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September 08, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
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 Anytime I see a spam post I can't help but wonder what's the gain, spamming is a waste of time and efforts.
Some would say that they spam
1. To get a thread bumped(they might get incentives for this)
2. Get there post count running(example for bounty uses)
And many more I can't mention.

But the real truth is that it's doesn't last(spam post gets deleted all it takes is time) even if it doesn't get deleted it get overlooked and rather exposes the maker of such post and might get you on ignore list or in some scenario get tagged.

There is no account here that can make heads way been known for spamming it's as obvious as that, merit system has tried in putting spammers out.

What you stand to lose as a spammer
1. Will not elevate in rank
2. Will not get into signature campaign
3. Your account would lose credibility and value
4. Hated and ignored by many
I can keep on going on

How can you get out of the spam group
1. Help the forum by clearing your spam history
2. If you have brought in here by a spammer(bounty) you can cut out
3. Start to work hard(read, research, ask people when not clear)

Spamming is never a good thing both to the maker of the spam and the forum
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September 08, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
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I'd say a good percentage of the spammers we currently have don't even care about ranking up and receiving merit. People already have member and full member accounts from the pre-merit age; so all they pretty much care about is the postcount quota. Also not to mention it looks like there's a good chunk of member-full member accounts being sold in the markets. Accounts were just so easy to rank up before that there's no shortage of ranked accounts.

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September 08, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
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Being a spammer in the bitcointalk forum like posting trash topic or useless topic is the same as not putting your garbage in a garbage can/bin that is why there is a report button to report spam post and mods will delete the spam post and make the forum clean and tidy as possible as the mods can.

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September 08, 2019, 12:31:41 PM
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Although it isn't worth it when you spam but because many forum users still easily get away with spamming the forum, that's why that mode of posting is still been practised. The reporters and moderators are trying their best but we're still far away from winning the good fight against spam especially as some specific boards have been giving less attention because they have been declared as spam boards. If we want to stop spam without eliminating bounty campaigns, we shouldn't leave any stone (board) unturned. The attention we give other boards to prevent spam on those board should also be given equally to every other board including Altcoin, Bitcoin, gambling discussion board etc.

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September 08, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
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But the real truth is that it's doesn't last(spam post gets deleted all it takes is time) even if it doesn't get deleted it get overlooked and rather exposes the maker of such post and might get you on ignore list or in some scenario get tagged.
Spammers don't care. I've seen some accounts which can churn out a post a minute by just picking up on a key word or two in the topic's title/subject and churning out the most generic one liner. Even if half of their posts get reported and deleted, they can still max out the requirements for their bounty campaign in under an hour. And if all their posts get trashed, no worries, they can come back and do the same thing tomorrow. Beyond seven days they don't care if their posts get trashed - they've already been paid. They don't care if their posts are overlooked, and they don't care if they end up on ignore lists - there is no way to track this, so they will still get paid their worthless tokens. And in the case of thread bumping, they again don't care if their post is overlooked, reported, deleted, they are ignored, banned, or so forth. As long as the thread gets bumped, they get their payment.

Spam isn't a problem you can solve by presenting reason and logic. As long as there are ICOs and similar scam projects willing to pay for spamming and bumping, it will continue to happen.

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September 08, 2019, 01:09:23 PM
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<…> What you stand to lose as a spammer
1. Will not elevate in rank <…>
3. Your account would lose credibility and value
4. Hated and ignored by many
 
Unfortunately, most will not care too much beyond making it to Jr. Member. Likely, most prefer to spam with multiple accounts, finding it easier, and less effort prone, to match the stakes provided by higher ranked accounts.

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2. Will not get into signature campaign
Most campaign managers are more concerned really with exposure than the actual posting habits of those that bear their signature. The managers more concerned with the posting quality/interest are normally restricted to the ones that manage Bitcoin paying campaigns, which are a minority in terms of volume here.

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September 08, 2019, 01:18:59 PM
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This has been discussed a lot already but it's good to see some reminders.

<…> What you stand to lose as a spammer
1. Will not elevate in rank <…>
3. Your account would lose credibility and value
4. Hated and ignored by many
Unfortunately, most will not care too much beyond making it to Jr. Member. Likely, most prefer to spam with multiple accounts, finding it easier, and less effort prone, to match the stakes provided by higher ranked accounts.
Others won't even care getting a Jr. Member, they'll just have to pay for copper membership and receive better rate since it is now equivalent to Member rank in all  bounty signature campaigns.


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2. Will not get into signature campaign
Most campaign managers are more concerned really with exposure than the actual posting habits of those that bear their signature. The managers more concerned with the posting quality/interest are normally restricted to the ones that manage Bitcoin paying campaigns, which are a minority in terms of volume here.
Sharon must be talking about btc-paying signature campaigns and not the usual bounty campaigns.

