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July 11, 2019, 06:31:36 PM
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As you know, we have been plagued with the Forum Account Reproduction Movement constantly. For as long as I have been on the forum, this was one lucrative part that shady users couldn't dodge.

Question: How do we proactively suppress account farming and spammers?

Answer: Reporting posts.



Reminder for those that have forgotten: activity requires at least one post per 2-week period in order to gain the potential (and subsequently true) activity. Erase all those posts... and poof, you've used maybe 5% of the amount of time that they have to rubberband them back to 0 for that period.
If the post is not deleted... then that's good: the goal is to clear spam and disincentivize low-effort posts. If the end-result is achieved without restitution then we should be happy. Smiley

To note, even before using any page-wide report buttons (i.e. reporting every single of the 20 replies) it takes me about 30 seconds to go through a page of one-liners. That's usually equal to at least a week or two of time. And if they create a single one-liner, it's likely they'll have many many more.


Most of the offenders tend to stick to the low-hanging fruit type of threads and boards. These include: Trading/Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Altcoin Discussion, etc. (you all know where)
Take the reins and rear the forum away from spam.

Addendum.

Question: How to we more effectively suppress account farming?

Answer: Delegate some work to combat it directly, using tools that have been available in the past (take a look at rizzlarolla's history)

This is a more top-down solution.

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July 11, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
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Reminder for those that have forgotten: activity requires at least one post per 2-week period in order to gain the potential (and subsequently true) activity. Erase all those posts... and poof, you've used maybe 5% of the amount of time that they have to rubberband them back to 0 for that period.
I don't think Mods appreciate reporting long-forgotten posts:
Shouldn't it be considered a good thing if people start reporting more bad posts?
Not really. There's a couple of users who have just started frantically spamming the report queue recently with hundreds of reports a day probably because theymos announced the possibility of merit badges. It's clear some of them are actually just looking for things to report because they're reporting old threads that haven't been posted in for ages just to be 'locked' or spam posts from ages ago. Just saw one report from January on a spam post. Is that really essential? Nobody will see or miss that post whether it's there or not. Do I really need to waste my time deleting hundreds of posts long buried in a bounty thread? All it does is swamp the queue with things that are either going to take a long time to handle or not get handled at all and increases the chances of us missing something important that needs handling urgently.

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July 11, 2019, 06:52:31 PM
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Reminder for those that have forgotten: activity requires at least one post per 2-week period in order to gain the potential (and subsequently true) activity. Erase all those posts... and poof, you've used maybe 5% of the amount of time that they have to rubberband them back to 0 for that period.
I don't think Mods appreciate reporting long-forgotten posts: -snip-
Which is why I tend to go for the posts that are within the recent few weeks. Believe you me, there's far more available than you think... thousands of posts are made each hour.

I'm not saying that we have to eradicate a user's entire history. They should get the message after the first 30 "your post has been deleted" PMs. I did return to some users after they kept doing oneliners though Smiley

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July 11, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
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You can use a script that Cyrus wrote to report posts from a persons post history. If you see someone who is making a lot of low effort posts, review their post history and report posts that don’t belong, and add a note that they are wearing a paid sig if they are.

For every post of a scammer you get removed is one post they won’t get paid for.

If you see someone making low effort posts, you can also give them a friendly nudge that you think it would be beneficial if they put more effort into their posts.
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July 11, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
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Strangely, these posts have been marked as bad. Other high-spam users have also been cleared for similar posts.

Yeah sure i use cash for everyday usage if i have to, to pay bills, some real life goods or anything else related to a daily life scenario.
In case there are no available crypto payment methods you will still need to use fiat (cash).

