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August 04, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
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4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings have taken place in Texas, which is known for its extremely lax gun laws.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting-20-dead-26-injured-gov-greg-abbott-police-chief-greg-allen

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A gunman killed 20 people and injured 26 others Saturday after he opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, state and city officials said...

The suspected gunman has not been publicly named, but two law enforcement officials identified him to The Associated Press as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas. It was unclear what connection the suspect had to El Paso. Texas state lawmaker Jeff Leach said in a tweeted statement that the suspect graduated from Plano Senior High School in 2017...

Chief Allen said investigators were examining a manifesto that may have been written by the suspect and would indicate a “nexus to a hate crime,” but declined to offer details. The suspect will likely face capital murder charges, Allen said...

Vanessa Saenz, a witness, told Fox News that she heard several "pops" near the area and saw a man in a black shirt and cargo pants with a weapon shooting outside the building before entering the Walmart.

"He was just pointing at people and just shooting," she added. Another witness told Fox News that his mother died at the scene.

A witness told CBS News that he was about to enter the Walmart when he heard at least 10 gunshots and saw an elderly lady fall to the ground. He said he was not sure if she was shot...

Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

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August 04, 2019, 06:49:38 AM
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4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings have taken place in Texas, which is known for its extremely lax gun laws.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting-20-dead-26-injured-gov-greg-abbott-police-chief-greg-allen

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A gunman killed 20 people and injured 26 others Saturday after he opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, state and city officials said...

The suspected gunman has not been publicly named, but two law enforcement officials identified him to The Associated Press as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas. It was unclear what connection the suspect had to El Paso. Texas state lawmaker Jeff Leach said in a tweeted statement that the suspect graduated from Plano Senior High School in 2017...

Chief Allen said investigators were examining a manifesto that may have been written by the suspect and would indicate a “nexus to a hate crime,” but declined to offer details. The suspect will likely face capital murder charges, Allen said...

Vanessa Saenz, a witness, told Fox News that she heard several "pops" near the area and saw a man in a black shirt and cargo pants with a weapon shooting outside the building before entering the Walmart.

"He was just pointing at people and just shooting," she added. Another witness told Fox News that his mother died at the scene.

A witness told CBS News that he was about to enter the Walmart when he heard at least 10 gunshots and saw an elderly lady fall to the ground. He said he was not sure if she was shot...

Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.


I am personally pro-gun, but what united states need is some psychiatric evaluation of everyone wanting to buy guns, and to be more strict about it.I doubt gun ban would help much, seeing that states with strick gun laws have high homicide rates, like Illinois or Maryland.
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August 04, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

it's a violent and military culture. no other country in the world is constantly on war, no one has so many military holidays. the mass media reinforces manichean views of good and evil. Jack Bauer taught people that torture may be cool, sometimes... in other countries violence is rooted in inequality, poverty. but in the US these delusional guys do for futile reasons and they see themselves as heroes.

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August 04, 2019, 09:14:09 AM
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This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?



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August 04, 2019, 12:41:57 PM
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ps : only cattles go to malls Smiley

Your post is a combination of "zzz" and "lol wut?" For the most part its unreadable and I'm not even going to try. However, you should know that it took place at a Walmart and not a mall, though they also tend to be filled with bovine-type people.

Answer me honestly: how old were you when you were first diagnosed with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia? I know you were at some point and I'm not trying to shame you, I really am just curious.


Some interesting takes from others out there, thanks for sharing your opinions.

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August 04, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America?
There's gotta be some sort of reform in gun laws. I mean, the fact that you can just walk into a gun store and buy an assult rifle is absolutely insane, at least to me.

Also, the fact that this is becoming pretty common to the US citizens is kinda sad, makes me wonder if nowadays people are scared to go out to the supermarket or a mall? I'd be pretty terrified, tbh. And what's make everything more messed up is that you just know that that the media and politicians are gonna use this news as the newest source to push their own political agenda rather than trying to tackle the main problem.

What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.
First thing that comes to mind is the word "Again?". You know things are getting bad when more and more people around you tell you that they're hesitant to travel to the US. Some friends of mine, even relatives, are scared that they're gonna get killed at the most random of places by some crazy mofo. I mean, there was a shooting in a garlic festival a few days ago, wasn't it? A garlic festival...wtf?

Btw, this might be a cliché question so apologies in advance if anyone gets triggered, is USA is the country with the most mass shootings in the world? I'm not asking about rates of murder, I believe 3rd world countries like Venezuela and Honduras are in the lead in that regard.

Legit question because I feel like I read news about a mass shooting in the US way more frequently than I do from any other country in the world, almost feels like this stuff happens on a monthly basis (I could be wrong). Maybe it's because the US is always on the spotlight so the media around the world prefers to pick up the news from this country? I don't know, but 3 mass shootings (California, Ohio, Texas) in a week is...a lot.

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August 04, 2019, 12:57:51 PM
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This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?
I thought Obama was too careful, handling such a serious matter with kid's glove. It is now the turn of a business man Trump, nothing has changed. Some conflicting things I dont understand when a white guy with such a rampage killing in a place of 80% Latino. Maybe America needs to be careful how they treat racial disparity in the social media. Not everyone will be able to handle it very well with guns in their hands.

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Answer me honestly: how old were you when you were first diagnosed with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia? I know you were at some point and I'm not trying to shame you, I really am just curious.

ahahah ! the medical progaganda !

I spent a few years studying psychiatric illnesses, working on the schizophrenia ward of a psychiatric hospital and outpatient clinics. You exhibit all the characteristics of somebody with schizophrenia. However, due to your on and off-again outbursts, there's a chance you may be bipolar or manic with psychotic features. I have a strong feeling I'm not the first to say this to you. Can you at least tell me if I'm right about that part?

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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

It's absolutely necessary to look at whether the shooters were on a prescription for anti-psychotic drugs in these cases.

I have thought for some years that Big Pharma is overprescribing and understating the potential dangers.

