[Flag/Tag/Exclusion Request] - Turkish Section Gang

[Lauda]

Proving this was trivial. EFS has no problem with any of this naturally. Short story:
1) Excluded a whole-bunch as they conspired with their fake election: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.msg51425973#msg51425973.
2) Retaliatory attack and threads start here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg51432525#msg51432525.
3) Proof of merit abuse/cycling/farming/circle-jerk:

Proof 1:

Translation: "Does anyone need merit in the forums ? I will give 1 merit each to 4-5 guys, so that it doesn't go to foreigners"

Proof 2:

Translation:
PHI: we need to organize it privately, these guys are even selling merit look at it
PHI: "Sensei, the ones who will give merit are obvious why will we put an effort" how is it obvious?

Proof 3:

Translation:
ysakay (banned?) asking: "have you opened the Merit Fellowship channel?"  - this reffers to the private group organized by Phi for merit farming.
Accused users:
PHI1618
EFS

Flag(s):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=51

This problem likely goes too far for us to be able to discover all the culprits. Any member in that group that stands quiet is also an accomplice, but the best path would be to run down all merit PHI has ever given out first.

Local rule; the following users are not allowed to post: Quickseller, TECSHARE, OgNasty, bill gator, cryptohunter and anyone else with more negative ratings than other ratings (people without ratings excl. newly created shill accounts are welcome). This does NOT include the accused user.
Updated local rule (7PM forum time), the "accused user" is no affected obviously even when this isn't an accusation thread.

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[PHI1618]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4973607.new#new

Here is a Turkish merit thread.
I archived all the messages I thought Merit deserved here. If you look at the last 5-6 pages, I have all my posts. All merit deserving messages. This is a thread where I archive quality messages for others to merit.
I gave merit to almost all of them. Because they deserve it.
I give merit to everyone who deserves in the forum. I don't see a problem with that.

Why would I write there on a thread like this if I had a merit farm? If I had farm, I would only give to people I know right? But as you can see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4973607.new#new , I've added dozens of others' messages. I have given merits only to messages that deserve. I never gave merit to undeserved messages.

I've never done anything like merit trading or farming. I'm always against that.
But I always sent the merits to the people who deserved. I don't see a problem with that.

The Turkish community knows me well. I will continue to contribute information to the Turkish community. My hardware wallet review is very popular in the Turkish board. Soon there will be another one Ledgar Nano X. This thread does not prevent me from contributing as informations to the Turkish board.

[TECSHARE]

This seems like a forum related issue (if anything). What are the damages? Who are the victims? Just to be clear I am going to continue to ignore your attempts at barring certain individuals from arguing for or against specific flags.

[mindrust]

Holy crap, the rumors were true. I didn't  think  vispilio had something to backup his claims. These clowns were indeed circle-jerking to each other. I guess we can't red-trust them because of this since nobody got scammed by that, nobody is a victim but we can exclude them indeed.

They are discussing of selling merits Which is by itself enough.

[El duderino_]

Holy crap, the rumors were true. I didn't  think  vispilio had something to backup his claims. These clowns were indeed circle-jerking to each other. I guess we can't red-trust them because of this since nobody got scammed by that, nobody is a victim but we can exclude them indeed.

They are discussing of selling merits Which is by itself enough.

[Vispilio]

Holy crap, the rumors were true. I didn't  think  vispilio had something to backup his claims. These clowns were indeed circle-jerking to each other. I guess we can't red-trust them because of this since nobody got scammed by that, nobody is a victim but we can exclude them indeed.

They are discussing of selling merits Which is by itself enough.

I hope Theymos is also checking this thread out. The victims are the authentic individual hiqh quality Turkish posters who get ignored for years and rewarded for nothing in the forums, while the circle jerk clique makes a lot of money through bounties and will also apply for staff positions, all with the blessings of EFS who showers them with gratuitous merit regularly and is completely silent on these collusion activities despite it being mentioned to him numerous times...