Anyway i find your project quite interesting actually. Will take a closer look when it's started within your 16 days countdown.
so do I, where cash is needed in my country. to meet daily needs, pay bills, or eat at a restaurant, fiat money is used. there has been no breakthrough from the government to announce the legalization of crypto use as a means of payment
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If warren Buffet hold millions of bitcoin........
Foolish or low iq is i think will depend from person to person  . warren buffet for example is an educated guy , he is smart so he isnt a fool or a low iq person  . if he dont sell his coins at the pump , he cant still be consider as a fool/low iq but he can be consider smart or wise because he knows that bitcoin can grew more in the future and he can get alot of profit as much as when he sells his coins at an early pump  .
many factors that influence success in investing. in addition to intelligence, we are still faced with a psychological attack at any time with high price fluctuations. on the other hand experience also determines, if someone has experience with the market, of course he will be better prepared to face the market
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Cryptocurrency banks are already starting to work, and we will not get anywhere. Different ways of interacting with each other cryptocurrencies and banks are inevitable. The whole question is whether the services of such banks will be in demand and whether such activities will be beneficial to the banks themselves. If the demand for specific services in cryptocurrency, such as lending in cryptocurrency, is, then such banks will exist and develop. I do not see anything bad for cryptocurrency.
right, both of them should not be like the competition itself. but the government must be able to sort out by giving policies between the bank and cryptocurrency to be able to run both of them, without dropping each other
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right, I think they only think of themselves, regardless of where the market will run. when there are coins that are worth investing in, if we lack knowledge, it would be better to invest in clear coins
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Thanks for sharing your story and your concern, trading is not for everybody it is time-consuming and you should have a good concentration to analyze every chart movement, this is something not everyone can do if you think you are feeling uneasy then maybe he suffered the same thing OP has, although it's very profitable, it's not for everybody.
trading is not for those who are in a hurry, and you are right, even trading requires a large enough concentration to avoid losses. for now, I also avoid trading. maybe this is not healthy because it stresses many people when their plans are not what they want.
I think the stressed person is not a good trader, because trading is a possibility. if the candle moves not according to plan, of course we must find the cause. the market is never wrong
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July 12, 2019, 02:45:03 AM
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yep, 35 reports here 100% accuracy... and growing.... but in the past i have been extremely careful about throwing people under the bus.


I try to do my best;  as spammers are the main reason I no longer get a stipend from my signature... which was very nice initially... but the flack from just having it in the end;  definitely outweighed the benefit.


I still post the same amount in bursts as I have always done....   the larger empty periods of no posts/activity from me are generally related to my disability.

This is a test....
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July 12, 2019, 05:21:34 AM
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Reporting of one-liners has been encouraged over the period of time. But should we report all the one-liner spams which are being made to increase the post count and receive pay for it?

For instance some of the signatures allow a maximum of 60 posts to be made in a one-week time. It's not really easier to reach 60 without spamming with senseless one-liners or being active for the whole day actually. Unless if the post contributes someway or the other to the discussion its good to leave the post without reporting. MODs probably expect such activity from us,the reporters. Some of the sections are very much inactive where those one-liner posts serve the purpose of a not-bad discussion taking place. If I were to report those posts and they were removed, there would be no discussion taking place. Hence, at such sections I leave those one-liner posters free to post what they think.

I have reported over 800-850 posts till now with a 100% accuracy but I don't report the one-liners which does say something useful in their post. Low value useless shits which are being made for the sole purpose of increasing the post count are meant to be reported for sure. Other than that, merit is an important criteria to prevent the account farming on a larger extent and they do serve the purpose now. As LoyceV said I have been reporting older posts until I saw the post of hilariousandco mentioning the reports don't serve the purpose and it's just waste of our time and MOD's time to clean the older posts.

Strangely, these posts have been marked as bad. Other high-spam users have also been cleared for similar posts.
Reporting one-liner spams are commonly marked as bad or either left unhandled. It's proably because MODs think these shits contribute to the discussion.  Roll Eyes Not just this I have seen even high paying campaign participants seems to be making low effort posts in the 10-15th pages of a discussion. So, what to do with them?

Most of the offenders tend to stick to the low-hanging fruit type of threads and boards. These include: Trading/Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Altcoin Discussion, etc. (you all know where)
Gambling Discussion? Tongue One among the shittiest sections in the whole forum which can stand as a competitor to the Altcoin Discussion.


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July 12, 2019, 06:18:21 AM
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even if they dont have a signature, you can usually dig it out by looking at one or two of their post history pages....   but you cant base it off of a sig because most farming begins to build up to that point so its a catch-22.

This is a test....
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July 12, 2019, 06:23:06 AM
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Strangely, these posts have been marked as bad. Other high-spam users have also been cleared for similar posts.
What did you report the posts for? Low/no value posts?

I don't think the person can write very well English, but he is adding something to the conversation. I think if he used better grammar, you would have a better opinion on the posts. The mods don't remove posts for having bad grammar so long as what is being written is coherent. 
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July 12, 2019, 06:55:38 AM
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yep, 35 reports here 100% accuracy... and growing.... but in the past i have been extremely careful about throwing people under the bus.


my stats

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You have reported 169 posts with 94% accuracy (135 good, 10 bad, 24 unhandled). Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

170 reports and 94% accuracy Smiley

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July 12, 2019, 06:23:11 PM
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What did you report the posts for? Low/no value posts?

