P2PB2B Scam!! Selling coins they don't have, wash trading, fraud and theft!

[dopey]

I recently purchased a large amount of Hempcoin from P2PB2B and after trying to withdraw from my fully verified account and after successfully sending a 600 Hempcoin test transaction, I tried to withdraw my remaining balance.

The number of coins I tried to withdraw was 2.6 million (1% of the entire circulating supply)

This withdraw was delayed and showed a status of needing withdrawal from the cold wallet. This was on the 28th of June.

After waiting patiently for 3 days I contacted them through tickets, live help, and Telegram. They kept sending me the same reply on all channels "please wait". I waited another 24 hours and contacted them again, they reacted by blocking me on Telegram and disabling my ability to contact them through live help.

I reached out to Hempcoin developers, who I have known for years and work closely with, and I was informed that he was also facing a similar problem and could not withdraw his coins either.

P2PB2B then took the Hempcoin wallet offline and disabled deposits and withdrawals.

After waiting nearly two weeks I log in today to check my balance and 600k coins are missing from my balance and I receive an email saying "Hello. Due to the discovery of the sale of unauthorized coins, one of your purchase transactions in the pair THC_BTC was rolled back."

I have been a coin dev since 2014 and have had trading accounts with many of the most popular exchanges. I have never had a withdrawal delayed for 2 weeks and never had trades that I made rolled back by an exchange because they don't have the balance to cover their trades.

I am accusing this exchange of theft, wash trading, and selling assets that they do not even own. Has anyone else experienced issues with this criminal operation?

To help others avoid being scammed please endorse my complaint with them located here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509426;page=iflags
Additionally, I encourage you to leave a negative trust if you also feel this exchange and these individuals are a risk to the community. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509426

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[dopey]

After a more thorough investigation with other Hempcoin users, it appears that this may be a matter of technical incompetence that has put users funds at risk.

From what I have seen it appears that P2PB2B made a technical error with regards to the staking feature and have been sending free Hempcoins to users. Some of these users withdrew their free coins or sold them for BTC and now due to complete incompetence on their end they do not have the balance to cover legitimate pending withdrawals.

Instead of eating these losses due to their own incompetent tech team, they have decided to rollback legitimate trades from parties not involved in this tech error and canceling their orders from 2.5 weeks ago.

Additionally, instead of admitting their mistake, they have pretended that a fraudulent transaction took place. Here is their response to my support ticket.

"One of your buy orders from 2019-06-14 20:27:17 THC_BTC amounting to 565 343 THC was reverted in order to help you to avoid any financial losses. We discovered that THC`s, which the seller sold you during this deal, were obtained in a result of fraud. The amount of BTC you spent for this deal was credited to your account."

A quick check of any Hempcoin holders deposit history on P2PB2B will clearly show free coins being deposited over the last few months (appears to be from May 20th to June 2nd) and will look something like this.

Code:

