[US] Mass shooting [mega-thread]; Days Since Last Mass Shooting [1]

[bluefirecorp_]

Oof, so many shootings, can someone help update all the counts?

[BADecker]

Things to do to reduce mass shootings.

Get rid of drugs that affect the mind. Most of the mass shootings seem to have medical drug abuse behind them.

Require all adults to open carry a pistol... .38 to .45... whenever they are in public. This will give them some leverage of protection against mass shooters. Remember, most people are peaceful and friendly.

Require adult training so that they know how to use the pistol they are carrying. In their training, they will see the affects of shooting damage, and they will get serious with themselves, and respectful of others.

Are you scared of this idea of everyone open carrying? Go home, and stay on your private residence where you won't be in public, and have no open carry requirement. We don't want you out in public. It's chickens like you that make it dangerous for everybody.

[bluefirecorp_]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

[coins4commies]

isn't  bad decker just a parody poster?  like complete over the top sarcasm?

[BADecker]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Being an open carry State doesn't necessarily mean that people take advantage of it. Most of them might not even know it about their State.

Taking guns away from average people doesn't stop mass shootings. Arming average people gives them the ability to protect themselves and others.

[nutildah]

isn't  bad decker just a parody poster?  like complete over the top sarcasm?

This would explain a lot, actually.

"What's the solution to curb mass shootings for the country in the world with the most guns and the most mass shootings? Obviously more guns!" 

Troll level logic. If it was ironic it might actually be humorous. Sadly, its not, and he's not that high level of a troll.

[JSRAW]

~Snip~

Taking guns away from average people doesn't stop mass shootings. Arming average people gives them the ability to protect themselves and others.

Correct, give every average people more guns and then wait for one average Joe to go into retard mode to shoot other ordinary people. Repeat the cycle...

[BADecker]

~Snip~

Taking guns away from average people doesn't stop mass shootings. Arming average people gives them the ability to protect themselves and others.

Correct, give every average people more guns and then wait for one average Joe to go into retard mode to shoot other ordinary people. Repeat the cycle...

Why give guns to average people? Rather, don't stop them from arming themselves.

When you get a bunch of people like you, who won't arm themselves, that's just what shooters look for.

I and others are starting to get the picture, here. You and other anti-gun people are the shooters! You are trying to push the idea of no guns so that people won't have the ability to protect themselves against you... or against that one average Joe who goes into retard mode now and again.

For thousands of years nobody had guns. That didn't stop them from hacking each other to pieces in crazy rampages at times. Now that we have guns, look at how the world population is soaring. People use guns to protect themselves. But the threat of gun self-protection is often all they need. Guns are working to make peace and keep peace... out of fear and respect of guns. When there aren't any guns, a shooter doesn't have fear and respect of people, and he proves it by being a shooter.


Over the last couple hundred years in America, guns brought general peace so that people could disarm for a time. Now, when people are breaking the peace again, you would rather have them lay down and die rather than protecting themselves. If you aren't the actual shooter, you are helping him by giving him a fertile field to harvest a bunch of lives in.


How big or small do the bullets have to be? El Paso Man Threw Bottles at Walmart Gunman to Distract Him

An El Paso native is being hailed a hero after getting shot in the Walmart massacre Saturday while throwing bottles at the gunman in an attempt to distract him from targeting others.

Chris Grant, 50, had gone with his mother to shop for groceries and was in the produce section when he saw alleged shooter Patrick Crusius firing specifically at Hispanic people, he said.

“To deter him I started just chucking bottles, I just started throwing random bottles at him,” Grant on Monday told CNN’s Chris Cuomo from his hospital bed at University Medical Center.

Grant’s plan worked and it wasn’t long before he became the gunman’s target.

“I ducked and he just started firing rounds off at me,” Grant said.

Grant was shot twice near his rib cage before the shooter moved on to other shoppers.

“When I got hit, it was like somebody put a hand grenade in your back and pulled the pin, that’s basically what it felt like,” he said.

