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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.
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Just to add this is not the first time I have come across a scam Mining company trying to have a STO/ICO.

Years ago (2016?) Bonanza was being sold on C-CEX by "Rouge Mountain Mining Group​".

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AYwsdxbUHqQJ:lostdutchman-mine.com/ico+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz&client=safari
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The physical addresses mentioned on Blue Hills website as found by member GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368):

SWITZERLAND
Haupstrasse 71
9113 Degersheim

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hauptstrasse+71,+9113+Degersheim,+Su%C3%AD%C3%A7a/@47.3733102,9.1976267,3a,75y,136.95h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5s7qmMyEr5TqO9jP6Virng!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D5s7qmMyEr5TqO9jP6Virng%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D136.95372%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x479addbe7428b0f7:0xd984f6c8cdccbaaf!8m2!3d47.3732631!4d9.1977112

GERMANY
Loewen-Koester Strasse 6
D-44534 Lünen

https://www.google.com/maps/place/L%C3%B6wen-K%C3%B6ster-Stra%C3%9Fe+6,+44534+L%C3%BCnen,+Alemanha/@51.6266816,7.5270322,80m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b90fc22eb14621:0x23676a9396c76492!8m2!3d51.62667!4d7.52735

So I wouldn't be using this as home base.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO
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Just going to connect some more names to the Mize Network Scam.

Mize Network is run by Adrian Jacuzzi, and already classified by behindmlm as a scam.

Kaleem Ahmed and Lee O’Shea are also implicated with this Blue Hill Mining Token.

They are behind the Americans serving Americans scam. Other names associated with this are Charles Scoville and William Bryant.

https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

I am yet to see the associated names having a direct link to the Blue Hill Ming Token scam, however, have included these names for future reference.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf

Do you realise that video link you provided collaborates the link between BlueHills Mining\Foundation, the Mize Network and POWERMINE, a known scam?
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.

Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Once again I implore you to READ the whitepaper before spreading fud
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June 09, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....

Have you even seen the quality of the video let alone the distance that "speaker" was standing to the camera. Anyways I haven't invested so no loss.

But just to recap you are happy investing in a project that is:

Related to known scam projects. Have no idea what your jurisdiction classifies as a security, otherwise you wouldn't of posted that I don't know what I was talking about. Believes a high profile man as Dr Kurt Becker would waste his time on Bitcointalk to sell his project and top of that have very minimal video views. On that note,  there were only a few present, with such a large project and STO one would expect many people in attendance. Also not having financial prospectus that the financial body would accept wouldn't be something you would risk? Oh, and a large STO joining a brand-new network like Mize that is unproven....yes it all sounds very real solid project here, nothing suspicious...pffft.

Don't get me started on who has the license to mine in Mongolia in this area. You realise that it is public. I know you would have look it up before investing, correct? I did. Do you due diligence.

I also provided you the real contact details for Dr Kurt Becker so if you are unsure you could contact him yourself.


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June 09, 2019, 10:47:24 AM
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Blue Hill Foundation claims to be a 24% co-owner of the the “Blue Hill Mine” located located in Mongolia in between the two industrial giants of Russia and China.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2604565 <----- SCAM Bitcointalk ID
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0 <----- SCAM
https://www.bluehillmining.com <----- SCAM
https://bluehillfoundation.com <----- SCAM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4701035.0  <----- SCAM already mentioned!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.new#new  <----- SCAM already mentioned!

They CLAIM you can buy BHF tokens and thus have the rights to co-ownership of the Blue Hill Mine. They also CLAIM B.H.Mining-STO is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering with target investment returns up to 3,340%.

Let's take a look at some legal ramifications on purchasing a security based asset such as this STO, the authors claims on this project and some history to tie these points together.


Can you invest in this STO?

I highly doubt it. As with most countries any company wanting to sell a security (i.e. shares or STO) must be registered BEFORE the sale of a security. This gives you the investor assurance the information produced is accurate and correct so you can make an informed decision. A better way to put this if they are not registered BEFORE the sale of the STO then it's ILLEGAL.

In the country you abide in will have their own Financial Authority.

This STO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145356.0) says it is a fully Swiss regulated Security Token Offering. On their dedicated websites it states that they are not but intend to be registered. <------ This is illegal to sell a security before being registered.

