers in their entirety we can see a business model appear, but only after the reader connects the dots, which are elaborate. No clear layout or structure. Even the authors of the papers were lost. BHF token is a security but unregulated. It is illegal to sell because of this fact. The BHM token is also a security, however because the BHM token does not have the same properties as a paper security, that prove ownership or to authenticate, it therefore probably isn’t a security - well...so say the white-papers.

The business model also does not fit with the known facts on who owns Bayajtatu. You also cannot sell tokens on a share-exchange (shares = 100% equity). The companies aforementioned seem to be undergoing various efforts to list themselves on the public market - meaning this has nothing to do with the BHM token being listed. Why does the BHF token need to have ownership of Bayajtatu Mine when there is a 1:1 swap.

 
Why make it a security?  A ruse to trick people into buying the token.

Making a PRE-sale BHF token a security (as it is not registered therefore illegal to sell in most jurisdictions) - then doing a 1:1 swap to the BHM security token, that probably isn’t a security. Doesn’t make sense.  

There are so many RED FLAGS reading both white-papers. The expectation would be clarity and at a minimum using real company names. None of this is shown. It was like the authors had no idea the real life connections. If you want to invest in a project thats not clear, can’t use actual names, needs the reader to connect the dots and at times is contradictory then go ahead - this is the SCAM for you.
                                                      
 
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Thanks for the LINK  Smiley
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Just adding some more information about Blue Hill Mining. Look's like the information is getting out about this scam.

Here's an article written about the STO Blue Hill mining claim they are doing. It was published by Venture Capital Hub @ Reuters and the article was called out to to be a SCAM by a scam hunter Jon Walsh (https://twitter.com/walshjonwalsh). Jon wrote to Reuters about running a piece illegally promoting investments in Blue Hill Mining. Reuters removed the article about Blue Hill promoting their STO from publication.

"Recently, Jon Walsh, who is a dedicated scam hunter (and thus someone we admire quite a bit) was disturbed to see a piece running on Reuters illegally promoting investments in Blue Hill Mining, an STO. The problem here was two-fold, in that it violated the regulations around promoting securities, and it’s also rather likely that Blue Hill Mining is itself a scam"... https://www.cointelligence.com/content/venture-capital-hub-reuters-scam/



Blue Hill Mining is a complete fraud, they are looking for your crypto to steal.

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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

Oh really?

If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."
Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for.

Because, in the Real World, GWE is just a E3k shell company also owned by serial bullshitter Adrian Jacuzzi of Mize, about which and whom the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC:



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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold..These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

This is the laughably absurd sort of bullshit that only MLM scammers (like Jacuzzi) can say with a straight face.





I would like to reiterate the warning issued by the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) against the Mize Network who are associated with the Blue Hill Mine/Foundation STO SCAM

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So, overall as far I can see we get:
1) Spanish officials warn against BHF's affiliates and mark them as scammers.
2) A series of illogical actions involving selling stock in Canada while registering in the US and Switzerland.
3) Not quite clear whether or not mine exists overall and if it does there is no proof of ownership
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So, overall as far I can see we get:
1) Spanish officials warn against BHF's affiliates and mark them as scammers.
2) A series of illogical actions involving selling stock in Canada while registering in the US and Switzerland.
3) Not quite clear whether or not mine exists overall and if it does there is no proof of ownership

You do a much better job summing this SCAM up than I.
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I would like to add some NEW information about the Blue Hill Mining/Foundation SCAM. More specifically the some of the pictures of the Team behind this SCAM and stolen video footage.  

Pedro Sabugueiro (see below for details) recently wrote an article on Blue Hill Mining/Foundation and have found some interesting discrepancies before investing his hard earned money.

Pedro found as we know, that the Blue Hill Mining/Foundation white paper contains plagiarised material and the physical addresses given don’t seem to match the current pictures provided. Pedro also provides information about the real Dr. Kurt Becker, and since this has all been previously discussed we will move on to the team members.



Using https://web.archive.org we can find old archives.

Enter Bluehillmining.com
Select 11 August 2018



Some of the photographs of the Blue Hill Mining team seem to have changed, and people have undergone head swaps. We also find an interesting addition to the team in this earlier version and stolen video footage used in a promotional video.  

The 2019 white paper shows Yannick Becker face, an Economics Assistant, but in the 2018 version it shows Sven Kotissek face and labelled an Industrial Engineering Assistant. Confused? A much younger guy is seen in the 2018 version being Yannick Becker an Economics Assistant. It becomes more confusing...

The real Sven Kotissek picture is found here at the Technische Universität Dortmund (https://www.wiwi.tu-dortmund.de/wiwi/de/fakultaet/personen/institut/or/OR-SVKO.html) and when compared to the 2019 picture of the team, the face and name now both match. A little weird another person was used in the previous version.


