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July 28, 2019, 04:52:56 AM
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You can't beat printing it out for security.
You can - writing it down. There exists malware which can run on printers and provide 3rd parties with details of what you are printing. If that includes your mnemonic phrase or private key, then you can say goodbye to your coins.

I remember the "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" thingy whenever I see someone mentions printing something useful/important to them on an affected printer. I mean, it could not be that big of a security issue considering that the attacker only forces the printers to print that text and do nothing else, but the mere fact that people can gain access on a printer surrounded by tight systems is pretty much a sczry thought on itself. Since then, I never made any fresh backups of my wallet printed and stuck to my old habits: taking a dusty 2013 laptop which I never use anymore and store everything there. The hardware is still usable and can hold itself together knowing that I replaced some parts, for the sole purpose of keeping my coins in there.

It's a cheaper solution compared to a hardware wallet and does any other things apart from just being a hardware wallet, too.

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I mean, it could not be that big of a security issue considering that the attacker only forces the printers to print that text and do nothing else, but the mere fact that people can gain access on a printer surrounded by tight systems is pretty much a sczry thought on itself.
If they can force a printer to print a file, it means they are able to send the file to the printer to be printed. In some cases, and with the right file, being able to send a file to a printer is enough to be able to remotely execute malicious code (example: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-5924). Obviously printer malware could steal the details of anything being printed, including paper wallets, but it can also use the printer to propagate malware through the network and infect other machines with anything from clipboard malware to ransomware. Although it is improving, many network capable printers still have little or no in-built security. It's probably not a big concern for the average user, but it can be a serious vector of attack against businesses and corporations. If you are concerned, you can pick up an old school wired printer for ~$20.

It's a cheaper solution compared to a hardware wallet and does any other things apart from just being a hardware wallet, too.
You should be careful doing anything else on the device which is storing your crypto. It should be permanently air gapped, and you should also be very careful plugging it in to any external devices or using removable media such as USB drives, as these can be used to transfer malware. Ideally, you should use it for crypto and nothing else.

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July 29, 2019, 09:29:52 AM
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Or burn a CD that includes your private keys and seeds as a safe alternative.

I hardly doubt a burned CD can be deemed as "secure".
I had a good number of faulty CD backup after a certain logn time, with all the data written on those immediately lost.
I wouldn't store anything valuable on a home-burned CD.

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July 29, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
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Printers have become way too comboluted with "smart" tech that they are a massive security hole in your setup. You would need an old printer from the 90's with 0 connectivity outside the parallel port.

Ideally you just want a QR code reader, something like this:


And make sure it doesn't have any dumb smarts on it. It would be next to impossible to crack an air-gapped setup using those guns.
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July 29, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
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Or burn a CD that includes your private keys and seeds as a safe alternative.

I hardly doubt a burned CD can be deemed as "secure".
I had a good number of faulty CD backup after a certain logn time, with all the data written on those immediately lost.
I wouldn't store anything valuable on a home-burned CD.


I supported what you said cause it something I have experienced before and it hard for me to get over all the important document and private information which worth a fortune lost through private CD burned but what I used now is high-quality flash with fireproof case. However, using the burn CD as s safe alternative is not something bad either

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