Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[ene1980]

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Respect? Lol. Bairstow's performance was horrible in the test series while Malan played well and Woakes wasn't even a part of it. This is what matters more than their decision to ignore IPL(Personal reasons or Revenge).

Jonny Bairstow was not in his form during the Test series but he can change that in the shorter format as he is always a dangerous player and can clear the ropes easily. Playing Test and T20 are entirely different, may be he needs to work on his defense and even there he got starts but like many others in the team he could not capitalize on the starts he got.

Also, IPL won't be affected at all by their omissions since there are many great replacements available. For example, Bairstow might not be included in SRH's playing eleven due to his bad form in recent times.

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

[teosanru]

David Malan, Johny Bairstow and Chris Woakes have decided they won't be going for IPL 2021 2nd half to Dubai, they have cited reasons that they want to spend some time with family before world cup and Ashes but after all we all know that this is a consequence of India cancelling the 5th test against England, I thought ECB Would directly make a stern decision regarding this but they rather took the secret way by forcing their players to Don't go for IPL to avenge what Indian did. Now I personally think that IPL won't be much affected by this rather it would be English players who would lose a lot on money and I am not sure their board will reimburse them for this.

I am not sure how this is going to be some sort of revenge. The England players are going to be replaced by other overseas players, and the IPL will go ahead as planned. The players themselves are going to lose fat paychecks. And the ECB as well, since they are supposed to receive 10% royalty payment for each player from the IPL board. And in the long run also, the franchises may prefer players from other countries, if the ECB has a history of making their national players unavailable for such franchise leagues.

Obviously, in monetary terms, it might look bad for ECB, but their reputation is at stake this time, today Michael Vaughan made a tweet that really had a point he said:

IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..

Technically if you see India did cancel the last match for IPL no matter what reason does BCCI give, this is obviously a bit disgraceful as such things haven't really been part of Cricket, boards have always kept their commitments no matter what, also Covid Cases in UK haven't really gone that high if you compare it with the cases during the rest of the series, If the Bio-Bubble is breached even then it's obvious BCCI decided to leave the test to ensure players stay fit for IPL, and even if it wasn't then also the main intention of BCCI was to ensure these players get their quarantine to avoid any problems. Now if any board does such a thing to you, you obviously won't run behind a paycheck from them unless obviously, you are too poor on finances which ECB definitely isn't.

[eaLiTy]

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Obviously, in monetary terms, it might look bad for ECB, but their reputation is at stake this time, today Michael Vaughan made a tweet that really had a point he said:

IPL teams chartering planes .. 6 days quarantining required in the UAE .. 7 days till the tournament starts !!!! Don’t tell me the Test was cancelled for any other reason but the IPL ..

Technically if you see India did cancel the last match for IPL no matter what reason does BCCI give, this is obviously a bit disgraceful as such things haven't really been part of Cricket, boards have always kept their commitments no matter what, also Covid Cases in UK haven't really gone that high if you compare it with the cases during the rest of the series, If the Bio-Bubble is breached even then it's obvious BCCI decided to leave the test to ensure players stay fit for IPL, and even if it wasn't then also the main intention of BCCI was to ensure these players get their quarantine to avoid any problems. Now if any board does such a thing to you, you obviously won't run behind a paycheck from them unless obviously, you are too poor on finances which ECB definitely isn't.

That is the accusation some of the former England players are showering at this time because India won the series and they can console that they could have won the 5th Test and leveled the series. It is a fact that the schedules are tightly packed and the players are getting worn out due to their hectic schedule and they do not want to extend the series and then fly directly to UAE and start playing the IPL.

I do believe that if the IPL schedule is next month mid then they might have tried to conduct the match at a later time when everything is clear but in a tight schedule the players might not be willing to extend any further.

[ene1980]

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I do believe that if the IPL schedule is next month mid then they might have tried to conduct the match at a later time when everything is clear but in a tight schedule the players might not be willing to extend any further.