The other three team members (2018) Felipe Marques, Sunny Kumar and Miguel Silva all belong to a Portuguese marketing company, Be Myself (https://www.bemyself.pt/equipa/) and interesting enough their portfolio boasts a certain mining company; Blue Hill Mining.

Opening the old version (Aug, 2018) of the Blue Hill Mining white-paper and reviewing the “Partners” section, the company “Tokery” is seen. Reviewing Be Myself website product section. Tokery was actually developed by Be Myself. All very interesting.

In the 5 June 2019 version the portuguese guy who went by the name of Felipe Marques, is now Mr.Oliver Chappell. He apparently worked at UBS, Deutsche Bank and Goldman Sachs. I’m very confused over all these changes, someones head is coming off for this!  Cheesy

To further speculation one of Blue Hill Mining promotional videos (https://youtu.be/lluQGVOMucM ) has footage taken from the Prosper-Haniel Colliery, Germany’s last coal mine (that shuts - Footage: https://youtu.be/JoiPfujYQ3E ; Article: https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-last-black-hard-coal-mine-prosper-haniel-closes/a-46833824) and was owned by RAG (https://www.rag.de) not Blue Hill Mining.

Team members seem to be losing their heads over who they are. If a company is not sure of the names of their team members or what they do for a job, or the use of stolen video footage then I’m not sure what a RED FLAG is. Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is a SCAM!






The above information was paraphrased from:

By:          Pedro Sabugueiro
Date:       July, 31 2019
Title:       4 Reasons why Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is probably a scam
Published:    https://medium.com/@pedrodsabugueiro/4-reasons-why-blue-hill-mining-foundation-is-probably-a-scam-4321d4b0c08
 
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August 08, 2019, 10:53:23 PM
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Hey!
I'm the author of the aforementioned article "4 reasons why Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is probably a scam".
Just got this reply https://imgur.com/a/D59Il4z
"No escribas basura amigo! ganate la vida de otra forma!!" he says (meaning: Don't write bullshit my friend! Go make a living doing something else!!").

Just did a very quick search on this guy and found this:
http://zonanetworker.com/powermine

This guy is also trying to steal people's money.

Just adds up to the all scam.

Pedro

You can read the full article on Medium: https://medium.com/@pedrodsabugueiro/4-reasons-why-blue-hill-mining-foundation-is-probably-a-scam-4321d4b0c08
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August 08, 2019, 11:37:42 PM
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Also, BHF published this yesterday: https://medium.com/blue-hill-foundation/interesting-information-40c64d27ac01

"Do you know that the government of Mongolia is new to the mining sector? Nevertheless, it has already demonstrated great success and is rapidly developing the natural resources of its country".

No it isn't. Quoting Erdenet's Mining Corporation website (one of the largest mining companies in Mongolia):
"Erdenet Mining Corporation (EMC or Erdenet) was established in accordance with an agreement between governments of Mongolia and (former) Soviet Union. It started its operation in 1978."
https://www.erdenetmc.mn/en/

By the way there's a (legit) mining company in Mongolia called Turquoise Hill. Turquoise looks like a shade of blue Grin
https://www.turquoisehill.com/

Also found this website called Invest Mongolia with a list of foreign mining companies. No BHF.
https://www.invest-mongolia.com/mining/foreign-mining-companies

Curiosity - This company, Mongold, says to be running a mining operation in Bayankhongor, where BHF was supposed to hold part of a mine.
https://mongold.com/pages/mining
So does this one, Gobi Coal and Energy.
https://www.gobicoal.com/?page=34

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August 09, 2019, 06:24:53 AM
Last edit: August 10, 2019, 07:13:22 AM by Crypto-Info
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Hey!
I'm the author of the aforementioned article "4 reasons why Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is probably a scam".
Just got this reply
"No escribas basura amigo! ganate la vida de otra forma!!" he says (meaning: Don't write bullshit my friend! Go make a living doing something else!!").

Just did a very quick search on this guy and found this:
http://zonanetworker.com/powermine

This guy is also trying to steal people's money.

Just adds up to the all scam.

Pedro

You can read the full article on Medium: https://medium.com/@pedrodsabugueiro/4-reasons-why-blue-hill-mining-foundation-is-probably-a-scam-4321d4b0c08


Thank-you for your reply and additional information. The more awareness that is created the more people will know that Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is a SCAM.

Your article reaches an audience that is beyond Bitcointalk. It takes hours for all that research you did, so others can benefit and not be SCAMMED. So thank-you again
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August 09, 2019, 06:51:14 AM
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Just adding another article that links the scam Mize Network with the scam Blue Hill Mining/Foundation.

Summary

"Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network has collapsed again, prompting the launch of PowerMine...POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy...BHF tokens appear to be new, with whatever token was used in PowerNodes being abandoned. As for Blue Hill Mining, it doesn’t exist beyond a website set up to dupe investors. The ruse behind the company is imaginary mining operations in Mongolia".