I don't think the person can write very well English, but he is adding something to the conversation. I think if he used better grammar, you would have a better opinion on the posts. The mods don't remove posts for having bad grammar so long as what is being written is coherent.
It makes no sense to me how those posts are valid. I included the post numbers in there for a reason.

Here's the facet that I'm trying to show with my numerical point: if a very general thread (i.e. Do you need cash for everyday use?) already has already 400 replies... enough has been said.

If you're not going to enter the topic with a nuanced reply then all you have are bland, repetitious posts.

For example, let's break down the first one:

Yeah sure i use cash for everyday usage if i have to, to pay bills, some real life goods or anything else related to a daily life scenario.
In case there are no available crypto payment methods you will still need to use fiat (cash).

Anyway i find your project quite interesting actually. Will take a closer look when it's started within your 16 days countdown.
so do I, where cash is needed in my country. to meet daily needs, pay bills, or eat at a restaurant, fiat money is used. there has been no breakthrough from the government to announce the legalization of crypto use as a means of payment

Read over DreamStage's quote... then read wahyu wida's. It's nearly identical.

"Yeah sure i use cash for everyday use if i have to" - DreamStage
"so do I, where cash is needed in my country, to meet daily needs" - wahyu wida

"to pay bills, some real life goods, or anything else" - DreamStage
"pay bills, or eat at a restaurant" - wahyu wida

"In case there are no available crypto payment methods you will still need to use fiat (cash)" - DreamStage
"fiat money is used." - wahyu wida

The only extra part that wahyu added was the point: "there has been no breakthrough from the government to announce the legalization of crypto as a means of payment"

Wow, what padding! And vagueness compiled with falsities. You can analyze it further but there's no sense in using a microscope to check out a turd.
I could extract some post from before wahyu posted that says the exact same thing but that would be time better suited to reporting more.

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July 12, 2019, 07:55:31 PM
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65  | bobby1776
63  | bitcoin31
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21  | Kiweikoo
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16  | lizaangel321
14  | muhhentuhhen
11  | Mame89




Where are you getting those stats from? Is that within the last week or month because 11 seems pretty low.

I think it would help if we got something for reporting posts, maybe a badge or something I dunno




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July 12, 2019, 09:37:39 PM
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It makes no sense to me how those posts are valid. I included the post numbers in there for a reason.
Here's the facet that I'm trying to show with my numerical point: if a very general thread (i.e. Do you need cash for everyday use?) already has already 400 replies... enough has been said.
If you're not going to enter the topic with a nuanced reply then all you have are bland, repetitious posts.

Just a thought they may have been left alone with it being a self-moderated thread. Still should have been purged or it's otherwise just promoting the creation of self-modded spam pools. I've gone thorough quite a few threads like this in Bitcoin Discussion - where I go back over the last week and report probably 16/20 posts on a page. I have taken to writing a short novel for some of the reports though.... hmmm maybe start with haikus.

These are just a couple examples of something I would type when I go through some of these threads.
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Redundant post - Generic repetitive content stalls the discussion - low value adds nothing new - sig spam
Redundant post - quoting to feign conversation - adds nothing new to the topic - spam

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July 12, 2019, 09:46:18 PM
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Reserved.
Current statistics:

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65  | bobby1776
63  | bitcoin31
44  | immortal4now
23  | ukboss
21  | Kiweikoo
19  | Starfranko
16  | lizaangel321
14  | muhhentuhhen
11  | Mame89




Where are you getting those stats from? Is that within the last week or month because 11 seems pretty low.

I think it would help if we got something for reporting posts, maybe a badge or something I dunno
11 is low because 10 was the lowest number I was going to rank them on.

The bulk of the reports start on June 24th, with some extras before that.

I've only reported roughly 3700 posts within the past couple sessions so you won't have a lot of high-good users. There's still a backlog of 600+ as I'm writing this.

I know that I'll either go through a few pages of a megathread or through 1-2 weeks of a user's post history. That's why you'll have a few polarized numbers for now.