For example, suppose that it is believed that XYZ is safe to live in society if he takes drug Z.

What happens the day "T" he forgets or decides not to take Z?

Whose fault is it?

What has to change to prevent T?

https://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/school-shootings-psychotropic-drug-use-by-school-shooters-merits-federal-investigation/

https://www.ladailypost.com/content/brief-history-psychotropic-drugs-prescribed-mass-murderers
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....
Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

It's absolutely necessary to look at whether the shooters were on a prescription for anti-psychotic drugs in these cases.

I have thought for some years that Big Pharma is overprescribing and understating the potential dangers.

For example, suppose that it is believed that XYZ is safe to live in society if he takes drug Z.

What happens the day "T" he forgets or decides not to take Z?

Whose fault is it?

What has to change to prevent T?

https://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/school-shootings-psychotropic-drug-use-by-school-shooters-merits-federal-investigation/

https://www.ladailypost.com/content/brief-history-psychotropic-drugs-prescribed-mass-murderers

before confining people and going back to the early 20th century psychiatry, we need to answer this question:

why the psychotics from another countries are not doing mass shootings?

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....
Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

It's absolutely necessary to look at whether the shooters were on a prescription for anti-psychotic drugs in these cases.

I have thought for some years that Big Pharma is overprescribing and understating the potential dangers.

For example, suppose that it is believed that XYZ is safe to live in society if he takes drug Z.

What happens the day "T" he forgets or decides not to take Z?

Whose fault is it?

What has to change to prevent T?

https://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/school-shootings-psychotropic-drug-use-by-school-shooters-merits-federal-investigation/

https://www.ladailypost.com/content/brief-history-psychotropic-drugs-prescribed-mass-murderers

before confining people and going back to the early 20th century psychiatry, we need to answer this question:

why the psychotics from another countries are not doing mass shootings?

One other question you might ask, which country is the most heavily medicated on Earth?


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One other question you might ask, which country is the most heavily medicated on Earth?

good question, Tecshare!!! so why is this happening? why they are so sick?

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This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

Never changing never ending.

Guns guns and more guns.

Here is the simple math.

251 mass shootings in the USA for this year so far.

By definition 4 or more don’t  count the shooter

So 4 x 251 = 1004 lives.

Let’s say the average number is 10

So 10 x 251 = 2510.  While it seems like a,lot of people compare it to 330,000,000 million

Drop in the bucket.  The lives saved with seat belts and less smoking is over 10,000

So in terms of senseless death   What would you have 10,000 or 2510?

So the gov passed laws to do the easy life saving. Car deaths and smoking deaths were easier to stop.

I was talking about this in my lovely state of New Jersey today with my wife. We were discussing what out best guess to avoid a local mass shooting would be.

Like should we not go to the mall?
Or not go to a tavern?
Or not go to a movie?

For now we stopped going to the movies.  We know even though NJ has solid gun laws other states don’t .

Years ago I lived in New York City .  I knew a guy that drove to Maine once a month purchased four to five pistols legally in Maine. Then drove back to New York and sold them for three times the price he paid.

About 1500 was turned into 4500 in 36 hour road trip.
I know many countries don’t push states rights like USA
But states rights cause financial reasons for crime.

This to me is a huge flaw in the USA causing insane behavior and crimes due to inconsistent laws.

The age of sexual consent varies state to state. So what.

 Some guy is 18 his girl friend is 17.

They have a lot of car sex while driving she likes to give him hand jobs.
While in the state of New York she is of the age of consent 17 but in New Jersey the age of consent is 18.

So while drive from New York City to great adventure in New Jersey she starts a hand job and does not finish until in the state,of New Jersey .

In New York he is merely a distracted driver. A simple traffic ticket.
In New Jersey he is a pedifile  a sex criminal .

These inconsistencies in state laws are numerous causing many people to behave crazy.

Why not the government can make its mind up why not do some thing crazy.

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August 04, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
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One other question you might ask, which country is the most heavily medicated on Earth?

good question, Tecshare!!! so why is this happening? why they are so sick?

I wasn't aware it was a requirement to be sick to consume medication. The fact is the USA is the most medicated nation on Earth. Everyone wants to pretend this is not a factor, instead opting for the personification of inanimate objects, blaming them for the acts of mass shooters, the majority of which are on some kind of psychotropic drug with the known side effects of suicidal and homicidal ideation.


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before confining people and going back to the early 20th century psychiatry, we need to answer this question:

why the psychotics from another countries are not doing mass shootings?

I have a theory this is all a matter of money, business.

In the USA marketing and liberal thinking has encouraged putting the crazies with the regular kids, in the regular classrooms.

People are hammered with the concept that "the drug will make them fine, it will make them normal."

But that's not exactly true. The links I provided show the details.
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Does the mega push for black abortions and black on black crimes matter? My television cares about dead people only when they are not from the Black Ghettos. Tens of thousands dead and no one cares. Millions of black babies aborted, no one cares.

Sad for the people, but 2A4Ever.


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Crazy.... and only reason is.... they where mexican origin   Roll Eyes

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This baseless wasting of innocent life is uncalled for and I don't see reason why people should be bend of taking each other life as we cannot create one. It is sad that this is happening now that we are having promotions for peace and when we are finding ways out of what divided us in the past.If  developed countries are not safe what is the hope for the third world countries that are be over power by the terrorism and extremists?
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Major points:

1. Get your guns and ammo;

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I think the problem stems from wealth inequality.  When people are abused by corporations and capitalists they become resentful of society and these types of events are bound to happen.  We need to make sure everyone has a good life with all their basic needs met.
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Does the mega push for black abortions and black on black crimes matter? My television cares about dead people only when they are not from the Black Ghettos. Tens of thousands dead and no one cares. Millions of black babies aborted, no one cares.

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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

I qualify to answer this even if half the other retarded cunts can't read and are answering a question that wasn't asked of them...

I feel sorry for the kids, the kids who are forced to endure "active shooter drills" no fucking child should ever have to be subjected to something so unnecessary.  No fucking child should be scared for their life at school in a civilized country.