Now if you check this thread on the Turkish forum about it below (if it gets deleted I'll post the screenshots), the Turkish collusion group is getting so triggered by this that they are attacking mindrust with some of the nastiest insults I've seen, ones you would encounter in a Turkish prison I sincerely wonder what EFS thinks about this, and whether he believes it's right to regularly merit these guys who come up with the nastiest ad hominems and insults at the face of the slightest criticism:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153279.msg51452108#msg51452108

translation:
here Matthias9515 is roughly saying in response to Mindrust: "you licked Lauda, you got votes for DT and gave shit...
if you do this for 50 USD, you would get yourself f.cked for 100 USD, you slut, you dog worth 100 USD..." This is one of the politer responses , Mindrust I'm sure has received far worse pm's from the same group...

Guys like this are getting 15-20 Merits from EFS regularly and rapidly making hero / legendary member, I was completely distant to these forum meta activities, but now I strongly believe an independent qualified individual must be selected as a new Turkish mod / staff, who is entirely separate from and untainted by the circle jerk group, to be able to talk about any sense of justice and meritocracy in the Turkish section.

[mindrust]

Holy crap, the rumors were true. I didn't  think  vispilio had something to backup his claims. These clowns were indeed circle-jerking to each other. I guess we can't red-trust them because of this since nobody got scammed by that, nobody is a victim but we can exclude them indeed.

They are discussing of selling merits Which is by itself enough.

I hope Theymos is also checking this thread out. The victims are the authentic individual Turkish posters who get ignored for years and rewarded for nothing in the forums, while the circle jerk clique makes a lot of money through bounties and will also apply for staff positions, all with the blessings of EFS who showers them with gratuitous merit regularly and is completely silent on these collusion activities despite it being mentioned to him numerous times...

Now if you check this thread on the Turkish forum about it below (if it gets deleted I'll post the screenshots), the Turkish collusion group is getting so triggered by this that they are attacking mindrust with some of the nastiest insults I've seen, ones you would encounter in a Turkish prison I sincerely wonder what EFS thinks about this, and whether he believes it's right to regularly merit these guys who come up with the nastiest ad hominems and insults at the face of the slightest criticism:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153279.msg51452108#msg51452108

translation:
here Matthias9515 is roughly saying in response to Mindrust: "you licked Lauda, you got votes for DT and gave shit...
if you do this for 50 USD, you would get yourself f.cked for 100 USD, you slut, you dog worth 100 USD..." This is one of the politer responses , Mindrust I'm sure has received far worse pm's from the same group...

Guys like this are getting 15-20 Merits from EFS regularly and rapidly making hero / legendary member, I was completely distant to these forum meta activities, but now I strongly believe an independent qualified individual must be selected as a new Turkish mod / staff, who is entirely separate from and untainted by the circle jerk group, to be able to talk about any sense of justice and meritocracy in the Turkish section.

They completely lost their mind (or what's left of it) after this topic. Throwing insults, cursing etc... Complete shit show.

EFS also reached me via PM. He refuses to vote for PHI's flag even though the evidences are pretty clear about the situation. (this is merit trading, clearly forbidden.) His stance could have helped about the accusations on him. Still keeps his silence.

[kr105]

Holy crap, the rumors were true. I didn't  think  vispilio had something to backup his claims. These clowns were indeed circle-jerking to each other. I guess we can't red-trust them because of this since nobody got scammed by that, nobody is a victim but we can exclude them indeed.

They are discussing of selling merits Which is by itself enough.

I hope Theymos is also checking this thread out. The victims are the authentic individual hiqh quality Turkish posters who get ignored for years and rewarded for nothing in the forums, while the circle jerk clique makes a lot of money through bounties and will also apply for staff positions, all with the blessings of EFS who showers them with gratuitous merit regularly and is completely silent on these collusion activities despite it being mentioned to him numerous times...

Now if you check this thread on the Turkish forum about it below (if it gets deleted I'll post the screenshots), the Turkish collusion group is getting so triggered by this that they are attacking mindrust with some of the nastiest insults I've seen, ones you would encounter in a Turkish prison I sincerely wonder what EFS thinks about this, and whether he believes it's right to regularly merit these guys who come up with the nastiest ad hominems and insults at the face of the slightest criticism:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153279.msg51452108#msg51452108

translation:
here Matthias9515 is roughly saying in response to Mindrust: "you licked Lauda, you got votes for DT and gave shit...
if you do this for 50 USD, you would get yourself f.cked for 100 USD, you slut, you dog worth 100 USD..." This is one of the politer responses , Mindrust I'm sure has received far worse pm's from the same group...