Grant watched as fellow shoppers scrambled for cover and prayed in Spanish to be spared while the gunman, who was wearing shooting glasses, ignored their pleas and continued firing.

“They’re on the ground and he still just shot them in the head,” he said of other victims. “I mean, they’re praying in Spanish … ‘please, please don’t shoot me.’ And he had no remorse for their lives at all.”

Grant eventually made his way into Walmart’s auto department.

“There was Donna, my guardian angel,” he said.

CBP Officer Donna Sifford tended to Grant’s wounds and took him to shelter before sending him to the hospital. At the time, she was off-duty and without her gun.

“She said the same thing my mom said, ‘I’m going to Walmart; I don’t need my firearm,’” said Grant, who noted he and his mother own guns, but did not bring them to grocery shop.

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Get rid of the bottles. Outlaw bottles. People can throw them like bullets. You anti-gun jokers are so dense that, if density were gravity like notbatman says in his flat Earth thread, you'd weigh more here on Earth than you would on Jupiter.



EDIT: Now for the highly ironic part. At the time of this posting, right next to the article partially quoted above, is an ad for antidepressant drugs. Most of the time, it's drugs like these that help turn people into shooters.



EDIT 2: Just think. If Chris Grant in the article above, had been in the sporting goods department, he could have been throwing canisters of MACE and pepper spray rather than water. Some of them might have activated on landing, and distracted the shooter way more than bottles of water. Just think of the distraction if Chris had had his pistol and was shooting at the shooter.

[Astargath]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Right, wouldn't you want to have a gun or rifle with you when someone else is trying to murder you? What if you are in the middle of a mass shooting, what are you going to do? Yell they need a better education? lol, welcome to the real world.

[nutildah]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Right, wouldn't you want to have a gun or rifle with you when someone else is trying to murder you? What if you are in the middle of a mass shooting, what are you going to do? Yell they need a better education? lol, welcome to the real world.

Fails to explain how "more guns" is the solution. Texas is already armed to the teeth and its a mass shooter's go-to spot. 5 of the 25 deadliest mass shootings in America have been in Texas. Obviously people have the right to protect themselves -- nobody is saying they don't. But perhaps America should attempt to make it just a bit more difficult for nutcases to get their hands on guns? Just a thought.

[BADecker]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Right, wouldn't you want to have a gun or rifle with you when someone else is trying to murder you? What if you are in the middle of a mass shooting, what are you going to do? Yell they need a better education? lol, welcome to the real world.

Fails to explain how "more guns" is the solution. Texas is already armed to the teeth and its a mass shooter's go-to spot. 5 of the 25 deadliest mass shootings in America have been in Texas. Obviously people have the right to protect themselves -- nobody is saying they don't. But perhaps America should attempt to make it just a bit more difficult for nutcases to get their hands on guns? Just a thought.

Which Texas is armed to the teeth? People who open carry guns know how to use them. And when they are threatened, they use them. How many of the victims used guns on the shooters in the mass shootings in Texas? Sure doesn't look like Texas is armed to the teeth, does it?

Arm the general adult populace by law. Train them how to use guns by law. Then the shooters will be dead before they know it... by action of the armed populace. And the would-be shooters will dry up and go away out of fear, knowing that they will be executed by the general populace if they try anything.

What are police? What are military people. They carry guns. But they are people. Almost anybody can do it, and almost everybody should. All they need is training like the military and police are trained.

One major reason for the general populace to be armed is this. In WW2, the Japs were afraid to attack mainland America. "A rifle under every blade of grass." Now the shooters are proving to all kinds of other countries that the rifles don't exist under every blade of grass, at least where they are useful. Lack of guns is making us vulnerable to all the other countries of the world.

I'm starting to wonder if you are a foreign operative, trying to weaken us by pushing elimination of guns from the hands of Americans.

[BADecker]

Government does not have the authority or ability to put in strict gun control. Check out this link to see the simple reason why not - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=slam+gun.

