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August 12, 2019, 03:57:13 AM
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I am curious to know about what will happen to those decentralized exchanges which refuse to do KYC. Will they be seized, just like the feds seized BTC-e/Wex.nz? I hope that at least some of them will move underground (i.e to the onion sites). I don't know how difficult will it be to use a TOR-based exchange, but it should be manageable. But if someone comes up with such an exchange, then there is always a chance of users getting scammed. See what happened to Ether Delta. They used to be one of the most reliable decentralized exchanges out there and if I am not wrong they had the highest trade volumes among all the DEX sites. Now they are being accused of robbing users of their funds, in an elaborate exit scam.
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August 12, 2019, 05:35:26 AM
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I am curious to know about what will happen to those decentralized exchanges which refuse to do KYC. Will they be seized, just like the feds seized BTC-e/Wex.nz?

the feds will be risking embarrassment when they can't seize anything. with fiat exchanges, they can at least freeze/seize bank and payment processor accounts and really hurt an exchange's operations. if it's totally non-custodial and operated from overseas, the feds are powerless to seize anything more than a domain and some servers. the site can be spun up again overnight.

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August 12, 2019, 11:10:28 PM
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News on Etherdelta, it ran an ICO and exit scammed with the funds. I did not know decentralized exchanges can do this hehehe.


Chinese police investigate alleged $176,000 EtherDelta exit scam

The new owners of EtherDelta reportedly ran an ICO and then disappeared, taking the funds with them.

Non-custodial exchange EtherDelta has been reported to police for allegedly conducting an exit scam, according to Dovey Wan, a partner at cryptocurrency investment fund Primitive Ventures. The dispute involves the sale of Ethereum-based tokens native to the exchange, called EtherDelta Tokens (EDT).


Read in full https://decrypt.co/8263/chinese-police-investigates-alleged-etherdelta

The ICO itself isn't decentralized, so it's not surprising. Besides, why the hell a DEX need their own token anyway, the DEX could run fine without it.

But it's just matter of time before someone attempt to fork EtherDelta source code and deploy it on Ethereum under different name.
Yeah, lol. I don't even know how they raised almost $200,000 in such a useless ICO. DEX's are decentralized and don't need anything to run - if I was one of the investors, I'd suspect an exit scam for sure.

I agree, I reckon the best way to move forward is to just clone the EtherDelta DEX code and re-create a new decentralized exchange with no ICO, or crowdfunding.

I am curious to know about what will happen to those decentralized exchanges which refuse to do KYC. Will they be seized, just like the feds seized BTC-e/Wex.nz? I hope that at least some of them will move underground (i.e to the onion sites). I don't know how difficult will it be to use a TOR-based exchange, but it should be manageable. But if someone comes up with such an exchange, then there is always a chance of users getting scammed. See what happened to Ether Delta. They used to be one of the most reliable decentralized exchanges out there and if I am not wrong they had the highest trade volumes among all the DEX sites. Now they are being accused of robbing users of their funds, in an elaborate exit scam.
I doubt governments will be able to seize decentralized exchanges - it's like them seizing and stopping BTC from even existing. I don't think onion sites are needed now, but possibly if more pressure is exerted from the governments, we could see that.

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August 13, 2019, 01:32:09 AM
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@timerland. Agreed! Also, one country's strict ban might be another country's opportunity to use it versus the country that banned it. It might also increase demand in that country hehehe.

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August 13, 2019, 01:56:16 AM
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Cannot see .market on the thread, not on the site easily either.
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August 13, 2019, 02:50:49 AM
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I am curious to know about what will happen to those decentralized exchanges which refuse to do KYC. Will they be seized, just like the feds seized BTC-e/Wex.nz?

How would they seize something which is decentralized (and distributed as well)?

Would they hunt all ETH miners, pools and node owners to stop DEX which use ETH smart contract?
Would they hunt the developer of the DEX, which won't stop DEX from running fine without them?

At most they would black list known coins which pass through DEX and block all website about DEX.

If I am not wrong, the domains can be easily seized. And after what happened with BTC-e/Wex.nz, I believe that in many cases the authorities will be even capable of seizing any funds within these DEX sites. But here the problem for them is that DEX sites don't usually store any coins. The coins are stored in the user wallets, even during trading.

The other possibilities that you had listed, such as closing down the ETH mining farms and blacklisting all the altcoins, are just not practical. They are difficult to implement on the ground and they may be ineffective.
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August 14, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
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If I am not wrong, the domains can be easily seized. And after what happened with BTC-e/Wex.nz, I believe that in many cases the authorities will be even capable of seizing any funds within these DEX sites.

