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October 07, 2019, 01:59:30 AM
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If he had information worth killing him over, he would never have been traded. Even assuming he did, how does it make sense to let him wander around the UK for years before killing him, giving him plenty of time to spill the beans? Why not kill him in Russia? Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
After the spy swap he was known to meet with intelligence officials in other countries.  He may not have known any big secrets that could damage Russia, but a former Russian spy willing to share all he knows would be valuable to any country.  

Do you really believe spies don't  know governments are willing to kill them? That premise is retarded and more based on TV and movies than reality.
No, I'm sure they know that.  Both in real life and the movies.



Your reasoning doesn't follow any logic. Either he has information that is dangerous to Russia and is worth killing, or not. If they know their lives are at stake, "sending a message" is not a valid or logical motive.

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.


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October 07, 2019, 02:53:52 AM
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded
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October 07, 2019, 02:58:59 AM
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do. Also, no it doesn't. More expansive and selective interpretation to fit the confirmation bias of TwitchySeal.


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October 07, 2019, 03:03:26 AM
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Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?




Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do.

That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

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The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.


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That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

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The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.

That was a slick little juxtaposition you did there. I don't see the statement "the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016." anywhere in that quote, or the article in general. I do however see that it says "Christopher Steele is known to be an extremely left-wing mind, and he quite aggressively tried to help his transatlantic ideological soulmate, Hillary Clinton, to win the presidential election. "

No, not the premise of the entire blog, just the parts you want to cherry pick and distort to fit your bias. The fact is, even if true, the UK had just as much if not more incentive to attack Skripal. None of this explains why it was done in such a blatantly obvious and visibly "Russian" way. There are plenty of ways to kill people that attract much less attention if your goal is to cover up their connection.


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October 07, 2019, 04:01:45 AM
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These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.
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These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.


Well you dispute them, I am very proud of you. And?

My point is that these current events relating to Ukraine and the never ending attempt to reverse the results of the 2016 election tie all the way back to these attempts to cover up the illicit source of the Steel dossier, as well as the illegal FISA warrant that was based on it. This demonstrates a pattern of attempts to cover up this coup attempt by all involved parties including the UK, Russia, as well as elements within the US government itself. I am sure Russia attempted to manipulate the election process as well, the problem is more that there are factions within our government also doing so, and they have far more motive and ability to coverall of this up with endless frivolous investigation, media hype, and attempts at impeachment. This has all been crafted to cover their own asses.


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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.
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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.




"Ukraine 'Anti-Corruption' Director Bragged About Helping Hillary Clinton In 2016: Leaked Audio"

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446


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October 08, 2019, 11:04:19 AM
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So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.






Trump: I don't think Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack.
TECSHARE: Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded!

Conspiracy Blog: Russia killed Skripal to cover up the truth behind the Steele dossier
TECSHARE: More proof! Libtards!, Witch Hunt!, Lock her up!

Twitchyseal: Both those things can't be true.
TECSHARE: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You should try to be more objective.  Treating politics the way die hard fans treat their favorite football team just makes all your arguments in bad faith.
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October 08, 2019, 02:28:05 PM
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Trump: I don't think Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack.
TECSHARE: Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded!

Conspiracy Blog: Russia killed Skripal to cover up the truth behind the Steele dossier
TECSHARE: More proof! Libtards!, Witch Hunt!, Lock her up!

Twitchyseal: Both those things can't be true.
TECSHARE: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You should try to be more objective.  Treating politics the way die hard fans treat their favorite football team just makes all your arguments in bad faith.

Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

I don't have a favorite team. Politics is a game of shit hustlers all around. I started as a hard left dem and as they transformed realized I could no longer in good conscious support them as I learned what games they play. I  have voted from everyone from John Kerry, to Ron Paul, to Trump. At least conservatives put their flaws on the table so you can account for them. The left just happen to be the most insane, dangerous, and establishment at the moment and need to be resisted.

I linked the blog because it covered the facts about the Skripal-Steele connection. I don't have to endorse every word, especially the part you are cherry picking where he speculates over factual information that the Russia collusion delusion illegal FISA warrant is directly linked to this assassination attempt. Also they played this exact same game with Alexander Litvinenko, poisoning him with an element that pretty much exclusively comes out of Russia. If you are trying to kill people to cover things up you don't leave your calling card before you leave. All you have are superficial criticisms and character attacks, which is... pathetic.


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October 08, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
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Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

That's literally what started our discussion of Skripal for the past 2 pages.  

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Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning
Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.
Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded, for several reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/05/trump-told-theresa-may-he-doubted-russia-was-behind-skripal-poisoning
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October 08, 2019, 04:51:49 PM
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Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

That's literally what started our discussion of Skripal for the past 2 pages.  

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Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning
Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.
Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded, for several reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/05/trump-told-theresa-may-he-doubted-russia-was-behind-skripal-poisoning

Right, I forgot I am supposed to take unsourced interpretative comments from randoms on the internet at face value. Silly me for questioning it.


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I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

This was the plan from the start. There is a reason Trump mentioned Crowdstrike in that call, it was a trap for thirsty dems looking for anything to latch on to, baiting them into exposing Biden.




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