The Russian locale needs a global moderator

[madnessteat]

Dear theymos, is there an opportunity to raise one of the moderators of the Russian locale to a global moderator (in my opinion, it does not matter who) due to the fact that the solution of some issues takes a lot of time or the issue is not solved as in the case of the infinite appearance of new kornrers accounts, which denigrates the reputation of many worthy users, including moderators.

I think that to solve some questions requires knowledge of the Russian language and understanding of our mentality.

Please consider this possibility. I apologize to native speakers for my English.

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[bob123]

What would be the benefit of a global moderator for the russian section ?

korner was abusing the trust/flag system and didn't only tag user of the russian community.
Neither did he do any harm to anyones reputation. This account was used for worthless spam, no one cares about his flags/ratings.


Which problems could a global moderator solve, which can't be solved by a local moderator regarding the russian language and mentality ?

Global moderator have moderation rights on the whole forum. The russian language and mentality doesn't play any role on the english section of the forum.
Neither does it play a role when violating forum rules which lead to bans.



So, which 'questions' are you referring to who need a global moderator to be solved, with the following statement ?

I think that to solve some questions requires knowledge of the Russian language and understanding of our mentality.

[khaled0111]

Moderating local boards is the task of local moderators.

There is nothing (in this case) a global mod can do that a local mod can't (except the ability to ban non newbies).

[KTChampions]

I don't think that giving such a huge power to the RU local is a good idea. Other locals exist without this, and I do not understand why one local should be done better than others. The problem of spam exists everywhere and it is solved simply - by reporting and ignoring.

I understand that important issues (ban/unban) are solved slowly, but these are really important issues, so I’m ready to wait.

P.S. If someone from the global moderators will look at this topic, then I ask them to check these users for the ban avoiding.

[kzv]

Moderating local boards is the task of local moderators.

There is nothing (in this case) a global mod can do that a local mod can't (except the ability to ban non newbies).

Local moderators do not have enough confidence to ban those who evade the ban (like korner and his clons)
Is it possible to allow local moderators to see the IP addresses of users?

[madnessteat]

Let's look at the situation by the example of korner. For a long time he could not be banned for violation of the rules (ban evasion, trolling). While he was fooling around on the forum, so much time had passed that our moderators had to submit a request to global moderators. I think our moderators can confirm that korner's ban did take long. The most interesting thing is that he did not leave the forum and continues to fool around creating new alternative accounts.

This issue could be resolved more quickly if we had a Russian-speaking global moderator. Any actions of a global moderator can be checked if someone is afraid of abuse by the moderator. The Russian locale is very large and needs at least one global moderator.

[suchmoon]

Is it possible to allow local moderators to see the IP addresses of users?

Even global moderators don't see IPs.

korner did eventually get banned. There's plenty of longtime trolls and ban evaders on the English boards so it's not really a problem with the Russian board but rather a generally lax attitude towards that kind of behavior. Use and advise others to use the "Ignore" feature.

[Steamtyme]

I think that to solve some questions requires knowledge of the Russian language and understanding of our mentality.

Speaking to this apart from Banning for Plagiarism it's a pretty high bar that needs to be set to receive a significant Ban. If it's trolling it has to be extreme. So the problem likely isn't anything to do with a lack of power local moderators wield. It likely comes down to the high bar set to receive the punishment your board feels some deserve. Also note that local customs and opinions do not deserve special consideration in a global forum about what is acceptable/unacceptable.

Thought I would carry over my post from the last call for a Russian specific Global Moderator as most was relevant.

As you well know, in our Russian-language section there are two respected and very adequate moderators but there is no administrators (who understand Russian). Therefore, all administrative issues such as "ban" and "unban", Russian-speaking users are forced to solve through English-speaking administrators.

I am assuming they speak english well enough to converse with and make an accurate case for anyone with the ability to Ban individuals. That's really all that is necessary until theymos either sees the need to add a global moderator or another Admin who is fluent in certain local boards. That may be a shallow pool of users and is not likely power he would chose to dole out to anyone just because they are the best of what's available at the moment.