I think you Muricans need MOAR GUNS, I mean if every man women and child (over 9) was armed with military hardware just think of how many fewer people would die, you know like the rest of the developed world does.

But hey everyone has got "thoughts and prayers" I might be an insensitive twat but I now laugh out loud when I hear anyone say "our thoughts and prayers..."

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There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.
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There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.

There's not though. Like Los Angeles or Detroit or NYC they are usually 1 or 2 people shot at the same time. Of course it happens far too often, and when multiple deaths happen we do hear about it, especially if you live in Chicago.

This year in Chicago there's never been more than 2 deaths in the same incident:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Gang violence is rather commonplace and happens every day. Someone shooting up a Walmart and killing 20 people doesn't.

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This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?
I thought Obama was too careful, handling such a serious matter with kid's glove. It is now the turn of a business man Trump, nothing has changed. Some conflicting things I dont understand when a white guy with such a rampage killing in a place of 80% Latino. Maybe America needs to be careful how they treat racial disparity in the social media. Not everyone will be able to handle it very well with guns in their hands.

It's very complicate issue for people in America, I think.
It's part of their culture, I believe and it's also their way of life.
They feel more secure with their weapons and this right is guaranteed by the constitution.
More weapons again means more violence, and so again in the circle of new arms purchases and more violence.



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August 05, 2019, 03:10:34 PM
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There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.

There's not though. Like Los Angeles or Detroit or NYC they are usually 1 or 2 people shot at the same time. Of course it happens far too often, and when multiple deaths happen we do hear about it, especially if you live in Chicago.

This year in Chicago there's never been more than 2 deaths in the same incident:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Gang violence is rather commonplace and happens every day. Someone shooting up a Walmart and killing 20 people doesn't.

There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.
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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings. The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.

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This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

One of the big things that people who are really for gun rights in the US say is that while these mass shootings are horrible, they're not the majority of crime in the US -- they're probably only around 1 percent of all crime in the US.

There also has been no tried and true way to even eliminate these mass shootings -- as researches have concluded that the only possible solution would be to ban 'assault rifles' and all that does is lower the death-count during these tragedies. If people are to admit that lowering the deathcount is an OKAY conclusion, then that's fine -- but don't expect these shootings to go away.

It's a very tough topic on both sides here, as OBVIOUSLY neither side wants people to die -- but one side doesn't think they should have to give up their firearms due to crazy people abusing freedoms to kill people -- and the other side feels the only solution is to limit the availability of these guns to regular everyday Americans.

It's a very tough issue in the US and it's not something that can be solved by another countries model. Because as these shootings are so rare, it's even hard to find solutions statistical speaking.




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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.

Except your little website is akin to saying "People who have pools are more likely to drown." or "People who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident." It is not a legitimate metric. Also, you will notice it is "gun deaths", another slick little trick anti-rights pushers try to use to lump in all defensive use, suicides, etc into statistics to inflate them. More people are killed every year with blunt objects than with "assault rifles" even though an assault rifle is a fully automatic rifle, not just a black rifle that looks scary. All of the states with the most strict gun control laws have the biggest problems with firearm homicides.

Six minutes is a long time. Of course you haven't read it anywhere. You only consume pasteurized and opinion piece media that filters your reality for you so you never have to experience any mild form of cognitive dissonance by being forced to consider ideas that conflict with your beliefs. It doesn't fit the "guns are bad" narrative so of course it is not being reported. Firearms aren't designed to cause mass casualties any more than a lighter is designed to burn down mass amounts of buildings. It is a tool, and it does what the person behind it makes it do.



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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.

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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.
Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism
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Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution  Grin

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Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution  Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists.  Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed. 
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I wasn't aware it was a requirement to be sick to consume medication.

yes it is.

The fact is the USA is the most medicated nation on Earth. Everyone wants to pretend this is not a factor, instead opting for the personification of inanimate objects, blaming them for the acts of mass shooters, the majority of which are on some kind of psychotropic drug with the known side effects of suicidal and homicidal ideation.

well,  mass stabbing is a little harder to perform, but you're partially right, it's not only the guns, it's also the violent, racist culture.

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Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution  Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists.  Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed. 

nope, gang kids killing each other is not terrorism. it's another problem, but it is not terrorism. terrorism has political motivations. it's called terrorism cause they want to terrorize people, innocents, the message is "no one is safe, it can happen anytime, anywhere".

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Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution  Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists.  Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed. 

nope, gang kids killing each other is not terrorism. it's another problem, but it is not terrorism. terrorism has political motivations. it's called terrorism cause they want to terrorize people, innocents, the message is "no one is safe, it can happen anytime, anywhere".

When a gang banger opens fire in the city trying to kill a rival gang member innocent people are all around at the time terrorizing them. now multiply that times over 1500 shootings and it has the whole city terrorized as to when the next shooting will occur and if they will be a target.  Thats terrorism. these cities with "Mass shootings" are terrorized for a short period of time and life goes on but in Chicago it's every day.
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When a gang banger opens fire in the city trying to kill a rival gang member innocent people are all around at the time terrorizing them. now multiply that times over 1500 shootings and it has the whole city terrorized as to when the next shooting will occur and if they will be a target.  Thats terrorism. these cities with "Mass shootings" are terrorized for a short period of time and life goes on but in Chicago it's every day.

nope, that's mafia. it's terrible and I'm sure it's making the news too. terrorism has political motivations. political motivations.

what's really your point? in chicago they are black, right?

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When a gang banger opens fire in the city trying to kill a rival gang member innocent people are all around at the time terrorizing them. now multiply that times over 1500 shootings and it has the whole city terrorized as to when the next shooting will occur and if they will be a target.  Thats terrorism. these cities with "Mass shootings" are terrorized for a short period of time and life goes on but in Chicago it's every day.

nope, that's mafia. it's terrible and im sure it's making the news too. terrorism has political motivations. political motivations.

what's really your point? in chicago they black, right?

