Anunymint ban

[suchmoon]

Only if you promise to reply with huge walls of text from conspiracy sites of home-schooled "lawyers"

Appeal to authority is not an argument. It’s a trolling tactic that attempts to obfuscate that you really don’t want to respond to the logic presented.

You got your moronic ass whipped and ran away from the arguments.

You're the one making the claim that certain websites banned Alex Jones due to GDPR but failed to show any proof of that so there is nothing else to respond to. And I should probably stop helping you to evade your ban by using this thread as your soapbox. Let me know the address of your decentralized website and let's continue there.

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[Shelby_Moore_III_]

Let me know the address of your decentralized website and let's continue there.

Apparently you’re incapable of simultaneously executing your moronic Millennial grandstanding and strawmen, while also opening your fucking eyes. The link was provided on the prior page of this thread.

https://steemit.com/blockchain/@anonymint/jesus-bitcoin-is-somewhat-sovereign-democracy-not

but failed to show any proof

You are incapable of discerning lipstick and a pig, so how would you know? You also stated that you didn’t read my posts.

Is this what you do for a “career”? Do you feel accomplishment today?

Suggestion: go hump a cow, smoke some weed, or take Xanax so you can feel better about your low self-esteem.

And I should probably stop helping you to evade your ban by using this thread as your soapbox.

Are you so deluded as to think:

• You’re helping me do something that I have proven I am perfectly capable of doing without you anytime I want to.
• That posting in Meta in the thread about my perma-ban is evading a ban, when it is specifically allowed and thus not evading the ban.

Habitually lying to yourself to give yourself dopamine hits of false accomplishment is a pathology of crab-bucket insanity.



EDIT: My grandparents’ generation had great respect for institutions including the government. I think the boomers also still have that to a significant degree. My X generation is quite skeptical and pragmatic because we were the first kids of the boomers who were too busy getting divorced to actually raise us in a system that we could respect. The Millennials are the late batch of kids from boomers and my generation’s kids. There is an excellent Quora Q&A that characterizes that generation well in my opinion. Of course on an individual level people are unique and stereotypes don't entirely hold.

Some answers I have selected:

https://www.quora.com/Are-millennials-more-narcissistic-than-older-generations/answer/Angie-Neik
(that answer above explains what I was saying about my generation)

https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Matthew-Laine-1
(Matthew Laine has a 180 IQ)

https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Gustin-Fox-Smith
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/David-Haldorsen
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Faith-Paul-2
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Chris-Everett
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Grant-Schmutte
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Ej-Gravis
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Torie-J-Patterson
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Lance-LaSalle
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Nikolite
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Michael-Brescia-2
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Henriikka-Keskinen
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Charles-Stone-6
https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/William-Beteet-1

And reading those answers further strengthens my resolve to provide decentralization technology to help these Millennials economically.  Compare the negativity of the answers to the positivism of the answers from Asians:

https://www.quora.com/Do-millennials-feel-more-entitled-than-previous-generations/answer/Xiaobei-Jia

That IMO reflects the decadence of the West.

[Shelby_Moore_III_]

AnonyMint's posts are almost exclusively jargon-laden techno-babble.  His posts are angry and abusive while at the same time they often fail to even make syntactic sense when it comes to the technical content-- at least to anyone who knows what the words mean.  He relentlessly floods threads with his trademark nonsense and switches to slanderous personal attacks whenever someone disagrees with him

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AnonyMint is not the only example of this sort of abusive ignorance that shows up on the forum, -- it's not uncommon for newbies who are used to being the smartest guy in whatever little pond they came from to show up and say they're going to "fix bitcoin" while calling everyone else an idiot for the couple months it takes for them to realize how little they actually know...

Another rebuttal has been posted (in the other thread about my perma-pan) to @Gmaxwell’s slanderous allegation that my technical points are incorrect babble:

It’s been 9+ months so I wanted to add an update on my perma-ban.

For those who might be curious about if I disappeared from crypto, absolutely not. I wrote a very important new blog slamdunk refuting all those Core supporters who wanted me perma-banned:

Lightning Networks must FAIL, if it succeeds

(an alternative link for the above which has different fonts)

And over the past several days was my prescient prediction of today’s BTC price breakout which occurred on the exact day I predicted days in advance.