Guys like this are getting 15-20 Merits from EFS regularly and rapidly making hero / legendary member, I was completely distant to these forum meta activities, but now I strongly believe an independent qualified individual must be selected as a new Turkish mod / staff, who is entirely separate from and untainted by the circle jerk group, to be able to talk about any sense of justice and meritocracy in the Turkish section.

Vispilio, you are funny. Why don’t you make a full translation of what Matthias said to Mindrust?
We all said the same thing. Do you think it’s fair to blame everyone in the local section just because ONE INDIVIDUAL were talking about sending merit to others?

Plus, it’s very funny how you were also in that group for the merit exchange since you’re the only person who knows that PHI was sending merit some of his fellas? Apparently you pissed off because you didn’t get merits as much as you want, huh?
Is this your all proof to accuse dozens of people? Don’t be hypocrite and post a full translation of what Matthiass exactly said to him. Not only this part, lol.

Basically, we all asked why Mindrust suddenly started to blame everyone eventhough he is also chosen by others vote.

[Vispilio]

Vispilio, you are funny. Why don’t you make a full translation of what Matthias said to Mindrust?
We all said the same thing. Do you think it’s fair to blame everyone in the local section just because ONE INDIVIDUAL were talking about sending merit to others?

Plus, it’s very funny how you were also in that group for the merit exchange since you’re the only person who knows that PHI were sending merit some of his fellas? Apparently you pissed off because you didn’t get merits as much as you want, huh?
Is this your all proof to accuse dozens of people? Don’t be hypocrite and post a full translation of what Matthiass exactly said to him. Not only this part, lol.

Basically, we all asked why Mindrust suddenly started to blame everyone eventhough he is also chosen by others vote.

Oh I'm sorry you are right, when you give the full translation, he comes across as a scholar and gentleman

This is the reason why people react with such passion against Turkish collusion groups because the way you act like a hive minded tribe
insults the intelligence of independent observers.

If you think what you just posted is a valid defense, you are either severely deficient in education / discourse skills or you think english speaking audiences are composed of naive children who will be convinced by your laughably hypocritical appeals to innocence & constant ad hominem attacks.

ps. I will be back after gym to give a word for word translation of any part of that thread if anyone desires out of intellectual curiosity...

[Last of the V8s]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153850.msg51452138#msg51452138
more accusations going the rounds

[kr105]

Vispilio, you are funny. Why don’t you make a full translation of what Matthias said to Mindrust?
We all said the same thing. Do you think it’s fair to blame everyone in the local section just because ONE INDIVIDUAL were talking about sending merit to others?

Plus, it’s very funny how you were also in that group for the merit exchange since you’re the only person who knows that PHI were sending merit some of his fellas? Apparently you pissed off because you didn’t get merits as much as you want, huh?
Is this your all proof to accuse dozens of people? Don’t be hypocrite and post a full translation of what Matthiass exactly said to him. Not only this part, lol.

Basically, we all asked why Mindrust suddenly started to blame everyone eventhough he is also chosen by others vote.

Oh I'm sorry you are right, when you give the full translation, he comes across as a scholar and gentleman

This is the reason why people react with such passion against Turkish collusion groups because the way you act like a hive minded tribe
insults the intelligence of independent observers.

If you think what you just posted is a valid defense, you are either severely deficient in education / discourse skills or you think english speaking audiences are composed of naive children who will be convinced by your laughably hypocritical appeals to innocence & constant ad hominem attacks.

ps. I will be back after gym to give a word for word translation of any part of that thread if anyone desires out of intellectual curiosity...

I didn’t say Matthias is such gentlemen, did I? It’s irrelevant.

I just said that Mindtrust was also in the election and he became a DT. But he is still saying they all are organized?

And again, what were you doing in the merit trading group at first, Vispilio?

Oh btw, before giving lectures about being a gentlemen.. I think you should learn not to reflect your personal problems with PHI to others. Do you think that’s OK to block all the election just because you don’t want him to become a DT ?
What’s the point of accusing other/ innocent people?