Yes they are mostly Black in Chicago and strangely enough it doesn't make headlines like these White mass shooters....And yes i'm white
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I wasn't aware it was a requirement to be sick to consume medication.

yes it is.


You are right. I wasn't sick at all. I went to my wife's medicine cabinet and tried to swallow her opioid drugs. I swished the pills around in my mouth, but as hard as I did it, I couldn't swallow them, and they didn't even break down in my mouth saliva.

So, I thought I would put them back in the bottle for the wife. But I couldn't. As I washed my saliva off them, they dissolved in the sink water, and flowed down the drain.

Darnedest thing.

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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/
The website you cited uses misleading statistics by using gun deaths, which includes accidental deaths and suicides. Look at places like Chicago or Detroit that have very serious gun violence problems and have the strongest gun control laws in the country.
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The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.



Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.
I don’t think many mall security guards carry guns.

https://youtu.be/yywmSuC9wJc

This is an interview with the guy. It is widely available on many news sites.
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The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.
There are a lot of things that can inflict mass casualties. In 2017 in Charlottesville, a person drove his car into a crowd during the “free speech” march. There was someone who drove his car into a parade in OK killing 4 and injuring 48 in 2015. In 2016, in France, a terrorist drove a truck into a crowd killing 86 and injuring hundreds more.

If you take away everyone’s guns, there will not be many gun deaths, but bad people will use other means, and people will be in a worse position to defend themselves.

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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/
The website you cited uses misleading statistics by using gun deaths, which includes accidental deaths and suicides. Look at places like Chicago or Detroit that have very serious gun violence problems and have the strongest gun control laws in the country.
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The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.



Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.
I don’t think many mall security guards carry guns.

https://youtu.be/yywmSuC9wJc

This is an interview with the guy. It is widely available on many news sites.
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The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.
There are a lot of things that can inflict mass casualties. In 2017 in Charlottesville, a person drove his car into a crowd during the “free speech” march. There was someone who drove his car into a parade in OK killing 4 and injuring 48 in 2015. In 2016, in France, a terrorist drove a truck into a crowd killing 86 and injuring hundreds more.

If you take away everyone’s guns, there will not be many gun deaths, but bad people will use other means, and people will be in a worse position to defend themselves.

And also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.     Cool

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Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.  

If having MOAR guns made a country safer then the USA would have the least number of mass shootings.  Since the exact opposite is true the rest of the developed world decided to listen to the facts and that their citizens lives were more important that gun manufacture's profit!


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Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.  

If having MOAR guns made a country safer then the USA would have the least number of mass shootings.  Since the exact opposite is true the rest of the developed world decided to listen to the facts and that their citizens lives were more important that gun manufacture's profit!







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Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.  

If having MOAR guns made a country safer then the USA would have the least number of mass shootings.  Since the exact opposite is true the rest of the developed world decided to listen to the facts and that their citizens lives were more important that gun manufacture's profit!



Unless of course there is another dependent factor you are leaving out, such as over prescription of medication and lack of mental health treatment. McAfee raised an interesting question recently.

"Why have people become so angry, hostile and alienated that they need to murder total strangers? That's the question, people. We need to answer that first."

I wasn't aware it was a requirement to be sick to consume medication.

yes it is.

The fact is the USA is the most medicated nation on Earth. Everyone wants to pretend this is not a factor, instead opting for the personification of inanimate objects, blaming them for the acts of mass shooters, the majority of which are on some kind of psychotropic drug with the known side effects of suicidal and homicidal ideation.

well,  mass stabbing is a little harder to perform, but you're partially right, it's not only the guns, it's also the violent, racist culture.

What about setting buildings on fire? Improvised explosives? Poison? Running people over with trucks? The fact is modern life gives everyone ample opportunity to use these tools to harm people if they choose to. The problem is not the tool they use, it is the motivation behind it. If all we are doing is taking tools away we still have homicidal people only killing people using different tools, and people less able to defend themselves. That is even assuming that gun control will keep illegal guns out of their hands at all, which is arguable since if some one is willing to murder they don't much care about violating gun laws.


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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

I always think the same when i read news like this... Give weapons to anyone and wait they don't shoot themselves is an ironic idea. I want to say i'm sorry about the news, no one deserves to die that way, but we live in a haters society, people who grow with bullying will not think twice about take a gun and kill the abusers. So, what did this kid has in his mind to pull the trigger? how muy pain he felt in the past days to decide to make a mass murder? We all think he ruins his life by doing this, but common sense tells me his life already was ruined and isn't his fault, is the society fault.

This is a complex topic and i hope it doesn't happen again, but sadly it will because the society let it happen.

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People kill people with any tools they can find not just guns and its not easy to just take up a gun and shoot other people but where this world is going now only God knows hatred is growing bigger in the heart of people against people,the kid that did this might be rejected by the society or the other but im sure he was passing through alot and he was tired of living and yet living in anger towards other people,one way or the other i hope this will be the end of people getting killed in shootouts
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Now we're finding out that it was a government set-up. Soros is probably behind it to promote gun control. But there may be bigger hidden fish than he.


Five simple questions that blow apart the official fake news narrative about the El Paso...



Five huge questions are screaming out for real answers:

#1) If there's only one shooter, why did so many eyewitnesses report multiple shooters at the scene?

#2) Why did the local police arrest and hold three suspects in custody, as was widely reported by the media before the story was changed to a "lone shooter?"

#3) Why does the so-called "manifesto" appear to be written by someone far older than 21 years of age? (Answer: The manifesto is a hoax. It was not written by the individual who was arrested as the shooter.)

#4) How does one man kill 20 people and wound another 30 people with a single magazine that only holds 30 rounds? The surveillance photo shows no chest rig, no battle belt and no spare magazines.

#5) If the shooter is on a suicide mission, why does he bother to wear both eye protection and ear protection? Answer: Because he knows he will survive his "mission" and be taken into custody after surrendering to police. It wasn't a suicide mission at all.