FINMA and SEC have no record thus it is illegal to sell this security in those countries. You will need to check your own residential laws.

https://www.finma.ch/en/authorisation/insurance-intermediaries/vermittlerportal/suche/
https://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html


The Authors claim on your Return

A target investment return up to 3,340% is expected. This is far beyond the normal expectations of any legal registered business that this figure alone is a red flag. To further add suspicion where is the detailed financial forecasts that lead us to this 3,340% return?

Statement found on their website “...By investing into the BHF one can double the ROI as the BHF tokens can be purchased for a discounted price (although BHF token prices will increase during this offering)”. Typical outrageous statements meant to catch peoples attention

Whitepaper

I'm not too sure where to start with this but would like to thank (https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/) for the following information:

Firstly stated in the white paper "The Blue Hill Mining team has over twenty-five years of experience in the mining and banking indus-tries working for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS" which is a VERY big statement considering the FAKE team.

Nine members are listed on the Blue Hills Website yet NONE of them have any social media presence. Any corporate dealing with the companies Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Hypo Bank, VTB Bank, Morgan Stanley and UBS would have a link to a social media account. The fact that they do not is highly suspicious.

Their whitepaper is PLAGIARISED!

A quote from their white paper “The Blockchain is an incorruptible digital ledger of economic transactions that can be programmed to record not just financial transactions but virtually everything of value. Information held on a Blockchain exists as a shared and continually reconciled database. The Blockchain database is not stored in any single location, meaning the records it keeps are truly public and easily verifiable, staying on the Blockchain permanently. Blue Hill Foundation will bring more efficiency and transparency using Blockchain technology in the below mentioned 5 ways, revolutionizing the mining industry that is still ineffective and opaque in the traditional way.

Running this through a plagiarism software package Essay Writing Service we find that this was copied from Blockgeeks. No company of this size or reputation would do this.

https://i2.wp.com/www.cryptoinfowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/Bluehill-foundation.png?resize=768%2C450&ssl=1

Original article: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/bluehill-foundation-would-you-trust-this-mining-company/


History

A quick google search links Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network to the recent launch of PowerMine. Mize Network launched last year and with the introduction of a crypto ponzi scam PowerMine. You can search this yourself.

POWERMINE is a BHF-Tokens package (asset-backed tokens) that allows you to participate in the PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation as a financing strategy.

https://powermine.net states "One key characteristic of POWERMINE is that it’s limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members".

Of course this is not true as you can see from going to the scam sites https://www.bluehillmining.com and  https://bluehillfoundation.com

By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam.

Fortunately Adrian Jacuzzi’s Mize Network and the launch of PowerMine have linked bluehillmining, bluehillfoundation together.

https://reviewfye.com/powernodes-collapses-mize-network-reboots-with-powermine/


Conclusion


You have been tricked to believe if you are under the jurisdiction of the FINMA and SEC and can buy the token legally, you cannot. People in other jurisdictions will have to check their laws. However this token is a scam...

Having an outrageous return of up to 3,340%, or at a minimum double your ROI as they state on the bluehillsfoundation.com website raises immediate red flags.

The team members claim they have over 25 years of experience in the mining and banking industry working for various large companies aforementioned, yet none of these companies have any links with BlueHills Foundation nor is there any social media links to the team members. Another red flag.

The whitepaper is plagiarised from Blockgeeks. This wouldn't be easily missed by a large company issuing a STO legally as many lawyers and accountants would have been over the paperwork with a fine tooth comb. At minimum a reference would have been included.

We now have a person of interest. The Mize Network (that failed) was launched last year then followed by a ponzi pyramid scam PowerMine - that were offering limited and exclusive for the registered Mize Network’s members to purchase a PRE-STO, a gateway to Blue Hill Mining, which is made by Blue Hill Foundation. Oh, only for €25,000 EUR to register for the Mize Network. Of course a simple google of this scam we can see that this statement is also wrong. Another lie. Any how Adrian Jacuzzi name has now been linked to this scam.

There are also many other red flags, such as lack of registration in various countries, no physical address for these companies nor the mention of this STO from their so called affiliates\partners.

This doesn't look like some developer/person trying to make a business out of crypto and making a shit show of it, but rather a deliberate scam to take your money.

