Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[bryant.coleman]

I would like to say that this series is completely controlled by the Indian bowlers. It was expected of them that they would bowl well. But the fact that they batted brilliantly, and assisted the team by collecting runs at the required time, was basically the turning point of the match. England did not expect the Indian bowlers are can batted so well.

If players like Bumrah and Shami are able to build 100 run partnership, then it shows the England bowlers in poor light. If I am not wrong, JSRAW already made a post on what happened back then. England bowlers wanted revenge for the barrage of bouncers Bumrah delivered on Anderson, and they were not trying to take his wicket. And when they realized their mistake, it was too late. Just shows what went wrong for England - tactics, captaincy, temperament, discipline.etc. Even if Archer was available, I think he would have made zero impact.

[JSRAW]

India have forfeited the final Test due to covid!!

2-2 series draw %uccckkkkk

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Edit
Not forfeited, guess there is some confusion because ECB published some wrong statement.

Match Cancelled so result should be 2-1 to India


https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1436239124831244294

The fifth Test between England and India, scheduled to begin on Friday (September 10), has been cancelled.

"Due to fears of a further increase in the number of COVID cases inside the camp, India are unable to field a team," said an amended statement from ECB. A previous version of the statement had indicated that India would 'forfeit the match' which has since been removed.

Cricbuzz understands that the Indian players wrote a letter to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) expressing apprehension over playing the Test at Old Trafford.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2247831

[ene1980]

I wanted to see the match, one of the best Test series i have seen in a long time as all the matches were competitive and it is unfortunate that the players and the staff members are getting positive left and right. Not sure how they are getting when they are living in a bubble or are they breaching the bubble to get infected ?.

The official statement was, India could not field a team for the final Test. They have a long list of players and yesterday the news was everyone tested negative and now what happened.

[Haunebu]

2-2? Lol. ECB got lucky with the World Cup final and are now trying to save their faces through India forfeiting making it 2-2 which is absolute crap. Final result is 2-1 in my opinion. Honestly, 3-1 seems more likely when compared to 2-2.

Also, I do agree with the decision to call off the test since lack of physios dealt a big blow to the Indian team which could have seriously screwed them if they decided to go ahead with the final test.

[JohnBitCo]

2-2? Lol. ECB got lucky with the World Cup final and are now trying to save their faces through India forfeiting making it 2-2 which is absolute crap. Final result is 2-1 in my opinion. Honestly, 3-1 seems more likely when compared to 2-2.

Also, I do agree with the decision to call off the test since lack of physios dealt a big blow to the Indian team which could have seriously screwed them if they decided to go ahead with the final test.

So what's the final result, is it 2-2 or 3-1 ?  It's quite confusing till now as no one knows about it exactly. Even when i check cricinfo commentary on this match, they are not sure even.

The initial wording of the statement from the ECB, as per their website, stated that India would be "forfeiting" the match, meaning the series would finish 2-2. That word is missing now, so we await clarification of what this means for the series.

[Minor Miner]

I would like to say that this series is completely controlled by the Indian bowlers. It was expected of them that they would bowl well. But the fact that they batted brilliantly, and assisted the team by collecting runs at the required time, was basically the turning point of the match. England did not expect the Indian bowlers are can batted so well.

If players like Bumrah and Shami are able to build 100 run partnership, then it shows the England bowlers in poor light. If I am not wrong, JSRAW already made a post on what happened back then. England bowlers wanted revenge for the barrage of bouncers Bumrah delivered on Anderson, and they were not trying to take his wicket. And when they realized their mistake, it was too late. Just shows what went wrong for England - tactics, captaincy, temperament, discipline.etc. Even if Archer was available, I think he would have made zero impact.

England's captain had many mistakes. They can't use the right bowler at the right time. And so players like Bumrah and Shami were able to score so many runs. Moreover, the England team is more dependent on Joe Root. Their batsmen may not be in form. The performance of all the batsmen was irregular.

[eaLiTy]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

[teosanru]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place, so accept it or not but the whole series which gave us so many good matches has been wiped off due to the Pandemic, while BCCI claims that Covid is the reason for the postponement, ECB say that BCCI is giving IPL more importance that the bilateral commitments that it has made with ECB, if this remains the scene I won't be surprised if ECB stops its players from going to IPL this time.