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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm from a country in which guns and weapons are strictly controlled by the government. There were many times I was disappointed on my government because they control and restrict us on so many things but seeing news or articles like this, I know that they're right at some point. Also, I feel really sorry for those people who were killed and their relatives. America is not Pakistan or some other Islamic countries, these gun massacres are tarnishing its image as a place of freedom, peace and democracy.
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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm from a country in which guns and weapons are strictly controlled by the government. There were many times I was disappointed on my government because they control and restrict us on so many things but seeing news or articles like this, I know that they're right at some point. Also, I feel really sorry for those people who were killed and their relatives. America is not Pakistan or some other Islamic countries, these gun massacres are tarnishing its image as a place of freedom, peace and democracy.

You forget the fact that if everyone in the store was open carrying - some of them with assault rifles - this joker would have been too scared to do what he did. Nobody would have died.

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Except your little website is akin to saying "People who have pools are more likely to drown." or "People who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident." It is not a legitimate metric.

Of course people who have pools are more likely to drown. Of course people who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident. Of course its a legitimate metric. Thats kind of the whole point: more guns = more gun deaths.

Also, you will notice it is "gun deaths", another slick little trick anti-rights pushers try to use to lump in all defensive use, suicides, etc into statistics to inflate them.

Any death caused by a gun is still a death.

All of the states with the most strict gun control laws have the biggest problems with firearm homicides.

Not true. If you honestly believed this, you'd provide some kind of a source. Though I'd prefer if it wasn't ZeroHedge or the NRA.

Six minutes is a long time. Of course you haven't read it anywhere. You only consume pasteurized and opinion piece media that filters your reality for you so you never have to experience any mild form of cognitive dissonance by being forced to consider ideas that conflict with your beliefs. It doesn't fit the "guns are bad" narrative so of course it is not being reported.

The soldier moved children out of the way. His gun had nothing to do with "slowing the shooter down." He didn't draw it, he wasn't even seen by the shooter. I first read that story 2 days ago so save your projection fantasies for another time.

Firearms aren't designed to cause mass casualties any more than a lighter is designed to burn down mass amounts of buildings. It is a tool, and it does what the person behind it makes it do.

Thats a ridiculous comparison. AK-47s are designed to inflict mass human casualties.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-13/ak-47-rifle-inventor-mikhail-kalashnikov-regrets-creating-weapon/5198396

This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

One of the big things that people who are really for gun rights in the US say is that while these mass shootings are horrible, they're not the majority of crime in the US -- they're probably only around 1 percent of all crime in the US.

There also has been no tried and true way to even eliminate these mass shootings -- as researches have concluded that the only possible solution would be to ban 'assault rifles' and all that does is lower the death-count during these tragedies. If people are to admit that lowering the deathcount is an OKAY conclusion, then that's fine -- but don't expect these shootings to go away.

It's a very tough topic on both sides here, as OBVIOUSLY neither side wants people to die -- but one side doesn't think they should have to give up their firearms due to crazy people abusing freedoms to kill people -- and the other side feels the only solution is to limit the availability of these guns to regular everyday Americans.

It's a very tough issue in the US and it's not something that can be solved by another countries model. Because as these shootings are so rare, it's even hard to find solutions statistical speaking.

This is the most well-reasoned response here so far, and really there's not much more to be said. The only thing I would add is that assault rifles should definitely be banned outright.

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^^^ Oh come on. If we are going to ban assault rifles, let's go all the way and ban hurting each other.

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^^^ Oh come on. If we are going to ban assault rifles, let's go all the way and ban hurting each other.

Hurting each other is already banned. It's called "assault." It would seem that you're on board for banning assault rifles then, thanks for taking a step forward.

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^^^ Oh come on. If we are going to ban assault rifles, let's go all the way and ban hurting each other.

Hurting each other is already banned. It's called "assault." It would seem that you're on board for banning assault rifles then, thanks for taking a step forward.

So you see? Banning something doesn't stop it. So, banning is simply wishful thinking... since it doesn't work, anyway.

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^^^ Oh come on. If we are going to ban assault rifles, let's go all the way and ban hurting each other.

Hurting each other is already banned. It's called "assault." It would seem that you're on board for banning assault rifles then, thanks for taking a step forward.

So you see? Banning something doesn't stop it. So, banning is simply wishful thinking... since it doesn't work, anyway.

This is the type of hyperbole that prevents meaningful discussion on the issue from taking place. I could go the other way and say why not just legalize murder since laws against assault don't work.

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^^^ Oh come on. If we are going to ban assault rifles, let's go all the way and ban hurting each other.

Hurting each other is already banned. It's called "assault." It would seem that you're on board for banning assault rifles then, thanks for taking a step forward.

So you see? Banning something doesn't stop it. So, banning is simply wishful thinking... since it doesn't work, anyway.

This is the type of hyperbole that prevents meaningful discussion on the issue from taking place. I could go the other way and say why not just legalize murder since laws against assault don't work.

You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

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August 06, 2019, 05:31:54 AM
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You could. But don't. Rather, go the way that works. Arm everyone. Since most people are good, they will protect each other from the few who are bad.

In what society does that work? The U.S. already has more than 1 gun per person and also the highest number of mass shootings. You have no evidence that your way works.

Regardless, I'd rather live in a place where being armed wasn't compulsory. Don't know about you.

Here's the society it works in. The Walmart society. What do I mean?

The average person goes to Walmart simply for groceries or other items. Many go for the fun of shopping. Do you know what else these people do? They get mad at Walmart Associates who make a mistake. They call the manager in. And if the manager sticks up for the associate, he better be right... because the customers stick up for each other.

Get over to Walmart. This happens all the time. The customers are sheep until they detect something going on that is not right. Then they become aggressive.

I'd much rather have a few dozen angry customers around me, helping me fight off a shooter, than sit there and cry in my blood before I died.

What in the world kind of a sissy are you? Arm the people so they have a fighting chance against a shooter.

Cool

You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

It's not madness. It's anger at how stupid you are proving yourself to be.