Do your research regarding 'can you invest in an STO'

What is being sold is BHF tokens, which once the company is registered with FINMA, will be exchanged 1 to 1 with BHM tokens.

Right now, this 'pre-sale' is NOT for BHM tokens as they can only be sold, as you said, once officially registered.
There are no rules being broken as a security is not being sold.

If you bothered to read the terms and conditions you would see this clearly stated in there. This is an opportunity to reserve BHF tokens which will be exchanged to BHM once officially registration with FINMA is approved at a cheaper price before officially release.

It's still classified as a security because the intent is to swap BHF to BHM. People are buying BHF knowing a security will be issued to them in the future. It is the intent you purchased the asset for.

If you want to more on what is classified as a security in your country then I suggest checking out your local jurisdiction that governs this.

Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Once again I implore you to READ the whitepaper before spreading fud

You need to know what your jurisdiction says a security is. I'm just telling you what the FINMA and SEC say a security is. It is the intent you purchase the asset. If you don't live there then you have to find out your own laws.

There are two arguments here:

Scam

If you can buy the STO token.
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Just to be clear in regards to the Fake Team:

Dr Kurt Becker - A real person whose identity has been stolen for the use of this scam.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-becker-6a60731a/

A very quick visit to the website: https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search would reveal the real Dr Kurt Becker's contact details:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.immoraising.de/team&prev=search

Contact:
E-Mail: kb@immoraising.de
Tel .: 02 306/91 04 51 3


Here are all the companies the real Dr Kurt Becker is involved with:

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=https://www.northdata.de/German%2BGlobal%2BMining%2BHolding%2BAG,%2BL%25C3%25BCnen/Amtsgericht%2BDortmund%2BHRB%2B29757&xid=25657,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259&usg=ALkJrhjQxRa9det9jM9xDt_TAa4dFTPMZw

https://www.northdata.de/Becker,+Kurt,+Lünen/15w5 <------- The real compnies Dr Kurt Becker is involved in.



When you search the real Dr Kurt Becker social profile can you find anything to do with the Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?

When you search the above link that shows all the companies that the real Kurt Becker is involved with can you see Blue Hill Mining\Foundation?



NO

Ok so you accept Dr Kurt Becker is a real person with a history of working for large institutions, but you don't see the connection with BHM/BHF (even though there are videos on the website with him explaining the blue hill project)

Well here is another video with Dr Kurt Becker going into detail about the BHM project. Skip to 30 minutes

https://www.facebook.com/MizeNetworkOfficial/videos/1985092791799076/

Good question.

DeepFake Video.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/05/23/deepfake-ai-can-turn-mona-lisa-convincing-real-person/

or an older article - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLoI9hAX9dw <<<------ Example (2018)

ICOEthics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110020.msg51402152#msg51402152

For a more in depth study into this DeepFake Video phenomena you could refer to a paper "Few-Shot Adversarial Learning of Realistic Neural Talking Head Models", by Egor Zakharov, Aliaksandra Shysheya, Egor Burkov, Victor Lempitsky, Samsung AI Center, Moscow and Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.08233v1.pdf


Are you for fricking real???!!!!

You think it's a fake video. That's your evidence??. SMH.

I'm lost for words. If you said he had a gun put to his head that would hold more weight. Just goes to show you can't come back to refute the video so let's try some hocus pocus crap to justify your view

Fact is it's a REAL video with the REAL Kurt Becker. This just refutes ALL your 'arguments' in one.

BTW you ask how a company gives 3000% plus returns on tour investment.

Have you even bothered to read the whitepaper?? The part where RoyalHaskoving DVG independently analysed the mine and according to their calculations based on the minerals found in 10% of the mine, they estimate each token to rise to a value of $30.

I suppose Royal Haskoving are a scam too....

Have you even seen the quality of the video let alone the distance that "speaker" was standing to the camera. Anyways I haven't invested so no loss.