The governmental reason is that the foundational law in the USA is private property, upheld by the local jury. Guns might be guns. But anyone can claim them as private property, thereby using government law to take control of their guns out of the hands of government.

If government authorizes gun control onto/into the private property area, it isn't government that is wrong. It is government officials that are wrong. They can be prosecuted for illegal activity just like anyone else can... especially by the people whose property they have messed with.

The better way is to arm all the average good people so they can protect themselves.

[Astargath]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Right, wouldn't you want to have a gun or rifle with you when someone else is trying to murder you? What if you are in the middle of a mass shooting, what are you going to do? Yell they need a better education? lol, welcome to the real world.

Fails to explain how "more guns" is the solution. Texas is already armed to the teeth and its a mass shooter's go-to spot. 5 of the 25 deadliest mass shootings in America have been in Texas. Obviously people have the right to protect themselves -- nobody is saying they don't. But perhaps America should attempt to make it just a bit more difficult for nutcases to get their hands on guns? Just a thought.

According to many statistics, guns prevent a ton of crimes: https://fee.org/articles/guns-prevent-thousands-of-crimes-every-day-research-show/

''But perhaps America should attempt to make it just a bit more difficult for nutcases to get their hands on guns?'' And you think making it harder for people to acquire guns will somehow prevent mass shootings?, let's say a state has 1 million people, 200k are legally armed. If the state implements a law to stop people from buying guns, the number of people legally armed should drop to 0. Nutcases, however, will still be able to buy guns, they are nutcases, obviously they don't care about the law. So what you get in return is:

Good people with no guns

Nutcases with pretty much the same amount of guns

Outcome? Far worse.

[TECSHARE]

Love idiots that think open carry will prevent mass shootings.

Texas is probably the heaviest gun open carry state, yet they've had what? 3 mass shootings in the past week?

Right, wouldn't you want to have a gun or rifle with you when someone else is trying to murder you? What if you are in the middle of a mass shooting, what are you going to do? Yell they need a better education? lol, welcome to the real world.

Fails to explain how "more guns" is the solution. Texas is already armed to the teeth and its a mass shooter's go-to spot. 5 of the 25 deadliest mass shootings in America have been in Texas. Obviously people have the right to protect themselves -- nobody is saying they don't. But perhaps America should attempt to make it just a bit more difficult for nutcases to get their hands on guns? Just a thought.

Allow me to explain how senseless your argument is. Replace the word gun with another word. Lets say police.

[Texas is full of police but there are still mass shootings? How can you say more police is the solution?]

or how about this

[We need to make it harder for bad drivers to get cars so they don't cause automobile accidents] - (cars kill more people every year BTW)


Clearly police are an antidote to mass shootings, but obviously they can not prevent them 100%. Just because it is still happening doesn't mean having more armed people is not reducing the likelihood of it. How do you document an attack that never happened? Also it means it can be ended much faster by allowing civilian response for not only for the protection of themselves but others. Guns aren't the cause of the problem, mental illness, over-medication, and general societal degradation are. The problem with your oh so simple solution is that it is a wide open door for abuse. As soon as a 3rd party gets to define who is good enough to own a firearm it will immediately begin being abused allowing further erosion of these rights for more and more reasons. Then once the citizenry has no ability to resist, then the rest of the rights are eroded even more completely.

These are the classic Fabianist tactics everyone who supports gun control uses. It is never enough, it is always about more more more restrictions no matter what until they get their ultimate goal of a total ban. They are even openly admitting their goal is confiscation now. You can't hide behind the "we just want common sense gun control" argument any more because we all know it is bullshit, except the people who want that, they are more than happy to lie to your face over it. Literally every single person I have debated who is pro gun control is either totally ignorant about how firearms work, and or is basing their argument on emotions and fear, with almost zero logic to back up their arguments. Gun control advocates want to strip the rights of law abiding people to assuage their own mental illness and self inflicted trauma. This is why they are now running shooter drills all across the nation complete with firing blanks, fake blood, etc. The goal is to traumatize children and adults into a state of fear so they can be more easily manipulated into advocating for stripping these rights. There is no reason children need to be subjected to this.

