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July 05, 2019, 02:02:10 AM
Last edit: July 05, 2019, 04:43:47 AM by darklus123
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First of all, I am sad that the said protest did proceed into making violent acts. While in the first place they've made a very good voice and peaceful protests against the said Law that the government is trying to practice.

Yet again China's government has  been always too hard to those people who wanted to speak out which makes the country very critical about the freedom of speech. This is actually a global Issue and I am sure that the republic of China will not even care about how other country thinks. Even if the said violence is not right I am still quite happy that the people in Hongkong are starting to get the courage to speak out.



What were your thoughts about the said "Extradition Law" can this be fair specially to foreign people who works or visit hongkong  being executed because of being suspected of doing illegal  without having  due process?


Update:

Reason for changing the current law was because of that one person who is a resident of Hong Kong who admitted that he killed his girlfriend in Taiwan.


Now obviously the main reason why the people of Hong Kong opposes the said changes in their current law is because it only allows the Chinese government to disallow the freedom of speech that the people of Hong Kong are currently Having.




References:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/04/asia/hong-kong-protest-reaction-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hong-kongs-protests-are-about-more-than-an-extradition-law-heres-why/2019/06/12/bf1350be-8d2d-11e9-b162-8f6f41ec3c04_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7bd62d9f4caa

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July 05, 2019, 03:05:55 AM
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You should edit the title to reflect the protests are *against* the proposed extradition law.

The law in question would have allowed the Chinese government to have anyone in Home Kong extradited to China who is accused of breaking Chinese law. The problem with this law is it would effectively allow the Chinese government to prosecute anyone in Hong Kong who has been critical of the Chinese government -- the Chinese government has a long history fo human rights violations, including the persecution of those who are critical of the government.

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You should edit the title to reflect the protests are *against* the proposed extradition law.

The law in question would have allowed the Chinese government to have anyone in Home Kong extradited to China who is accused of breaking Chinese law. The problem with this law is it would effectively allow the Chinese government to prosecute anyone in Hong Kong who has been critical of the Chinese government -- the Chinese government has a long history fo human rights violations, including the persecution of those who are critical of the government.

Updated thanks for that, It is really very questionable because one of the main reason why the Hong Kong government decided to propose this law is because of that one person(Hong Kong resident) who killed his girlfriend in Taiwan. Yet instead of just adding Taiwan they've also included China.

Aside from NK, China is actually one of the Toxic countries when it comes to Human rights violation as they consider Torture as a standard due process for certain crimes.
The Hong Kong’s chief executive might have done a deal with the Chinese government for to include the Chinese jurisdiction


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July 23, 2019, 06:06:13 AM
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Update:

The current situation in hongkong are getting worse. Hongkong police have been shooting protesters starting from june 12 without warnings (tho, they were only using rubber bullets.

As time passes by there are allegations that the Hongkong government are working with the triads to attack people whos been wearing black tshirts as a protests. The worse thing is that the people who witnessed the said attacked contacted the authorities but they are getting cut off.

References.
The actual video that were cutoff by the Hk police
https://youtu.be/UItBS6XzR1w

The actual video where the HK police have been shooting rubber bullets to the protesters
https://youtu.be/9lCoivJDGEg

In this video you can see the alleged triads whos been attacking civilians but did not get arrested by the HK people. The video is said to be edited but I did not understand what the person who posted is actually saying

https://youtu.be/mHSz0BNtNGE

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July 23, 2019, 06:16:03 AM
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The violence may have been staged. I know for a fact the US government has been using the "black bloc" as a way to cause enough damage to shut down legitimate peaceful protests. This eventually evolved into basically ANTIFA branches where the same tactic is used. They are allowed to cause enough damage and assault uninterrupted so the police, administration, etc can justify shutting any legitimate protest they choose. You will notice the take over of the government building recently was exceptionally organized, and the ones involved all seemed to have surgical masks on. Of course a legitimate protester has good reason to not want to be identified for protesting, but this is also abused by government proxies.

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July 23, 2019, 08:28:34 PM
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Crazy white shirt dudes attacking innocent protesters. This isn't freedom of speech. This yet another act to silence those who are not obedient to the Chinese authoritarian regime.

I stand in solidarity with the Hong Kong protesters.
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Bump.

Hong Kong protests are still ongoing. China's pretty evil.
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I personally feel that ''Massive Dramatic Hongkong Protest Against Extradition Law'' as you said, have long outgrown the original cause and became demonstrations for full democracy and freedom in Hongkong.
Honestly, I'm afraid of the Chinese government's reaction if these demonstrations get out of hand and become violent.
We may see again the scenario of the student demonstration breakdown in 1989.



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Last edit: August 15, 2019, 03:14:34 AM by darklus123
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Bump.

Hong Kong protests are still ongoing. China's pretty evil.