[ene1980]

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ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place, so accept it or not but the whole series which gave us so many good matches has been wiped off due to the Pandemic, while BCCI claims that Covid is the reason for the postponement, ECB say that BCCI is giving IPL more importance that the bilateral commitments that it has made with ECB, if this remains the scene I won't be surprised if ECB stops its players from going to IPL this time.

So is there a power battle going on between BCCI and the ECB, if so it will be funny to see the end result and how ECB will fair in their decision making because they will loose big if they do not allow England players to play in the IPL. They are gaining strength by allowing their players to play anywhere in the world and if they start restricting players then it will not end up better for the game of cricket.

This is a pandemic situation and they need to negotiate and come up with something because it was a really interesting series and i really would like to see the final Test to see how both of these team performs.

[pakhitheboss]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place, so accept it or not but the whole series which gave us so many good matches has been wiped off due to the Pandemic, while BCCI claims that Covid is the reason for the postponement, ECB say that BCCI is giving IPL more importance that the bilateral commitments that it has made with ECB, if this remains the scene I won't be surprised if ECB stops its players from going to IPL this time.

 I enjoyed every bit of this tournament. I was expecting that the last match would happen because players had tested negative but ECB decided not to go with it and BCCI accepted their request. In the end, India won the series and the last match if happens does not matter now. IPL is important for BCCI as it is one event that generated a lot of revenue for the Indian board. ECB if they stop their players from earning money from IPL will suffer more. There is no way they can stop their players from playing in one of the most lucrative tournament in cricket history. The players might not agree to any negative decision made by ECB on IPL.

[Sithara007]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

If the match is going to be rescheduled, then what is ICC' role here? India is leading the series 2-1 and the 5th match will be played sometime later. The outcome of that match will decide whether the series is tied 2-2, or India wins by a margin of 2-1 or 3-1. The ECB wants India to forfeit the match, but the demand is not justifiable unless they can prove that someone in the Indian contingent breached the bio-bubble and got infected with COVID. I will not rule out that chance though. Everyone know what happened in Sri Lanka. Krunal Pandya breached the bio-bubble and infected half a dozen players. But the BCCI never had the courage to punish Krunal and he faced no disciplinary action. 

[JSRAW]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place, so accept it or not but the whole series which gave us so many good matches has been wiped off due to the Pandemic, while BCCI claims that Covid is the reason for the postponement, ECB say that BCCI is giving IPL more importance that the bilateral commitments that it has made with ECB, if this remains the scene I won't be surprised if ECB stops its players from going to IPL this time.

My reading

- India was there for 4 months.
- There was no bubble, all info is available in public domain.
- Before the series BCCI requested ECB to schedule series bit early, more importantly requested to reduce 9 days gap between 2nd and 3rd test so that they can get all players for IPL in timely manner.
- ECB declined due to The 100 tourney.
- Damadji got covid along with staff
- Second Physio also got positive, this triggered the drama cause players were in contact due to obvious reason.
- Players got concerned due to health, family and IPL which is obvious because of big pay check (no one admitting tho lol)
- ECB don't want to look bad in their country, which is understandable hence "forfeited" statement but BCCI got a bigger $ick so ECB retracted the statement with in minutes.
- ECB lost around $30 million because of cancellation, concern was genuine but BCCI might have counter this argument by saying that $300 million (IPL, 1 full season is worth $500-$600 m) is more important.
- BCCI is not CSA, SLC (every body know what happend in South Africa and Sri lanka) so no question of arm twisting.
- ECB and BCCI officials are in bed together anyway, that's why they are part of PIG 3 club so there would be zero effect in their business relationship at all.
- Some English players already pulled out last year due to injuries and mental health.


Edit
Good article
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/10/england-india-cricket-test-blame-game
 

[UmerIdrees]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place,

How come India won the series ?  The symptoms / infection of covid was in the Indian team and not in the England team. So this is unfair that you consider this match as a draw which makes India to win the series.

Also i fear that Covid will remain with us for quite a long time and ICC should make a clear cut rule as if what happens to the match /series if any team is found infected in the middle of the match or series.