But just to recap you are happy investing in a project that is:

Related to known scam projects. Have no idea what your jurisdiction classifies as a security, otherwise you wouldn't of posted that I don't know what I was talking about. Believes a high profile man as Dr Kurt Becker would waste his time on Bitcointalk to sell his project and top of that have very minimal video views. On that note,  there were only a few present, with such a large project and STO one would expect many people in attendance. Also not having financial prospectus that the financial body would accept wouldn't be something you would risk? Oh, and a large STO joining a brand-new network like Mize that is unproven....yes it all sounds very real solid project here, nothing suspicious...pffft.

Don't get me started on who has the license to mine in Mongolia in this area. You realise that it is public. I know you would have look it up before investing, correct? I did. Do you due diligence.

I also provided you the real contact details for Dr Kurt Becker so if you are unsure you could contact him yourself.




Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.
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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

Oh really?

If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."
Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for.

Because, in the Real World, GWE is just a E3k shell company also owned by serial bullshitter Adrian Jacuzzi of Mize, about which and whom the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC:



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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold..These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

This is the laughably absurd sort of bullshit that only MLM scammers (like Jacuzzi) can say with a straight face.



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GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies

Oh really?

If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."
Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for.

Because, in the Real World, GWE is just a E3k shell company also owned by serial bullshitter Adrian Jacuzzi of Mize, about which and whom the Spanish National Securities Market Commission ( CNMV ) has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC:

https://i.imgur.com/PVSaVyh.png

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BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold..These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

This is the laughably absurd sort of bullshit that only MLM scammers (like Jacuzzi) can say with a straight face.




This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency.

You ask about the big companies GWE works with, well dont fret. After the sale of the BHF tokens finishes, the next STO will be released. Then you will have your 'evidence'.

Funny how you cant see any new faults with BHM, Kurt Beckers 'real' video, RoyalHaskoning DHVs audit, SWISSCOMs association with BHM. Are they all in on this elaborate scam as well??
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The fact that they are advertising some sort of buyback plan with a target yield of 3,000%+ means that it's either a ponzi scheme, or just a completely misleading advertising campaign to lure people into investing.

I don't see any tangible proof on the site that they currently own the land that they say will be used to mine certain minerals, nor proof that they've gotten the necessary approvals to start this process once the sale starts.

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Do your research! BHF tokens are being sold NOT BHM tokens so no securities are being sold

These technicalities allow the BHF tokens to be sold at a discounted price for early investors

Try convince the SEC or any other regulatory body around the world that this is the case. I highly doubt they'll be dumb enough to say just because a swap is happening, this is somehow not a security.

Anyways, this isn't even the main point here. Main point is that Blue Hill is most likely completely fabricated with the sole intent of ripping people off.

 
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


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On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
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Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.


_______________________________________________________________________________ __

Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


______________________________________________________


On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
".[/color]



Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?
[/quote]

I would personally like to THANK YOU for your response as it made me dig deeper into the mining registration. If you look hard enough AND use the concession numbers you will find the license Smiley BOOM!

On the same webpage you gave that shows the registered companies,  on the top left you will see a box that says ID. Type in the mining concession numbers without the letters then search 1 by 1. Surprise surprise the license numbers come up.

Not only that a map can be seen exactly where in Mongolia the mine is situated and guess what? It's the exact location given in the whitepaper.

READ IT AND WEEP HATERS!

You ask where is the Bluehill foundation registered. Go to the bluehill foundation website,  scroll down to the terms and conditions. In there go to 1.1. It will give the exact address of BH foundation.

Now where do you have to go now? We got the licenses we got the registered address.

The CNMA GIVE A WARNING ABOUT COINBASE. YES COINBASE. YOU THINK THEY ARE A SCAM AS WELL???
The CNMA 'warning' means nothing. If GWE is ascam why aren't the authorities closing them down, they've been here for 2 years
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Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one

https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0

Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm

https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU

The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.

Bitcoin talk is used as there are hundreds of thousands of users = potentially hundreds and thousands of investors all without paying a single penny on marketing. No brainer.

Mize is unproven? Established in 2017, still running and still paying to this very day.

You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.

You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.

You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.


_______________________________________________________________________________ __

Ok. Let's say the video was indeed 'fake', then how do you explain this one
https://youtu.be/9Kl6R78iQw0


Or this one showing the link between GWE/mize and bhm
https://youtu.be/jylBpY_3XaU


I originally thought your 1st Facebook link were these videos when I said DeepFake. LOL
Look, to be straight up it could easily be a impersonator. But if you feel so much that these video's are enough proof for you, then that's your decision.