It is indeed still happening just of yesterday, the protesters were very desperate about how they wanted to regain their freedom of speech that are being taken away from them. Sad to say but they've been quite very aggressive this time. I mean I personally do not know the whole  story yet but according to "News" the riot started when some of the protesters started hitting 2 people from the mainland China during their protest in the Hong Kong International Airport.

The protesters tho apologized to the affected passengers last night and they are asking for forgiveness cause again they emphasized how they really wanted to show how desperately they've wanted to have the said freedom of speech that might be taken away from them after this bill is passed.



But can we actually really blame them? I have gathered as much references as I could so you can try to check the different sides of this story.


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https://youtu.be/31Uk0n0PeDY
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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-13/disruption-continues-after-hong-kong-demonstrators-take-protest-to-airport/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/world/asia/hong-kong-airport-protest-cancellations.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1161551965865877504


Here is a quite on point debate from an austrilian guy that you might wanna checked out
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1160977102591496192



A statement coming from Beijing that this protest are showing "signs of Terrorism". Are they really are? or China "might" be obviously using this card so they can use their power to Hong Kong citizens?
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1160869145669459968


According to  Ai Weiwei an Artist probably from Hong Kong, the  future of Hong Kong is "pretty dark". After Trump said that he will not going to interfere with this the police authorities started to being more aggressive and shutting down every protesters as possible.
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1160947814681251841

We may see again the scenario of the student demonstration breakdown in 1989.

I am personally hoping that it will not going to happen anymore.

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Hong Kong protests are still ongoing. China's pretty evil.

It is indeed still happening just of yesterday, the protesters were very desperate about how they wanted to regain their freedom of speech that are being taken away from them. Sad to say but they've been quite very aggressive this time. I mean I personally do not know the whole  story yet but according to "News" the riot started when some of the protesters started hitting 2 people from the mainland China during their protest in the Hong Kong International Airport.

The protesters tho apologized to the affected passengers last night and they are asking for forgiveness cause again they emphasized how they really wanted to show how desperately they've wanted to have the said freedom of speech that might be taken away from them after this bill is passed.



But can we actually really blame them? I have gathered as much references as I could so you can try to check the different sides of this story.


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https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1161551965865877504


Here is a quite on point debate from an austrilian guy that you might wanna checked out
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1160977102591496192



A statement coming from Beijing that this protest are showing "signs of Terrorism". Are they really are? or China "might" be obviously using this card so they can use their power to Hong Kong citizens?
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1160869145669459968


According to  Ai Weiwei an Artist probably from Hong Kong, the  future of Hong Kong is "pretty dark". After Trump said that he will not going to interfere with this the police authorities started to being more aggressive and shutting down every protesters as possible.
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1160947814681251841

We may see again the scenario of the student demonstration breakdown in 1989.

I am personally hoping that it will not going to happen anymore.

I mean I don't know, if you told me that the Chinese government is going to try to get an extradition bill passed that could allow them to abuse this power to take people from Hong Kong into Chinese custody (which is notorious for some shady things) for simply not agreeing with the Chinese government, I think I'd be pretty angry too.

This is like saying: Why are you so mad that I didn't allow you to speak freely?

The Chinese government deserves all the hell that they're getting right now, and they deserve to have to succumb to the sheer force of numbers of the people in Hong Kong.




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I mean I don't know, if you told me that the Chinese government is going to try to get an extradition bill passed that could allow them to abuse this power to take people from Hong Kong into Chinese custody (which is notorious for some shady things) for simply not agreeing with the Chinese government, I think I'd be pretty angry too.

This is like saying: Why are you so mad that I didn't allow you to speak freely?


That is actually one of the reasons why this protests leads into a very disastrous acts because in the first place we all know how Hong Kong people usually criticizes the main land China's government. At first they are speaking out because they wanted to tell the Hong Kong government not to fall into the trap. But then it seems that they were being censored by the government that makes them more angry because of that "freedom of speech".




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The Chinese government deserves all the hell that they're getting right now, and they deserve to have to succumb to the sheer force of numbers of the people in Hong Kong.
Actually this is not the cased right now. Hong Kong people are trying to ask help for the international community because their government wouldn't listen to them. Then Trump made a statement that this issue is only between HK and China which is actually a pretty bad sign for the Hong Kong people. In this case the Chinese government might be able to have a full control over HK then everyone who will try to oppose it might be in great trouble.

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I mean I don't know, if you told me that the Chinese government is going to try to get an extradition bill passed that could allow them to abuse this power to take people from Hong Kong into Chinese custody (which is notorious for some shady things) for simply not agreeing with the Chinese government, I think I'd be pretty angry too.

This is like saying: Why are you so mad that I didn't allow you to speak freely?


That is actually one of the reasons why this protests leads into a very disastrous acts because in the first place we all know how Hong Kong people usually criticizes the main land China's government. At first they are speaking out because they wanted to tell the Hong Kong government not to fall into the trap. But then it seems that they were being censored by the government that makes them more angry because of that "freedom of speech".