Date 30 May 2019
published: https://behindmlm.com/companies/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/
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August 10, 2019, 07:08:36 AM
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⭐️ We would like to continue introducing you to the professional team of  Blue Hill Mining project, and today we would like to talk about another participant – Industrial engineering assistant SVEN KOTISSEK!

⭐️ SVEN KOTISSEK is a graduate in Industrial engineering (bachelor's degree) from the University of Dortmund. He has practical experience in project management, is a real expert in the field of information technology and a professional analyst in the field of financial engineering and modeling.

⭐️ To contact SVEN KOTISSEK and ask him your questions about  Blue Hill Mining project, reach him at his personal email address sk@bluehillmining.com or right in the comments below this post!

🔺 Learn more about the team of the project Blue Hill Mining on our site https://www.bluehillmining.com/ in the section "Team".






Sven Kotissek (and Yannick Becker) are different people in your Aug 2018 version of the white paper:








Blue Hill Mining/Foundation is a SCAM



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August 20, 2019, 06:45:22 AM
Last edit: August 20, 2019, 07:42:38 AM by Crypto-Info
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Here are just a couple of examples used by the Blue Hill Mining Scam promotional Video (https://youtu.be/KI4zH_d3GAc). All content is bought. This is a SCAM




BHM You Tube 0:18
- https://www.shutterstock.com/pl/video/clip-23285338-large-excavator-working-quarry-ship-ore-big for $US79



BMH You Tube 0:22

-Thanks https://depositphotos.com/197955532/stock-video-gold-nuggets-falling-wooden-table.html


 
BHM You-Tube 0:33

https://i.imgur.com/Qx8g0KJ.png Shutter Stock video- https://www.shutterstock.com/pl/video/clip-18535487-close-shot-hand-anonymous-prospector-geologist-holding only for US$79



BMH You Tube 0:28 promotional Video

Thanks ShutterStock again for your video https://www.shutterstock.com/pl/video/clip-1025952686-pouring-molten-copper-into-molds-foundry-


I only chose a couple of examples at random, and I was only 33 sec into the video. I intentionally did not name all the examples in the first 33 seconds as I don't have all day to write them up.  The video is 3min 19 sec long so we can imagine how many purchased video clips/photo content are being passed off as Blue Hill Mining.


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September 01, 2019, 04:08:50 AM
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BLUEHILL MINING CAN BECOME AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT.



8. In this group they comment that the mine exists and is registered in the name of the company BAYAJTATU so it is believed that Bluehill Mining does not exist, however in the technical documents they do not ignore this fact, they really refer to BAYAJTATU as owner and they state that they bought a part of all the land that BAYAJTATU owns just last year, however, because it was a recent purchase, BAYAJTATU for still having the largest amount of the land, the official pages of Mongolia still register as owner the company BAYAJTATU.

I can't show everything, for confidentiality issues.



Useless point using an old certificate (2007) to prove the licence was previously held by Bayajtatu, it didn't back up your point.

What would be great if an up-to-date database could be accessed and be provided by an independent source...I don't know...like the official Mongolian website... that would clear everything up about this company (Bayajtatu) and making it easy to find Blue Hill Mining/ Foundation or whatever name is given this time. It's great that land area is specifically recorded especially when dealing with precious minerals - it is all carefully documented. It's also nice the online data base has recently been upgraded to show up-to-date info on company licensing as required by law.



https://www.mining-mongolia.com/list
https://www.mrpam.gov.mn
http://geonet.mris.mn/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search#/home
https://webgis.mris.mn/#/
http://mrpam.gov.mn/mrpam/indexen.html

https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn/analysisByCompany/2045  <------Bayajtatu licences (XV-00014307 and XV-00014308) VALID UNTIL 2020

And they didn't sell any land recently either as fraudulently indicated,  as the licences are granted with the exact land areas and have been carefully documented with this INDEPENDENT website. And it is UP-TO-DATE!

So when you claim Blue Hill Mining "... bought a part of all the land that BAYAJTATU owns just last year, however, because it was a recent purchase...the official pages of Mongolia still register as owner the company BAYAJTATU". WRONG!



The Mongolian Gov have an online Cadastre Division - MRPAM that provides a written report dated  July, 2019 and covers all national/foreign companies involved with mining. https://www.mrpam.gov.mn/article/133/ (these are monthly reports - https://www.mrpam.gov.mn/public/pages/133/stat.report.2019.07.eng.pdf english version).

Check out 3.7. in the above report. LIST OF COMPANIES REGISTERED WITH INTERNATIONAL STOCK EXCHANGE COMPANIES OPERATING IN MONGOLIA'S MINING SECTOR, 2018-2019

or

3.8. LIST OF COMPANIES REGISTERED WITH INTERNATIONAL STOCK EXCHANGE COMPANIES OPERATING IN MONGOLIA'S MINING SECTOR, 2018-2019

or

Check out the topic: COUNT OF VALID LICENSES AND AREA SIZE (and also https://e-reporting.eitimongolia.mn/analysisByCompany/2045)



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