Furthermore, you left this country. Who the fuck are you to tell those of us who still reside here what our laws should be? How do you think the locals there would react if I started lecturing them about their domestic policies? In summary we need to address the cause of these people feeling the need to execute a bunch of strangers, not focus on the tool they used to do it with. This is a failed strategy.

[BADecker]

If he can get a gun, even though he was turned down by government gun control, anybody can get a gun. If gun control becomes stricter, all it will do is take away freedom from everyone. Bad guys will still be able to get guns. Better to arm the populace so they can protect themselves.


Odessa Mass Shooter Failed Background Check and Had Gun Illegally...

Seth Ator was killed by Odessa police after going on a shooting spree, killing seven people and injuring more than 20.

There was an active shooter in Odessa, Texas on Saturday afternoon.

20 people were injured in the shooting.
Seven people were killed.

36-year-old Seth Ator, a resident of Odessa, Texas was named as the assailant on Sunday nearly 24 hours after the shooting.
He opened fire on state troopers during a traffic stop.

Watch the video.





EDIT: Personally, I wonder if all the World Trade Center buildings were built with explosives right in them. The ones that are left could be exploded at any time.

[squatz1]

It's the easiest solution and I can't think of any other solution to ever be able to prevent crazy/mentally ill people from committing crimes. Education will not help against mentally ill people, no matter how much you try, what other solution can you think of?

1. Adequate mental health services. Making it easier for people to obtain psychiatric services and be prescribed anti-psychotic and mood stabilizing medications. A society-wide initiative to remove the stigma around mental health care.

2. Upping background checks for those seeking to purchase firearms.

3. Banning of assault weapons and military-grade weapons.

10 more people were just killed in Ohio. This is getting way out of hand.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-10-may-be-dead-in-dayton-ohio-gunfire-reports

There was extensive research done on the front of mass shootings and school shootings, and it showed that the only policy initiative that MAY work towards having any success in solving the issue is banning 'assault rifles' But it doesn't stop the amount of shootings happening, though it does limit the amount of people who would perish in thes events.

If we're willing to admit that's fine then we're good. But if you want these things to never happen again we need to keep looking for new solutions.

[TwitchySeal]

Things to do to reduce mass shootings.

Get rid of drugs that affect the mind. Most of the mass shootings seem to have medical drug abuse behind them.

Require all adults to open carry a pistol... .38 to .45... whenever they are in public. This will give them some leverage of protection against mass shooters. Remember, most people are peaceful and friendly.

Require adult training so that they know how to use the pistol they are carrying. In their training, they will see the affects of shooting damage, and they will get serious with themselves, and respectful of others.

Are you scared of this idea of everyone open carrying? Go home, and stay on your private residence where you won't be in public, and have no open carry requirement. We don't want you out in public. It's chickens like you that make it dangerous for everybody.

I do like your idea of requiring all gun owners to be properly trained.  But forcing people to open carry and getting rid of all drugs that alter the mind would be nuts (what are you a socialist?).  Of course, if more guns meant less gun violence, this wouldn't be an issue.

[acroman08]

I have a question

Why are these people feel the need to go on a killing spree? it is clear that even if there is a strict gun control these shootings never stop what does
make this people do these things? why do they have these kind of mind set? are the government doing all their best to prevent future mass shootings?

it is heart breaking that such a developed country has these kind of citizens.

[BADecker]

I have a question

Why are these people feel the need to go on a killing spree? it is clear that even if there is a strict gun control these shootings never stop what does
make this people do these things? why do they have these kind of mind set? are the government doing all their best to prevent future mass shootings?

it is heart breaking that such a developed country has these kind of citizens.

Their need comes from a combination of medical stress drugs overdose, something that went sour in their lives, and often a pet religion that they think they are fighting for.