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September 08, 2019, 01:52:42 PM
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Unfortunately, most will not care too much beyond making it to Jr. Member. Likely, most prefer to spam with multiple accounts, finding it easier, and less effort prone, to match the stakes provided by higher ranked accounts.

And unfortunately for them they can not get into good bitcoin paying bounties and even when They try out altcoin bounties there seems to be a dead valley and the little that are manageable act selective and increase there picking criteria.
In general in the long run a spamming account will always lose there is no price for spamming
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September 08, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
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And unfortunately for them they can not get into good bitcoin paying bounties and even when They try out altcoin bounties there seems to be a dead valley and the little that are manageable act selective and increase there picking criteria.

Most spamming accounts obviously don't get into good paying bounty campaigns. But their main focus is mostly quantity > quality. They don't have the knowledge to rank up accounts? Simple. They farm a good number of accounts(probably >20?) and use those accounts to join campaigns. That way, their earnings may come close to decent paying campaigns.

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September 08, 2019, 03:24:26 PM
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If there are still bounties that pay in altcoins, tokens lively run in the forum, spammers will keep doing their works, and don't spend a second to think of their post quality. Managers of bounties, especially shit bounties don't care about quality of their participants before give them acceptance, and they also don't care about participants' post quality during time in bounties.

Additionally, if you check patrol page, you will see that there are many reports in bounty threads, and most of them made by low ranked accounts, even newbies. Those accounts used for Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit reports, so sure they don't care about post quality, and they don't lose anything if their accounts banned.

From my experience, joining good campaigns, even if you begin with low rank, such as Member rank, you will do get lots of benefits. Because you have to at least maintain post quality to avoid dis-qualified posts or kick-out by managers. Over time, your post quality will do increase significantly, and you will do rank up. Ranking up, in turn, means higher extra income for your works. The cycle repeats and you will get more valuable things (higher ranks, higher income, better reputation in the forum).

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September 08, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
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If there are still bounties that pay in altcoins, tokens lively run in the forum, spammers will keep doing their works, and don't spend a second to think of their post quality.

It doesn't even need to be specifically for altcoins. Remember the Stake.com signature campaign a couple of months ago? The campaign pretty much indirectly urged their campaign applicants to spam the forum due to their zero weekly limit and low post quality standards. In that case with Stake.com, there was definitely something to be gained from spamming- a significant amounts of money depending how many accounts people had. Good thing they're gone now.

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September 08, 2019, 05:38:55 PM
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The true of the matter is that, spam increase in proportion to the signature campaigns on the forum be it altcoin or bitcoin paid campaign. The more campaign we have the more spam the forum records. Although stopping bounty campaigns totally would be the most effective solution to this problem but personally I won't suggest that as the first option. We're in the internet era which encourage the idea of earning from online platforms available. If we have those earning legitimately without abusing the platform through spamming you don't deprived then that privilege just because of the evil eggs.

In my opinion, I believe the lack of signature moderation is the reason for this high level of spam. Spammers should be punished when caught, take away their signature privileges for some weeks or months. The deletion of post does nothing to their post count as you presume. These guys are getting smarter by the day. Some make additional spam post to make-up for their post count incase other spams gets deleted. Let's try signature moderation, e.g payment option for all type of campaign should be in bitcoin or stablecoin, campaign managers should be hand selected by the administrator like moderators etc and if that doesn't work then we eliminate all type of campaigns totally from the forum.

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September 08, 2019, 05:53:16 PM
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In my opinion, I believe the lack of signature moderation is the reason for this high level of spam.
I've talked about this before, but without some changes from theymos, there's little that can be done.

I think we should be much tougher on spammers. There should be a low tolerance for handing out escalating lengths of bans. I'm getting so fed up of reporting the same users over and over and over. One in particular finally got nuked this morning, but only once he reached >50 posts trashed in a few weeks. He only had something like 7 posts which hadn't been trashed for spam. As you say, deleting their posts only achieves them spamming more so they can still hit their quota. It's an endless fight if we aren't going to ban them early.

In addition, there should be a couple of new mods who focus on punishing signature campaigns. Pull the spreadsheet of users, see how many posts the campaign has had trashed for spam, and hand out appropriate warnings or bans. It worked wonders with the Yobit campaign a few months ago. After a few months of campaigns being banned for paying for spam, they would soon learn to vet and monitor their applicants.

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September 11, 2019, 06:47:45 PM
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The best way for us to minimize spamming is by giving a strict order, that if you found guilty of spamming for about 14 times a week, your btt account will be locked for about a week. I believe by so doing spamming will reduce automatically

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