The above linked blog ties in links to all archived past discussion (other than the posts which weren’t archived) which was deleted by @mprep. And it flattens my analysis of Lightning Networks and the impossibility of Bitcoin transaction scaling.

Bitcoin Core is an altcoin. This will become evident eventually over the next several years, decade, or so. This is an example of a very unpopular analysis which caused so many to want me perma-banned.

Here is a link to an update about my ongoing gut health battle (after apparently curing the Tuberculosis in 2017 with 6 months of liver toxic antibiotics), as well as the latest naming ideas for the altcoin project I’m still involved.

P.S. I have respected the perma-ban and have not attempted to post outside of Meta for the past 9+ months. Also I have not even relayed posts outside of Meta via my friends (who are indeed not my sockpuppet accounts) such as @Traxo.

[DooMAD]

What happened to the forum donations?

I don't see what relevance that has to anonymint being a disruptive schizophrenic who kept registering new accounts and generally being a nuisance.  If you want to discuss forum donations, start a new topic (assuming you aren't yet another attempt to ban evade by anonymint).

[Last of the V8s]

^^ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=49247 

[vokain1]

^^ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=49247  

Yep. That was me. My last post that was under my control of that account was on July 31, 2017, 04:02:47 PM. After that, my account got hacked and the recovery email changed, and the controller went on a spam/scam spree (posts most of which are now deleted)

See user tysat's feedback that he left for me by my request, "This account has been hacked and is not controlled by the original owner anymore"

What happened to the forum donations?

I don't see what relevance that has to anonymint being a disruptive schizophrenic who kept registering new accounts and generally being a nuisance.  If you want to discuss forum donations, start a new topic (assuming you aren't yet another attempt to ban evade by anonymint).

Can't you mute people? "Nuisance" is a totally subjective term. This is a public internet forum for the exchange ideas. Did AnonyMint ever go out and doxx people, harassing them outside of words on this forum?  I, for one, appreciated his voice. The loss of people like him was why I had no real interest of recovering my account. I bring up that bit because it says a lot about the nature of those running the place. Crypto sites for the discussion of crypto are supposed to be a more or less free community. The same type of people that would pocket forum donations would ban someone with inconvenient opinions/voices like AnonyMint.

[DooMAD]

"Nuisance" is a totally subjective term.

Rules, however, are far less subjective.  The rules say that registering new accounts after you get banned means that those accounts get banned too.  

This is a public internet forum for the exchange ideas. Did AnonyMint ever go out and doxx people, harassing them outside of words on this forum?  I, for one, appreciated his voice. The loss of people like him was why I had no real interest of recovering my account. I bring up that bit because it says a lot about the nature of those running the place. Crypto sites for the discussion of crypto are supposed to be a more or less free community. The same type of people that would pocket forum donations would ban someone with inconvenient opinions/voices like AnonyMint.

As has been reiterated numerous times, it's not the opinions that got him banned, but how he chose to express them:

It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting. But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans. This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable. People who do so are not welcome here. His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time. I think the people concerned about AnonyMint's "free speech" in this thread are being duped into being pawns in AnonyMint's efforts to shut down the freedom of others to communicate and associate. AnonyMint is clearly free to post whatever he wants on his own site (and any other site that can stand him). You're free to discuss his "ideas" with him there, if they interest you.   But when the forum invites AnonyMint to post without restriction, other people aren't practically able to have the discussions they want to have-- he drowns them out and buries them under toxic stink. If a community can't choose topics and participants then anyone who wants can shut down a communities ability to communicate. If this isn't obvious to you yet, consider a silly analogy:  I think we can all mostly agree that people generally ought to be able to operate their own bodies as they see fit, without other people restricting how they use them. But then we have a public pool that the community likes to use and since it's a public pool we all agree everyone ought to have equal access to it.  But then comes AnonyMint and for whatever reason he insists on using his autonomy over his bodily functions to deficate in the pool and refuses to cut it out.  Some people can't smell it and aren't worried about pathogens and don't mind. But a lot of people do mind and won't get in the crapped up water. So his "freedom" to use the pool without restriction on his conduct ultimately denies others the free use of the pool that they ought to be able to use. If the pool operator won't keep the crapper out, then people will go off to use other shit free pools... and leave the original one for people who like shitting in the pool and the few who don't mind it. Reasonable people can usually disagree about exactly _where_ the line should be drawn. But the principle that sometimes you've got to set and enforce limits to create a space that people can actually enjoy should be something we all agree on.  In AnonyMint's case, I think almost everyone would agree his conduct has been consistently far over the line, but I think his abusive conspiracy theorizing rants strike a resonance in some people and blind them to how intolerable the guy actually is...

