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June 13, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
Last edit: June 15, 2019, 09:25:58 PM by suchmoon
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This a thread to substantiate a warning flag on Quickseller. I believe that if you engage in any kind of deal with Quickseller, or even as much as debate him on a forum topic, you risk being attacked via frivolous accusations with the intent to damage your reputation and your ability to conduct business on the forum. This may happen for any reason, such as the deal not going the way Quickseller expected, or no particular reason at all.

Exhibit A

Quickseller was hired then fired as a participant in a signature campaign managed by Hhampuz. Shortly after being fired he launched an unsubstantiated scam accusation against Hhampuz. Quickseller is not a victim or otherwise affected by the alleged scam, there is no proof, and it is based on the mere fact of coins being moved by Hhampuz. Despite the extremely flimsy basis Quickseller makes bold claims such as "Hhampuz has stolen the excess money from the BestMixer campaign for his own personal use". Note that he didn't use the trust system (old or new) to label Hhampuz and when called out on this he said this:

I did not say that I wanted others to tag him as a scammer. I said I believe him to be a scammer, and the reason he has not been tagged is due to tribalism.

I do think he should be tagged, but due to the trust system being broken, I don't think anyone tagging him will have any affect any anything. In lieu of tagging him, I will leave this thread open and any potential customers of his (and his current customers) can look at the evidence themselves, including the fact that many of those defending him are being paid his advertisers money by him.

Which makes me think he's seeking to damage HH's business and doesn't have an actual concern or proof of a scam, which would necessitate feedback/flag.

Exhibit B

Quickseller took a 20 BTC payment from a known scammer to sue Vod, whose "crime" was to suggest that Quickseller should repay victims of his (Quickseller's) escrow scam. Eventually Quickseller failed to sue and claims to have returned part of the payment.

Quickseller has also repeatedly posted unfounded allegations against Vod that originated from a known shady website specializing in extorting targets of such allegations.

Exhibit C

Quickseller accused Lauda of having a pill addiction. Quickseller's conflicts with Lauda are numerous, proof of addiction is non-existent to the point where Quickseller was claiming that Lauda's lack of denial was proof and that other users trying to dispute the frivolous accusation were Lauda's alts.

Exhibit D

Quockseller accused dooglus of supporting a Ponzi scheme with the alleged reasons being that dooglus fixed a bug in open-source code used by a Ponzi site. The accusation was an attempt to put pressure on dooglus (a DT1 member at the time) to exclude Vod and/or cryptodevil who both had posted negative trust ratings for Quickseller, as well as for dooglus' role in the tspacepilot conflict (see below).

Later Quickseller accused dooglus and other users of condoning violence just because they included a person Quickseller doesn't like (and who in Quickseller's opinion threatened him) in their trust lists. A few years later Quickseller edited the thread to remove the accusation.

Exhibit E

Quickseller used his later-exposed alt Panthers52 to argue in his dispute against tspacepilot pretending he's someone else as can be seen from references to himself in the 3rd person. Later Quickseller faked a ban in an apparent attempt to give himself and/or his alts more credibility.

Exhibits F through Z

More examples of Quickseller's retaliatory destructive actions:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153872.msg51462407#msg51462407



Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=79

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June 13, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
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Quickseller has many known and unknown alt accounts. This post will be used as a reference for flags on his alts as they become known.

ACCTseller Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=81
Panthers52 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=82

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This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

I would not recommend to any reader that they endorse this action against QS without first examining this page which demonstrates the escrow attempt by suchmoons friends/alt lauda and his pals which QS was first to warn the board about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153864.0

Also regarding another observable instance QS revealed with suchmoons other friend hhampuz looking like he perhaps stole 0.5btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.0

Compared to suchmoons other friends/alts we do no think you should endorse any action against QS without endorsing action against lauda and hhmpuz

This is merely a thread to try to discredit his legitimate criticism of them and the observable instances he provided for the board.

Things must be taken in context. Also motive should be a consideration. We see that when you consider both of these if lauda and hhampuz are not flagged then QS should not be either.

This is clear double standards from suchmoon she is not encouraging flag support for lauda or hhampuz and their offences appear more serious by far.

Be very CAUTIOUS of people pushing clear double standards now. These people are highly untrustworthy. All members here deserve to be held to the SAME TRANSPARENT AND FAIR RULES EQUALLY. No gang tactics pushing their own personal agendas.