When you ban the guns, ban them out of the hands of the military, as well. After all, guns are guns, right? Then we can go back to using swords and hacking each other into little bits, right?

A 250-pound bully can easily overpower, rape, mug, and kill a 90-pound teenage girl... even if she knows karate, btw. But if Girly has a gun, she has a chance... even if the bully has a gun, as well.

You really need to check the statistics of how many women are arming up these days, just for self-protection.

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August 06, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.
Terrorism?  there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

This is the stuff that gun owners point to when people tell them that mass shootings are the biggest problem. Mass shootings seem like a much larger problem then they are due to the fact that they're on the news all the time -- do you want to know why they're on the news all the time --> IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE RARE.

They're not going to put shootings in Chicago on the news, because that's not news anymore. It's common at this point.




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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?
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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?

if you believe that pedogate is fakenews, please proceed with your analysis... Smiley.

Weapons cannot be prohibited, but legislation needs to be tightened somehow. Although, any crazy can pretend to be normal. But I feel much calmer when I have a gun.
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You've now thoroughly descended into madness. There's no point in attempting to converse with you any further.

Be that as it may, if that Walmart still had their gun counter and ammo for sale, a dozen customers could have, and would have, gone after the shooter.

And why were they taken out? Wasn't it because of pressure from the PC crowd?

if you believe that pedogate is fakenews, please proceed with your analysis... Smiley.

Weapons cannot be prohibited, but legislation needs to be tightened somehow. Although, any crazy can pretend to be normal. But I feel much calmer when I have a gun.

how to legislate against jewish supremacists when they own the printing press itself? that's the real question... and with the printing press they can buy the courts, the legislators, everything... to the point of making their childraping operation legit... I mean, don't you see... are you that heartless? are all people you know like you?

I am not heartless. It's not like that at all.
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Except your little website is akin to saying "People who have pools are more likely to drown." or "People who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident." It is not a legitimate metric.

Of course people who have pools are more likely to drown. Of course people who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident. Of course its a legitimate metric. That kind of the whole point: more guns = more gun deaths.

Except the problem with your logic is that all you are doing is shifting the crime to being done using another device. Guns don't make people murder. It is not a legitimate metric because you were claiming a correlation between "leniency in gun laws" whatever the fuck that means with gun deaths. First of all anyone familiar with scientific method can tell you correlation does not automatically equal causation. A lot of people who happen to be criminals are shot while engaged in criminal activity, by your metric all of those people are implied victims of gun crime. Again, this includes police use, defensive use, and suicides. Are you suggesting police should be disarmed along with the general public, and that people intent on suicide will not find another way? So everyone gets their rights stripped because some people are intent to hurting themselves? Another issue with your supposed logic is you totally ignore the lives saved by defensive and legal use of firearms. Of course this doesn't fit your belief system so that doesn't count does it? Nope, chock those all up to "gun deaths", and mark guns as the problem, not the criminals.

Also, you will notice it is "gun deaths", another slick little trick anti-rights pushers try to use to lump in all defensive use, suicides, etc into statistics to inflate them.

Any death caused by a gun is still a death.

Except you don't get to claim all defensive uses of firearms and intentional self harm are caused by firearm ownership. It is like saying obesity is caused by food, so we need food control laws because people might hurt themselves eating too much. People have a right to defend themselves, and that self defense by your metric gets added on to "gun deaths" when they are in fact proof of the protection gun ownership offers. Your metric is completely intellectually dishonest and deceptive.


All of the states with the most strict gun control laws have the biggest problems with firearm homicides.

Not true. If you honestly believed this, you'd provide some kind of a source. Though I'd prefer if it wasn't ZeroHedge or the NRA.

Yes, lets look at some sources:



https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

https://mises.org/wire/few-gun-laws-new-hampshire-safer-canada

https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/


Six minutes is a long time. Of course you haven't read it anywhere. You only consume pasteurized and opinion piece media that filters your reality for you so you never have to experience any mild form of cognitive dissonance by being forced to consider ideas that conflict with your beliefs. It doesn't fit the "guns are bad" narrative so of course it is not being reported.

The soldier moved children out of the way. His gun had nothing to do with "slowing the shooter down." He didn't draw it, he wasn't even seen by the shooter. I first read that story 2 days ago so save your projection fantasies for another time.

So removing potential victims from the scene does not potentially reduce the rate at which he can take victims, effectively slowing him down? If you watched the statement video he made, you would know he did in fact draw his weapon. What other assumptions based on zero information are you making? If you read the story two days ago why is it you are pretending it never happened?

Firearms aren't designed to cause mass casualties any more than a lighter is designed to burn down mass amounts of buildings. It is a tool, and it does what the person behind it makes it do.

Thats a ridiculous comparison. AK-47s are designed to inflict mass human casualties.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-13/ak-47-rifle-inventor-mikhail-kalashnikov-regrets-creating-weapon/5198396

Not at all. A firearm can be used to protect life as much as it can be used to take life. You just ignore the part that protects life and in your fantasy world that never happens, and if it did fuck those people who would have otherwise been victims right? The very first sentence of your link has problems.

"The man who invented the iconic AK-47 automatic rifle wrote of his regret at creating the weapon. "

If you knew anything about firearms, you would know the AK-47 is an AUTOMATIC rifle, a type of rifle which is VERY heavily restricted and expensive to obtain in the USA. Of course you know jack shit about firearms, but are still willing to strip people's rights over your ignorant assumptions based on movies and sensationalized media. I am sure your death bed regrets of a weapon designer are all the proof you need that is was "designed to inflict mass human casualties", even though almost no one in the US owns any of these weapons.


This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

One of the big things that people who are really for gun rights in the US say is that while these mass shootings are horrible, they're not the majority of crime in the US -- they're probably only around 1 percent of all crime in the US.

There also has been no tried and true way to even eliminate these mass shootings -- as researches have concluded that the only possible solution would be to ban 'assault rifles' and all that does is lower the death-count during these tragedies. If people are to admit that lowering the deathcount is an OKAY conclusion, then that's fine -- but don't expect these shootings to go away.