True, but it won't stop DEX source code development or DEX itself, they always could .onion domain (for DEX) or IPFS (for DEX source code).

But then the big question arises. Is it possible for a DEX site to move from normal browser to the TOR browser? I am not sure whether the Java Scripts and all would run without any issues in TOR. There may be a lag as well, as TOR is slower than the ordinary browsers due to the requirement of relaying information to multiple nodes.

Another issue is with the security. Knowing how vulnerable ERC-20 platform can be to hacking, I am a bit skeptical about linking the wallet to any DEX sites that operates in TOR. I am not an expert in TOR, so my fear may be illogical. BTW are there any DEX sites which are active now and running on TOR? I haven't heard of any and would like to try.
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August 14, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
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this defeats the sole purpose of decentralized exchanges - keep your personal data away from the agencies
it literally takes away the advantage decentralized exchanges had over centralized exchanges ,now what
all of the decentralized exchanges become compliant  and turn  into centralized exchanges?
this was expected but happened too soon , now they have only two options to comply or go rogue /hide in offshores

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August 14, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
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Newer Tor Browser enable JavaScript by default. Lag is a trade-off for better privacy and people who use Tor know this fact.

https://bisq.network/

I have never tried bisq, but one of my friends told me that it is not that hard to use. I expect the government policy towards the cryptocurrencies to become more hostile as time progresses. So we need to get used to these exchanges based on TOR, if we plan to use crypto in the future. Let's prove that we're one step ahead of the authorities.  Grin
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August 18, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
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Why everyone ignoring that the actual url to the site is missing and there are a lot of fake ones.
This forum is ruled and plagued by scam, what a shame.
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August 18, 2019, 08:28:36 PM
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Newer Tor Browser enable JavaScript by default. Lag is a trade-off for better privacy and people who use Tor know this fact.

https://bisq.network/

I have never tried bisq, but one of my friends told me that it is not that hard to use. I expect the government policy towards the cryptocurrencies to become more hostile as time progresses. So we need to get used to these exchanges based on TOR, if we plan to use crypto in the future. Let's prove that we're one step ahead of the authorities.  Grin


Why everyone ignoring that the actual url to the site is missing and there are a lot of fake ones.
This forum is ruled and plagued by scam, what a shame.
It should be but people do still love to make use of CEX even there are lots of Dex out there the only thing I do see or reason why people do still make use of it
because of Crypto/Fiat pair.

Why everyone ignoring that the actual url to the site is missing and there are a lot of fake ones.
This forum is ruled and plagued by scam, what a shame.

Then give me a place or forum or marketplace that doesn't have signs of scam? As long theres money involved these scammers would be always present.So nothing new here!

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August 19, 2019, 02:28:22 AM
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@timerland. Agreed! Also, one country's strict ban might be another country's opportunity to use it versus the country that banned it. It might also increase demand in that country hehehe.
Definitely a good point. Banning something that's in high demand has never been a good idea. Usually doing such a thing to a popular item will just cause underground markets to be started and since they are underground, the government won't be able to control them and it just ends up being worse for them.

I am curious to know about what will happen to those decentralized exchanges which refuse to do KYC. Will they be seized, just like the feds seized BTC-e/Wex.nz?

How would they seize something which is decentralized (and distributed as well)?

Would they hunt all ETH miners, pools and node owners to stop DEX which use ETH smart contract?
Would they hunt the developer of the DEX, which won't stop DEX from running fine without them?

At most they would black list known coins which pass through DEX and block all website about DEX.

If I am not wrong, the domains can be easily seized. And after what happened with BTC-e/Wex.nz, I believe that in many cases the authorities will be even capable of seizing any funds within these DEX sites. But here the problem for them is that DEX sites don't usually store any coins. The coins are stored in the user wallets, even during trading.

The other possibilities that you had listed, such as closing down the ETH mining farms and blacklisting all the altcoins, are just not practical. They are difficult to implement on the ground and they may be ineffective.
It'll be impossible for user funds to be seized, good DEX's will make sure they will not be able to access the user's private keys and make sure their platform is just a platform for the users to trade on.

Domains getting seized is very interested though, I'm interested if they'd actually do that. Does that mean DEX's will have to move to other domains or use .onion domains to prevent them from being taken down as easily?

this defeats the sole purpose of decentralized exchanges - keep your personal data away from the agencies
it literally takes away the advantage decentralized exchanges had over centralized exchanges ,now what
all of the decentralized exchanges become compliant  and turn  into centralized exchanges?
this was expected but happened too soon , now they have only two options to comply or go rogue /hide in offshores
It does, but it's not all the exchange's fault. Companies are often forced to legalize their companies by the government, and it's looking grim for decentralization.

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