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September 01, 2021, 09:32:15 PM
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Some people are complaining that bitcointalk forum is dead and finished, but desperation of 1xbit and other websites to make promotion in this forum is showing something else.
Bitcointalk is dying the same way like bitcoin died so many times Smiley maybe it is devolving, and changing skin like a snake.
I saw that theymos accepted ads for some altcoins not long ago, so I don't see why 1xbit would be any different, even if I don't like 1xbit.

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September 02, 2021, 03:58:01 PM
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The forum is incapable of effectively moderating scams, attempting to handle something you can't effectively do would create lots of loop holes that would be easily exploited and the unsuspecting members who expect to be protected would fall victim.
Beg to disagree. Police and justice system tends to be quite ineffective. Should we abandon it, so we don't get false sense of safety? On the other hand, maybe open carry is a right solution.



Secondly, Bitcoin is a decentralized network and each person involved in it act as their own banks. This forum which is for bitcoin discussions should ideally be designed the same way, you are responsible for your security.
We might as well abandon trust system all together (or at least for everything beside trading), if we are all responsible for our own security. Why should we tag someone promoting ponzi that promises 200% daily profit, people should use their own head and know that something like that is not possible. Yet we do it all the time, myself included.

That reminds me of one interesting post made by eddie13, which I shortened a little bit as it was quite lengthy.

Should never have put the temporary illusion of safety above personal liberty..
ie tagging and chasing away “likely scammers” and crushing the unique economic dynamic of account sales..

This forum started acting like protecting idiots is more important than letting users express their free wills..


How many countless good and intelligent users have been chased away because they “might” scam..

A new startup can’t come here and start a signature campaign for example without completely being bullied into “trusting” some escrow they have probably never heard of, so heaven forbid they couldn’t possibly scam some users willing to take the risk..

A new user can hardly post anything for sale here without being bullied into some 3rd party “idiot protection” scheme because OMG they might try to scam you..

A new user here can’t start lending on any sort of collateral because holy shot they might scam the collateral..

All new economics here CRUSHED by regulatory bullying in the name of “protecting idiots”...
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September 02, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
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Beg to disagree. Police and justice system tends to be quite ineffective. Should we abandon it, so we don't get false sense of safety?
The forum is quite different from an actual justice system, but, why should the forum adopt a system which would be largely ineffective in solving the problem?

I understand the argument that moderating scams would help in the very least to prevent proven scammers from posting on the forum, but the can easily create new accounts and continue with a new identity or shift their focus to other social platforms by attracting their victims to telegram or discord.
There's also the case in which you suspect a user of scam, but have no proof of it, who decides on such cases and where would the line be drawn?

if we are all responsible for our own security. Why should we tag someone promoting ponzi that promises 200% daily profit, people should use their own head and know that something like that is not possible. Yet we do it all the time, myself included.
Cause it's a community oriented forum with no central authority. The users are allowed to give their suggestions on what could be or not be a scam, offering their evidence to that effect; Everyone else is allowed to make up their mind using the suggestions of others as pointers.





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September 02, 2021, 06:10:33 PM
Last edit: September 02, 2021, 06:49:39 PM by Rikafip
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There's also the case in which you suspect a user of scam, but have no proof of it, who decides on such cases and where would the line be drawn?
Speaking purely from my pov, ban should be reserved for well documented scammers like 1xbit (and for exactly that reason their banner bid was refused) and not just anyone with a negative tag given by a couple of DT members when they suspect someone might be a scammer, or something along those lines. So, I don't think it would be good to go completely wild and remove anyone suspicious (like they are often doing on some other forums) but should be reserved for those rare cases.


I understand the argument that moderating scams would help in the very least to prevent proven scammers from posting on the forum, but the can easily create new accounts and continue with a new identity or shift their focus to other social platforms by attracting their victims to telegram or discord.
So let scammers go there. Telegram is a known cesspool, bitcointalk doesn't have to be.


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Some things are not moderated like scam, trust system, merit system but there are many things that are moderated because forum have admin, staff and moderator who carry out their respective function. Do they deserve to be called a central authority where they can do several things for the forum community such as moving thread, deleting post, merging posts to ban users? If I misunderstood the central authority you mean, please clarify.
He probably referred to trust system when saying that its without central authority, I also misunderstood that part of his post at first.







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September 02, 2021, 06:24:10 PM
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Cause it's a community oriented forum with no central authority. The users are allowed to give their suggestions on what could be or not be a scam, offering their evidence to that effect; Everyone else is allowed to make up their mind using the suggestions of others as pointers.
Some things are not moderated like scam, trust system, merit system but there are many things that are moderated because forum have admin, staff and moderator who carry out their respective function. Do they deserve to be called a central authority where they can do several things for the forum community such as moving thread, deleting post, merging posts to ban users? If I misunderstood the central authority you mean, please clarify.

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