I only pointed out, with proof (see my links!) that there is a chance that it is fake - and I proved it. I never said on that basis alone it is a scam. I went on further to elaborate.


The meeting on the video was a private one between mize and bhm to promote the tokens, the reason why there was 'mininal' attendance. Its private so not open to public, only by invitation.

Were you there or did you just read it, maybe someone just told you? - on this basis alone it is not a scam.

You say why would kurt Becker waste his time on bitcoin talk yet you fail to realise it is all marketing to gain exposure for the company to prospective investors.
It's not just bitcoin talk. Reddit, medium,  Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,  telegram, LinkedIn all used for exposure. Its basic marketing.


I'm pleased you have brought this up because i was painting a picture. I completely understand marketing. The picture I was painting was with such a huge amount $$ for this STO, the digital marketing does not match it's capital. Just google reddit, bitcointalk....most posts are from individuals, various posts about the STO without much interest in this "digital world" considering the capital. Also where is the detailed financial prospectus? <------ red flag. But this alone does not mean it's a scam.


You fail to realise GWE is the parent company of Mize. GWE are the blockchain experts who help create security tokens for these big companies, GWE paid for the privilege to have Mize network sell tokens on behalf of BHM.

You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!

Fact is you can join for FREE and purchase whatever paying product you want.


I posted a link to prove to you in the original posts, but looks like you didn't click it. In fact none of these statements I made are my own ideas, thats why I have provided a reference via links in original posts.

If you think I know nothing about Mize:

Mize Network
Website: https://mize.network
CEO: Adrian Fredy Jacuzzi
Registered Office: Seville, Spain
Domain Age:  Mize Network was registered on October 26, 2017.
Support Email:  support@mize.network

http://www.infocif.es/ficha-empresa/global-world-exchangers-sl

many scams are hidden under a real registered business... look at Raisex.io or Theranos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes)...etc


Just a couple of Google searches with MIZE. There's too many. You can also google them. Also Google Jacuzzi for prev scams.

https://youtu.be/0J5c9xNTOnw
https://youtu.be/jkc4gN826k8
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/powernodes-review-mize-networks-ponzi-scam-within-a-scam/
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/powernodes-mize-network-crypto-mining-scam/
https://www.cryptocurrencyarmy.com/mize-network-review/
https://www.marketingxtreme.net/mize-network-review/
https://campforex.com/mize-network-review-a-scam-mlm-for-mizers/
https://www.realscam.com/f8/mize-network-scam-5415/

None of these are my suggestions so if you have an issue you can take it up with them.


You cry scam yet nothing shows that mize is a scam. In fact you make a LUDICROUS claim that you need to pay €25000 to join Mize!
PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE THIS CLAIM!!!


What I stated was "By stating this on the power mine website, this only encourages people to join that ponzi scam on PowerMine where affiliates pay up to €25,000 EUR to join. It doesn't really matter where you go to buy this token because it's very much a scam".

The key here is "pay up to €25,000 EUR to join". Iv'e read their white paper and different price platform tiers. Your interpretation that I said you need to pay €25000 to join Mize is wrong.


You claim the license numbers for mining companies are public. BHM gives theses numbers for the mine: concession numbers 14307X & 14308X.

Please prove otherwise as you say the license numbers of mines in Mongolia are public. Please provide the list that shows these are not on there.


Wow, I'm doing all the work for you. It took 10 mins to find the database. Don't think Im going to be doing all the proving here because you need to back up your claims as well.

You can answer me with proof that BlueHill Mining\Foundation is registered in any country. I know you wouldn't invest with out exploring if it is a registered business, even though it docent stop a scam it will show that you actually did research. Show me this.

Oh here's the database derived from https://www.mrpam.gov.mn:

Click "FOR INVESTORS" button on the right.

Then "CMCS ONLINE" button which is the below link.

https://cmcs.mram.gov.mn/cmcs#c=License&postData.filters=%7B%22groupOp%22%3A%22AND%22,%22rules%22%3A%5B%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseTypeId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D,%7B%22field%22%3A%22LicenseStatusId%22,%22op%22%3A%22eq%22,%22data%22%3A%220%22%7D%5D%7D

(cert warning to site) <----Talk to the Mongolian gov if you have an issue with this.


concession numbers 14307X & 14308X Huh/ What the hell is this. Show me on a database where this is found!