Jun 2, 2019, 11:40:02
THC
6257.9
transactionStatuses.16
Jun 1, 2019, 15:05:02
THC
1568.4
transactionStatuses.16
Jun 1, 2019, 02:40:03
THC
1574.3
transactionStatuses.16
May 31, 2019, 13:50:02
THC
1568.9
transactionStatuses.16
May 31, 2019, 06:10:02
THC
1573
transactionStatuses.16
May 30, 2019, 22:35:03
THC
3134.8
transactionStatuses.16
May 30, 2019, 11:50:03
THC
1573.5
transactionStatuses.16
May 30, 2019, 05:35:02
THC
3136.9
transactionStatuses.16
May 30, 2019, 02:20:02
THC
1567
transactionStatuses.16
May 29, 2019, 21:05:02
THC
1572.2
transactionStatuses.16
May 28, 2019, 16:55:01
THC
3129.6
transactionStatuses.16
May 27, 2019, 18:15:02
THC
1570.5
transactionStatuses.16
May 27, 2019, 16:05:02
THC
790.4
transactionStatuses.16
May 27, 2019, 08:10:03
THC
1568.1
transactionStatuses.16
May 27, 2019, 01:20:02
THC
3135.8
transactionStatuses.16
May 27, 2019, 01:20:02
THC
3134.3
transactionStatuses.16
May 26, 2019, 22:40:02
THC
3133.3
transactionStatuses.16
May 26, 2019, 16:55:02
THC
3131.7
transactionStatuses.16
May 26, 2019, 13:45:02
THC
1567.3
transactionStatuses.16
May 25, 2019, 21:50:02
THC
6256.8
transactionStatuses.16
May 25, 2019, 17:25:03
THC
3130.1
transactionStatuses.16
May 25, 2019, 06:30:02
THC
6255.8
transactionStatuses.16
May 25, 2019, 00:30:02
THC
3132.2
transactionStatuses.16
May 24, 2019, 20:05:02
THC
6261
transactionStatuses.16
May 24, 2019, 19:20:02
THC
3136.4
transactionStatuses.16
May 24, 2019, 10:55:02
THC
6260
transactionStatuses.16
May 24, 2019, 02:15:02
THC
12507.1
transactionStatuses.16
May 23, 2019, 12:45:02
THC
6262
transactionStatuses.16
May 23, 2019, 11:40:02
THC
12509.2
transactionStatuses.16
May 23, 2019, 10:40:01
THC
6258.9
transactionStatuses.16
May 23, 2019, 07:40:02
THC
12511.2
transactionStatuses.16
May 22, 2019, 13:25:02
THC
12505
transactionStatuses.16
May 22, 2019, 12:10:03
THC
25009.6
transactionStatuses.16
May 20, 2019, 22:35:01
THC
25005.5
transactionStatuses.16
May 20, 2019, 11:15:03
THC
50006.4
transactionStatuses.16
Mar 29, 2019, 19:40:02
THC
20000
Successful
Jan 31, 2019, 11:30:03
THC
100000
Successful
Jan 31, 2019, 09:50:01
THC
50000
Successful
Jan 31, 2019, 09:25:02
THC
500
Successful

To display this level of technical incompetence is a massive issue itself for any exchange.

To then lie to your users and try to cover your mistake instead of taking responsibility for your actions is shameful and it is no wonder they are using a Belize and Seychelles setup for the incorporation of their business. Only companies looking to avoid lawsuits or legal action would set up this type of infrastructure.

P2PB2B are incompetent from a technical and security standpoint and also lack the integrity and business ethics to handle other peoples money in my opinion.

To clarify* My account was never sent any free Hempcoins and my trades and attempted withdrawal are 100% legitimate and accurate. I did not even create an account with P2PB2B until June 12th and have nothing to do with these technical issues.

[suchmoon]

Did you get your BTC back? I.e. are you able to withdraw, not just see it in your account?

[dopey]

I did receive my BTC back for this reversed trade and immediately withdrew it from this exchange for obvious reasons. The issue is that because of P2PB2B not being able to solve this problem or even disclose it for weeks, Hempcoin is actually waiting on them to enable and execute withdrawals in order to migrate to the Komodo platform and perform their swap.

It will not matter to them that I executed this trade about 3 weeks ago in preparation for this swap and am now left with 0 ability to reacquire this position. That is, unfortunately, my problem and besides the point.

The bigger issue is the fact that they are trying to cover this up and reverse trades from 3 weeks ago to fix a mistake they made a few months ago. There has been no transparency or honesty coming from their end and this alone raises many red flags.

Another issue, many exchanges that get hacked are due to a new coin being introduced with malicious code or some sort of back door programmed in.

If they can't even set up Hempcoin properly and are sending free coins to users, allowing users to withdraw and spend these coins, mixing this whole mess in with legitimate trades and transactions, reversing trades from weeks ago, blocking, banning, and lying to "customers" to cover it up...  

How safe are your holdings with this company?

With the number of coins they are signing up on a daily basis, apparently whoever pays the fee, do you believe they have the technical capability to properly vet these projects and ensure your funds are safe?

I am fairly certain in the next couple of days/weeks I will see the rest of my legitimate trades reversed from 3 weeks ago and anticipate losing my entire position on this trade which again was 2.6 million (1% of the circulating supply).

Terrible experience with these guys.