It makes sense, the players are there in England for months and now they are traveling for the IPL and the final is conducted on 15th October and the T20 World Cup will start on 17th October and it is yet another month full of cricket matches and the final will takes place on November 14th and it is really taxing for the players as they are playing one tournament after another without much rest and more over they need to be in the bubble for months.

No wonder some of the players are pulling out of the IPL because they are playing the IPL and the T20 World Cup back to back and i wont be surprised if some of the players that are playing now gets injured during the time World Cup starts.

[Sithara007]

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

That will be the case obviously, because the venues for the IPL and the T20 World Cup are the same. Those who take part in the IPL doesn't need to further get acclimatized to the bio-bubble and climate conditions for the World Cup. And this is why I believe that some of the players pulling out of the IPL is making a wrong choice. And for the argument that consecutive tournaments result in fatigue, I need to remember that these guys are professionals and there are professions where employees need to remain off-shore for 6 months or more. Cricket players are not anything special. They should behave like the other guys.

[virasog]

IPL might not be affected but the players will be missing out on experiencing the track well before the World Cup as i assume the IPL and World Cup matches will be played in the same grounds and the players who are in the IPL will be having a through knowledge of the pitch and the atmosphere .

That will be the case obviously, because the venues for the IPL and the T20 World Cup are the same. Those who take part in the IPL doesn't need to further get acclimatized to the bio-bubble and climate conditions for the World Cup. And this is why I believe that some of the players pulling out of the IPL is making a wrong choice. And for the argument that consecutive tournaments result in fatigue, I need to remember that these guys are professionals and there are professions where employees need to remain off-shore for 6 months or more. Cricket players are not anything special. They should behave like the other guys.

The selected XI players are not normal guys, they are the specials ones who are selected to represent their countries.  

Every profession have different criteria. Someday some one will say that a person on 9-5 job works whole year without break and these cricketers get tired after weeks of play    

Again the sports (cricket) require fitness and it is altogether different from other professions.

[sovie]

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There is no doubt that we will be living like this for the next 5 years or possibly more and what clear cut rule does they make during these circumstances.

We might be living in a bubble for the next 5 years but the only India is having the problem of players or the non player staff getting infected. The IPL was stopped due to players getting infected and now the Indian coaching staff got infected. I am not sure how they are getting infected when they are in the bubble, the ICC needs to investigate those as it is happening frequently.

Lack of discipline is the reason most Indian players are getting infected. I am sure this time BCCI will in place strict rules and guidelines for players and staff who will be present for the IPL tournament. They should also put in place strict punishment not only for the players but the franchise too if they want the IPL to end smoothly this time.

Well ever since this big three model came up, we are seeing extra ordinary influence of three teams i.e. India, Aus and England. Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract. Anyone against them lose too much money in the form of IPL denial. See example of Pakistan, despite no 1 team in T20 they were denied entry in IPL.

[ene1980]

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The selected XI players are not normal guys, they are the specials ones who are selected to represent their countries.  

Every profession have different criteria. Someday some one will say that a person on 9-5 job works whole year without break and these cricketers get tired after weeks of play    

You cannot find the best players in every team, there are lower ranked team that are not playing in front of a packed crowd and you cannot expect everyone to be super talented. There could be bits and peaces players who are in the team simply because they could not another talent.

Again the sports (cricket) require fitness and it is altogether different from other professions.

Only in recent times we started to see cricket players giving time on fitness, other sports like soccer you cannot play if you are not extremely fit or any other sport but for cricket you do not need to be extremely fit but now a days things are changing as more players are spending time in the gym.

[7788bitcoin]

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Well ever since this big three model came up, we are seeing extra ordinary influence of three teams i.e. India, Aus and England. Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract. Anyone against them lose too much money in the form of IPL denial. See example of Pakistan, despite no 1 team in T20 they were denied entry in IPL.

The schedule for the IPL is not set up on the fly. You need to blame the tight schedule for the cancellation of the final Test match, since they are playing during a pandemic and they did not even set an extra date and they filled the open dates with matches and the players are humans as they cannot play all the time and expect to perform at their best. Fatigue is a huge factor and i would still love to see the final Test rescheduled than watching the IPL to be frank.