It's a very tough topic on both sides here, as OBVIOUSLY neither side wants people to die -- but one side doesn't think they should have to give up their firearms due to crazy people abusing freedoms to kill people -- and the other side feels the only solution is to limit the availability of these guns to regular everyday Americans.

It's a very tough issue in the US and it's not something that can be solved by another countries model. Because as these shootings are so rare, it's even hard to find solutions statistical speaking.

This is the most well-reasoned response here so far, and really there's not much more to be said. The only thing I would add is that assault rifles should definitely be banned outright.

The only thing you would add is "Fuck everyone who doesn't want their rights taken so they can be made victims, black rifles are scary and need to be banned so my irrational fears can be assuaged." You are only taking the rights of other people after all, no skin off your back. It is much easier that way isn't it?


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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

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August 07, 2019, 05:03:58 AM
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Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm from a country in which guns and weapons are strictly controlled by the government. There were many times I was disappointed on my government because they control and restrict us on so many things but seeing news or articles like this, I know that they're right at some point. Also, I feel really sorry for those people who were killed and their relatives. America is not Pakistan or some other Islamic countries, these gun massacres are tarnishing its image as a place of freedom, peace and democracy.

You forget the fact that if everyone in the store was open carrying - some of them with assault rifles - this joker would have been too scared to do what he did. Nobody would have died.

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August 07, 2019, 05:31:29 AM
Last edit: August 07, 2019, 07:37:33 AM by TECSHARE
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

AK-47s are assault rifles. Semi-automatic weapons are not. It is possible as much as defending yourself with a pointy stick is. Not optimally.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/owner-of-8chan-says-the-manifesto-was-not-uploaded-by-the-el-paso-walmart-shooter/


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August 07, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

With a possible tactical disadvantage, yes they can.

But this will not get you where you think you want to get to, not in the least.

"Semi-automatic" is a mechanism that replaces the revolving cylinder, and the long tube containing bullets.

"Assault rifle" really is a phrase that's related to appearance, not function. The primary battle rifles of WW1 and WW2 look like "hunting rifles."

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I have been on vacation during all of these shootings.  Was surprised to see TECSHARE and SPENDULUS blaming them on capitalism. 
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August 07, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
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long-winded spiel laden with smarmy quips and nothing that hasn't been said 100 times already

Well, at least your solution to the problem isn't arming everybody. Because that's fucking stupid.

I'm not for taking everybody's rights away.

As I said earlier, I am for the banning of assault rifles (which the AK-47 is) and semi-automatic weapons. I'm asking if its possible for people to be able to defend themselves without having to do it with these weapons.

You DO have part of a point, you know. A slave knows a shooter might not get him. But a dead freeman doesn't know anything.

Take the guns away, and government slavery might not get very bad. I mean, it will take government a while to turn the masses into full-time slavery. Only your grand-kids, and theirs, will have to put up with it. We won't. They'll have to do what they can do in their life.

Good thing you aren't in the majority. Free people like it the way it is... freedom... including gun freedom. Fear-slaves are just stuck. Their protection comes from the free people who honor gun freedom, but they are too fearful to even recognize it.

Stay inside your mindset. We don't want your kind with us when we need to stand up against shooters, within goverment or without. We just hope that we are trustworthy to our own freedom. We absolutely know, from your own statements, that you don't even want to be trusted to be free.

One of the things that amazes us is that you are even bold enough to speak you mind. I guess it's part of Government implanted Stockholm Syndrome.

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August 07, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
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4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings have taken place in Texas, which is known for its extremely lax gun laws.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-walmart-shooting-20-dead-26-injured-gov-greg-abbott-police-chief-greg-allen

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A gunman killed 20 people and injured 26 others Saturday after he opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, state and city officials said...

The suspected gunman has not been publicly named, but two law enforcement officials identified him to The Associated Press as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas. It was unclear what connection the suspect had to El Paso. Texas state lawmaker Jeff Leach said in a tweeted statement that the suspect graduated from Plano Senior High School in 2017...

Chief Allen said investigators were examining a manifesto that may have been written by the suspect and would indicate a “nexus to a hate crime,” but declined to offer details. The suspect will likely face capital murder charges, Allen said...

Vanessa Saenz, a witness, told Fox News that she heard several "pops" near the area and saw a man in a black shirt and cargo pants with a weapon shooting outside the building before entering the Walmart.

"He was just pointing at people and just shooting," she added. Another witness told Fox News that his mother died at the scene.

A witness told CBS News that he was about to enter the Walmart when he heard at least 10 gunshots and saw an elderly lady fall to the ground. He said he was not sure if she was shot...

Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

When I read news headlines like this one I think that there is a lot of freedom in the US.
And I don't mean freedom of exchanging ideas etc. I mean that even not adult people can buy guns and have access to a lot of illegal activities. This is the root cause in my opinion. They need stricter regulations about that.

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August 07, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
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If I were in a crowd of 100 people, and a shooter started blasting away at us, I would want the whole crowd to have, and be active with, firearms. We could protect each other from the shooter.

The only reason why there is such a push against US guns is that gun freedom in the USA is keeping the whole world free. Governments aren't going to enslave their people when they know that their people can get guns from the USA.

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August 07, 2019, 05:15:15 PM
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Why would anyone need an "assault rifle" (not an assault rifle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnbJrHcYpU


Fear and mass hysteria, just as intended.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/edge-chaos-ensues-times-square-after-crowd-mistakes-backfiring-motorcycle-mass


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Fear and mass hysteria...




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August 07, 2019, 08:06:11 PM
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How could have things gone differently if this man was armed?

http://www.stationgossip.com/2019/08/unsung-hero-took-on-el-paso-shooter.html


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We should put guns on the blockchain. Is there a company that is doing that?
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We should put guns on the blockchain. Is there a company that is doing that?