This state of affairs leads to the fact that our Russian section regularly undergoes attacks from spammers and trolls, whose blocking issue is resolved for months.~snip~ korner ~snip~ celestials.
On the other hand, the user markiz73 ~snip~

This is no different than the rest of the forum. It's only recently that I've noticed appeals for users who are being banned for spamming. this is only happeneing because there are people actively tagging posts - some actively checking users post history and reporting from there when someone has a pattern of shitposting. Same goes for the plagiarism it's not easy for people to get a second chance; that's just life. The speed of getting caught also comes down to reporting their is a bot scraping most of the posts on the forum from what I can tell, and once again making reports. Report to moderator is all anyone can do, and local mods just have to escalate the case if they feel it warrants action - which doesn't guarantee admins will agree.

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Local moderators (xandry, Xal0lex) is very adequate but they have no right to ban/unban users. This is main problem when we deal with trolls and spammers or vice versa: when an useful user is auto-banned.

That's the same for all moderators apart from global mods from what I understand.

[FontSeli]

Dear theymos, is there an opportunity to raise one of the moderators of the Russian locale to a global moderator (in my opinion, it does not matter who) due to the fact that the solution of some issues takes a lot of time or the issue is not solved as in the case of the infinite appearance of new kornrers accounts, which denigrates the reputation of many worthy users, including moderators.

I think that to solve some questions requires knowledge of the Russian language and understanding of our mentality.

Please consider this possibility. I apologize to native speakers for my English.

I support your request.

What would be the benefit of a global moderator for the russian section ?

korner was abusing the trust/flag system and didn't only tag user of the russian community.
Neither did he do any harm to anyones reputation. This account was used for worthless spam, no one cares about his flags/ratings.

Korner was banned only after he began to put flags to users outside the Russian locale. Prior to that, he had broken the rules for several months in a rude manner in the Russian locale, moderators filed requests for his ban, but he was never banned. Now he creates new accounts and continues to break the rules in the Russian section.

Which problems could a global moderator solve, which can't be solved by a local moderator regarding the russian language and mentality ?

Global moderator have moderation rights on the whole forum. The russian language and mentality doesn't play any role on the english section of the forum.
Neither does it play a role when violating forum rules which lead to bans.

In the Russian section, there are enough violators of the rules who deserve at least a temporary ban, but all the moderators can do is only to delete messages that violate the rules. It would be good if at least one of them could ban violators in the Russian section.

So, which 'questions' are you referring to who need a global moderator to be solved, with the following statement ?

I think that to solve some questions requires knowledge of the Russian language and understanding of our mentality.

In each language there are stable expressions, proverbs, quotes that, when translated into another language, lose their meaning. There are also literary works, phrases that offend dignity, jokes, and so on, which only native speakers of the language can understand. All this influences the fact that one would admit that a message violates the rules or not.

[madnessteat]

~ korner  did eventually get banned. There's plenty of longtime trolls and ban evaders on the English boards so it's not really a problem with the Russian board but rather a generally lax attitude towards that kind of behavior. Use and advise others to use the "Ignore" feature.

Honestly, I don't see the point in the ignore function. This doesn't solve the problem, it just hides it from view. It is clear that the person who reads the forum for more than a year already knows the local trolls well and just does not pay attention to them.
I know that you read the topic "Reputation in the Russian locale" and saw the messages that do not bear a semantic load, are full of lies and mislead newcomers. That's why I'm asking theymos to give the Russian locale a tool to influence such users.

UPD: The main goal is to reduce the chain: the Russian moderator - the request for a ban - the English-speaking global moderator - the solution.

The Russian locale needs the possibility of a quick ban of users who violate the rules of the forum. Global moderators will always be able to ask why this or that user was banned. We don't need any other permissions.

Such a solution will free up time not only for global moderators but also for our moderators.

[suchmoon]

Honestly, I don't see the point in the ignore function. This doesn't solve the problem, it just hides it from view. It is clear that the person who reads the forum for more than a year already knows the local trolls well and just does not pay attention to them.
I know that you read the topic "Reputation in the Russian locale" and saw the messages that do not bear a semantic load, are full of lies and mislead newcomers. That's why I'm asking theymos to give the Russian locale a tool to influence such users.

Lying is not against the rules. Posts that break rules can be removed by local mods. It takes an enormous amount of shitposting to get banned on the English boards (unless one does something egregious like plagiarism or malware) and many trolls/spammers never get banned, so again - I don't think there is a specific problem on the Russian board. At least not based on the examples provided in this thread.