[Sithara007]

Well ever since this big three model came up, we are seeing extra ordinary influence of three teams i.e. India, Aus and England. Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract. Anyone against them lose too much money in the form of IPL denial. See example of Pakistan, despite no 1 team in T20 they were denied entry in IPL.

Pakistani players were allowed in the initial editions of the IPL. That was discontinued due to political reasons. And it is a big blow, both for the players and for the PCB. Because no other franchise league pays the same level of salary that the IPL does. BBL is the worst, and the salaries there are only around 1/10th of that in the IPL. Other leagues are only slightly better. For example, Kieron Pollard is being paid $91,000 per year by Trinbago Knight Riders, compared to his salary of $757,000 with the Mumbai Indians.

[virasog]

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The selected XI players are not normal guys, they are the specials ones who are selected to represent their countries.  

Every profession have different criteria. Someday some one will say that a person on 9-5 job works whole year without break and these cricketers get tired after weeks of play    

You cannot find the best players in every team, there are lower ranked team that are not playing in front of a packed crowd and you cannot expect everyone to be super talented. There could be bits and peaces players who are in the team simply because they could not another talent.

Again the sports (cricket) require fitness and it is altogether different from other professions.

Only in recent times we started to see cricket players giving time on fitness, other sports like soccer you cannot play if you are not extremely fit or any other sport but for cricket you do not need to be extremely fit but now a days things are changing as more players are spending time in the gym.

Without fully fit you cannot expect to perform well in the modern day cricket. Also if you are not fit, the team management would not let you play and this give chance to another player. Since the competition is so high these days, a player can't afford to take rest and give chance to another player in the playing XI.

[bryant.coleman]

Without fully fit you cannot expect to perform well in the modern day cricket. Also if you are not fit, the team management would not let you play and this give chance to another player. Since the competition is so high these days, a player can't afford to take rest and give chance to another player in the playing XI.

What about Hardik Pandya? He was a part of the Indian T20 squad, despite not being 100% fit. I guess the selectors don't want to drop him because of his celebrity status. His recent form was also horrible. And it will be interesting to see whether Mumbai Indians will also do the same, for the second leg (UAE/Oman) of the IPL. And it's not like MI doesn't have a replacement for Hardik. He is useless with the ball anyway. For batting, they can replace him with James Neesham or Saurabh Tiwary.

[sovie]

Well ever since this big three model came up, we are seeing extra ordinary influence of three teams i.e. India, Aus and England. Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract. Anyone against them lose too much money in the form of IPL denial. See example of Pakistan, despite no 1 team in T20 they were denied entry in IPL.

Pakistani players were allowed in the initial editions of the IPL. That was discontinued due to political reasons. And it is a big blow, both for the players and for the PCB. Because no other franchise league pays the same level of salary that the IPL does. BBL is the worst, and the salaries there are only around 1/10th of that in the IPL. Other leagues are only slightly better. For example, Kieron Pollard is being paid $91,000 per year by Trinbago Knight Riders, compared to his salary of $757,000 with the Mumbai Indians.

You got it so right, there is no other league paying so much money like IPL. IPL has huge role in making cricket one of most viewed games.
The other side is that players are no longer interested in playing for national side rather prefer IPL. We saw David Miller, Kagiso Rabada, Anrich Nortje, Quinton de Kock and Lungi Ngidi earlier this years didnt participated in series against Pakistan leaving a depleted RSA side which faced huge loses.

[eaLiTy]

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What about Hardik Pandya? He was a part of the Indian T20 squad, despite not being 100% fit. I guess the selectors don't want to drop him because of his celebrity status. His recent form was also horrible. And it will be interesting to see whether Mumbai Indians will also do the same, for the second leg (UAE/Oman) of the IPL. And it's not like MI doesn't have a replacement for Hardik. He is useless with the ball anyway. For batting, they can replace him with James Neesham or Saurabh Tiwary.

There was a time when Hardik Pandya was included just for his batting as if there are no other players in the Indian squad but right now he has regained his fitness and he started to bowl and in the recently concluded Sri Lankan series he was bowling even though he did not contribute much to the team with the bat or ball. Will see whether MI will pick him in the team because he needs match time to regain form and if he gets going he can hit the ball a long way.