In short, his ban makes free and open discussion far easier to attain.

[vokain1]

"Nuisance" is a totally subjective term.

Rules, however, are far less subjective.  The rules say that registering new accounts after you get banned means that those accounts get banned too.  

This is a public internet forum for the exchange ideas. Did AnonyMint ever go out and doxx people, harassing them outside of words on this forum?  I, for one, appreciated his voice. The loss of people like him was why I had no real interest of recovering my account. I bring up that bit because it says a lot about the nature of those running the place. Crypto sites for the discussion of crypto are supposed to be a more or less free community. The same type of people that would pocket forum donations would ban someone with inconvenient opinions/voices like AnonyMint.

As has been reiterated numerous times, it's not the opinions that got him banned, but how he chose to express them:

It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting. But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans. This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable. People who do so are not welcome here. His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time. I think the people concerned about AnonyMint's "free speech" in this thread are being duped into being pawns in AnonyMint's efforts to shut down the freedom of others to communicate and associate. AnonyMint is clearly free to post whatever he wants on his own site (and any other site that can stand him). You're free to discuss his "ideas" with him there, if they interest you.   But when the forum invites AnonyMint to post without restriction, other people aren't practically able to have the discussions they want to have-- he drowns them out and buries them under toxic stink. If a community can't choose topics and participants then anyone who wants can shut down a communities ability to communicate. If this isn't obvious to you yet, consider a silly analogy:  I think we can all mostly agree that people generally ought to be able to operate their own bodies as they see fit, without other people restricting how they use them. But then we have a public pool that the community likes to use and since it's a public pool we all agree everyone ought to have equal access to it.  But then comes AnonyMint and for whatever reason he insists on using his autonomy over his bodily functions to deficate in the pool and refuses to cut it out.  Some people can't smell it and aren't worried about pathogens and don't mind. But a lot of people do mind and won't get in the crapped up water. So his "freedom" to use the pool without restriction on his conduct ultimately denies others the free use of the pool that they ought to be able to use. If the pool operator won't keep the crapper out, then people will go off to use other shit free pools... and leave the original one for people who like shitting in the pool and the few who don't mind it. Reasonable people can usually disagree about exactly _where_ the line should be drawn. But the principle that sometimes you've got to set and enforce limits to create a space that people can actually enjoy should be something we all agree on.  In AnonyMint's case, I think almost everyone would agree his conduct has been consistently far over the line, but I think his abusive conspiracy theorizing rants strike a resonance in some people and blind them to how intolerable the guy actually is...

In short, his ban makes free and open discussion far easier to attain.

I asked earlier, isn't there a mute button? I don't want for central mgmt. to decide for me what they think is noise and what isn't.

[vokain1]

LOL


To whom it may concern: How was my deleted comment off topic? It discussed why Mgmt. would have incentive to ban inconvenient voices such as that of AnonyMint, namely because he may have exposed or at least asked about possible  conflicts of interest that are not being disclosed.


Was  it off topic because I posted these easily Googlable links??? Well sir, I BEG TO DIFFER
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7cvnxy/6900_btc_in_donations_6_years_in_development/
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6w6t5c/utheymos_has_taken_in_over_9000_bitcoin_donations/

[DooMAD]

To whom it may concern: How was my deleted comment off topic? It discussed why Mgmt. would have incentive to ban inconvenient voices such as that of AnonyMint, namely because he may have exposed or at least asked about possible  conflicts of interest that are not being disclosed.

Likely because someone (not me, BTW) reported your post because they don't accept your premise that forum donations are in any way related to the topic of Anonymint being banned.  It's also likely a mod agreed because it's a tenuous link at best.  The reasons for the ban have been explained.  It had nothing whatsoever to do with donations, ergo donations are off-topic in this thread.  

Again, start a new topic if you want to pursue the specific discussion around donations.  But in all honesty, I don't see you having much success in getting his ban overturned.

[vokain1]

To whom it may concern: How was my deleted comment off topic? It discussed why Mgmt. would have incentive to ban inconvenient voices such as that of AnonyMint, namely because he may have exposed or at least asked about possible  conflicts of interest that are not being disclosed.

