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August 14, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
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An interesting point of view. How about this though, the below statement:

From the scam accusation they have burned some people. I would go with yeah, they did.

..means you have just broken their TOS & given them the right to seize your funds, like they have done previously:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.msg51714699#msg51714699

Saying bad things about Livecoin is not allowed cos their TOS says so. Would you still have the same point of view if they seized your funds for saying that I wonder?

I doubt it.
Actually I have less problem with that then say Polo saying "we will give you plenty of time to complete your KYC" and then forcing it w/o telling anyone.
Or all the exchanges who have socialized losses.

If their rules say "you don't talk shit about us" then those are the rules.
Now, I did not READ the rules like most people. But that's on me, not them.

However, what you brought up does not cover what I was saying about DTs giving red trust for using having their signature.

That's what I was posting about. There should be some sort of constancy. There have been dozens of scam accusations against FortuneJack do you think everyone wearing their signature should get red trust too?

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August 14, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
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There have been dozens of scam accusations against FortuneJack do you think everyone wearing their signature should get red trust too?

I think it is & should be up to each individual who they trust/distrust/tag tbh, weather they are on DT or not. Personally, if I am convinced that an account/organisation is scamming I will tag them appropriately & always have done, I get a lot of flack about it at the time which is fine by me, but in 99% of cases I have eventually been proven right over time, the other 1% just fade away into oblivion.
As for FortuneJack, I don't gamble & am of the opinion that all gambling sites are a scam anyway......lol

Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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August 14, 2019, 11:55:48 PM
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If there is a open scam accusation against a company and if the previous campaign was closed for the reason, then participants shouldn't just throw their hat into the campaign even how higher they pay.
I'm not sure how many campaigns are even left these days, but for a while it seemed like they were in danger of dying off--so it doesn't surprise me that people would be applying for the Livecoin campaign regardless of how shady they've acted in the past.  There are tons of members on the forum who are desperate to get into any signature campaign they can, and they're willing to take a chance that they'll get scammed.  It's happened before.

However, what you brought up does not cover what I was saying about DTs giving red trust for using having their signature.
I'm not a big fan of negging campaign participants unless what they're promoting has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a scam and they continue in the campaign.  Having said that, I'm not sure if I ever knew what the story was with Livecoin--I'll have to do some reading about it.  It does ring a bell, but I've been preoccupied with a lot of RL stuff for the past 2 months and I'm sure I've forgotten about their misdeeds.  If they truly have scammed and there's solid evidence for it, and there's a good chance people are going to get scammed as a result of campaign participants advertising for them, then those participants probably should be given a chance to drop out before any DT members give them negative trust.

*Edit*, just read these posts which kind of support my assertion that some bounty hunters don't care about the risk of getting scammed.  They think of it as akin to playing the lottery:

of course I will continue this work personally, even though many prizes end up with fraud or poor market conditions don't make me stop being a prize hunter ... now is the time to hunt for tokens from the prize project, I'm sure there will be times when the market can recover again.
I have been doing a lot of bounties yet I have not received a jackpot reward but that will not make me stop doing bounties. If we stop we will surely get nothing but if we continue there is a chance that we can get something.

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August 15, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
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So from some other greedy manager is managing this campaign.

Any idea who is organizing it? I got a threatening PM from some dodgy account promoting livecoin & would like to contact the campaign manager about it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814120650/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175126.msg52158467

Anyone? Or maybe they're not using a bounty manager?

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August 16, 2019, 06:09:58 AM
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I'm not sure how many campaigns are even left these days, but for a while it seemed like they were in danger of dying off--so it doesn't surprise me that people would be applying for the Livecoin campaign regardless of how shady they've acted in the past.  There are tons of members on the forum who are desperate to get into any signature campaign they can, and they're willing to take a chance that they'll get scammed.  It's happened before.
That's quite true. The number of active campaigns which pays in BTC and accepts new members are limited to just 1 or 2. Along with that, people are very much interested in earning free money even how low the campaigns pay or how shady they are. That's happening with majority of them in this forum provided they don't care how their signatures affect the people who view them as a advertising slot. There are only a handful of people who still use this forum as a place to discuss cryptocurrency and gain their knowledge, apart from that the major forum population talk shit and are here only to earn few dollars.

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August 17, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
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You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

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August 17, 2019, 01:06:43 PM
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You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

Says the account promoting the biggest scam in crypto - Yobit.

Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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August 17, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
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You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

Says the account promoting the biggest scam in crypto - Yobit.

How is it a scam?

Send 100 in btc to yobit and 100 dollars to fortunejack.  Trade on yobit and gamble on fortunejack, what one has a better chance of increasing your money?

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August 17, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
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You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

Says the account promoting the biggest scam in crypto - Yobit.

How is it a scam?


Do a little research:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168200.msg52172128#msg52172128

Or simply search for Yobit in the scam section.

Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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August 19, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Last edit: August 21, 2019, 07:35:11 AM by wwzsocki
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Any idea who is organizing it? I got a threatening PM from some dodgy account promoting livecoin & would like to contact the campaign manager about it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814120650/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175126.msg52158467
Anyone? Or maybe they're not using a bounty manager?

This is the best example, how some members use misrepresented facts to their advantage.

Like Izormood used the 51% attack on Mona coin to drop scam accusation and flag on Livecoin exchange. Iconfirm (Blurryeyed) is now taking advantage that I am wearing Livecoin signature to attack me on the forum, threaten me and tries to break my threads or at least discourage others from commenting with his posts, which were removed by moderators as an off-topic.