[AdolfinWolf]

To then lie to your users and try to cover your mistake instead of taking responsibility for your actions is shameful and it is no wonder they are using a Belize and Seychelles setup for the incorporation of their business. Only companies looking to avoid lawsuits or legal action would set up this type of infrastructure.

Not necessarily. They're in general simply useful for businesses who don't want to abide every law/regulation that the US/EU shits out.

Anyway, although you didn't really mention what you meant by washtrading except to mention it in your title, i do think you're right. Their traffic rankings are  almost *exponentially* lower than all of their competitors, yet they sometimes have twice the volume.


This is the case for most exchanges listed on CMC though, all of them except for maybe binance, bittrex, and a handful of others.

Some comparison:

https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/p2pb2b/  

Code:

24 H Volume - $168,319,947 USD 
13,362 BTC

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/p2pb2b.io

Code:

Alexa ranking: This site ranks:
#72,901
in global internet engagement

https://www.similarweb.com/website/p2pb2b.io#display

Code:

Global Rank
Worldwide
 95,917

Now lets take a look at some of their direct competitors in the # reported volume metrics:

Code: (https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/gate-io/)

$153,097,381 USD 
12,156 BTC

Code: (https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gate.io)

This site ranks:
#17,010
in global internet engagement

https://www.similarweb.com/website/gate.io - 2.7 million visits.
https://www.similarweb.com/website/p2pb2b.io 0.5 million visits.
Gate.io gets 5 times as many visitors as p2pb2p.io, yet they have a lower volume. >big brain time.

Another one:

Code: (https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/bittrex/)

$90,232,784 USD 
7,168 BTC

Code: (https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bittrex.com)

#4,109
in global internet engagement

https://www.similarweb.com/website/p2pb2b.io#display
30% of their traffic is referral of which another 50% is from faucets. That must definitely inflate their traffic stats as well.

[dopey]

Anyway, although you didn't really mention what you meant by washtrading except to mention it in your title, i do think you're right. Their traffic rankings are  almost *exponentially* lower than all of their competitors, yet they sometimes have twice the volume.

Yes, this is evident without even having to dig very deep.

[IconFirm]

Anyway, although you didn't really mention what you meant by washtrading except to mention it in your title, i do think you're right. Their traffic rankings are  almost *exponentially* lower than all of their competitors, yet they sometimes have twice the volume.

Yes, this is evident without even having to dig very deep.

Yeah, I've been warning about this P2PB2B outfit for months in my sig - their crazy volumes are the worst fake numbers I've ever seen. I read elsewhere on this forum that their software is an exact clone of another exchange & that both are owned/run by the same people, I can't remember the thread, but if I find it again I'll post a link.

At least you got your BTC back though, not that it excuses their incompetence. A damn shady exchange all round & well worth staying clear of.

[IconFirm]

Found the link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4971628.msg51698093#msg51698093

Lots of info there, well worth a read.

Another Russian scam exchange.

[dopey]

Well, the snapshot and migration to Komodo are now completed and I was never sent my coins from P2PB2B. Literally tried to withdraw for 3 weeks in anticipation of the snapshot and the only support I received from their end was "please wait, don't open another ticket" for 3 weeks.

Due to the complete technical incompetence of P2PB2B in combination with their non-existent customer support and zero public statements made about this incident I have just lost 2.6 MILLION (1% of the entire currency).

P2PB2B is a scam and they have still not addressed, fixed, or made a statement about this matter.

[fratoshi]

Coinsbit and p2pb2b are running the same exchange script, someone reported that

[vejonkaren]

Beware of so-called b2bp2p scam exchange.

https://p2pb2b.io

They will steal your money.

Today I decide to give a try to this service. After the registration I tried to deposit some money and found that there's minimum amount requirement.

Ok, the minimum is 50 Sem so I transfer exactly 50 Sem to the address provided by b2bp2p.