[Quanatix]

I have a question

Why are these people feel the need to go on a killing spree? it is clear that even if there is a strict gun control these shootings never stop what does
make this people do these things? why do they have these kind of mind set? are the government doing all their best to prevent future mass shootings?

it is heart breaking that such a developed country has these kind of citizens.

It is about money.

But it is also about psychology, sociology, politics, religion and jobs.

There are many factors and it would take quite a while to research on scholar.google.com to get them all out. Besides some of them could actually contradict each other. Here's what's really happening:

"Murder" is a spiritual sin. Even if you do not have a religion, murder casts a shadow on your moral compass, your "true North" so to speak. Especially in an unjustified setting. Now, honestly speaking - in all societies, there will be a certain percentage of individuals that have that "aggressive" gene. These are your people who either become your Navy Seals, Marines or Delta Force, these are in short, your warrior class. Now, not all of the warrior class realizes this potential and together with the environment plus a lack of discipline, plus psychological trauma (such as bullying, isolation and the perverted sense of reality on the Internet - guess what happens to this potential warrior class? They become aggressive.

But there is another factor at play here, and that is the huge amount of money the weapons industry is making, and the military industrial complex.

What would happen if you pass legislation that would negatively affect tens of thousands of workers and thousands of businesses?

What would happen if you outlaw an entire industry by trying to dismantle "an entire culture" that is built around it?

Suddenly, this complex industrial-culture, with its political bases, traditions, norms and economic model will disintegrate, thereby creating a vacuum in the economy.

These are some numbers published by the NSSF:

Economic Impact of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Industry in the United States
Direct   Supplier   Induced   Total
Jobs (FTE)   149,146   62,827   100,018   311,991
Wages   $6,227,108,200   $4,342,966,200   $5,161,711,300   $15,731,785,700
Economic Impact   $21,361,163,600   $14,320,977,800   $16,405,365,000   $52,087,506,400

Companies in the United States that manufacture, distribute, and sell firearms, ammunition, and hunting equipment employ as many as 149,146 people in the country and generate an additional 162,845 jobs in supplier and ancillary industries. These include jobs in supplying goods and services to manufacturers, distributors, and retailers, and those that depend on sales to workers in the firearms and ammunition industry.[1]

These are good jobs paying an average of $50,400 in wages and benefits. And today, every job is important. The United States currently has an unemployment rate of 3.77 percent. This means that there are already 6,132,000 people trying to find jobs in the nation and collecting unemployment benefits.[2]

Source
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We covered just one aspect and that is the economic implications - and the reason why so many lobbyist with great sophistry, meme making and punch line skills still win, despite all the body count.

It's mostly about the money.
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As to your next question, "Why are these people feel the need to go on a killing spree?"

It varies from person to person. If you are the type of person who has never felt the urge to do this, then you are a happy person. A happy, moral and emotionally healthy person will not go on a killing spree. The people who do this are mostly below a certain age - save with a very few exceptions.

Imagine you are an adolescent teenager, who gets bullied, mocked and physically hurt BOTH at home and in school. Then there's no way to take out all these frustrations. Now imagine, if you are able to acquire a means to "settle" the score so to speak. A gun, ends all mockery, ends all the pain (murder-suicide), ends the existence of those that cause your pain and creates a false sense of "justice" as often portrayed in entertainment media.

You get an opportunity for vengeance at all the wrong things that person perceives in society.

It's similar to road rage and PTSD, and is mostly psychological in nature.

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are the government doing all their best to prevent future mass shootings?

Yes and No. Why? Politics. Again, if you craft legislation or laws that will make a lot of people lose millions or even billions of dollars, you will possibly be NOT-VOTED again in the next election. What is currently happening is that leaders fed up by the mass shootings and leaders who realize the economic impacts are going head to head against each other - and ending up in unsatisfactory "compromises" which will not really impact this situation.

So, the cycle continues and we get to see another post until the next one.