This is one of a few databases. Feel free to search yourself. Oh and yes....they are not there.


You claim it is a scam. This means SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker, Golder are all in on this elaborate scam.

In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project.

If you gcryet scam please back it up.



Claiming this project is a scam doesn't mean I claim legit businesses are a scam. Scams can use real businesses to fool people into believing they are legit. Also real businesses get fooled into scams as well. Anyone can claim any business is associated with them. It is what it is. Screaming out that SWISSCOM, RoyalHaskovingDHV, Kurt Becker and Golder are real so BlueHill Mining/Foundation must be real because BlueHill said so....

[i]well I will let other people judge that statement[/i]


I was so EXCITED to read "In fact I have contacted SWISSCOM and they confirm that they have worked with BHM on this project". You don't often find people actually contacting 3rd parties to verify things.

You can provide proof of this rather than just stating it, can't you? Can't wait to see!


______________________________________________________


On another post you state in regards to GWE (assoc. Mize):

"This makes me laugh LOL. This is the same CNMV that issued a warning against coinbase, kucoin and xapo. Yes you read write.

https://www.cnmv.es/docportal/aldia/Advertencias_CNMV_Otras_en.pdf

As far as I'm concerned that's says a lot as the authorities ain't got a clue about cryptocurrency"


Because the Mize Network is a registered business in Spain (see my above link) the have to comply with the Spanish National Securities Market Commission (CNMV), and so does anybody in the jurisdiction wishing to buy into Real World, GWE (assoc. Mize) tokens or related securities. Whats more, since the business is registered in Spain they have authority to do what they want. And look they did....

Spanish National Securities Market Commission has seen fit to release a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC as mentioned by tmfp.

tmfp has a good point "If GWE = Global World Exchangers SL, please provide evidence of their blockchain "expertise."

Please provide examples of these "big companies" that GWE help create security tokens for
".[/color]



Conclusion

You have to abide by your local jurisdiction where ever you live.
Cannot find any mining Licence.
Cannot find the questioned registered business.
Mize (GWE) are DEFINITELY involved (so if you want to invest with a company with many warning of scams you can do so)
Spanish National Securities Market Commission released a WARNING TO THE PUBLIC about GWE.
The videos could be deepfake/Impersonator (you have to admit there is a chance!) - Im not saying it is but you can't say it isn't either.

You have some questions and proof to offer. What research can you offer?

I would personally like to THANK YOU for your response as it made me dig deeper into the mining registration. If you look hard enough AND use the concession numbers you will find the license Smiley BOOM!

On the same webpage you gave that shows the registered companies,  on the top left you will see a box that says ID. Type in the mining concession numbers without the letters then search 1 by 1. Surprise surprise the license numbers come up.

Not only that a map can be seen exactly where in Mongolia the mine is situated and guess what? It's the exact location given in the whitepaper.

READ IT AND WEEP HATERS!

You ask where is the Bluehill foundation registered. Go to the bluehill foundation website,  scroll down to the terms and conditions. In there go to 1.1. It will give the exact address of BH foundation.

Now where do you have to go now? We got the licenses we got the registered address.

The CNMA GIVE A WARNING ABOUT COINBASE. YES COINBASE. YOU THINK THEY ARE A SCAM AS WELL???
The CNMA 'warning' means nothing. If GWE is ascam why aren't the authorities closing them down, they've been here for 2 years

[/quote]

LOL And what NAME IS IT UNDER? I already know..... You need to make a connection to BlueHill.

I already know all of this, I provided you the links, I have already checked. There is no association with BlueHill in regards to the licence.

You yell BlueHill has the same registered address as the licence yet the name on the licence says who? Anyone can search this and claim this. I know all of this. Where is your link for the real licence I have provided and the name. Remember anyone can claim to live anywhere.

I want cold hard proof from you.

I've researched this before you, this is all new to you and you are getting ahead of yourself....

CNMA gave a warning about coinbase because it didn't fulfil the criteria for that jurisdiction so it publicly warned people in that area about Coinbase. It was only for that jurisdiction.  

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