P2PB2B generated my deposit address as 0x3ced649fbbce02397bdc7edfaf87bc12ac6eafa4

Go check the records:

https://semux.info/explorer/account/0x3ced649fbbce02397bdc7edfaf87bc12ac6eafa4

12:42:06, 17 Jul 2019 0x3ced649fbbce02397bdc7edfaf87bc12ac6eafa4 50 SEM arrived.

a minute later at 12:43:02, 17 Jul 2019 scammers took my money from my deposit and sent 'em to unknown address 0x0bf9e08ec7f34fd2f9b503a132915b1880cba7f7

Voila! No money in my wallet. Where they're? On the unknown account.

Did my deposit address got 50 sem? YES
Did I asked to play with my money to send 'em between wallets? NO
Was I warned that scammers gonna play with my money thus they need more sem to pay the fee for their games? NO
Have I lost my entire deposit according to scammers' logic. YES
Should I label P2PB2B as scammers? The answer is obvious.

[vejonkaren]

One experienced troubles with scammer should issue a flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2509426

[vejonkaren]

The fraudsters behind this scambag are all russians and ukrainians.
They lie that they're from Estonia and UK.
This is 146% lie.

[JollyGood]

Found the link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4971628.msg51698093#msg51698093

Lots of info there, well worth a read.

Another Russian scam exchange.

COINSBIT and P2PB2B = SCAM


Yes P2PB2B finally admitted the "were" connected to the Coinsbit scammers because they "shared" the same developer team in the early days: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51834549#msg51834549

I posted these too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51853699#msg51853699
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51865201#msg51865201

You will notice the "thank you for getting in touch" and "feel free to ask if you have more questions" politeness has changed to "You let everyone know that you're manipulator and the chief source of fud but it isn't really a problem for anonymous, right?". They were never going to keep up the nice-nice mask forever...  





Their "headquarter" is a mailing-address-for-hire that has 801 "companies" doing the same thing by pretending they have an office and business in a prestigious part of London, UK:
https://suite.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/w1u-6tu


Both Coinsbit and P2PB2B amazingly use the same software and "shared" the same team yet still make identical updates to their websites at the same time.

Amazingly they have a 24/7 support team that are fluent in the following languages: English, Chinese (Mandarin), Japanese, Russian, Indonesian, Spanish, German in that order ! (P2PB2B also added Korean) yet claim they are not connected.





Coinsbit claim they trade over $30 BILLION a year, or $84 million per day
P2PB2B  claim they trade over $60 BILLION a year, or $167 million per day

[fratoshi]

i need help to find more info, it seems that partida.io is the main company that offer services to both exchanges
here is some information

PARTIDA SERVICES OÜ
Ärinimi
Partida Services OÜ
Registrikood:
14572266

Valerii Solodovnyk

Partida and p2pb2b use a similar logo

[vejonkaren]

The portrait of serial scammer

Valerii Solodovnyk

[IconFirm]

Looking at his github page:

https://github.com/vsolodovnyk?tab=repositories

..it appears he cloned the ViaBTC exchange repo last year - so maybe he's just re-branded it in several versions/names & is throwing up these different exchanges for hoovering up user funds?.....

ViaBTC exchange is now trading as coinex.com - at least that's where clicking the link on the viabtc.com exchange button takes you (bottom of page).

[JollyGood]

Looking at his github page:

https://github.com/vsolodovnyk?tab=repositories

..it appears he cloned the ViaBTC exchange repo last year - so maybe he's just re-branded it in several versions/names & is throwing up these different exchanges for hoovering up user funds?.....

ViaBTC exchange is now trading as coinex.com - at least that's where clicking the link on the viabtc.com exchange button takes you (bottom of page).

Excellent post. This Valerii Solodovnyk seems to have his fingers in lots of "pies".

https://web.archive.org/web/20190721185140/https://github.com/vsolodovnyk?tab=repositories

[JollyGood]

Any updates to this?

The p2pb2b.io username is not logging in here any more since they were exposed

[CowboyKen]

They are a scam; I alerted several of the "trust" providers like coinmarketcap.com, Aaron is doing what he can to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure that they don't harm anyone else.

My name is CowboyKen from ArDax.com.ar and I am a real person.  I have a little personal mission to clean up the space before bitcoin really gets moving later this year.

My whatsapp is +5491135016854

Kindly,
CowboyKen