Likely because someone (not me, BTW) reported your post because they don't accept your premise that forum donations are in any way related to the topic of Anonymint being banned.  It's also likely a mod agreed because it's a tenuous link at best.  The reasons for the ban have been explained.  It had nothing whatsoever to do with donations, ergo donations are off-topic in this thread.  

Again, start a new topic if you want to pursue the specific discussion around donations.  But in all honesty, I don't see you having much success in getting his ban overturned.

I don't really care about getting his ban overturned. I do care about having a fair forum. I know it's not my forum, and I'm not really attached to BCT either. It's just a little silly.

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What a fucking nutjob. Begs the admin to delete his account, gets pissy about not being able to do so, goes away, comes back, gets banned, keeps coming back under a flurry of different accounts, gets banned again, has "other posters" "relay his posts" because he can't bear to be away, continuously fights his ban under numerous sockpuppets. That's a lot of effort for somebody who insisted on having his account deleted to the point of getting pissy about it.

I found his neverending verbal diarrhea to be boring. It was just indicative of an absurd degree of narcissism, and entirely uninteresting. Not a fan of cult-of-personality wannabes.

I asked earlier, isn't there a mute button? I don't want for central mgmt. to decide for me what they think is noise and what isn't.

If the guy can't follow a pretty simple rule, he shouldn't be allowed to post. That should be pretty easy to understand.

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Yeah, it was Anonymint (or at the very least someone pretending to be him). A statement from theymos on why Anonymint is banned from the forum:

He has several accounts all banned for ban evasion. It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting. But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans. This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable. People who do so are not welcome here.

His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time.

bitcointalk.org is not a normal for-profit company. Even if banning iamnotback somehow stopped all future ad revenue, he would still be banned, since his rule-breaking is disrupting the forum's mission of hosting free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. (As explained above, "free discussion" is not "unmoderated discussion".) Similarly, I would welcome effective competition from decentralized forums, and I would be thrilled to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org in favor of a better-in-all-ways decentralized alternative. But although decentralized forums have existed for a long time (eg. Freenet's FMS is almost exactly what iamnotback keeps describing, and has existed since before Bitcoin), they have unfortunately not been widely used since the era of the semi-decentralized Usenet system, mainly due to vastly inferior usability.

tl;dr he refused to follow the forum's rules, got temp banned several times, ban evaded and continued breaking the rules, got permabanned and continues creating new accounts and ban evading.

For anyone still not aware of the roller coaster that is the Anonymint general discussion thread, feel free to check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0.

"Excessive autoposting"? ufkm? If you have ideas that you're writing on the fly, and in the breadth that is discussed, why shouldn't you be able to use multiple messages to organize thoughts? Knowing him, probably more like not kissing the ass an admin and his rules (that aren't evenly enforced). I've met at least one admin like that before. I got banned quick after debating an issue with him.  

What about people's threads where they make multiple posts the first posts? Did AnonyMint continually re-enter and post in individuals' moderated topics after being asked to leave? IIRC, that's a bannable offense. IMHO, this should be as free and public a forum as possible.

I think it is ironic that the presumption that multi-posting drowns out others' voices is reason to censor and ban AnonyMint. I'd have to see what sort of multi-posts were being made. If there was meritorious discussion, there is no reason to censor the length of a message. He always writes about the technical. Allow the space. If the accusation is spam, that is subjective, and I'd like to see the case.   Arguing is different than shilling. Why can't you post the same thing in another relevant thread, when the audience is composed of a different pool of individuals? That is simply how you plant seeds.

[suchmoon]

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All "he" needs to do is use the "Edit" button. Much easier than typing a 3-paragraph essay about this uber-smart user who for some inexplicable reason is unable to grasp simple rules.

[vokain1]

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All "he" needs to do is use the "Edit" button. Much easier than typing a 3-paragraph essay about this uber-smart user who for some inexplicable reason is unable to grasp simple rules.

That can be true. Personally, I understand why multiple posts are generally not allowed, especially when they're short messages, but the purpose of OPs who reserve the first few messages is usually due to them posting lots of information. The guy writes a lot and I would think it'd be easier to have stuff organized in multiple messages.

Same reason why we appreciate line breaks in between paragraphs.