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July 12, 2019, 09:57:51 PM
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I don't think Mods appreciate reporting long-forgotten posts:

Depends how far back you decide to go, if you see a shitpost on the same page where a discussion is still being held (e.g. not a very active topic, or one revived recently), I don't see any wrong in reporting an older post, as other users visiting or returning to that topic may otherwise waste their time having to skim through the shitpost(s).

Strangely, these posts have been marked as bad. Other high-spam users have also been cleared for similar posts.

These posts are shit, but they're borderline cases, so you might not necessarily see them removed.

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July 13, 2019, 01:29:44 AM
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Strangely, these posts have been marked as bad. Other high-spam users have also been cleared for similar posts.

Yeah sure i use cash for everyday usage if i have to, to pay bills, some real life goods or anything else related to a daily life scenario.
In case there are no available crypto payment methods you will still need to use fiat (cash).

Anyway i find your project quite interesting actually. Will take a closer look when it's started within your 16 days countdown.
so do I, where cash is needed in my country. to meet daily needs, pay bills, or eat at a restaurant, fiat money is used. there has been no breakthrough from the government to announce the legalization of crypto use as a means of payment
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If warren Buffet hold millions of bitcoin........
Foolish or low iq is i think will depend from person to person  . warren buffet for example is an educated guy , he is smart so he isnt a fool or a low iq person  . if he dont sell his coins at the pump , he cant still be consider as a fool/low iq but he can be consider smart or wise because he knows that bitcoin can grew more in the future and he can get alot of profit as much as when he sells his coins at an early pump  .
many factors that influence success in investing. in addition to intelligence, we are still faced with a psychological attack at any time with high price fluctuations. on the other hand experience also determines, if someone has experience with the market, of course he will be better prepared to face the market
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Cryptocurrency banks are already starting to work, and we will not get anywhere. Different ways of interacting with each other cryptocurrencies and banks are inevitable. The whole question is whether the services of such banks will be in demand and whether such activities will be beneficial to the banks themselves. If the demand for specific services in cryptocurrency, such as lending in cryptocurrency, is, then such banks will exist and develop. I do not see anything bad for cryptocurrency.
right, both of them should not be like the competition itself. but the government must be able to sort out by giving policies between the bank and cryptocurrency to be able to run both of them, without dropping each other
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right, I think they only think of themselves, regardless of where the market will run. when there are coins that are worth investing in, if we lack knowledge, it would be better to invest in clear coins
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Thanks for sharing your story and your concern, trading is not for everybody it is time-consuming and you should have a good concentration to analyze every chart movement, this is something not everyone can do if you think you are feeling uneasy then maybe he suffered the same thing OP has, although it's very profitable, it's not for everybody.
trading is not for those who are in a hurry, and you are right, even trading requires a large enough concentration to avoid losses. for now, I also avoid trading. maybe this is not healthy because it stresses many people when their plans are not what they want.
I think the stressed person is not a good trader, because trading is a possibility. if the candle moves not according to plan, of course we must find the cause. the market is never wrong
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I've marked some of your reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in you've reported the same post twice or more) so it could be that.

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July 15, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
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I've marked some of your reports as bad since they were duplicates (as in you've reported the same post twice or more) so it could be that.
No idea if it's that. I saw some reports that were marked as bad to which the posts were still up, so it might be something else. The mentioned posts are still up, as well.

There was also one instance where the report was marked as good, yet the post remained (it even had the strikethrough text).
Statistics updated. Vinaa77 with 523 reports, still unbanned.

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July 15, 2019, 06:27:21 PM
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I remembered that theymos posted some kind of badge for the users and they will receive a different colored badge depending on the number of their good reports. This is some kind of appreciation for the reporters in the forum and I think this will motivate a lot of members to report spam in the forum. If this somehow happen in the future I think a lot of members will join and become a spambuster of their own so that they'll earn that badge.

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Last edit: July 16, 2019, 02:12:50 AM by malevolent
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I'm not sure it's the best of ideas, there is already a problem (maybe not the best word to use since reporting shouldn't be discouraged) with people reporting long buried and forgotten 5-year-old (and older) threads, I assume just to get their reporting accuracy a notch higher, with badges I can foresee mods, especially global mods, being inundated with reports from boards which don't have dedicated mods, or with reports from the altcoin boards.

Maybe it'd make more sense if posts older than x days had 0.1x weight of newer posts, where x is 90, or 7 if it's in an altcoin board. Or something more elaborate.

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