Suchmoon recently even made an attack ( in the form of suggesting he was sneaky and underhanded) on THEYMOS the owner of this board because he merely asked if DT members would consider excluding her friend/alt from lauda the proven scammer and liar from the TRUST SYSTEM.

Investigate everything that we have presented here to see if it is true or not.

Do not investigate suchmoon herself too much, because if you locate a picture of her you will not be sleeping for weeks....we don't mean in a good way either.



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This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

I would not recommend to any reader that they endorse this action against QS without first examining this page which demonstrates the escrow attempt by suchmoons friends/alt lauda and his pals which QS was first to warn the board about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153864.0

Also regarding another observable instance QS revealed with suchmoons other friend hhampuz looking like he perhaps stole 0.5btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.0

Compared to suchmoons other friends/alts we do no think you should endorse any action against QS without endorsing action against lauda and hhmpuz

This is merely a thread to try to discredit his legitimate criticism of them and the observable instances he provided for the board.

Things must be taken in context. Also motive should be a consideration. We see that when you consider both of these if lauda and hhampuz are not flagged then QS should not be either.





This is a thread about QS, can you stay on topic please. Hhampuz, Lauda & anybody else you choose to bitch about is off topic.

I don’t want to have to start reporting posts.

Thanks in advance.

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This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

I would not recommend to any reader that they endorse this action against QS without first examining this page which demonstrates the escrow attempt by suchmoons friends/alt lauda and his pals which QS was first to warn the board about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153864.0

Also regarding another observable instance QS revealed with suchmoons other friend hhampuz looking like he perhaps stole 0.5btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.0

Compared to suchmoons other friends/alts we do no think you should endorse any action against QS without endorsing action against lauda and hhmpuz

This is merely a thread to try to discredit his legitimate criticism of them and the observable instances he provided for the board.

Things must be taken in context. Also motive should be a consideration. We see that when you consider both of these if lauda and hhampuz are not flagged then QS should not be either.





This is a thread about QS, can you stay on topic please. Hhampuz, Lauda & anybody else you choose to bitch about is off topic.

I don’t want to have to start reporting posts.

Thanks in advance.

WRONG - this is a vindictive thread from a clearly double standards back stabbing untrustworthy member. The reader needs to clearly have access to all the observable instances so they can make the optimal decision of whether to support or deny the flag.
If i say people are vindictive, have an ulterior motive and they have double standards the reader deserves to have access to the observable instances to know these are not false accusations.

To support disciplinary action one must have context to judge the CORRECT SUITABLE action is being taken. NO one rule for my friends one rule for everyone else. WE WANT THINGS FAIR AND CONSISTENT - NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS

The reader should also be privy to this observable instance

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136759.0

Notice the person meriting suchmoons motivated attack? yes the person that has admitted he is simply the mouth piece LAUDA bullies around.  Of course he will be doing his best to deprive the reader of the optimal level of back ground information to be able to decide optimally how to vote on QS flag.

If you allow double standards on this board then freedom of speech is vulnerable. If you can be punished for actions a gang gets away with it is all over here.  Punish one person then punish all persons that meet the same threshold of apparent untrustworthy behavior.

This is suggesting selective punishment for lesser crimes by QS  than suchmoons friends/alts are guilty of. NOT APPROPRIATE.

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June 13, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
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This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

Quickseller has presented many, many observable instances of lying his ass off to get ahead in his imaginary game of thrones. Now that lying is apparently a valid use case for the trust system we could flag Quicksy and other trolls up the wazoo just for that. But in an attempt to remain at least somewhat civil I will flag only for observable instances of the most egregious lies intended to cause harm, and other similar actions to that effect.

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This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

Quickseller has presented many, many observable instances of lying his ass off to get ahead in his imaginary game of thrones. Now that lying is apparently a valid use case for the trust system we could flag Quicksy and other trolls up the wazoo just for that. But in an attempt to remain at least somewhat civil I will flag only for observable instances of the most egregious lies intended to cause harm, and other similar actions to that effect.

To prove someone is lying you need to prove.

1. they 100% irrefutably presenting incorrect information.
2. They are 100% irrefutably doing so knowingly.

Present your evidence now then. Let's see it. No more bullshit someone did this , someone did that. Then no observable instance that meets the above 2 criteria.