I never knew Iconfirm (Blurryeyed) and had no interaction with these accounts on the forum but suddenly he shows up in my new thread Will 2019 be a record year for crypto scams? and started to attack me about the Livecoin signature I am wearing. When I saw these comments I have sent a PM to Iconfirm and explained myself, why I participate in this campaign. Additionally, I asked him to refrain from accusations in my (not related) threads because there are already special once about Livecoin campaign, like this one for example. I thought it would be the best way to communicate and explain everything.

I don't have these PM's anymore but I have written that first, he should do something with his own reputation before he starts to point fingers on me and to do some research because I participated in the first edition of Livecoin campaign and was in opposition to the first flag created by Izormood. Commented a few times in the accusation thread to defend Livecoin exchange and show my point of few to these accusations but not only. I keep using Livecoin exchange from the beginning and never had a single problem. The flag created by Izormood was removed and a new edition of Livecoin campaign started. Member Izormood got his account back and Livecoin team told us that they will think about the TOS rules change. So all the reasons for the flag dropped in my opinion. Additionally, this scam accusation should be taken as a support issue because only one very complicated case is not enough to call such a big exchange with thousands of happy customers a scam (in my opinion of course).

I am the only one who was wearing the Livecoin signature without incentive for almost 3 weeks (check spreadsheet), despite red paint threats and blacklists from known campaign managers.
I was enrolled from the first week but removed myself to not get paid because I have heard accusations that everybody is doing this only for the money and wanted to show that this is not the case and there always will be members (like me), which will do it only to show support or a different point of view. That was all I have written in my first PM to Iconfirm more or less.

To my surprise, just after this PM, I got red paint from Blurryeyed. That was a little suspicious to me and just after the first look on the reputation page of Blurryeyed, I found that they are alts and there are multiple scam accusations against them. At some point, there were 30 alt accounts created by this member and used on the forum. Today nothing changed and he keeps doing this (to his advantage), giving red paint to other members or lying in trust annotations or different threads from his alt accounts, like in my case actually.

When I found this, I wrote a second PM, this time to Blurryeyed. Told him what I have found and asked to stop because if not then I will start digging in his accounts too and paint them red for using alts to red paint others and lie in the trust annotations. Just after I have sent this second PM, another red paint hit my account, this time from Iconfirm account. Additionally, he lied in the annotation that I have alt accounts and am meriting myself (which is total bullshit). As a reference in trust annotations, he used a link to an old accusation thread against me, where I was accused but never proved beyond any doubt and got a neutral rating from Marlboroza back then.



I have edited my post and added this screen to show these red paints but I see that the annotation from Iconfirm was changed from "alt account farmer and merit abuser" to only "merit abuser" which of course is not true. This is also done for a purpose to not be accused of lying in trust annotations, like in the first original one. Both annotations were published on the same day (one after another) and now is four days difference between them.

Now he accuses me here in this thread to be threatening him in my PM's.

This is just too much and shows exactly how one can show facts in a different light to use them against somebody additionally using alt accounts and pure lies.

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August 20, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
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**snip**

Ahhh....diddums.

You're not the first scam promoter I've tagged to write a long cry-baby post about being tagged & I'm sure you won't be the last. You're also not the first scam promoter to copy/paste someone else's butt-hurt feedback in my profile either, funny how all scam promoters do that eh? Comes with the territory I guess, I can live with it if it stops others getting scammed. I really can't be bothered to address all your inaccuracies, so I'll just leave this here:

Shitcoin anyone?


https://www.livecoin.net/en/trading/LibraF_BTC

"Project" has nothing to do with facebook, they are misleading people with name. It is beyond my understanding why would they list such coin. Reminds me of one exchange, Y something.

Yup, they seem to be going down the exact same route as Yoshit, just as I thought they would - it was just a matter of time. All those legendary members prostituting their profiles to promote this scam should be ashamed of themselves & be distrusted/tagged appropriately.

Livecoin flag: (zero opposition)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=489

Livecoin Manager Flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=475

At this time, a total of 42 forum members have supported these flags including myself. According to your logic, I must also be these 42 forum members too I suppose.

It's really quite simple, stop promoting scams & you won't get tagged by anyone.

Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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August 21, 2019, 04:37:52 AM
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You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

Says the account promoting the biggest scam in crypto - Yobit.

How is it a scam?

Send 100 in btc to yobit and 100 dollars to fortunejack.  Trade on yobit and gamble on fortunejack, what one has a better chance of increasing your money?
I did not really know why people refer to yobit as a scam site and comparing yobit and fortunejack which is completely a gambling sites means yobit is completely manipulating people's trade and enriching themselves.
Livecoin has a higher reputation before and I am disappointed that it failed in a signature campaign! I have move funds and coins to livecoin and also move out funds without much limitations and excuse.
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Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? Cheesy

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September 12, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
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Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? Cheesy
Scam isn't moderated by forum so forum will not ban any signature campaign for scam accusation. If forum like to take action against scam signature campaign then most likely 90% ICO's signature will be ban from forum. Admin will take action against signature campaign if there is unrealistic spam. So spam and scam both is different issue. I don't think forum will act about scam signature in near future.

There so many signature campaign those have multiple scam accusation, but Livecoin lost a reputable signature campaign manager. That's the issue, they run their campaign themselves instead of convince manager by resolve the issue. And I think that's the reason why most of reputate user avoid to join their campaign.

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Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? Cheesy
Cheesy It looks complete to me.

~snipped~
It looks like you completely missed roycilik's joke. He was obviously talking about the image where the "LIVECOIN" does not show on his screen.


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September 12, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
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Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? Cheesy

I can see it here, a couple of post above yours, there's a Livecoin signature, I just checked and found everything normal. It may be a browser issue. Which browser are you using now?

Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? Cheesy
Cheesy It looks complete to me.
Are you too facing the same? I'm on phone now and it seems okay.

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