BTW: Correct this sentence to make it more clear. It might cause misunderstandings.
Matthias did not say “ .. you got votes for DT but you gave shit”

He is obviously saying “... you got votes for DT but still you TALKED SHIT ABOUT the local section “

Obviously we wanna know why Mindrust started to talk illogical things eventhough he became a DT member with those people’s vote, NATURALLY.
Mindrust’s behaviour is just pointless. Most people in local had some respect for him before this shit. Actually, i still can’t believe he is ready to blame “everyone” so easily.
And I think everyone feel the same way about him in local, except you and Mindrust himself


It’s so ridicilous trying to drag EFS into this shit. How do you expect he would know everything? He is only human, not a bot.

[Blacknavy]

Subject: I added you on my DT list

You creat really great topics in the Turkish forum. Congrats. There are some people like PHI who organized some groups to have some benefits in forum. It would be nice to have a democratic election. Do you know some people from core bitcoin forum? I will be with you guys if you have any contacts some people from there.

This is the PM that Vispilio has sent me. First, he was telling me all of these good things. Now, suddenly he also started to tell this weird things about me. Probably just because he wanted to build a new group including some people from core bitcoin forum.

I think now, Vispilio is the one of the last persons to talk about being transparent. Basicly he was asking if I know some people and he was telling me that he will also be with me. Now, i don't understand what the f*ck is he trying to do?

He accused PHI. But right after, he asked about the “core bitcoin forum”. Which i have no idea about that forum. And he said "i’ll be with you guys if you have any contacts some people from there. Also we can add them to the DT list if you want too."

Vispilio and Mindrust constantly say the same story. They made up their stories to Lauda, and Lauda thought they were real, but NOT.

Theymos can see all IP logs.

Hello, we want to try select DT members from our local section. You can be candidate or if you want you can support someone that you want. I added you in my trust list because you are DT2 but you don't have to add me in your trust list.

This is the PM that i have sent to mindrust just before the election because i wanted a lot of people to join. I'm the one who sent a PM to Mindrust to invite him the local election because i was thinking he is one of those qualified members.

After all, of course i got mad when i saw Mindrust posted some so weird things about the local election on Meta. And i asked him why he is also with the ones who is being racist. Also, i cursed him, yes.

I know the election was democratic and natural because i am already the one who invites everyone to join for the election.

Since when is it a weird thing to do some good things on the local sections? Everyone in the turkish forum think we need a DT member, because we don’t have it. Not even one.


There is a negative trust belong to Mindrust because of being Lauda's puppy. Lauda, do you really need these hypocrites?

[Vispilio]

Subject: I added you on my DT list

You creat really great topics in the Turkish forum. Congrats. There are some people like PHI who organized some groups to have some benefits in forum. It would be nice to have a democratic election. Do you know some people from core bitcoin forum? I will be with you guys if you have any contacts some people from there.

I think the pm I sent you can be taught in university Ethics courses as an exemplary text , but you sharing a PM without permission is an irrefutable proof that you lack honor and trustworthiness.

Good Luck

[mindrust]

There is a negative trust belong to Mindrust because of being Lauda's puppy. Lauda, do you really need these hypocrites?

Imagine using a bcash scammer's trust rating in your defense...

Yep, you just did that.

[heyhat]

I do not know both of them. I mean Matthias9515 and mindrust. What I know is mindrust suddenly appeared in the thread and called all those people dangalak herifler which roughly means you idiots. Till that post, nobody used bad words for mindrust. In Europe or most part of the world you may talk to people in such a way but not in Turkey. If you call people idiots you cannot save your ass easily.

 

[TECSHARE]

I am not seeing any evidence in this thread to support a flag on Matthias9515, if you believe I have missed something in translation please do post it in Turkish as well as English in text so I can verify the translations, along with an image if need be. As it stands right now, it appears this flag is totally unfounded, and most likely an attempt to smear "political" opponents.

[xolxol]

Lauda should be the one to get flags,extortionist turned this place into madness,the gang of yours should be the one who needs attention from theymos not some guys whom you dont agree with and try to use the system wrongfully.Your gang's era has ended,little twat.