After you have done so then you will be given another example that will be even stronger evidence of a lie and you better be prepared to open a flag for that because that was not a petty bullshit "lie" or joke "lie" like if you said you were slim and hot ... it was FOR DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN AND SCAMMING. SCAMMING PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY IS WHAT WE ARE PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH.

If you flag one person you must flag them all if they meet the same threshold or that is DOUBLE STANDARDS.
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I am seeing zero evidence of threat of theft or fraud and tons of evidence of spite, butt hurt, and want for retribution here. Keep putting up flags like this, all you are doing is exposing who has no self control one by one.

"suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Quickseller is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

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I am seeing zero evidence of threat of theft or fraud and tons of evidence of spite, butt hurt, and want for retribution here. Keep putting up flags like this, all you are doing is exposing who has no self control one by one.

"suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Quickseller is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

Feel free to oppose it then. I do believe Quickseller intends to cause harm and newbies deserve to know that. I do believe that a reasonable person would consider frivolous scam accusations a red flag against the accuser.

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I am seeing zero evidence of threat of theft or fraud and tons of evidence of spite, butt hurt, and want for retribution here. Keep putting up flags like this, all you are doing is exposing who has no self control one by one.

"suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Quickseller is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

Feel free to oppose it then. I do believe Quickseller intends to cause harm and newbies deserve to know that. I do believe that a reasonable person would consider frivolous scam accusations a red flag against the accuser.

You will notice, before belief part it says "Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic", and I don't see you substantiating any risk of theft. I do however see you making lots of claims based on his opinions, which is explicitly prohibited.

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You will notice, before belief part it says "Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic", and I don't see you substantiating any risk of theft. I do however see you making lots of claims based on his opinions, which is explicitly prohibited.

The flag doesn't say anything about risk of theft. We can play word games all day long. I believe the presented facts point to Quickseller's intent to cause harm in retaliation to Hhampuz. You don't. Sounds like an excellent case to oppose.

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Please help me to understand it Suchmoon.

https://i.imgur.com/Kw8In81.png

There were already a flag by Hhampuz. Instead of supporting it you had to create a new one. Why?

I hope you did not miss it:
Also, if exchange xyz makes an exit scam, is that considered one incident that can only be flagged once? Or can each victim make their own flag?

It's probably best if one of the victims makes a flag and the rest support it.

Why are some of you are becoming mad with this new trust flags system? First Lauda and now looks like you who is pushing it hard.

Stop it. You are better than this.
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Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

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Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

Bold-faced lie and you have zero proof of it. Still not flag-worthy since it doesn't really affect me in any significant way.

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

The statements you made about Hhampuz are not opinions. You presented them as statements of fact with no proof.

Remove the dox, I wouldn't want you to get into trouble for that.

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ACCTseller Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=81
Panthers52 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=82


I believe if you go down my Trust Wall searching for "Quickseller" you'll find numerous examples.  I can point you to some threads I started that are in the "Investigations" sub-section as well. (Page two or three I believe - shouldn't be too hard to spot them - account sellers etc)

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June 13, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
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Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

Bold-faced lie and you have zero proof of it. Still not flag-worthy since it doesn't really affect me in any significant way.

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

The statements you made about Hhampuz are not opinions. You presented them as statements of fact with no proof.

Remove the dox, I wouldn't want you to get into trouble for that.
1- what six are you referring to? I didn’t associate any name with any forum alias. Are you saying that a name posted somewhere is associated with a forum member?

2- You are running a bot and are using it as a weapon. It is not possible to effectively check for plagiarism without compiling a database of posts, or potential sources plagiarized posts would be copied from. As such it is trivial to check any arbitrary persons posts for plagiarism. At least one person was banned for plagiarism very shortly after opposing your supporters. I have observed you being last online consistently within seconds of when I viewed your profile at all hours of the day without deviation. This has been observed over an extended period of time. As such you are having your bot use your account to obtain posts from the forum.

3 - there is blockchain evidence that Hhampuz both took the money from BestMixer and that he took out a loan prior to taking the money from BestMixer. Further there is evidence that he took out a loan based on Hhampuz send and received trust history.

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1- what six are you referring to?

The six-pack you downed before logging on... I can't deal with your drunk ramblings, sober up and stay on topic. Bullshit about the "bot" goes here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152349

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1- what six are you referring to?

The six-pack you downed before logging on... I can't deal with your drunk ramblings, sober up and stay on topic. Bullshit about the "bot" goes here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152349
Lots of ad-hominem and smear attacks and not a lot of evidence.

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