Please explain to me how this would do anything to stop gun crime in any way. While you are at it please explain to me how this list will not be used as a list of people who need to be rounded up during a gun confiscation. Just slapping the blockchain on things doesn't fix problems.


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We should put guns on the blockchain. Is there a company that is doing that?

Actually, all new guns should be installed with an app just like Siri. You can talk to the gun and have it look up stuff on the internet, put stuff on your calendar, and give you directions. It can even help you with your aim. People with soon treat their guns like their phones and never step foot outside their home without it. Also, just like Siri, it will record and transmit everything said to the proper authorities.  Cheesy
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FOX News Reports El Paso Shooting Before it Happens!  - https://www.brighteon.com/304cfc4e-1786-46c8-a0c5-9439f8819c35

https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/

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"Parents Of Parkland Shooting Victim In El Paso At Time Of Mass Shooting"
 
https://archive.is/jtwB6#selection-2865.1-2865.73


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We should put guns on the blockchain. Is there a company that is doing that?

Actually, all new guns should be installed with an app just like Siri. You can talk to the gun and have it look up stuff on the internet, put stuff on your calendar, and give you directions. It can even help you with your aim. People with soon treat their guns like their phones and never step foot outside their home without it. Also, just like Siri, it will record and transmit everything said to the proper authorities.  Cheesy

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I think that Donald Jew Trump servant or slave of the JS, chief of the main proxy, did the el paso attack !

I think that the elpaso false flag by the JS aims is among others to try to divide the europeans from the south americans...

Of course you do! Anybody else have any overbearingly obvious opinions they want to give? In 4.5 pages of comments there's about 3 original thoughts.

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^^^ Would rather have people's bodies stop the bullets than letting the fear put into the shooter by loads of armed citizens make the shooter pull his finger off the trigger and run away.

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New Texas shooting, this time in Odessa / Midland (west Texas):

https://www.foxnews.com/us/west-texas-shooting-midland-odessa-suspect-dead

24 people shot, 5 dead (so far).

Sounds completely random at this point, I'm sure more details will come to light soon.

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It seems that the only way to truly stop all this mayhem is to put forward legislation that will prevent some people from ever getting access to guns and with some people, I am talking about the mentally unstable people. Gun holders should all go through psychological evaluation before they are given the license to carry arms.

 
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It seems that the only way to truly stop all this mayhem is to put forward legislation that will prevent some people from ever getting access to guns and with some people, I am talking about the mentally unstable people. Gun holders should all go through psychological evaluation before they are given the license to carry arms.

The problem with this is that many of the experts who do the evaluations, are pro mental medicine. And we are finding that mass shootings are being done by people who have had too much mental medicine. So, who is going to judge that what the experts are saying is the right thing?

Rather, arm all adults with people in public, so that they can protect themselves from the crazy shooters.

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About the mass shooting in united state,I believe Americans are  not happy about it,the government should take tough stand on gun control has we have recently in Australia,where assulted rifles where banned and taken from people who owns one,to me the American government are not serious about it
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The NRA , in America are so influencial and political powerful,to the extent most past and present president in America do not want to offend them,due to the fact that they do  influence the American election,so most presidential candidate, especially the Republican do not want to loose there support,so  most president in America try as much as possible to avoid them.

If the NRA had any power that they were using to help the people, would have changed things so that people not only could bear arms at all times, but would bear arms at all time.

Rather, the NRA is so weak that they stumble around in the dark, barely able to maintain themselves as some kind of an organization.

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I am not an American and it always got me curious why people in your country can easily have one. I mean, I suppose you've got enough law enforcers already to keep the neighborhood safe.

In mine, it is difficult to have one. But even so, a little more than 2 years ago, there was also a mass shooting here, killing dozens. If a country with a tight regulation on guns still has a tragic mass shooting incidence, how much more in a country where ordinary people could have them?

I am into a stricter measure of assigning guns exclusively to law enforcers.

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I am not an American and it always got me curious why people in your country can easily have one. I mean, I suppose you've got enough law enforcers already to keep the neighborhood safe.

In mine, it is difficult to have one. But even so, a little more than 2 years ago, there was also a mass shooting here, killing dozens. If a country with a tight regulation on guns still has a tragic mass shooting incidence, how much more in a country where ordinary people could have them?

I am into a stricter measure of assigning guns exclusively to law enforcers.

Don't use Google only. Search with other search engines, particularly DuckDuckGo and Entireweb. The thing to search on is "police brutality." I would be searching with a USA ISP inside the USA.

A decade ago, Google showed something like 24,000,000 hits. They are filtering what they do in their searches so that they don't get as many duplicates. Now, after there are many more Web complaints about law enforcement, they show around 34,000,000 hits, even with all the filtration.

The point is, do you want a subset of society that has multi-millions of complaints against them, to be the ones who have the guns? With all due respect, to me that sounds kinda insane.

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Has anyone stopped to consider why these mass shootings are occurring now (last decade or two), when these guns ("assault rifles") have been available to the public since at least the 1960's ?

The guns are not the problem. I have quite a few that haven't hurt anyone. The real issue is morality and the ever decreasing lack of it in today's society.

When did you ever see teenagers back-talking and mouthing off to adults and cops? Certainly didnt happen when I was growing up. Now its an everyday event.

Little shits are not put in their place anymore and are given a timeout instead of a swift kick in the ass. The internet has exposed everyone to everything. No one respects fellow man anymore.

And its not going to get better.

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Time to arm all the citizens, and teach them how to use their weapons, so they can protect themselves without harming each other.

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Thanks for the tip!  Grin

From where I'm posting, police brutality and even alleged extrajudicial killings done by the same, could be considered alarming it reached the United Nations. With this, my logic tells me that if a government failed, and failed terribly, to professionalize the 170,000 men in uniform, could it become successful to instill discipline to millions of armed ordinary citizens should they allow people like me to own guns? With an annual budget of almost 2 billion USD, the government failed to instill responsible gun ownership to these people. How much more does this country need to practically educate every single ordinary citizen on responsible gun ownership?