[Haunebu]

Observed that recent posts discussed IPL which is a T-20 tournament which is why this particular discussion needs to continue in the T-20 Discussion thread in my opinion.

Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract.

I disagree. Some fans like me didn't criticise the test cancellation since we agreed with India's decision who weren't willing to take risks due to their physios getting infected.

ECB wanted India to forfeit in order to save face, but the BCCI weren't dumb enough to succumb to their demands. Also, Pakistan players aren't part of the IPL in recent years due to tensions between India and Pakistan(Not just the BCCI).

[pakhitheboss]

Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract.

I disagree. Some fans like me didn't criticise the test cancellation since we agreed with India's decision who weren't willing to take risks due to their physios getting infected.

ECB wanted India to forfeit in order to save face, but the BCCI weren't dumb enough to succumb to their demands. Also, Pakistan players aren't part of the IPL in recent years due to tensions between India and Pakistan(Not just the BCCI).

Those fans who have criticised the Indian team and the board should understand that the Indian team support staff was quarantine. How can a team play a five-day game when they do not have support. It is just simple common sense which the media and so-called fans do not have it seems.

[sovie]

Observed that recent posts discussed IPL which is a T-20 tournament which is why this particular discussion needs to continue in the T-20 Discussion thread in my opinion.

Recent test cancellation is strongly criticised by fans and media in England as its clearly for IPL. And this clearly show how strong BCCI is. No one can confront BCCI as everyone wants IPL contract.

I disagree. Some fans like me didn't criticise the test cancellation since we agreed with India's decision who weren't willing to take risks due to their physios getting infected.

ECB wanted India to forfeit in order to save face, but the BCCI weren't dumb enough to succumb to their demands. Also, Pakistan players aren't part of the IPL in recent years due to tensions between India and Pakistan(Not just the BCCI).

But we saw IPL in full swing going on despite massive spread of covid in India until some players decided to leave to show support for the sufferings of the people (Zampa, Ashwin and few others).
Whether it's on choice of ECB or BCCI, such things are not good for the game in the long run.

[Sithara007]

Those fans who have criticised the Indian team and the board should understand that the Indian team support staff was quarantine. How can a team play a five-day game when they do not have support. It is just simple common sense which the media and so-called fans do not have it seems.

That is not the full story.

ECB wanted India to forfeit the 5th test, because they claimed that the breach in bio-bubble was caused due to the carelessness from the part of Indians. Some of the ECB officials claimed that contingent members were found partying outside their hotel, although they were supposed to stay inside the bubble for all the time. If the accusation is true, then I won't be surprised. Because the same happened on multiple times previously. Indian team members seems to have a problem in remaining inside their bio-bubble.

[Haunebu]

That is not the full story.

ECB wanted India to forfeit the 5th test, because they claimed that the breach in bio-bubble was caused due to the carelessness from the part of Indians. Some of the ECB officials claimed that contingent members were found partying outside their hotel, although they were supposed to stay inside the bubble for all the time. If the accusation is true, then I won't be surprised. Because the same happened on multiple times previously. Indian team members seems to have a problem in remaining inside their bio-bubble.

Who knows how much of this is true or not? This could just be a strategy employed by the ECB to prove that the Indian team are at fault in this case. The truth is that people get infected sometimes no matter how cautious they are.

So many people seemed to have forgetten how scary COVID truly is. The Indian team didn't want to risk losing the final test match because of their physio problems and the upcoming 2nd leg of IPL 2021 and I support their decision.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The BCCI president (Sourav Ganguly) has issued a statement. He has said that the replacement match for the 5th test should be considered as a continuation of the England vs India series. This contradicts the report made by an Indian news paper, which claimed that Ganguly wanted the replacement match as a one-off event. But implicaitons are greater than a series loss for the ECB. If the ICC rules that the action by BCCI amounted to "acceptable non-compliance", then the ECB won't be able to claim the insurance payment for the abandoned test.