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The Chinese government deserves all the hell that they're getting right now, and they deserve to have to succumb to the sheer force of numbers of the people in Hong Kong.
Actually this is not the cased right now. Hong Kong people are trying to ask help for the international community because their government wouldn't listen to them. Then Trump made a statement that this issue is only between HK and China which is actually a pretty bad sign for the Hong Kong people. In this case the Chinese government might be able to have a full control over HK then everyone who will try to oppose it might be in great trouble.

Most western nations are trying to stick a weird balance between working with the Chinese, and protecting Democracy in the world -- which they have been trying to do for a long amount of time now.

Hong Kong is even a more special case, as there was an agreement between the Chinese and the British to ensure that Hong Kong would have their own separate government for a certain amount of time (I'm pretty sure that's how that worked) And now they're failing to work within that agreement, as they continuously meddle within the HK government -- and this is just one of the many examples.

HK is not in big trouble now, they've been in trouble for a long time as they're sadly under the control of the Chinese. We'll see what the future holds though.




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This is like saying: Why are you so mad that I didn't allow you to speak freely?
The HK government is controlled by Chinese sockpuppets, but there are freedoms available in HK that are not in China. These freedoms attract a lot of capital to HK, which in turn flows into China. For this reason, China cannot invade HK, or otherwise explicitly take over its government without facing serious economic consequences.

The risk for China is that HK turns into a real democracy, and democracy spread into mainland China. This would mean the end of the Chinese government as it exists today.

China's long term goal for HK is to maintain influence over HK via its sockpuppets, however it seems someone got greedy as to how much control they wanted over HK and this has backfired.


An interesting part of the story is that HK protestors are displaying American flags and singing the US national anthem as a symbol of freedom.

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Why do you guys think Hongkong govt is controlled by sockpuppets of PRoC?

If so, things like this should never happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances
The PRoC leaders should have just made a phone call to their sockpuppets and ask fer an legal arrest other than sending agents to kidnap and doing the rest of stupid things.

Anyway, after protests losing control, it is likely the Hongkong govt would seek support from PRoC at the price of being true sockpuppet of PRoC.

Bah, this world is so ridiculous that people's endeavor and good wishes often drive things to the opposite direction.

This reminds me of 1989 protests in China which lost control in the end and dealt severe blows to the reforming faction within commie party. The representative figure of the faction Zhao Ziyang was removed as a result.
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Hasn't the Chinese government backtracked on the changes to the law. If this is so, then the protests are no longer relevant.

Don't you find it surprising that all the banners and protest chants are in English, and not in any of the local dialects.

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Hasn't the Chinese government backtracked on the changes to the law. If this is so, then the protests are no longer relevant.

Don't you find it surprising that all the banners and protest chants are in English, and not in any of the local dialects.

Eh I mean -- 46 percent of the local population speaks English, so it's not crazy to think that the people that are protesting have the ability to speak English. (https://www.tripsavvy.com/do-people-in-hong-kong-speak-english-1535867)

But they want a formal withdrawing of the bill, which hasn't been present yet. They also want further changes, as this has caused people to look at what Chinese rule is really like. Here's the list of demands:

the withdrawal of the extradition bill; the retraction of the government’s characterisation of the protests as riots; an independent investigation into police violence; amnesty for arrested protesters; and the implementation of universal suffrage.





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August 17, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
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Hasn't the Chinese government backtracked on the changes to the law. If this is so, then the protests are no longer relevant.

Don't you find it surprising that all the banners and protest chants are in English, and not in any of the local dialects.

It was a British colony till 99, of course the people are still speaking in English. Also the bill was only postponed. Not only do they want it formally withdrawn, they want all those politicians out as well. Currently the government in Beijing appoint every official in HK, down to the police.

It's been going on for at least a month now, we just have to watch if China would risk another Tiananmen Square to maintain control.

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Hasn't the Chinese government backtracked on the changes to the law. If this is so, then the protests are no longer relevant.

Don't you find it surprising that all the banners and protest chants are in English, and not in any of the local dialects.

It was a British colony till 99, of course the people are still speaking in English. Also the bill was only postponed. Not only do they want it formally withdrawn, they want all those politicians out as well. Currently the government in Beijing appoint every official in HK, down to the police.

It's been going on for at least a month now, we just have to watch if China would risk another Tiananmen Square to maintain control.

This is the thing that people miss.

Putting something on hold / postponed isn't formally withdrawing it. The Chinese aren't good people in the least. And when you see 1/5th of a nation walking around the streets protesting SOMETHING IS MOST LIKELY WRONG INSIDE THAT COUNTRY.

There's probably nothing that could unite that many people when it comes to everyday politics -- but this is above that for them. This is their sovereignty.




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