Re: My ignore list and my feedbacks and is Poker Player acceptable?

[DireWolfM14]

Lately I've been making an effort to stay out of these types of reputation squabbles, it doesn't really serve the forum and often just turns into cliques of otherwise reputable forum members getting mud on their shoes.

But I do want to relay a story;  A couple of years ago I was offering a free escrow service, and largely due to my inexperience and naivety most of my clients turned out to be sellers of AWS mail accounts and the like, and their buyers.  As one might expect, things didn't go quite as smoothly as I hoped, and I realized I was dealing with some of the scummiest of scumbags on the forum.

But one particularly interesting thing happened during that time.  Someone took it upon themselves to make it really miserable for me to offer the service I was offering.  In the end I came to agree with intention of this unknown individual, but to this day I fume when I recall the method.  Again, I don't know who this person is, but someone started harassing me on Telegram with requests to provide escrow for some deals.  They would use these fake deals to waste my time, and the time of any seller they could get on the hook.  For a while there I was getting 4 or 5 of these time-wasting spams per week, from multiple Telegram accounts.

The point of the story is we don't know what these screenshots really reveal.  If they reveal anything!  After giving them some real consideration I have more questions than answers.  But I do have answers to these questions:  Do I believe Royse fabricated the screenshots?  Do I believe the claim that Poker Player communicated with the potential client?  Do I believe believe the "client" was real and not just a time-wasting bully?  The answer to all these questions is no, there's nothing to convince me otherwise.

As LoyceV mentioned, nothing can be proven by these screenshots.  They may look like they paint an ugly picture of one user undermining another, but there isn't nearly enough known to be sure.  And maybe, just maybe there's a small possibility that a third party is stirring the pot in the hopes to keep the drama alive.  I wouldn't put it past some of the drama queens on this forum.

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[decodx]

The point of the story is we don't know what these screenshots really reveal.  If they reveal anything!  After giving them some real consideration I have more questions than answers.  But I do have answers to these questions:  Do I believe Royse fabricated the screenshots?  Do I believe the claim that Poker Player communicated with the potential client?  Do I believe believe the "client" was real and not just a time-wasting bully?  The answer to all these questions is no, there's nothing to convince me otherwise.

As LoyceV mentioned, nothing can be proven by these screenshots.  They may look like they paint an ugly picture of one user undermining another, but there isn't nearly enough known to be sure.  And maybe, just maybe there's a small possibility that a third party is stirring the pot in the hopes to keep the drama alive.  I wouldn't put it past some of the drama queens on this forum.

I would just like to echo this. It's important to keep in mind that online communication can be easily manipulated and fabricated. It's also understandable that you have doubts about the credibility of the screenshot evidence, whether it was fabricated or not, and about the existence of the supposed client. The moment I read the alleged communication, I had my doubts about its credibility. But, even if the screenshots were genuine, there is no way to confirm the identity of the person on the other end. It could even have been that disgraced user naim027, who is still hanging around on the forum and has a history of some weird stuff like that.

[Poker Player]

And maybe, just maybe there's a small possibility that a third party is stirring the pot in the hopes to keep the drama alive. 

From my point of view, I see it so small that I consider it less than 1%, and as I know, obviously, that I have not contacted any of his clients, it is clear to me that he has manipulated the evidence, what I did not think is that he would be so stupid as to publish the screenshot with evidence of manipulation and that is why I did not even review it, apart from the fact that I know nothing about screenshot analysis.

Obviously you don't have to agree with me but I have clear answers.

But I do have answers to these questions:  Do I believe Royse fabricated the screenshots? 

I do believe it, as explained above.

Do I believe the claim that Poker Player communicated with the potential client?

It's not that I believe it, it's just that I know I haven't communicated with any of his clients.

Do I believe believe the "client" was real and not just a time-wasting bully? 

Tiny possibility in my opinion, as said above.

[GeorgeJohn]

Let us try to cut off all this dramas here, because if this should be continue many people will also emulate these and starts, having haters as well. So all this disagreement have gotten to the point where everyone will let go. Poker has said that he never contacted Rose client, so let us forget about it and make peace between the bridges. This place is internet and it's very hard before we can know each other here, and knowing each other here the possibility is high. So let us have it in mind.

[Poker Player]

Let us try to cut off all this dramas here, because if this should be continue many people will also emulate these and starts, having haters as well. So all this disagreement have gotten to the point where everyone will let go. Poker has said that he never contacted Rose client, so let us forget about it and make peace between the bridges. This place is internet and it's very hard before we can know each other here, and knowing each other here the possibility is high. So let us have it in mind.

That's not the point now. This is not just a drama between two people that don't like each other. The point now is if Royse777 fabricated the evidence to base the accusation that opens this thread, as I was told by PM by a Legendary member of the forum and as I after reviewing the screenshots also believe it was a gross manipulation of the screenshots.

I received this private message (Royse777's screenshot manipulation).

[GeorgeJohn]

That's not the point now. This is not just a drama between two people that don't like each other.

I have read through the link and noticed that the genesis of all this, is as results of disagreement, the proof tender or render by you and also by Royse is not what we have to continue to look for the fact or neither blame anyone, when we proceed to verify the fact of both of you it will end up pouring fuel on little flame of fire. So I'm appealing for both of you to subside your anger. And also avoid each other for a period of time.

[John Abraham]

What is happening in this forum? Why do you guys take everything personally? You guys are not competitors. So why do you guys keep continuing such shit? @Poker Player, Don't you think you are doing too much? You do not trust this guy, and you left the feedback. You should be done here. No? Why do you have to bump up those threads every few days and re-write your feedback? Don't get me wrong, but this doesn't make sense.

[Mpamaegbu]

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Leave his health out of this.

I think so too. While we empathize with Yahoo, we shouldn't drag his health into discussions that don't need it.

If the forum was peaceful every day, it would be fucking boring; little fights and drama like this make it a better place.

🙆‍♀️ Isn't it too early for "Vawulence" advocacy, ehn engineer? Come to think of it, this forum has been relatively peaceful for longer time than when I newly joined. There were a lot of dramatist personas in the imbroglio I can't remember now. However, I do remember that many of them then were veteran members bickering at one another and literally drawing blood. We've relative peace now than before despite the little skirmishes here and there now. Let peace continue to reign.