[nhaila]

This is the first time in my 36 years of watching cricket a series is hanging on the ropes for the decision by the ICC   . Yesterday the Indian team was cleared to play the match but today someone got positive test results and so is the reason they decided to not play and since we are going through a pandemic the ICC will rule this as an abandoned match or they will reschedule the match at a later time which i think is appropriate.

ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place,

How come India won the series ?  The symptoms / infection of covid was in the Indian team and not in the England team. So this is unfair that you consider this match as a draw which makes India to win the series.

Also i fear that Covid will remain with us for quite a long time and ICC should make a clear cut rule as if what happens to the match /series if any team is found infected in the middle of the match or series.

How covid postponed the match between India and England last test match. I always support both team would keep safe from covid 19 . So my prediction already come into true...

[eaLiTy]

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How come India won the series ?  The symptoms / infection of covid was in the Indian team and not in the England team. So this is unfair that you consider this match as a draw which makes India to win the series.

It is a pandemic and you can get infected and you cannot blame a team for that. Yes Indian staff members are having the infection and so is the reason they are not able to field the team, seen Football matches getting cancelled due to covid and they play at a later time and this is the first time International Cricket match is stopped due to infection midway, we saw IPL and other franchise
stopping them due to the virus and the ICC will not give the other team a win because of situations that are way beyond our control.

Also i fear that Covid will remain with us for quite a long time and ICC should make a clear cut rule as if what happens to the match /series if any team is found infected in the middle of the match or series.

There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

[teosanru]

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ECB has clearly said that the new rescheduled match would be considered as a one-off test and not the part of this series, so ideally India has won this series as of now, but I don't think any sort of felicitation would take place, so accept it or not but the whole series which gave us so many good matches has been wiped off due to the Pandemic, while BCCI claims that Covid is the reason for the postponement, ECB say that BCCI is giving IPL more importance that the bilateral commitments that it has made with ECB, if this remains the scene I won't be surprised if ECB stops its players from going to IPL this time.

So is there a power battle going on between BCCI and the ECB, if so it will be funny to see the end result and how ECB will fair in their decision making because they will loose big if they do not allow England players to play in the IPL. They are gaining strength by allowing their players to play anywhere in the world and if they start restricting players then it will not end up better for the game of cricket.

This is a pandemic situation and they need to negotiate and come up with something because it was a really interesting series and i really would like to see the final Test to see how both of these team performs.

The latest update is that Ganguly would go on to meet the CEO of ECB on 22nd or 23rd in which they will clear off their differences and chances are that date will be decided for the last and remaining test but the main point of discussion will be the tremendous losses faced by ECB of 40 Million Pounds which ECB is seeking to recover from BCCI, obviously, BCCI isn't going to pay off this that easily and even if things go up to ICC BCCI has enough power to lobby ICC to at least reduce the number of losses to 50%. I think first after the Sri Lanka case and now with this case, BCCI will definitely keep a clause in their bilateral agreements regarding such series forfeitures or would at least buy Insurances for such instances.

[ene1980]

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

[pakhitheboss]

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

Lack of discipline is the reason most Indian players are getting infected. I am sure this time BCCI will in place strict rules and guidelines for players and staff who will be present for the IPL tournament. They should also put in place strict punishment not only for the players but the franchise too if they want the IPL to end smoothly this time.

[nhaila]

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

Lack of discipline is the reason most Indian players are getting infected. I am sure this time BCCI will in place strict rules and guidelines for players and staff who will be present for the IPL tournament. They should also put in place strict punishment not only for the players but the franchise too if they want the IPL to end smoothly this time.

Most members of the Indian cricket team are occasionally infected with coronavirus at regular intervals due to non-compliance with the rules of Kovid 19. He had earlier lost a few matches against Sri Lanka due to Kovid 19. So they should follow the rules and regulations.

[Sithara007]

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

This has happened on multiple occasions. Indian players (even the recent additions) behave like they are gods and the laws are not applicable for them. It is perfectly OK if the series is called off and the board suffers huge financial losses. But no one is held responsible. Now this has happened three times - first during the IPL, then during the tour of Sri Lanka and finally during the tour of England. The sponsors and TV channels have suffered huge losses. But in all three occasions, those who broke the bubble protocol were not even given a warning. And I am sure that it will repeat during the second leg of IPL as well.